Alpha Game

Corpus Mentis said...

Needs to be said and shouted from the rooftops. Young women are listless today because of the myriad options and cultural brainwashing happening. If you take the initiative things will rebalance. Meanwhile, the singletons can fight over the minutae of gender pronouns til their hearts bleed out. Having said that, wouldn't those heart plugs from Dune be a great thing to have? Fit them to societal enemies 😅

August 2, 2016 at 4:19 AM

Shimshon said...

I wonder if the individuals who urged the self-admitted Gamma a few posts back to divorce his wife, based solely on a few written words which may not be well-chosen fall into either category. Talk about defeatist.

August 2, 2016 at 5:00 AM

Crowhill said...

You're mostly right. As the song says, "Love's a risk, but it's worth taking." And a lot of the "manosphere" advice sounds very unmanly -- running away from conflict rather than facing it.

I married a woman who is half-Asian, so I can't endorse the "marry a white woman" part of your advice.

August 2, 2016 at 5:04 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

I can endorse that advice wholeheartedly. They give you little white babies, and you can name them after warriors, bad asses and heroes, you can pass down guns to them, teach them who they are and where they came from etc.

August 2, 2016 at 5:45 AM

LeetSoga said...

Women are easy to red pill, moreso when the woman is attracted to you.

Simply be strong and confident, and she will hang onto your every word. Especially when such words deal with the harsh reality that our civilization is at the brink.

August 2, 2016 at 5:47 AM

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Don't take unnecessary risks, such as marriage. Be prudent. Put yourself above all. Take your own side first. Don't drop out. Life is beautiful.

August 2, 2016 at 5:56 AM

j-dub said...

I could not disagree more with this argument. Not because it has no merit. As a lifelong MGTOW type, it actually speaks to me. I disagree because mathematically there are not enough white women out there that are remotely close to marriage material. So I make the analogy that what your asking is for us to turn a pig into a princess=take a twat and turn her into something that resembles a lady. I can admit your argument speaks to me, but can you admit that we would need to crank up the flab, tattoo, and piercing removal apparatuses to full blast before any of your suggested work can be done?

August 2, 2016 at 6:17 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

There are tens of millions of women out there, Jdub. Millions upon millions of white women. Where do you find them? In churches run by men.

August 2, 2016 at 6:23 AM

Verne said...

Fatalism is part and parcel of MGTOW. Simon & Garfunkel's "I Am A Rock" is their theme song.

Grow a set of balls and live life. Yes a woman, a family is part of a good life. Avoid those things and your line is extinct.

August 2, 2016 at 6:37 AM

Rex Little said...

As alluded by Crowhill, does it have to be a white woman? Seems to me that a black, Asian or mixed-race woman who's culturally Western, young, and not infected with feminism would be a better choice than a white woman who's none of those. Granted, a non-white who fits that description isn't easy to find, but there are some out there.

August 2, 2016 at 6:40 AM

IrishFarmer said...

I'm married with two kids. I've done one night stands and casual relationships. I prefer marriage and kids. Its not for the faint of heart though. Or at least the first two or three years weren't.

August 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM

Scott6584 said...

Well Said!

August 2, 2016 at 7:13 AM

Durandel Almiras said...

Amen Vox. The Dread Ilk/VFM will grow by one white baby within the next 24hrs. The first of four, if my wife can handle it.

August 2, 2016 at 7:17 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

My wife also wants me to bless her with one more man child.

August 2, 2016 at 7:27 AM

praetorian said...

Amen.

Strategies to help young men find that woman are useful. Here's one: in your science classes (or equivalent), look for the somewhat quiet and mousey girl that people ignore. You may be surprised how attractive she becomes over time, if she doesn't fall into feminism.

August 2, 2016 at 7:46 AM

praetorian said...

The first of four, if my wife can handle it.

Congrats and DEUS VULT!

August 2, 2016 at 7:47 AM

Gordon said...

@praetorian: the mousey sciencey type I have a friend who went for that, although his wife is more Spacebunny than mousey.

Seven pretty daughters, modest and capable. They can deal with problem goats and cook good food. They con verse with adults in a manner respectful and charming.

If you're single and Catholic....

August 2, 2016 at 8:12 AM

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August 2, 2016 at 8:12 AM

Gordon said...

@Irishfarmer: You're right, marriage and kids are not for the faint of heart. But Red Pill dating is good training for the challenge, I think. I wish I had had it, 30 years ago.

August 2, 2016 at 8:17 AM

Happy Housewife said...

@Rex mixed race children tend to look like the darker of the two parents. I think he recommends white women for white men for maximum genetic heritage.

