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Vitalik Buterin: Casper PoC3 backbone simulations: 3s block time, 1.25s avg latency + 2s avg clock offset: 1% stale rate (twitter.com)

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[–]NewToETH 64ポイント65ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exciting times. This is what really matters.

[–]TheHeavyRocksteady 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Completely this.

[–]bitp -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course this is what really matters. Why do you even have to say it? Are you saying what people think matters, doesn't actually matter? Lol, yea the declining price and confidence in the foundation's ability to make this chain survive doesn't matter.

[–]xdacoolinvestorx 41ポイント42ポイント  (75子コメント)

Any update from the ETHC dev team on how their simulations are going?

[–]Sharden 54ポイント55ポイント  (68子コメント)

Don't worry they have their copy and paste fingers primed and ready for action.

[–]BruLee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahaha, good one dude

[–]Gunni2000 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Is there a way to make future developments incompatible with ETC?

[–]svlad 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

No. Why would you want to anyway?

[–]Ihaveinhaledalot 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why not?

[–]TheHeavyRocksteady 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would require making Ethereum closed source. That is not a viable option for any serious coin.

[–]openbit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Waste of time?

[–]DavidDann437 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's open source... ETC is basically production Ethereum 1.0 it can be upgraded to suit its clients.

[–]SammieData 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This goes against the very motto of The Ethereum Foundation, they're not out to stifle competition.

[–]TheHeavyRocksteady 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a way to shoot yourself in the foot?

Yes there certainly is. Thankfully devs and the community have some perspective

[–]SalletFriend 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why cave in another core Ethereum value when this argument is over other value?

By the time you fork for every crime, prevent theft, close source the code you wont have a viable crypto any longer.

I don't think the product you are looking for is Ethereum, I think it is Windows 10.

[–]Gunni2000 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

a.) Nobody said anything about forking, thats just something YOU came up with.

b.) Its not a proposal just a technical question. IF its doable THEN we could discuss if its an viable option or not. I am sure there would be arguments to be heard on both sides.

Edit: Just checked your post-history, looks like you are some ETC groupie. LOL

[–]SalletFriend 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its totally doable, but you seem to not recognise that the open source nature of the platform is another part of its core ethics. I brought up the fork because the people you are trying to exclude from access to the code, exist because in their eyes they maintain the original ethics of the platform.

tl;dr: You are proposing to prove the EthC guys completely correct by following this path.

[–]Gunni2000 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Somehow you seem to assume that its only doable while going closed source. I disagree, imo there should be ways to develop further that simply would make copy-pasting impossible.

And that would be absolutely no breach of any open-source codex as the software would still be opensource but had decided to go a certain way of development. Just leeching would be made much harder this way. You can still go and implement anything that ETH develops but not by just copy-pasting it.

Edit: Also if ETC is maintaining the original ethics of ETH and ETH is just some fuck-up. Then why copy-paste from them? I mean ETC IS then the original, it doesnt need any copy-pasting. Especially not from some bogus software-version of itself. So be consequent and start developing stuff like Casper on your own.

[–]SalletFriend 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A second fork could do this. Ethereum could go through a second hard fork to make its future updates are technically incompatible with what we currently call EthC. You could also disentangle EthC removing the Replay attack.

Of course this could leave you with a third Ethereum clone AND it would be trivial to restore those updates for EthC, they would just need to change some code rather than implement immediately.

[–]SalletFriend 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

Read up. This is the philosophy the Ethereum license is based on.

[–]Gunni2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you are basically saying that its doable without going closed source. Am i right? That would answer my initial question, because thats basically what i was asking.

A discussion about doing it or not would be a completely different animal.

[–]SalletFriend 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doable not Feasible or ideologically correct.

[–]jordaninthesky 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

PoS is an experiment ethf can try. I'm personally uncomfortable with the idea of Whales and insider traders determining how the chain is verified.

[–]Ihaveinhaledalot 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I wonder what ETC is going to do.

[–]cakes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

my vote would be to continue pow, and I believe it would get overwhelming support, especially with the miners being ejected from the ethf chain

[–]Onetallnerd -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't like open source do you?

[–]TreeOfLibrty 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crickets you say?

[–]ubermicro 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the dev team for ethc. How are the bailouts on the ethf? Looks like the DAO people manipulated the 5% of the vote as needed and cashed out. Someone send vitalik a statistics book on why voluntary polls with 8% responses aren't representative.

[–]smartbrowsering 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear its going to be copied over so probably on par with Vit's

[–]TommyEconomics -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didnt you hear? They ran this simulation first and Vitalik actually copied them.

