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[–]arghx7 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do other areas of French society have strict rules about relationships in the workplace or academia? Or do you think this is just a surgery thing? In the US there is usually a rule against what you are describing. Although it is broken all the time, it's done in a discreet way.

[–]2niczar 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do other areas of French society have strict rules about relationships in the workplace or academia?

Such rules would be seen as an unacceptable intrusion of privacy. So no, there are none.

[–]meninistMD[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe there is some laws, but in work dating is something so common no one frown about it.

[–]newusernamereddit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, the opposite if anything is true for France.

[–]verify_account 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The French don't even mind if their politicians or prime minster for that matter have mistresses. It's none of your business and they were shocked we cared so much about old slick Willy getting head from Monica.

[–]meninistMD[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, there is no rules, I never heard even of woman raising a sexual harassment law suit too.

[–]Toolman890 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

American men are so pathetic that they'll still favour the girls even without getting any sexual favours in return. We all know old males are hiring young women because of their looks and because they offer no competition to his dominance like a confident young male does. Young men are being sold down the river everywhere at an alarming rate.

[–]strps 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's rules about it, but it is women who basically get to choose to enforce them. This guy is seeing it first hand, and what he is describing is common the world over.

[–]1mrust 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's basically impossible to fire anyone in France for any reason ever.

[–]epixs 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Surgical residency here in the US is mostly a old boys club. You do see female surgeons match into surgical residency , but one would think the program directors would know not to rank someone who will only practice for a few years and then get pregenant/quit practicing.

Goal is surgery man, but I'm still in preclinical years of medschool.

[–]meninistMD[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I may come to US, I already finished USMLE before, but to do family medicine, here a career in surgery is controlled by contracts and governmental intervention to limit surgeon's revenue, and you have hardly a say in which cases you take or not, mostly bureaucrats sitting on desks decide everything. so a surgeon is stripped of power, revenue quarter of what their American counterpart would earn and low quality of surgical training.

[–]frankattack1 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty wrong here. My program is half females and theyre always looking for more. To be fair they are all very good at surgery; even women can't fake it / have males do their work for them in surgery. It will be interesting tho once 50% of attendings are female. Many of the ones now don't take call and only do elective cases. It's like the military, a larger percentage of men are cut out for surgery, but the women who actually work hard are just as skilled and sometimes have an advantage (small hands).

[–]drallcom3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Work in Europe is very regulated in general, so it's a lot more appealing for women

[–]Toolman890 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only like that now because of how things used to be, there's no older females to challenge the old boys club. That's changing very fast though. There's certainly no young boys club, but there are young girls clubs in nearly every industry.

[–]Mooshaq 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your post is not true at all. Don't spread such misinformation.

but one would think the program directors would know not to rank someone who will only practice for a few years and then get pregenant/quit practicing.

Program directors hire resident physicians, not attending physicians. They hire doctors that they can train and in return get cheap labor and Medicare reimbursements. The small residency programs often look for physicians that will stay in the area after residency, sure. Most large programs (especially ones with many residents going on to fellowship) don't care if you will only practice a few years before getting pregnant/quitting. Once you graduate residency, if you don't sign on as a physician in that hospital then the program directors don't give a shit whether or not you work for 40 years or quit medicine the next day. If it's a program that doesn't try hard to hire their residents as attendings, then they don't give a damn how long you will practice.

Goal is surgery man, but I'm still in preclinical years of medschool.

It shows. You know the ideas and stereotypes but you don't have anywhere near all the information. Just so you know, something (estimated) like 60% of male students going in want to do surgery, and nowhere near that many end up doing surgery. You can talk shit all you want about women not wanting the difficult lifestyle and long hours. Don't forget that tons of male students interested in surgery also don't pursue it because they don't have the scores (but some girls do...so what does that say about the guys?) or they want more family time (which makes them no different than the female students).

[–]meninistMD[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't even bother discussing your reply, I think it would be unfruitful to discuss a guy who start his reply by accusation of spreading false information.

[–]nerfedpanda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see nothing wrong with his reply. There's nothing wrong with calling out what might possibly be misinformation.

He backs up everything he says with solid logic, and he certainly sounds like someone in the industry who knows what he's talking about.

[–]KenMastersMD 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

This does not happen as blatantly here in the US. However in general, women gravitate to lifestyle specialties over specialties that are more time invasive; many times they work part time in these relatively easier specialties while their partners take grueling hours and call. I've been meaning to post about how blue pilled this profession has become

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's very blue pill over here in the UK too. Hell most new doctors are women now.

A colleague was telling me the government are on his case because we have no female consultant cardiologists at our hospital. The government want nice stats and a token woman, the rest of us want a meritocracy.

[–]meninistMD[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea, I know, but the way of being accepted to these specialties or to any sub specialties is always easier to a the female than the male if they are in comparable level.

[–]KenMastersMD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wholeheartedly agree, with the exception of dermatology. The females within that subspecialty have a different level of savagery.

[–]sunderfrost 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know a lot of women also go in for say, to become an FNP where they can in the end work less and earn the same.

[–]Mooshaq 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is it blue pilled? It's their choice to work part time or go into a more "lifestyle" specialty, and it's their partner's choice to take a more difficult specialty with more grueling hours and call. If you don't agree with women doing that, then don't hire as many women into lifestyle specialties, or don't hire women as attendings that only want to work part time.