August 2, 2016 at 8:32 AM

liberranter said...

There are tens of millions of women out there, Jdub. Millions upon millions of white women. Where do you find them? In churches run by men.

That statement telks me that you obviously haven't visited any churches lately. Sure, most churches have men as figureheads, but let these figureheads say or do anything that runs counter to the FI and you will instantly witness who is really in charge.

Sure, there are "millions" of white women out there, but, again, how many of them are marriageable? The answer to that question is evidenced by the fact that blogs like this one exist in the first place and that Vox has to put out an entreaty begging white guys to do what they did naturally and as a matter of course throughout human history up until this point.

One doesn't have to be MGTOW to see that j-dub has a point.

August 2, 2016 at 8:38 AM

Josh said...

Don't take unnecessary risks, such as marriage. Be prudent. Put yourself above all. Take your own side first. Don't drop out. Life is beautiful.

How many white babies have you sired?

August 2, 2016 at 8:49 AM

Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 said...

I'm going to disagree on this one as I've been through the divorce ringer - you haven't. Being a higher man on the totem pole what is mere minor risk to you is suicide for many, rather like dropping a paralyzed man into a tiger cage and expecting him to do as well as a highly skilled gladiator. For the non natural alpha/sigma high beta finding a "good" woman is highly unlikely in America. And if you do settle for that alpha widow/carousel rider practicing game isn't a silver bullet either. The divorce rape machine which is very much in high gear and statistically likely will be knocking in short order. Living in a van down by the river or spending significant time in prison either for missing child support payments is helping the west? It sounds like more grist for the mill. Yes yes I know I am being a negative nellie but for once I'd love to see some real concrete advice that doesn't blindly ignore the current better than 1/2 chance of getting ritually sacrificed on the family court machine when Prager and now this blog tells men to run out and throw themselves on this particular sword. I think that you are unable to adequately see the situation on the ground as your marriage is good *AND* you live in another country (that is one HELL of a bonus). But telling men to wife up the slut so long as she's white is terrible advice - you want to make *more* divorces? More male suicides from getting creamed in the American family courts? Under the present legal regime that is what's going to happen and moreover you've written about it before so I'm genuinely confused at the change of heart.

August 2, 2016 at 8:51 AM

Josh said...

Amen Vox. The Dread Ilk/VFM will grow by one white baby within the next 24hrs. The first of four, if my wife can handle it.

Congrats!

Make Babies Great Again.

August 2, 2016 at 8:53 AM

Josh said...

But telling men to wife up the slut so long as she's white is terrible advice - you want to make *more* divorces?

You're projecting. Vox said "man up and get married." He did not say "man up and marry those sluts." The original post doesn't contain the word slut at all.

August 2, 2016 at 8:55 AM

tweell said...

Congratulations, Durandel!

I've had my oldest granddaughter living with me in preparation for college. She's doing much better than when I rescued her. The blue hair color has faded away, she's lost some weight, and she'll be seeing the dentist again soon. Smart (full scholarship to the local university), blonde, blue-eyed, 5'10", virgin and staying that way to marriage.

My oldest daughter has screwed up her life, but at least she makes an excellent example of what not to do. Now to get her son away as well...

August 2, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Josh said...

I've had my oldest granddaughter living with me in preparation for college. She's doing much better than when I rescued her. The blue hair color has faded away, she's lost some weight, and she'll be seeing the dentist again soon. Smart (full scholarship to the local university), blonde, blue-eyed, 5'10", virgin and staying that way to marriage.

Does her college have a local RUF chapter?

August 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

Well Liberranter, let's see. I was just sitting in church Sunday listening to my pastor expound on the glory of God, His Grace towards us and his unfailing love, stability and sure foundation through life's storms. As I surveyed the congregation, I noted with satisfaction the motherlode of little girls with good lookin mamas that my three sons will he able to choose a wife from.

Life looks good from where I'm sitting. Plus my little guy loves to cuddle in the morning while he's drinking his raw cow milk.

August 2, 2016 at 8:59 AM

tz said...

There are plenty of marriageable white women. They aren't in the big cities, maybe except for Salt Lake City and a few others. You have to go where they are. Flyover country. Less urban areas. Here I often see families with at least 3 kids, 5 is supposedly the average for the state. Internet can be had everywhere, no crime, low cost of living.

MGTOW is a misnomer because they aren't "going" anywhere. They are sitting still and waiting for things to be better. Seattle isn't going to be as dry as Phoenix. Ever.

Immigrants are at least willing to move, a greater wrenching and for far less. If your city is sharia feminist latin American, don't expect to find more than carp and carping.

