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"You don't choose your gender, you were born with it." [+3375] (reddit.com)

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[–]less_shitty_name 69ポイント70ポイント  (22子コメント)

That is true, but not in the way they think.

Also who cares if people want to be this or that gender. Even if you sincerely believe these people are just just nuts, there isn't any real consequence to that other than your own annoyance. Learn to live and let live.

[–]JakubP123 9ポイント10ポイント  (17子コメント)

What do you mean by "not in the way they think"?

[–]less_shitty_name 34ポイント35ポイント  (16子コメント)

They think people are taught that people with either anatomy simply arbitrarily decide upon which gender they want at whatever age. Transgender people were born predisposed to a gender, it is just a matter of embracing it at a later age.

[–]DatParadox 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

While you're correct for a lot of trans persons, I'd like to provide an aside that not all trans persons really feel they were "born that way;" along with that, saying they're all predisposed for a gender makes it seem gender is part of some biologically essentialism and outside of one's enviornment. Many trans people have felt their identity is constantly evolving, and that their gender is more of a result of their lives, or even a choice, rather than being one thing forever.

This is not to say you didn't know this, bur your wording points to that idea and many onlookers may not know what I've said.

[–]hegelypuffultra-regressive ultra-leftist 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good point. I think one potentially problematic thing that shows up in mainstream discussions (of both gender and sexuality) is the huge emphasis on '[x marginalized group] didn't choose this!' Not that it isn't important to point out in cases where it's true, but it makes me ask, why do we need to emphasize that to 'absolve' people? What would be so horrible about it if trans or queer people did choose their identity? Never mind, we all probably know the answer: even sympathetic people often see these identities as inherently wrong, or at least inherently 'other'. Getting beyond the notion of identity as some lighthearted, arbitrary choice is good, because there are still a lot of folks (e.g. religious fundamentalists and the TiA crowd) who don't understand that. But there's still a ways to go after that's understood. Sometimes it's clear from their rhetoric that hetero/cisnormative assumptions are a big influence even on people who want to defend marginalized groups. Not only that, but the 'born this way' narrative is at best reductionist, like most deterministic conceptions of identity.

[–]SadfaceSquirtleSpecial snowflake/Western society's downfall 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I do agree with that. I feel we need to be less sobbing wrecks asking for mercy from cis people and more Cave Johnson.

[–]Mistling 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for mentioning this! I was thinking the same thing.

[–]JakubP123 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

But isn't that exactly the same meaning behind what he said? You don't choose your gender, your predisposed to one

[–]less_shitty_name 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I strongly suspect that the /r/worldnews people are trying to say gender and sex have a 1:1 correlation.

[–]CleverKnapkins -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try to see the best in people, not the worst.

[–]Mellowed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

as if it even matters whether you were "born this way"

it really makes no difference to me if someone was born gay or became gay later in life.

[–]marlax1g -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really, though. One is not born gendered, one has to actively constitute themselves as that gender. After all, one's genitals and gonads don't necessarily cause whether one lives as one gendered being or another. Gender does not exist in a(n imaginary) pre-social context; it only has meaning when individuals are placed into a specific social context and actively assign gender for a practical purpose -- i.e. the constitution and reproduction of the patriarchy. This doesn't mean that it's an individual choice either (but even if it was, we would not abandon our goal of LGBT liberation, etc.), as our choices are limited by the contours in which we are immersed, but, in the final analysis, the masters of whether or not 'gender' has meaning are those who GIVE it meaning, and hence we can overcome it.

[–]SadfaceSquirtleSpecial snowflake/Western society's downfall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you trying to say that I should do as a trans woman?

[–]odoroustobacco 47ポイント48ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree with this sentiment but then I realized it wasn't said in context of supporting trans people :(

[–][deleted] 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea :( i had that same reaction. It's so disgusting, every.single.day reddit feels the need to shit on trans people for no reason. Completely in ignorance. It's so disheartening I honestly think i am done with this stupid bigoted piece of shit site. It's almost an act of masochism to remain. Its not healthy for me.
Thank you all for being the one bastion of sanity in this dumpster fire. Goodbye <3

[–]Ineedrealanswers 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah you have to watch out for those kind of conments on reddit.

[–]Niffle7 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

It isn't?

[–]Mistling 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it were, it wouldn't be very good SRS fodder. Nobody in that hellhole of a thread has a positive view of trans people.

[–]uniqueguy263 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except the reply that shows up immediately below the post linked.

[–]Mistling 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol that's true, but I read a lot of the thread and I don't think my hyperbole was severe. The thread is chock full of bigotry and the lazy misconceptions that foster it.

[–]LookingToLoseItAll 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It kinda was from what I'm understanding, but he's still kinda wrong...

[–]Babba2theLabba -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, as I was reading I saw a lot of stuff in that thread that I can only halfway agree with, but can't fully get behind at all.

