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TIL that the Soviet Union allowed theaters to play The Grapes of Wrath because of its depiction of the plight of the poor under capitalism, but it was later withdrawn because Russian audiences were amazed that even the poorest Americans could afford a car. (en.wikipedia.org)

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[–]emoposer 221ポイント222ポイント  (229子コメント)

We complain a lot but it's true. The poor in America live better than the middle class almost everywhere else.

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[–]gilbot89 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Subscribed

[–]YeshilPasha [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol, all of that sub looks butt hurt. And I'm not even American.

[–]notTheAggressorHere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Any shit{DEMOGRAPHIC}says subreddit is going to be fucking train wreck.

[–]LNhart [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL I learned that Europe exists.

But seriously, it said "almost everywhere else". Yes, there are other rich countries, but every single American has a lifestyle that would be considered above average in most of the world.

[–]Teddie1056 58ポイント59ポイント  (29子コメント)

Europoors mad

[–]Ilikezragecomics [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Wiping my tears with this free healthcare and free education

[–]polarisdelta [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Good, don't let it ruin your mascara.

[–]Augustus_Caesar1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Also free in America if you're poor enough.

[–]saffron_sergant [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ahh, poor enough to get all the free shit, still enough money for 2 cars and decent apartment. Thanks Uncle Sam

[–]bjbark [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

free

I'm not sure you know what free means.

[–]Redstar22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you're actually right. It's not free, I pay for it with my taxes, but I get a lot more back than the taxes I pay. So in fact, it's not just free, it's effectively saving me money!

[–]ObsceneName11 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm sure he/she does. Why does someone always feel the need to come along and do the "hurr durr free healthcare isn't free!" shit?

Everyone knows! No one thinks that the doctors work for free and the hospital was summoned from thin air and receives free medical supplies from magicians.

It's like when people say that the library lets you borrow books for free - they obviously mean "free at the point of use", not "it doesn't cost anyone anything" because that's obviously not how it works.

[–]HidingFromMyWife1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why does someone always feel the need to come along and do the "hurr durr free healthcare isn't free!" shit? Everyone knows!

Because over 50% of reddit users are under 20 and don't actually know?

[–]gundog48 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lots of young people don't really think about it because they don't pay taxes. It's not really a stab at them or anything, just not something they give a lot of thought to. As a young person you reap all the benefits of tax without paying any, which makes it easy to wonder why other people would want to miss out on that!

[–]tpbvirus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I cry every time i look at my paycheck only to see it gets destroyed by welfare taxes.

[–]Makropony [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A single medical bill in the US for an average health concern seems to be more than I pay in taxes in my lifetime, so I'm okay with this kind of "free".

[–]lettuceman44 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not like most of us pay that price.

Sucks for those who do though :( For them I would want the system changed.

[–]pete_topkevinbottom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is no such thing as free

[–]poohster33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Better than medically related bankruptcy

[–]OblivionJL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Crying with joy. Free healthcare, education....

[–]SirNoName [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is more "shit others say about Americans" but okay

[–]Pao_Did_NothingWrong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How many poor people do you know and how do you deinfe "better?"

[–]mfb- 44ポイント45ポイント  (11子コメント)

If "almost everywhere" excludes all other first world countries, where even the poor live better than the poor in America, and some developing countries where the middle class beats poor Americans.

[–]Birdy1001 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Certainly healthier. Our childbirth rate and mother's dying during childbirth is shameful.

[–]MartinBlank73 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That is mostly due to the very poor and recent immigrants. Not that it makes it ok. But for most americans the infant mortality rate is very low.

[–]thePurpleAvenger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you have any data to back that up? I find it hard to believe, considering that if you are poor and pregnant you can instantly get on Medicaid.

[–]bka600 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If "almost everywhere" excludes all other first world countries, where even the poor live better than the poor in America

How many young Italian adults are still living with their families? How rich do you have to be to afford a house with a backyard in London? How many people in Berlin have a car with a V8?

Americans and Europeans have different standards of living -- different goals and different preferences. Poor people in America are worse-off than poor Europeans in someways, and better-off in others.

[–]mfb- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How rich do you have to be to afford a house with a backyard in London?

What about a house with a backyard in New York? What is the purpose of those questions? Do you really think someone poor cares about a backyard?

Do you have to worry if you can afford to call an ambulance if you have a medical emergency? Not in Europe, because it is free - and they will always treat you in the hospital, and organize (if necessary) the financial part afterwards (typically the health insurance covers everything necessary, and even if not or if you want something better things here cost a tiny fraction of what they cost in the US).