August 2, 2016 at 9:01 AM

Josh said...

Sure, there are "millions" of white women out there, but, again, how many of them are marriageable?

Hundreds of thousands

August 2, 2016 at 9:01 AM

Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 said...

Josh said: "You're projecting. Vox said "man up and get married." He did not say "man up and marry those sluts." The original post doesn't contain the word slut at all."

Fair play - although you misread my intention. We're assuming the men in question can properly identify and/or not make excuses for a slut when found. Selection problem. Also America isn't exactly a chaste nation of nuns - good luck finding a large population that isn't slutting around. Population problem.

August 2, 2016 at 9:03 AM

James said...

There is courage to take risks and then there is foolhardiness. The liberalism that destroyed men and empowered women must be destroyed first, and then men with functioning brains will again see fit to take the normal risks of marriage and family. Think of it in terms of Marginal Economics. A core population of men will continue to get married and have kids, but, at the Margins, a growing number of men will say, with all reasonableness, "Eff that." I say again, liberalism must be destroyed first or all our efforts to rebuild marriage and families will be worthless. The problem is not men refusing to reproduce, the problem is liberals making it a stupid and dangerous thing to do to even attempt to reproduce.

August 2, 2016 at 9:08 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

James,

Nothing will destroy liberalism faster than men raised in the nurture and admonition of The Lord. I'm putting three of them into play, maybe a fourth. Men determine culture, or not, in the case of the typical MGTOW. You want culture to change our way? MAKE IT HAPPEN. Josh and I tell you people regularly where to find good women, but people like you refuse to listen, because that would mean you then have to act.

Get up and fight, or crawl off and die.

August 2, 2016 at 9:13 AM

Josh said...

I say again, liberalism must be destroyed first or all our efforts to rebuild marriage and families will be worthless.

What's your plan for destroying liberalism?

August 2, 2016 at 9:18 AM

pdwalker said...

It's nice to have a touch of optimism for a change.

It's completely changed how I raise my kids.

August 2, 2016 at 9:18 AM

tz said...

It isn't just finding a wife, you are marrying into a family. If your prospective wife is from a family that is itself stable and hates divorce and you will have siblings-in-law all pushing Christendom, there will be little risk as the family would disown her for even thinking about a frivorce. This will have its own problems, but it is easier to marry into Christendom than hoping your used fixer-upper won't break down (See the earlier: "The importance of N").

This is another subtle problem with leftism/feminism and even libertarianism. They try to convince you to be on your own, independent and isolated. Mainly women, but men too - don't help other men, don't think about your family. No. A marriage is between families, tribes. At least it was. Now the parents are spending the kids inheritance. The kids are on their own. Brothers and sisters are few and remote. Part of the restoration will be the restoration of close families.

August 2, 2016 at 9:19 AM

Josh said...

To counter the lie that THERE ARE NO WHITE WOMEN ANYWHERE THAT ARE MARRIAGE MATERIAL, my brothers are in their mid twenties, both of them are married, and about thirty of their college friends are also married (if not more). Around a quarter of those friends have started having babies.

August 2, 2016 at 9:21 AM

dc.sunsets said...

Instead of devoting time and effort to MGTOW & PUA, maybe more discussion of how to identify a marriageable woman is called for.

The men I know whose marriages were torpedoed by wifey were blind. In one case he could only see her looks while ignoring that she jumped into his bed the night he picked her up at a bar, and the weird, unnatural relationship she had with her mother and the obvious pathology of her parents' marriage. That girl was observably batshit crazy within 10 minutes of study.

I don't know how to help man who proves incapable of helping himself.

I do know that I set up my finances so that upon my and my wife's death our remaining wealth is walled off from divorcing spouses. Trust...but verify.

August 2, 2016 at 9:23 AM

dc.sunsets said...

Any divorced spouse of a kid or grandkid, that is.

August 2, 2016 at 9:24 AM

Josh said...

Instead of devoting time and effort to MGTOW & PUA, maybe more discussion of how to identify a marriageable woman is called for.

Is she pretty, feminine, and not bitchy? That's a pretty good way to start.

August 2, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Guitar Man said...

This morning I listened to the Tom Woods podcast with Vox regarding SJWAL. In it he mentioned that there is no point in trying to convert SJWs. So I wonder if we're coming to that same conclusion with MGTOW types. Are we wasting time on MGTOWs?

August 2, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Josh said...

Are we wasting time on MGTOWs?

Yes

August 2, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

DC,

Josh and I have told commenters here several times where to find marriageable women. Maybe we should get Vox to do a post containing a list of where to find them.