[–]almondbutterbutt 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's...

Transphobia!

[–]Ash-M 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Why can't you just treat it with therapy and drugs?"

Ugh, that's what we do, we go to therapy largely to deal with shitty people and the drugs are called hormones.

[–]Inquilinus 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

This whole thread needs an effort post, but my blood pressure wouldn't be able to take it. Reddit is truly filled with awful, vile people.

[–]snarkyxanf 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

So much obtuse concern trolling in that thread ("but how can someone know what it feels like to be an XYZ if they aren't") that I'm wondering when it'll be time to tell them we've been dumbing the explanation down for them. Also, hey, the upside of spiro is it cancels out the rage blood pressure spike a bit.

[–]TheMatrixShibeOffended way too easily[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll (potentially, based on my procrastination) make an effort post.

[–]genderish 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

This might be the thread that finally makes me quit Reddit. I couldn't even make it three comments in. Like, the bot post, followed by two guilded highly.upvoted ignorant comments. I can't handle this sites bullshit anymore.

[–]Megalonyxno time for understanding science only time for shitposting 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Block most subreddits, only go on a few good ones or very filtered /r/all. That's at least how I've come to use it, it truly being a hellhole otherwise. Unfortunately I left /r/worldnews unblocked because, you know, I thought normally most things that would make it to /r/all from there would be fucking news, like drastic situations.

Nope, just the Pope is Catholic and Reddit is uneducated af. Thanks, I'd never heard that. Much news, huh.

[–]genderish 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately I thing this sub might be a place I need to leave, it exposes me to too much of the shit. :(

[–]Megalonyxno time for understanding science only time for shitposting 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, yeah I rarely go on here anymore as well. Only did for this one because I actually saw the post first and how awful the comments were, and at least knew there'd be others here being like holy shit reddit.

[–]kyousaya4life"AYYYYYY LMAO" -/u/yishan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread is such a dumpster fire

He's right. Kids very rarely think rationally. That's a big life choice.

I swear, it's like they think the way gender works is one day a man gets bored and gets his dick cut off and is thereafter a woman. What the fuck kind of "life choice" is having a basic understanding of gender as a concept and awareness of one's own gender identity?

[–]Mistling 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Welp, that thread was the final straw. It's time. I'm calling up Judith Butler, Jason Momoa, and my cats right now and we're all blasting off into space in my rad starship, Full Transsexualism. Farewell, cis hell orb. I would say it's been fun, but it really, really hasn't.

[–]TheMatrixShibeOffended way too easily[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can I come too?

Don't have a starship.

[–]Mistling 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, for sure. Bring your cats.

[–]TheMatrixShibeOffended way too easily[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yay, I can bring my cats.

Thanks.

[–]WARREN_2020 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of the top comments on that thread are horrifying. Like "I only let my son wear feminine clothes at home and some subtly feminine clothes in public." Maybe one day people will actually stop assigning gender to objects.

[–]Potatoandfries 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or even assigning objects as genders.

[–]SRScreenshotwow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You don't choose your gender, you were born with it." [+3375]

At 2016-08-02 22:14:50 UTC, i-d-even-k- replied to "Pope: It's 'terrible' kids taught they can choose gender" [+3605 points: +3605, -0]:

You don't choose your gender. You're born with it.

Pope's right on this one.

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[–]ArchchancellorExtruded Plastic Dingus 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA: I can't science.

[–]ChairmanReagan 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

Has anyone on reddit ever taken Sociology 101? Damn, there is a difference between biological sex and socially constructed gender.

[–]fuck_cis_shit 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

biological sex and socially constructed gender.

boo, hiss

[–]iamtheconsolemasterr 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hisssssss. Evil sjw pseudo science. Whats next communism in an economics class.

[–]RAGING_VEGETARIAN"Run the BRD" is the answer. Your question: "What's poppin'?" 👉👊 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

wait is this sub an actual communism

[–]iamtheconsolemasterr 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya we murder about a bagillion people a year.

[–]Megaman03Transcendental Queermunist 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is in fact three whole communisms and every fortnight we burn a copy of capitalist literature to appease our demigod, Karl Marx.

Then we stab each other whilst screaming to appease our true Mother Goddess, Discourse.

[–]PM_ME_SALTY_TEARSSodomites, Jews, Witches, also called Social Justice Warriors 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess.

[–]Megaman03Transcendental Queermunist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Braise be

[–]poblackrnsheep 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know I am.

[–]Megalonyxno time for understanding science only time for shitposting 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to the thread only adults get a gender, and puberty blockers are the devil. Trans kids crying themselves to sleep as they hit puberty and having side effects of gender dysphoria for their entire childhood? Nah, it's just adolescence, that's how it is. They don't need appropriate medical care, it will work itself out.