Social security in many European countries is above the income (!) of some poor Americans, not even considering the income of those who don't find a job.

[–]ObsceneName11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The affordability of a house in London isn't a fair benchmark for affluence in the UK or Europe more generally. That's like asking how many Americans can afford a property in New York, not many.

Although I agree with your general point.

[–]Gorrest_Fump_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mate, you're talking out of your arse at this point.

The cars in Europe have smaller engines because they're almost exclusively manual, but still, having a V8 isn't really all that important to your quality of life. And since Berlin has fantastic public transport, owning a car isn't really necessary, so many people don't. Owning big/expensive cars is fairly common in Germany though, they're the country of Audi, Mercedes and BMW.

London is a ridiculously expensive place to live, and the UK is very densely populated generally, so houses are smaller. It's still very common to have a back garden. I have literally no idea why you think it isn't.

Italy and Spain, and a few other European countries are having financial problems, but poverty in the US is a very different thing, since there are fewer social safety nets and nowhere near the same kind of workers' rights.

Europe is also very different from country to country, and you're more likely to live with your parents as a young American than a young Scandinavian.

Having said all that, there are plenty of other countries with comparable (or better) living standards to the US, especially for the working and middle classes. To suggest otherwise is dishonest

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    [–]Ithrazel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Soviet Union =/= everywhere else. The poor in central and northern Europe live better.

    [–]shadowdude777 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    almost everywhere else

    You must not live in one of those places with higher living standards because if you did, you'd have better reading comprehension skills. Or could you be cherry-picking what you want to hear from what he said? :)

    [–]cd411 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The poor in America live better than the middle class almost everywhere el\

    That's just not true anymore.

    The Prosperous middle and working class in this country are so segregated from the truly poor Americans that when they are actually exposed to it they are shocked.

    [–]ringo_24601 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    I've intentionally taken my kids to some of the poorest parts of the country (UK) so they can see the difference between where they live (Nice village on the affluent outskirts of London) and how other people live. You've got to give them some perspective. Sadly our government is attempting to do everything they can to thwart social mobility.

    I don't think the poorest parts of the UK are comparable to the poorest parts of the USA though

    [–]Spartan1997 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    If you sent your kids to the poorest parts of the US, they probably wouldn't come back.

    [–]i-var 90ポイント91ポイント  (155子コメント)

    Except (socialdemocratic) central europe. Middle class there is the true freedom good life. Affordable healthcare & college means everyone can get up the social ladder.

    [–]krneki12 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fear not, we are good at complaining too.

    [–]MartinBlank73 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    You might be surprised to find out that everyone can get up the social ladder in the US too. Like literally if your parents are married you chance of being in the top 20% of income earners is almost the same as being in the bottom 20%, regardless of where you parents incomes are.

    The big discrepancy in the US is kids from unmarried families, who have a much harder time with socio-economic mobility.

    But a bottom 20% kid has like a 17% chance of being in the top 20% if their parents are married. That basically is the social mobility utopia everyone is whining about.

    [–]Redstar22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You might wanna back your claims with some sources.

    [–]bayen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Huh, I thought the numbers were a lot worse than that. Do you know where I can read more?

    I also wonder if restricting to married couples sneaks in all the confounders (e.g. rich people more likely to only have children when married).

    And curious about the tails, e.g. top and bottom 2%, because they probably wouldn't affect the numbers for the top/bottom 20%. (And a large fraction of wealth is concentrated at the tail, so it probably matters.)

    [–]Flashtoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Sure dude, America has great socio-economic mobility.

    17% chance of going from the bottom to the top 20%? More like 4%: "Looking at larger moves, only 4% of those raised in the bottom quintile moved up to the top quintile as adults"

    The income equality in America is worse than almost anywhere else, and you comfort yourself with the delusion that this is compensated by the high socio-economic mobility - which is one of the lowest in the civilized world, too. What's worse, both the income equality and mobility are decreasing.

    [–]RlXer 29ポイント30ポイント  (133子コメント)

    you might get cheaper Healthcare and schooling but you still can't buy a car

    [–]Flyberius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Lol. Yes you can.

    [–]ObsceneName11 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    You don't actually believe that do you?

    You seriously think that the middle class in Europe can't afford cars?

    [–]Gorrest_Fump_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Mate, let him be.

