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Free speech and the alt right (self.altright)

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How far do you support free speech? At what point does speech cross over into subversion or conspiracy?

I think it's pretty breathtaking how much of an influence /pol/ has had on our movement. I mean, the Amren types have been heroically keeping the flame lit for decades, but they were shut out and unappreciated until they were found by a bunch of pissed off anime masturbators.

One of the unresolved issues in the alt right is the balance between absolute free speech and the physical removal principle. It would be hypocritical to embrace censorship when our very movement was born out of a culture of anonymous thoughtcrime and shocking vulgarity.

But at the same time, we have to deal with egalitarianism and cultural Marxism, which must be vaccinated against and quarantined like smallpox. We also have to deal with the pattern of influential intellectuals who have historically proven to be highly dishonest and disloyal in pursuit of their own ethnocentric interests.

Memetic warfare is an ugly thing.

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[–]SamsTestingAltCanadian Propertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free speech isn't really an issue we need to worry about within the movement. We need to curate our space and allow a certain amount of dissent, but we don't need neo-communists in here telling us that we should all be shoah'd for our views.

I think the USA has the best free speech laws in the world.

[–]bobop6/pol/ was right again 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll be honest here. I don't mind being hypocritical at all with our movement and free speech. I'll use free speech and enlightenment ideals to spread the values/message of the alt. right, but in a nation/society with us in control? I can't say there would be free-speech and democracy for all. Subversion of our cultures and race and the spread of cultural marxism have only happened because we have always valued enlightenment ideals and such, whereas without free speech and democracy, the greatest gains for our race and cultures has been made.

[–]citizen_beyond 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think both right/traditional and left/socialist government have to limit speech to some degree. The difference is the degree and method.

Left governments have to control free speech. As they allow democracy, they must maintain a narrative which allows the current government to maintain and acquire power. And as much of the society and culture is founded in ideology rather than truth, the restrictions on free speech can be harsh. These restrictions can be so subversive and widespread that many people may not even realize their speech and thoughts are being restricted.

Right governments can probably allow for more free speech and discussion since they wouldn't allow democracy, and some rabble-rousing would probably be allowable to an extent. It would mostly be self-limiting. However, should the society start to trend away from eternal truths and obedience to rightful authority, some restrictions would probably be necessary. And they may be harsh as well, as I imagine they would rather invoke swift and decisive "open" action rather than the insidious slow-burn of mind control.

[–]bobop6/pol/ was right again 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that really goes to the enlightenment v dark enlightenment argument as well. While I think most of us would agree that in theory democracy and enlightenment ideals are preferred, when we are under constant threat of subversion and leftism, those same ideals will damn us. Look at how the cultural marxists and leftists of the '50s and '60s managed to use free speech against America. The vast 'silent majority' was conservative, white, and relatively happy, and the jews hadn't established control of the narrative yet. They managed to use 'muh free speech' to push the whole civil rights movement, hippie movement and racial egalitarianism into the spotlight, using it to craft the narrative they've solidified so well now.

[–]GranAutismo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I want absolute free speech, at least on the government level.

[–]AltRight4Bernie 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Free speech only applies to the government throwing you in jail for what you say/write/broadcast. Anything else is just playing the victim. That's what Milo is doing, that's why he's a loser. I'm here to win not to hang myself on a cross for attention.

[–]dgrizzle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree with this analysis. Right now it looks as though censorship has been outsourced from the government to social media networks. How they have achieved this is anyone's guess. Could have threatened them with regulatory scrutiny, promised them political favors, who knows.

Don't be shocked if there are more bans in the future, though.

[–]AugustJRushDissident Realist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't believe in free speech. While we still have to deal with the issues we're facing, I'm generally against free speech.

[–]hokiecon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe in free speech, but not for communists.

[–]spiritoflIndbergh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a White homeland, I'd suppress some speech: speech that degrades and devalues the foundations of a healthy White homeland, i.e., speech that is anti: White heritage and history, the family, patriarchy, masculinity/manhood, love of the homeland/our race, etc. These foundations are based on biological realities. They aren't opinions or social constructs; they're laws of nature. Alternative viewpoints to these truths are poisonous lies promoted by degenerates, the warped, the damaged, and some (((non-Whites))). Lies that damage a healthy and happy White society do not have a right to circulate anymore than infectious diseases do. Basically, every viewpoint that your average SJW promotes would be suppressed. And, yes, that could mean forcible shutdowns of stubbornly non-cooperative media outlets and the jailing or exiling of those who refuse to obey. If an idiot values their crackpot degenerate ideas more than their race, people, and homeland, give them the boot.

[–]EmeraldEagle88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does anybody genuinely believe in free speech? No. They don't. Censorship is fine as long as it's someone else's speech being censored. Paying lip service to muh Constitution isn't going to change that. Whether culturally or legally, the primary goal of an institution is to survive, and they survive by putting down dissent. We are dissenters and for that we are thought criminals. As far as laws I would pass, I would declare that all speech be geared toward the edification of Race and Nation. You can criticize your leaders, but spitting on Race and Nation is blasphemy.

[–]avian_buddhaAlt Right 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We remove infiltrators to the best of our ability. Free speech is important - for us. This is certainly a war. We really do need to all start thinking about how we can organize locally.