Aka they don't give a shit how many trans kids and future adults they save from the shit so many who didn't have puberty blockers but needed them are suffering through. They only care that some poor cis kid might think they're trans but end up not being.

It's just another post with individuals citing misquoted studies, misunderstood explanations of how things work, and basically it's a mistake of a post.

... man as someone who hit puberty at like 8 or 9, was on puberty blockers (far too late to help much as a trans person sadly) for a bit to slow growth plates from fusing with me super short, those fuckers don't understand shit. They act like blockers are some new witchcraft. Having bad gender dysphoria but not knowing what it is all my childhood basically meant I didn't have one, just an endless period of assuming I'd kill myself before X point in life. Now idk how people have life goals, I was surprised I lived until I graduated high school, and somewhat at college.

Basically just salty af for all these shit heads whose kid could be dealing with the same stuff I did and yet they deny them medical care, especially now that even those ignorant fucks know trans people exist vs 15 years ago.

[–]imogenbeeton 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Daily reminder sex is a social construction too and sex forms a continuum not a binary.

[–]danthI'm your cuckleberry 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I've figured out the STEMLogick on this:

  • All that matters to redditors is their own experience
  • Since a redditor can see someone's physical body but can't experience someone else's thoughts and emotions (requires empathy), only the body's gender is real
  • If the body's gender doesn't match the brain's, then the brain is wrong because the body determines gender, instead of the other way around
  • The trans person's responsibility is to make the redditor comfortable, since the redditor's feelz > the trans person's realz, and the trans person should change their brain's gender instead of following all the science and changing their body's gender.

Disclaimer - I am not a trans person or an expert so please let me know what I've gotten wrong SRSters.

[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

Empathy can't be sold or fucked, so whites have no use for it.

[–]Mistling 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably more specifically cis people, in this case. (Although most of the bigots in that thread are probably white too.)

[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh sure, but I'm putting it into language the whites of Reddit can understand.

[–]Mistling 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure saying "whites don't have empathy" means the same thing as "cis people don't have empathy" though? Like, those sound like two different statements to me. The first one seems like it would be more relevant to a thread where we were discussing redditors' huge racism problem, whereas this is a thread where we're discussing redditors' huge transmisogyny problem. The two overlap, but they're not synonymous.

[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of them run screaming from the word "cis." I'm trying to word it in a way that their neckbeardy little minds can grasp.

I only stopped workshopping that bit a few days ago.

[–]spliffthespaceman 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you think empathy can't be fucked, you're obviously not trying hard enough.

[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't understand empathy enough to make that connection.

[–]lalliesaurus 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA missing the entire goddamn point.

That entire thread is just trash. So many people who haven't even done a modicum of research into the topics they think they have the authority to make these huge overarching generalizations about.

[–]climbandmaintain 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I shouldn't have looked at the comments. I shouldn't have. :(

Note that this comment was also fucking gilded. BRD

[–]papaya255hater of frozen peaches 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

For a site so obsessed with calling religion something that 'holds back science and social progress', you'd think they'd apply that here too.

[–]kyousaya4life"AYYYYYY LMAO" -/u/yishan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't care about science, they care about feeling superior. Whether it's "stupid Christians, there's no magic sky fairy!" or "stupid SJWS, there are only two genders!", all they care about is believing that they're smarter than everyone around them except each other. Occasionally they happen to be correct, but whether they're correct or not on any particular point doesn't matter to them as long as they can maintain their belief that they're correct.

[–]Megalonyxno time for understanding science only time for shitposting 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't give a shit about science. They quote debunked studies, misinterpreted conclusions, and basically even when stats come forth that aren't anti-trans they say it's not right because they don't believe in it.

[–]snowshoeBBQ 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe I'm naive, but wasn't this user supporting trans rights by essentially saying , "correct, you can't choose you're gender because you're born as what you believe you are?"

[–]TheMatrixShibeOffended way too easily[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm also pretty eh on the subject, but I'm pretty sure le trans logic maymay is that gender firmly is sex (so penis is male, vagina is female). Apparently being trans is a choice to them and it's violating their feelings.

[–]snowshoeBBQ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the clarification

[–]ConBrio93 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What gets me is that one of the top posts (4000k+ karma, gilded) is talking about how gender is a post-puberty identity. Lol. So little boys who don't want little girls to touch them because of cooties don't actually think of themselves as boys? Boys preferring to play with boy toys and not "girly dolls" are outliers?

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    [–]TheMatrixShibeOffended way too easily[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm ok with this. Why are you all such insufferable liberals?

    Welcome to SRS land, exits are here, here and here.

    Also I'm not a liberal.

    [–]SmuttsI'll call you on your shit - please call me on mine 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    MFW liberals call me liberal but I just want fully automated luxury gay space communism

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