[–]bitp -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lets hope you guys don't rush POS like you rushed the Hard Fork. I am expecting only failures from an incompetent dev team that didn't even include code to prevent replay attacks in the HF code. They knew about the attacks in advance, but chose not to fix them because of their arrogance. They were so confident that the legacy chain won't survive for long. I can't trust their foresightedness on any issue.

[–]ChinookKing 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

YEAH ETH!

[–]CrystalETH_ 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

I have absolutely no idea what that screenshot shows exactly, but it's probably very nice! :)

[–]georgeblairRedditor for 2 years with less than 100 comment karma. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exciting times!

Roughly how close is ethereum in getting a POC that is sufficient for incorporating into a serenity release? A couple more iterations? A dozen?

[–]M-alMen 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am not sure if this is good... everything that I learn from cryptocurriencie tells me that the lower the blocktime the increase of the orphan blocks Can someone please point me to some good articles explaining me how do Ethereum deals with the scalling?

[–]vbuterinJust some guy 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

The innovation here is that the algorithm is "non-competitive": there is a clear primary validator that is selected to make the next block. This greatly reduces the risk that blocks will be "in conflict" with each other; under smooth operation, there should be almost no uncles unless network latency is above a particular threshold.

[–]cosurgi 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

there are no orphans, just uncles. All previously mined blocks contribute to blockchain security, even those that mined simultaneously. You can see a plot of ETH and ETC blockchains with their duplicated uncles happening from time to time: http://fork.ethstats.net/

[–]M-alMen 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

hmmm, So the uncles work like a blocks on the next block ? And about the sacaling of the chain ? ETH uses now about 20GB discspace, this for me is huge for and 1year old blockchain... how do the Ethereum will deal with the blocksize encrease? I think there is some pruning systems workin out there, how do they work ? Can someone point me to good articles about it ?

[–]adrianclvRedditor for 2 years with less than 100 comment karma. 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I recall correctly, there are plans to do sharding with the blockchain.

[–]newretro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

More than sharding is needed to deal with bloat. See https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/issues/35

[–]liskhq -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its going to increase blockchain bloat to an astronomical level.

[–]eyecikjou567 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very Exciting.

Can't wait for first public test networks.

[–]benjaminionredditor for less than 1 month 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Does PoC mean Proof-of-Concept here?

I've heard of Proof-of-Work and Proof-of-Stake, but Proof-of-Concept sounds like a really crazy idea for a blockchain :)

[–]bullfightsonacid 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Proof of Casper' ;)

[–]hmontalvo369 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

In software development a PoC is just that, a proof of concept... a developer conceptualizes a functionality or design and builds it to test it, or in other words, prove it works... so the development can move along to other phases like unit and integration testing...

[–]benjaminionredditor for less than 1 month 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I know. It's just my feeble attempt at humour. Proof-of-work/proof-of-concept... I'll get my coat.

[–]BCNext 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many hops was included into 1.25s avg latency? Do validators need to be connected directly with each other?

[–]vbuterinJust some guy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 1.25s was obtained by taking the latency graph from https://ethstats.net/ and multiplying by ~1.5-2x just to be safe.

[–]krakrakra 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was that a local test or routed via internet? Isn't 1% stale rate quite high for a simulation?

[–]vbuterinJust some guy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Local. But 1.25s average network latency was simulated.

[–]killswitch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay I don't know anything, but isn't a 3 second block time close enough to the network propagation time that you might get two solutions trying to propagate simultaneously in competition? I guess that kind of issue is solved?

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is the code/branch pushed to github?

[–]TruthTaco 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care about block times, can someone tell me how long confirmed transactions on casper are expected to take?

[–]twigwam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

AWESOME! :)

[–]akombaRedditor for 2 years with less than 100 comment karma. 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there a way to prevent mindless copy-paste of the code? Something that requires more than "pull from master"?

[–]smartbrowsering -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rise up from the dirt, this is a time to rejoice as the farther has bestowed onto us a gift.

[–]STCJOPEYredditor for less than 1 month 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Question, if both Eth and Etc chains are exactly the same it is possible to port any dapps or even casper when it is implemented? Or maybe we use Etc as a test chain to make sure it works right?

[–]TheRandyMagnum 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How come no one is talking about the miners and PoS? Miners, tell us what you have to say about PoS!?

[–]PhiStr90 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will there be a Olympic challenge to stress test the network again?

Cant wait to spam the testnet again :D

[–]HandofBitcoin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So Vitalik decides to release distractions as the Ethereum project collapses infront of his eyes.