EDIT: If you mean it's "blue pilled" because women are taken into residencies/jobs just because the hospital/group needs to meet a minimum amount of female physicians quota, then yeah I agree.

[–]KenMastersMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your edit is correct. Also because physicians, as a group, have lost their backbone and have allowed the government, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical corporations to get in between what matters most, the patient-physician relationship. We don't have a uniform group that defends us from additional regulation, increased liability, and pay reductions for no apparent reason. We also shoulder the responsibility of PA and NP oversight (meaning if something goes wrong when they manage a patient, we are liable). This is barely scratching the surface of a lot of points of contention for many physicians.

[–]nationale7 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Welcome to the real world, Neo.

[–]cra1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitlib media headline: Spike in life threatening surgery complications, career women hardest hit.

[–]Zemataitais 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most of my med school female classmates want to go into "family-friendly" specialities. To my institutions credit they have no patience for surgical residents who defer work to others so they can start a family and hence it is male dominated. Tangentially related but I've found the AF/BB dynamic among physicians to be fascinating: on the whole most docs are beta and easily fall into BB provider, but there are a good chunk of surgeons who are charismatic, lift and smash. Ironically they also earn more.

[–]2FatStig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know the head of neurosurgery at a renowned hospital. Betamax. Though he does try very hard to project otherwise, to the point of it being annoying.

[–]EvilPenName 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit happens in the states too, it just isnt out in the open.

[–]petersutcliff 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care where you live. Cooks should not be performing surgery.

I'll show myself out.

[–]red_reality 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you wish to have a pussy and fuck your way to the top?

This perspective of holding women in contempt for using all at their disposal to achieve their goals is the exact beta perspective which limits your ability to achieve your own goals. There will always be those with better genetics, smarter brains or more suitable mentors which give others advantages over ourselves. But, similar to the child who inherits his wealth, these people take their gifts for granted. Earning your position in your field through nothing but hard work and dedication will give you a sense of ownership and pride in your life unlike anything these women will EVER experience. That is the gift the universe affords those who embrace the grind.

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're in france? Wait for the Caliphate. It'll solve all of your problems

[–]meninistMD[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

nah, most people are atheists even people who come from islamic countries. I thought that but after living here I know that won't happen.

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not the people in france, but the refugees pouring into France

[–]newusernamereddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Only refugees going to France are those that want to cross to UK.

[–]donkey_democrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That doesn't discount France's large growing Muslim/foreign population.

[–]newusernamereddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

But they are not pouring in but are already living there for decades.

[–]donkey_democrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They came in the up's-90's and have birth rates double or triple the natives. They may not be coming in now, but they are certainly growing very quickly.

[–]red_reality 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's savage because it's true.

[–]hmogawrt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surgeon won't tell the lady trainee that he will do her PR if she screws up anything with the patient procedure

[–]fuu969 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. there is no gender equality, both genders are necessary to each other
  2. the world is fucked once so called senior experienced men, the one who should mentor and lead lose it all for disposable young pussy
  3. you can't expect bitches to behave like civilised human beings, women take what they can get. Women get along with it because men let them go along with it.

All this shit happens everywhere now, in families, at work, at school, in the army.

When will people wake up and react to that ?

Is it all caused by higher oestrogen in water of what or has mankind become to comfortable ?

[–]dude-meister -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a universal problem with human nature. These women aren't sleeping their way into success; that is just a side-effect of being attracted to accomplished, high-status men. These men aren't abusing their positions; they would never pressure or retaliate against an underling for refusing them. There is never any quid-pro-quo, and besides, if it is a person that is not directly under their chain-of-command, then all is well.

To be fair though, it would suck as much or worse to be a younger, unattractive woman.

[–]2FatStig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

suck as much or worse to be a younger, unattractive woman.

You don't know how many betas are out there desperate for any poon.

[–]drubago 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unattractive women are like men - they have to work for a living.

[–]CarNegotiators -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The good news is your will be a chief one day too!

[–]DoofusCPA -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no difference between this and a kid getting a football scholarship.

[–]makeshift98 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the kid is fucking the scouts, then yes, there is no difference.

[–]1naMlliPdeR -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Meh. I see nothing wrong with this. Honestly, good for the women. If they can get ahead by using their bodies, they very well should.

Just like on the flip side, there should be no "minimum women in the workforce", race quotas, etc. etc. I believe that there should be no restrictions to using your god given gifts to advance in life. And if this includes seducing your betters, all the power to them.

You use what you have in life. As long as you're not being given privilege by the legal system, I'm fine with it.

[–]2FatStig 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, good for the women.

Bad for civilization though.

[–]meninistMD[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

exactly, I wouldn't mind it if it is in a cream rubbing specialties as dermatology, but not surgery.

[–]1naMlliPdeR -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who cares if it's bad for civilization. If women start doing a bad job at surgery, people will adapt. They will request male surgeons. And that's how the free market fixes itself.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This goes on elsewhere too. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't slept with the new trainees that join the specialty. It doesn't mean I advance their careers deliberately, perhaps some of this is a status/power issue.

These women are fucking guys at the top of their careers. Consultants are still venerated by the rest of the profession.

[–]dodgingbadger -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is nothing wrong with this. It's pure RP. Alpha men get the resources and power, sometimes at the expense of other men.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least you know that life is going to get good in your career, if you can lay off the LTR until you're successful.

Sucks for buddies gall bladder