We will see what the whiners will find to whine about then.

August 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM

Josh said...

The point isn't to convert the MGTOW, it's to convert the audience on the sidelines.

August 2, 2016 at 9:27 AM

tz said...

Liberalism is a culture of death and it is committing suicide. We just need to protect and shield ourselves from the collapse. Ours is a culture of life. But you need to opt out of the collapse. Like Lot leaving the plain. There are Christendom Galt's Gulches around. But you have to decide yourself to go Galt.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin moved his entire church (dropping 501c3 status) to Kalispell Montana from Florida. But that is what it took. He's free to preach now and among the like minded instead of occupied territory.

August 2, 2016 at 9:29 AM

Josh said...

TZ, are you married with children?

August 2, 2016 at 9:30 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

DC,

Josh and I have told commenters here several times where to find marriageable women. Maybe we should get Vox to do a post containing a list of where to find them.

We will see what the whiners will find to whine about then.

August 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM

tz said...

No, but working on it. My only problem is it has taken me longer to get to this place (Wyoming). I've commented before that I couldn't find anything when I was in the Seattle/Tacoma area. My age is the only negative here, so I have to be a bit more careful in my approach and selection - I'm literally looking for a woman half my age. There is no shortage of marriageable women here, if I were 15 years younger I'd be engaged already. Or if I didn't want to have a large family. But I'm active in my (Catholic) church and on the hunt. But there is also a supply of Mormon women, so I'm reading the book of Mormon at the moment.

August 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM

Josh said...

Best of luck in your search

August 2, 2016 at 10:03 AM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

Same here Tz. My dad got married when he was 42 and then had five of us. You can do it.

August 2, 2016 at 10:05 AM

Patrikbc said...

I think I can sum all the "good" advice here into two points.
1. Get married
2. Don't be a pussy

August 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM

B.J. said...

I agree with the general sentiment here, but look at this from my perspective. I am an average guy with an average income and an average girlfriend. Everything is good right now.

The average cost of a wedding is $32,000. That is a lot of money to us. Our parents can't pay that, nor should they, they have to save their money for their own future.

Meanwhile I can think of several more productive uses of $32k:

-Down payment on a house

-Invest/save for retirement

-Start my own business

-A week-long orgy of high-class booze and hookers.

With all those options how can I justify spending $32k on a four-hour party? It's nothing less than an obscene waste of money. That doesn't even include the honeymoon. That's not a 'risk,' it's a loss.

Sure, I could go cheap and cut costs. I could push it down to the $10-$15k range, but that's still too much money. Why should I pay anything for the privilege of putting a bomb-collar around my neck and handing my girlfriend the detonator?

I have a plan for financial independence but a wedding is just a giant landmine that will blow up the whole thing, with no real benefit. It's a landmine I can clearly see and avoid, so why should I step on it?

Now think of all the guys who are worse off than me, who make less money, who have fewer prospects, and whose girlfriends are crazier and more greedy. How arrogant to tell them to jump on a landmine in order to 'save' a culture which treats them like dirt all their lives.

Consider the best odds you can get in Vegas are 50/50, yet it is still a wise move not to play. Marriage is a considerably worse deal than that.

August 2, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Josh said...

I agree with the general sentiment here, but look at this from my perspective. I am an average guy with an average income and an average girlfriend. Everything is good right now.

Are y'all Christian?

Do y'all have children?

August 2, 2016 at 10:37 AM

Josh said...

Also BJ, you don't have to spend anything on a wedding.

August 2, 2016 at 10:41 AM

justaguy said...

True Alphas build. They build a family, their community, help civilization, and more. The problems are that the lure of easy women to an Alpha or a Sigma, warned extensively about in Proverbs makes it hard to understand the harm that open sexuality causes on both parties. The deluded Alpha or fake Alpha enjoys consort with the lurid, and too many Betas and below see that as something to want, not seeing the emptiness that accompanies it. (Which if the famous PUAs is still one by 35?) When those who emulate Alpha, emulate the family lifestyle, not the PUA lifestyle, then maybe society can change. The weak Beta or below who falls for a fairytale and becomes prey to a wild wife should be a warning to choose wisely.

August 2, 2016 at 10:42 AM

tz said...

But that is why I was posting that there are plenty of women, just not in deep blue areas. I can't remember finding one woman I'd consider in WA. Right now I can think of a half-dozen potentials in general, but the church picnic is next week. I've noted which women wear dresses and veils at mass, and even which were still modest. For MMV the average is around 9, and most are at least 8 in the beauty department. It is an utterly different world here. I saw few children in WA. Here, just going to the store, it is perfectly normal to see 3 or 4 children in tow - well behaved, helping carrying the purchases.