    The more people believe him, the fewer idiots will come here on holiday

    [–]friedeggs3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Europe, where 50k euros is high paying job and you pay 45% of it in taxes. Enjoy your vespa

    [–]SyndicalismIsEdge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Wow. I'm baffled by so little knowledge about any place other than the US.

    [–]ColoniseMars [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Are you stupid? The middle class in europe often have two cars nowadays.

    [–]anotherusername60 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Not true. Do you think the roads of Europe are empty?

    [–]Redstar22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This is such bullshit. Every household here owns a car, some own two. Just take a look here, and you'll find that your claim has no basis in reality.

    [–]Birdy1001 40ポイント41ポイント  (119子コメント)

    But you don't need a car, the trains are fabulous. Having a car is only a status symbol in the USA and Russia.

    [–]Eurulis 236ポイント237ポイント  (67子コメント)

    It's not really a status symbol in a lot of places in America. America is simply a huge place and public transit here isn't very good.

    [–]GreenStrong [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Millenials are less interested in cars as a status symbol than previous generations Car makers are concerned. Millennials are still buying cars, because they need them, and the demographic wasn't expected to buy expensive cars at this point in their lives. The greater concern is that they won't buy highly profitable status cars when they reach their peak earning potential. If you didn't yearn for a sports car as a teenager, you aren't likely to come up with the idea when you hit midlife crisis.

    [–]bobandy47 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Or worse, if 'they' do what I did, I bought a slightly used "mid life crisis" car for about 40% of its value as they seem to drop like a stone.

    All the fun for discount price. And when I flip it, it'll be worth about 30% of its original value as that's pretty well the floor for it.

    I won't be buying a midlife crisis car off the lot. That money is off the table for them. They should be concerned.

    [–]x86_64Ubuntu [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Public transport isn't very good by design. There has always been a racial element to the creation of the suburbs, funding of highways, and non-funding of other modes of transportation.

    http://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/marta-tsplost-transportation/

    [–]2016sucksballs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Racial and economic. Car companies have fought tooth and nail to prevent public transportation from being viable in America.

    [–]maplesyrupinmyveins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    GM gave some Canadia towns and cities a fleet of new buses for free, on the condition it tore up the street car tracks

    [–]Richie209 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Really? I think opposite. You'd be hard pressed to find an area where a Maserati or a brand new BMW or Mercedes etc isn't a status symbol. Hell even a new Honda/Toyota shows that you have a good line of credit/a lot of cash. I can see where we millennial a are less interested in all of that, but having certain cars is definitely a status symbol here in the US.

    Unless you mean actual car ownership being more of a necessity than a status symbol, rather than the type of car. There I agree with you.

    [–]n1c0_ds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Cars are still a status symbol in Europe, but it doesn't bear as much weight as in America. Nice cars are not really head turners here.

    As a Canadian living in Europe, I'd say most people here don't seem to give a crap about cars. They're appliances, just like washing machines and fridges. That being said, it's very likely because I live in a large city, so cars are a liability, rather than a symbol of freedom.

    [–]weiss_schneenis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, having a badass car is a status symbol, but i think what the guy tried to mean was that owning a vehicle in general is a status symbol.

    [–]weiss_schneenis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Plus, public transit doesnt work for everyone. If you do any sort of trade work, or you dont live in or near a major city, there literally are no public transit options, besides uber/a cab (which both end up being way more expensive if you have a job there or live there)

    [–]Stolypin26 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Where I live I need a car. There are no buses or trains or any public transportation and my job, the grocery store, everything is about twenty miles away.

    [–]laxdelux [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Sure. It's just more about the "only poor people don't own cars" trope. It doesn't exist here. Plenty of people own cars though.

    Renault, peugeot, opel, volkswagen, fiat, volvo, skoda, etc..

    All known for their "economy" vehicles. In Europe.

    Then you have your Mercedes, BMWs, Lamborghinis, Porches, Ferraris, Aston Martins, etc... Who are they making all these cars for if nobody can afford them?

    Hell even Mercedes and BMW aren't really seen as luxury cars here. Especially the old ones.

    [–]weiss_schneenis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    well old cars are pretty cheap though, where i am i can get a running cadillac or muscle car from the 60s-80s for less than a lot of people's computers.

    [–]MasterFubar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I have lived in Sweden, it's true you don't need a car.

    You don't need to have fun either. You don't need to eat dessert. You don't need sex.

