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[–]redchris18 -7ポイント-6ポイント  (37子コメント)

Meta-communication: for those who aren't quite as good as good as they wish they were...

Edit: for those downvoting in an attempt to hide a valid point, the downvote function is for posts that have nothing to do with the subject matter. As this OP explicitly refers to meta-game communication, I am entirely justified in calling (ha!) attention to it. Trying to silence people just because you don't agree with them makes you look weak-minded. I haven't downvoted any of u/Rose94's posts because they are directly relevant. Am I being a little ambitious in expecting people to do the same in return...?

[–]Rose94brushie brushie brushie brushie 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

So you're saying that in a team game, when given the opportunity to know and therefore communicate with your team, you shouldn't because apparently it doesn't matter how good I am at solo queue, if I open my mouth I'm not as good?

[–]imthecopilotNNID: 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I really don't understand your point through all of this. You're attempting to equate your experiences in solo queue to how competitive splatoon operates. Every single squad that plays tournaments communicates in game with each other. You can't beat the top squads unless you call out their positions, their flanks, who has their special, and when to unleash your own team's specials. Anyone that has made it to S/S+ knows everything you pointed out in your post, but you need something more to win matches against well coordinated squads that have been playing with each other for months.

[–]redchris18 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Every single squad that plays tournaments communicates in game with each other. You can't beat the top squads unless

In other words, "everyone else is doing it. I'm just making it a level playing field", right? Try Googling that and see what comes up...

you need something more to win matches against well coordinated squads that have been playing with each other for months.

You need a meta-game cheat to beat them? I see two possible options here:

1) they are also using VOIP, and removing it would not detriment either of you any more than the other.

2) they are not also using VOIP, which means you're cheating to keep up with better players.

[–]rice_bledsoeNNID: Zzylard[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

am i fucking crazy?

TALKING TO YOUR TEAMMATES IS NOT CHEATING. USING THE ABILITY YOU AND ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD WAS BORN WITH, THAT'S NOT CHEATING.

[–]redchris18 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. Large, bold text. Very convincing...

Prediction: this reply will get downvoted and your equally-inane scream will get upvoted. Calling it right now.

[–]imthecopilotNNID: 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvoted because I want you to be right at least once in this thread ;)

[–]SegataSanshiroNNID: 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

If you're in a Squad, paired against other Squads, you better be communicating because the other team sure is going to be.

[–]frozenpandamansniper loli! 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

the other team sure is going to be.

I don't think it's as common as you imagine it to be.

[–]IkananXIII 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

I would assume it's extremely common. I play squads with my friends every week and we're always talking on Skype while we do. Why wouldn't we be? Squads is for playing with friends and who wouldn't want to talk with their friends while playing?

[–]redchris18 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False-consensus_effect

Not everyone plays the same way you do. Or I do. Or Frozen does. People are different. Some, for example, think it's acceptable to exploit this game by conspiring with an opponent to constantly ink the same spot to build points. And let's not forget why there are so many disconnections...

Don't assume something is ubiquitous just because you do it.

[–]IkananXIII 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm just saying I don't understand why anyone wouldn't do it? Why wouldn't you want to talk to your friends while playing with them?

Also, why are there so many disconnects? Are you saying it's some sort of foul play going on? I honestly don't know.

[–]WheltNNID: 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why wouldn't you want to talk to your friends while playing with them?

I can answer this: Because I'm weird and anti-social and voice chat makes me anxious. That has nothing to do with redchris18's argument though, he's still not making any sense. People who want to voice chat and coordinate their teams can do it, there's no rule against it and it's not any less of a valid way to play.

[–]redchris18 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm weird and anti-social

Same here, and I enjoy VOIP. Try doing it while impersonating someone. It'll help with the anxiety. Try Zoidberg. Or, more aptly, Squidward.

People who want to voice chat and coordinate their teams can do it, there's no rule against it and it's not any less of a valid way to play.

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't valid, but that those who play that way often aren't as good as they think purely because of it. It's an unfair advantage over other players. And, as I said above to someone else, I'd be prepared to bet that the sole reason it isn't banned is because it's impossible to enforce. Technically, it's illegal to change a CD - remember those - while driving, but how the hell does anyone go about cracking down on that?

[–]WheltNNID: 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Playing with a coordinated team vs. playing solo ranked doesn't mean the players are any better or worse, but it requires a different mindset.

In solo you can't rely on your team as much to know what your plan is or what they're all doing at any given moment. It's less organized and you have to play mostly by reaction, avoid stepping on each others' toes, and trust that they will react appropriately, too. Weapon distribution is totally random and you have to adapt to it. I enjoy solo ranked and I find this level of uncertainty and on the fly adaptation very fun in its own way.