It is also a college town, but even there, it was originally a Mormon organization, so there are a few who lean left - or here left is slightly less right. Except it is toward what should be normal, it is shocking. Shockingly normal, or what you'd expect a town that has a culture of Christendom to be.

You won't find it in the big-city Babylon, but it still exists. Not merely the 7000 who have not kissed Baal, but probably millions who just quietly have rejected the pomps of the Devil and his empty promises and just continue the Christian traditions without any fanfare, continuing the chain leading back generations.

August 2, 2016 at 10:43 AM

tz said...

@Stg58 - thanks. My Father married late as well (originally divorced, a Dear John letter while he was in Europe fighting WW2). God seems to have a plan, and there's a series of providential miracles that brought me here.

August 2, 2016 at 10:52 AM

Jed Mask said...

"Take the risks. Don't give into the despair of the MGTOW or the nihilism of the PUA. Understand that both paths are the paths those seeking to destroy you, and to destroy the West, want you to take! Take the hard road, take the dangerous road, not the safe and easy way."

The men of the United States of America; especially the MEN OF FAITH need to TURN BACK TO GOD and HEAR HIS VOICE! I'm talking to the CHRISTIAN MEN here:

KJV 2 Chronicles 7:14, If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

It's up to us CHRISTIAN MEN to lead The Way as Christ would have us. It starts in PRAYER and actively REPENTING from all sin and iniquity in our individual lives and those of our households and families. Every man taking care of his own first *while* helping out his brother in need.

This will only work by the Spirit of God to effect change on a national and global scale, but it's possible if the Lord Jesus Christ Wills it before His Imminent Return.

How much are you will to sacrifice?

If you are fighting for GOD as I am, you have a reason and purpose to fight for saving souls from hellfire and showing them the Love of Christ.

Like @justaguy says: True Alphas build. They build a family, their community, help civilization, and more. The problems are that the lure of easy women to an Alpha or a Sigma, warned extensively about in Proverbs makes it hard to understand the harm that open sexuality causes on both parties. The deluded Alpha or fake Alpha enjoys consort with the lurid, and too many Betas and below see that as something to want, not seeing the emptiness that accompanies it. (Which if the famous PUAs is still one by 35?) When those who emulate Alpha, emulate the family lifestyle, not the PUA lifestyle, then maybe society can change. The weak Beta or below who falls for a fairytale and becomes prey to a wild wife should be a warning to choose wisely.
___________

People need to REPENT and CHANGE THEIR MINDSET PERSPECTIVE OF DESPAIR into HOPE because if you know God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. It's not always easy but it CAN BE DONE...

I'm just beginning to realize it. Amen.

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

August 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM

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August 2, 2016 at 12:04 PM

Bruno B. L. said...

The late Lawrence Auster never married nor had children and died a bachelor, yet no one can say he didn't fought the good fight.

You don't need to marry to fight for civilization and against the decline.

August 2, 2016 at 12:05 PM

Josh said...

How many mgtow will become an Auster?

August 2, 2016 at 12:10 PM

Scott C said...

Thank you for denouncing PUAs, Vox. They are teaching young men to be manipulative philanderers.

And Laguna Beach Fogey, you sound like a very selfish man.

August 2, 2016 at 12:10 PM

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

How many teenage boys are the next LeBron or Kobe?

August 2, 2016 at 12:18 PM

Josh said...

And Laguna Beach Fogey, you sound like a very selfish man.

He's like 12

August 2, 2016 at 12:26 PM

tz said...

There is a bigger picture. You used to have a local community, friends but especially family. You would have lots of aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, and nephews.

Elsewhere I've noted that you get a different society when you have a grandchild or two that is older than your youngest child. There is a solidarity, a continuity, a different social order. Siblings.

I benefited greatly by living a few blocks away from my Aunt and uncle who had 8 children, and my Grandparents were up the street. Most of the rest of the extended family was less than 30 minutes away, and that was after a minor disaspora - originally most lived within a few miles in one neighborhood.

Currently I walk to church (makes daily Mass easy). It is different even if it is a 15 minute drive.

Now compare this to the current isolation. First was the "you shouldn't have more than two children" heresy. That makes divorce easier than if you have 5 (and "women will be saved through childbearing" is another verse that the churchians hate). You can't form your own community. You can count your cousins on one hand.

Humans are social creatures. If they don't have a family, they will find people to create a community or society, but it will be warped. You can only have feminism and the hookup culture if you destroy the safety net of the family.

You get sluts (I'm not sure what else to call the carousel riders). They go in debt instead of saving, or where the woman might work while the husband is getting a good degree.

You get MGTOWs and PUAs - they want "companionship", but settle for a facade. Or end up in their Parent's basements. Blame the parents. If they had more kids, the kids would have to behave and pull their own weight. The only ones ending up dependent would have a disability, but the whole family would be there.

So both men and women are left in a barren land (pun intended), and seek whatever companionship they can. Christendom's alternative is full of life. The Grandparents transmitting their wisdom, the parents protecting, providing, nurturing, bearing, and the children respecting and learning and doing their part, along with a large extended family so that if tragedy strikes, uncles and aunts, cousins, and others will be available to help.

Molyneux notes the State substitutes for this - but in a way to create dependency. If you have a half-dozen siblings, you are secure. If you have only one you need the state.

You want liberty - you can only get it with Christendom, or something very close that is a culture of life. Where your blood relations and closest friends have enough resources to be the backstop and insurance policy. You can't even have an anarchy - as much as libertarians may want it - if amoral, uncaring, third parties have to provide the backstop at a cost.

August 2, 2016 at 12:53 PM

wisdomdistillery said...

So glad to see this post. You need to make sure your marriage stays together, but it's all worth it for the ultimate joy of raising kids

August 2, 2016 at 1:02 PM

Bruno B. L. said...

Not everybody can be a Lawrence Auster, that's true. But that's precisely my point: there is no single right way to fight the good fight.

August 2, 2016 at 1:08 PM

Zach said...

@B.J.

So don't spring for even $10k on the wedding. (Besides, traditionally the bride's family covers this.) Do it on the cheap. If your bride-to-be doesn't get that... take the hint.

peace,
Zach

August 2, 2016 at 1:27 PM

Josh said...

Not everybody can be a Lawrence Auster, that's true. But that's precisely my point: there is no single right way to fight the good fight.

People win the lottery, don't mean it's a good retirement plan.

August 2, 2016 at 1:46 PM

Patter Gritch said...

I needed to hear this today. Im getting more committed to my girlfriend and I was having those "what if" thoughts. Not a pretty place to be, just need to change my mindset.

August 2, 2016 at 2:06 PM

B.J. said...

@Zach, per your comment that the bride's family pays for the wedding--

Ignoring for the moment that I specifically pointed out her family doesn't have the means, your comment belies you are either from the upper classes of society or are ignorant of modern marriage funding. It has not been the norm for many years now for the bride's family to pay for weddings, more often both families pick and choose to contribute certain items piecemeal. I'll pay for the dinner hall rental, you pay for the food, etc. Even worse, couples are routinely taking out loans to pay for additional wedding costs.

https://www.lendingtree.com/personal-loan/getting-a-wedding-loan-summary
https://www.myweddingloans.com/
https://www.theknot.com/content/wedding-loans-personal-wedding-costs


@Josh--

If you know a way to get a half-carat diamond ring for free without using thievery, I'm all ears.

August 2, 2016 at 2:12 PM

Josh said...

If you know a way to get a half-carat diamond ring for free without using thievery, I'm all ears.

I actually have a great diamond guy

August 2, 2016 at 2:26 PM

Jourdan said...

I fought the good fight and lost. Divorce after 20 years of marriage and it was largely due to me leading from the front, being a man, which caused all of her (female) friends and family to hit her daily with the "you don't need that", "you don't want that", "you need to be independent", "you gave up your career", "are you really happy at home?" to the point where she had next to no social or family support for her once-freely given choice to be a tradwife.

It could have been worse. I ended up with 2 out of our 3 children, which is rare for a father.

But, still, I cannot in good conscience recommend to young men today to fight this fight. There is little or no social, cultural or family support for this. Yes, men need to act like men, but even the best man cannot stop the tide.

I wish it were different, but I have to call em like I see em.

August 2, 2016 at 2:59 PM

Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 said...

Josh said...
To counter the lie that THERE ARE NO WHITE WOMEN ANYWHERE THAT ARE MARRIAGE MATERIAL, my brothers are in their mid twenties, both of them are married,

And to counter this all one has to do is provide opposing anecdotal evidence. White women, who come from non-broken homes, Christian background, who have *NOT* gone to college or instead attended a bible college - take out the big 10 and any liberal Uni as this turns even the best into the worst. This is a tall order and the chance of deception is or finding a surprise video is rather high and we have lots of anecdotal stories I'm sure. Numbers aren't on your side for finding this herd of unicorns Josh.

August 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM

camillacameo said...

This will come across as a desperate plea for male attention, but the point is I'm sure there are many others like me.