In a voice squad there's a lot more strategy and planning involved. You can plan movements in advance instead of playing everything by reaction, you can tip off your teammates to nearby enemies, and all that. It makes your play a lot more efficient... but it does the same thing for the other team. If the other team isn't also using voice chat, then yes, the chatting team will have an advantage. But that's more Nintendo's fault than anything. If both teams are using chat (which is most often the case if you're playing high level squads), then it's balanced.

It's really two different games here. It only creates an advantage if one team is doing it and the other isn't. I suppose that might happen if you want to squad with a friend but don't want to voice chat with them, whereas the other team probably will? But I still don't see that as a good enough reason to condemn voice chat players.

[–]redchris18 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have no idea how grateful I am for a considered response. Seriously. I'm upvoting you just for that.

In solo you can't rely on your team as much to know what your plan is or what they're all doing at any given moment.

That's part of the appeal. A glance at weapon choices and levels gives you a decent idea of how they'll play, and the opening few seconds fills in a lot of the rest. As an Nzapper, I can usually switch roles depending on how everyone else behaves in those opening moments. It's a lot more interesting than just getting together a group of friends and deciding on permanent roles beforehand. That's what Battlefield is for.

Weapon distribution is totally random and you have to adapt to it. I enjoy solo ranked and I find this level of uncertainty and on the fly adaptation very fun in its own way.

Couldn't agree more. It's the reason Splatoon is unlike anything else, aside from the Turf mechanic.

In a voice squad there's a lot more strategy and planning involved

See, that is where we diverge. I think VOIP-connected squads feature a lot less strategy, because you never really deviate from a restrictive role. Ever.

On the other hand, with three complete strangers, you're constantly forced to come up with twenty-second strategies all match long. One of my favourite match types has me playing defensively with my Nzap 89, as I zip back and forth and offer the rest of my team support in their respective duels. Walleye allows me to do this across the entire width of the map, for example, so I'm perpetually tweaking my current style to suit the situations I'm running between. With voice communication, I'd probably be more effective, and a lot less interested.

If the other team isn't also using voice chat, then yes, the chatting team will have an advantage. But that's more Nintendo's fault than anything

If you're going to do it, at least be responsible. They didn't want it. It's not their fault that people are using it to "level the playing field". I'd fully support them providing it in a sequel, provided it was limited to non-competitive modes. Being able to play Ranked as a squad is a far bigger oversight. Maybe separate modes for solo and squad ranked...

[–]redchris18 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have an issue with simple socialising, but that's not what's being discussed. We're talking about meta-game communication that is directly affecting the game itself. By using a third-party source to do so you are, effectively, gaining an advantage that doesn't originate from the game or your skill therein.

Disconnections happen because Nintendo use client-side authentication. Your game tells the server whether a shot hit the target. People can use this to their advantage by tactically disconnecting. For example, they could pull their Ethernet cable before rounding a corner, then plugging it back in just as they kill you. Their game would say that you got splatted, whereas yours would never have registered that they were even there.

As a result, Nintendo have a very short time allowed for normal connection issues. Slightly too long and they assume you're cheating, and you get dropped from the match.

I expect the sequel to feature more hefty servers and server-side authentication. Live and learn, and all that...

(also, it's hilarious that my last post is already being downvoted into the ground. I'm guessing it's those people who can't tell the difference between Reddit and YouTube again, nuking me purely because they don't like what my other comments are saying. Children will be children.)

[–]redchris18 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

With some very minor tweaks, that exact sentiment could have come from Lance Armstrong...

[–]rice_bledsoeNNID: Zzylard[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

except there is no ban against speaking to each other...

what is the point you're trying to make? the thing you're trying to say at the end of the day? Do you even know?

[–]redchris18 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

except there is no ban against speaking to each other...

Only, I'd suggest, because there's no way to enforce it. How would they ban people for using their phones, for example?

That's a stupid point of comparison that strongly suggests that you're tacitly admitting that you have no valid rebuttal.

what is the point you're trying to make?

Do you speak English? I hardly think I was unclear, given that several other people understood me well enough to vehemently argue to the contrary. Or is that an attempt to belittle someone whose point you are unable to otherwise address?

I'm actually getting intelligent responses from other people on here, so you should probably defer to them.

[–]rice_bledsoeNNID: Zzylard[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

/r/iamverysmart

take a chill pill friend. and it's probably a good idea to not insult / demean other people here, just because you disagree with voice chat.

[–]redchris18 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been entirely concise this entire time, as evidenced by the fact that one person has provided a perfectly lucid and informative discussion. Then you decided to chime in with:

what is the point you're trying to make? the thing you're trying to say at the end of the day? Do you even know?

A grammatically-defunct evasion attempt. And, while on the subject of insulting/demeaning someone, would you care to reconsider your oh-so-witty link?

[–]rice_bledsoeNNID: Zzylard[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

you sound unnecessarily mad over something that really doesn't need to be argued over

[–]redchris18 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Says the person resorting to the textual equivalent of screaming elsewhere on this page...