I am a white virgin in my twenties, 5' 4", 130 lbs., B 36 W 28 H 42, waist-length hair, traditional Catholic, I hate SJWism and Islam, I can cook and bake real well and enjoy housecleaning. I really really long for lots of kids. My parents are still married and have been for almost forty years and my father taught me to fish, shoot, slaughter chickens and tan coon hides. I did go to college, but it was an orthodox Catholic university and I majored in theology not as a career path but simply because I wanted to know more about God. I have only once gotten romantic attention from a man. It's true I could do more to attract them I'm sure, (for example, I don't wear makeup or short skirts) and I'm getting towards thirty so I'm probably doomed to old maiddom. I do not blame men for this. (I mostly blame feminism for destroying the courtship structure.) But the point is, there are probably lots of girls like me out there! Most of my friends in college were thus! You may not notice them because they may not know how to make the most of their appearance, but they are there, and they are not going to make the first move, nor would that be womanly. Seek them out, win them, have children and save Western Civilization!

August 2, 2016 at 4:42 PM

Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 said...

Okay lets assume you are male in your 20's and you are looking for a Mrs. in... (GOD help you) America. I can certainly see the long term benefit of saving civilization but lets talk brass tacks about minimizing your risk ending up on the family court grinding wheel. This can and does happen and its as bad or worse than you think. So what to do if you wish to follow our hosts advice about saving the world?

1. Get 2nd citizenship - pursue whatever family ties it takes to do this. Our host lives in Italy and he's likely got his hands on a EU passport. This is a good idea for lots of reasons but you need an ejection seat in your fighter craft. Yes game is your suite of electronic counter measures but even the most apex-alpha of fighter jocks have that red lever just in case, so should you.

2. Foreign bank account. You need a tupence in your shoe. Do *NOT* be that guy who has everything sitting in a joint account or everything owned jointly - you will end up on the street if she decides she's not haaaaapy and you've a good chance of not getting any warning about this. Get an account out of reach in your name that the family courts can't get ahold of. Yes they'll demand you hand it all over during the process but they'll demand a lot of things and if its somewhere else they'll need your compliance to do this.

3. Make it clear what happens if she pulls the pin. "Hey if we divorce I'm not paying you a cent. I'm out on the first plane to (your new country here)". The US has no authority to take a foreign passport and if they do walk into your embassy and get another ... on the way to the airport.

The reason women drop the divorce bomb is because of the tremendous positive incentives to do so. They are sold this bill of goods and financially rewarded. Take away the money and let her chew on being a "Welfare queen" and maybe she'll think twice. If she believes however that the *only* difference between her life post divorce and pre-divorce is that she gets to decide how to spend your money without your interference then you are asking for it.

Good luck saving civilization pilot

August 2, 2016 at 5:04 PM

Jourdan said...

camillacameo - bless you, sweetheart. If I wasn't 51, you'd be getting attention from me, I can assure you of that!

August 2, 2016 at 5:05 PM

Hammerli280 said...

Camilla, some advice...

First, check your wardrobe. A flattering outfit can add significantly to attractiveness....and an unflattering one is often seen as a statement that you're off the market. The dimensions you posted indicate that a wide skirt (as opposed to a hip-hugging cut) would work well. Knee length is a perennial. Men are visual, bait the hook.

Second, go fishing...for men. Forget bars, try sporting clubs. Martial arts, shooting, fencing...I particularly like the latter as a way for meeting people.

Third, take a look at your personality. Are you approachable? If a man smiles at you, do you smile back? Men are put off by a constant scowl. Get him talking, then listen...and if he does likewise, talk. Converse. If looks are the bait, personality is the hook. Character is the line for reeling men in, but it sounds like you have that.

Fourth, don't count yourself out. The Wall is partly a product of age...but more a product of late nights, booze, and drugs. Late 20s is not one foot in the grave.

Cheer up.

August 2, 2016 at 5:20 PM

Unknown said...

``I do know that I set up my finances so that upon my and my wife's death our remaining wealth is walled off from divorcing spouses.'' dc.sunsets, could you elaborate a bit? I'd like to know more.

August 2, 2016 at 5:26 PM

Unknown said...

``The average cost of a wedding is $32,000.''

25 years ago, my wife and I spent $50 on our wedding. She refused a ring - too wastefull. If your prospective wife won't go for that, she's a poor prospect.

August 2, 2016 at 5:31 PM

camillacameo said...

Jourdan and Hammerli, thank you. I will keep that advice in mind. I've been looking for redpill advice for women on getting a husband--particularly, advice from men--and haven't found much.

August 2, 2016 at 5:38 PM

Unknown said...

Man of the West, there is only one effective way to fight for civilization, and that is to marry a white woman, have children with her

Witness the presumptive victory of the Feminine Imperative over faith in the West. God is the womb of the white woman. His throne belongs to her. Adam would be proud.

Actually, a more persuasive argument for the inevitability of the decline of the West would be hard to find.

Racialism is a weak force. Righteousness is a strong force. Over the strong force, neither the white woman nor her husbanders have any power. They have no power to save anyone (a.k.a civilization) - all the less when laboring under the delusion that they do. If
anything teaches us this, it's the degenerative ratchet that has brought the West to this point.

God is the strong force, and His will be done. Racialism is a weak force. Keep the strong and weak forces in perspective or you will find yourself on the losing side.

August 2, 2016 at 6:36 PM

thenathanielm said...

"Sure, there are "millions" of white women out there, but, again, how many of them are marriageable?"

He never said it was gonna be easy, Son. Working for civilization is gonna require making yourself better and more attractive to rate dating those desirable women. That's the gripe with MGTOWs, they want to make all sorts of excuses as to why the Can't/Won't make the effort to do that. Any effort beats obstinately refusing to even try, for fear of having to take responsibility for failure

August 2, 2016 at 7:34 PM

LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra said...

Perhaps its despair ridden, men going at things alone bodes very poorly. PUA and men going at it alone are always treated with distant compassion by me for the reason they cannot co-exist with (neither can I) feminism, its a reply to the BS and ruined relationships or ruined morale among men and women, its sad. Game theory and to some degree men finding out that going at life alone isn't working for them.

I cannot and will not date locals due to a host of problems, most of which is poisoned by rumors started by boomers that genx believes because genx and mil'lens are easily taken or impressed by stupid decadent boomers by their money - I wont abide by such nullsense. I'm stuck up that way to protect myself from frightful wrong men and keep in mind I'm the anti feminist. I dont have time for low t lady haters, low t types are ragers, scary.

No where else do men act they way they do around here, its a case study in why Game and Reality is so needed. This is why I hold compassion for PUA/men going alone in that giving up, the despair is wrong on them, some men act like they are 100 years old, they just give up. It is depressing and absurd to be around.

Anyhow, lets not give up, lets all pray and have compassion for this matter.

Thanks for all the men do.

August 2, 2016 at 8:17 PM

Deaths Head said...

----What MGTOW and PUAs have in common is that both paths are surrenders to the dyscivilizationists. Both paths are the result of literal demoralization, the MGTOW in the emotional sense, the PUA in the spiritual sense.---

WRONG! they are both paths to understanding human nature, in the old days we called that being enlightened, so those intelligent people do not keep sticking their hand in a fire after they get burned by it. Once is more than enough to convince me it's a bad idea to continue the practice.

----While the Red Pill is necessary for any Man of the West, there is only one effective way to fight for civilization, and that is to marry a white woman, have children with her, and raise those children to value and defend the West.----

Where exactly is this west you speak of? What city isn't being overrun by the third world, which companies are ignoring gender and race quotas and are English only? Do you know what happens to the average white guy who applies for a job, apparently you don't. Are you talking about the civilize protests, riots, polar bear hunting, smash and dash, and all the other crime waves hitting everywhere.... THAT CIVILIZATION??? You want me to go to war AGAIN for that???

----Does that mean taking risks? Absolutely. But so must any man who fights to defend anything. This is a long war, an intergenerational war, and the future will be won by whoever shows up for it.----

Look up risk, it doesn't mean making idiotic and foolish decisions based on a delusional fantasy. Where is the incentive, what is the payoff, why should I die for those who despise me? The "intergenerational war" you want to fight is over, WE LOST and there is no reset button, just like rome 1000 years ago, the fight is over and you can thank all those women you want everyone to wife up for it.

-----Take the risks. Don't give into the despair of the MGTOW or the nihilism of the PUA. Understand that both paths are the paths those seeking to destroy you, and to destroy the West, want you to take! Take the hard road, take the dangerous road, not the safe and easy way.-----

LMAO... I already took the hard road, I did the dangerous, I ignored safety and my reward was females who deride and condemn me. Media that insults me daily, and a government that sold me out to please women who wanted a free ride for their brood of thug spawn.

No thanks, you can keep your "western society" and "die for her matriarchy" because I sure wont risk what I've built up so some psychotic jackal can sit around and sneer with a coven of harpies at the sock hop while she looks for 3rd world reject.

Nope... not a chance, not going to happen, she can burn with her precious feminism and equality.

August 2, 2016 at 9:57 PM

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