    A car is often much more convenient than public transportation. With your own car you can go anywhere any time you want. You can carry whatever you want. You can have privacy.

    If you think a car is just a status symbol, you don't know how to use a car.

    [–]Bigglesworth95 32ポイント33ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Only a status symbol. Welp my bad guys im off to get to work by tomorrow. Should be a twelve hour trek by foot

    [–]banned_4_racial_joke 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

    But you don't need a

    Let me st6op you right there, anybody who uses that phrase will never understand America.

    [–]bunny_funeral [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    why are you acting like america is the only place where people want things

    [–]Pizzalover68 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    THANK YOU!!

    Fuck people with their need statements. It's not about what I need. It's about what I fucking want.

    I don't need electricity, or insurance, or this phone, or my car, or any of the shit I have. The only things I need are food, water, and shelter.

    If human beings only cared for and existed on what we need, we would all still be eating bugs and shitting in the woods.

    The only reason that we have the things we have rigbt now are because of human wants, so if you're reading this and shaking your head, you can fuck off.

    If I want a big truck, I'll get one, and if I want a big boat I'll get one of those too. Thank god I live in a country where I still have the freedom and prosperity to do such a thing.

    [–]troubleondemand [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Thank god I live in a country where I still have the freedom and prosperity to do such a thing.

    I'm pretty sure you can do that pretty much anywhere on the planet (excluding Antarctica and Greenland).

    [–]Birdy1001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Hmmm, lived here 60 years. Had a job since 12, traveled all over the world and the USA...I understand it pretty well.

    [–]5i5ththaccount [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    It's not at all a status symbol. I didn't know where you got this. Cars a legitimately necessary for many Americans.

    For example I work 21 miles (33k) away from my home. There are no trains, busses, bike paths, trolleys, or any other public system that I could use to get from my home to my work reliably 5 days out if my week.

    The closest grocery store is a Walmart 2 miles (3.2k) away. Using a bike would be impractical and stupid as it could easily be stolen. There is a bus line but a two mile journey in my city would take 10 to 15 minutes on the bus alone. Walking to a from bus stops and waiting would double or triple that time.

    The closest mall is 12 miles (19k) away. There are bus lines, but I'd have to switch several times and as I stated before a 12 mile journey would take several hours.

    My car isn't a status symbol, it is a means of survival. Without it I cannot work, I cannot purchase food or clothing without wasting huge amounts of time that could be spent elsewhere.

    [–]n1c0_ds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That's very true. While I can go from Berlin to Milan on a 13 euro plane ticket, I couldn't even find a bus from Montreal to my hometown 45 minutes away. The $45 bus would only drop you off at the edge of the city, and you'd be pretty much forced to get a cab from there, as there was no public transit, or even a walking route from the drop off point.

    Outside of the large cities, public transit is simply non-existent in America. In Germany, I can take the train to any spot on the map.

    [–]FlashYourNands [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The closest grocery store is a Walmart 2 miles (3.2k) away. Using a bike would be impractical and stupid as it could easily be stolen. There is a bus line but a two mile journey in my city would take 10 to 15 minutes on the bus alone. Walking to a from bus stops and waiting would double or triple that time.

    Most of your comment made sense, but this is hilarious. You jump the shark when you try to make a 3.2k bike sound taxing and dangerous.

    [–]EnderFenrir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It definitely is a status symbol for those that work an hour from home and no options for public transportation /s. Your statement really only works for large cities or areas with a good public transportation infrastructure.

    [–]RlXer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah that's not how it works

    [–]flashcats [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It's a huge status symbol in China and many parts of Asia.

    [–]JurijFedorov [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Also, the cities and things are closer together in Europe. People usually work where they live. They don't travel long hours each day.

    [–]TerdSandwich [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Having a car is only a status symbol in the USA and Russia.

    I would say in a majority of the world, having a car is a status symbol.

    [–]-Exivate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It's really weird that you think owning a car is a status symbol in America. Most everyone owns a car, like the title claims, even the poor.

    I really wonder sometimes if these people making comments like this even have a clue.

    [–]TheGizmojo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Hah. Try living in the Midwest USA without a car. Not gonna happen.

    [–]Minky_Dave_the_Giant 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL FUCKING WUT

    [–]KevinAtSeven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    What.

    Of course you can. Small, economical cars are surprisingly cheap to buy and run in Europe.

    [–]thedeadlyrhythm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    ...this got upvoted?

    [–]MakeItSick -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

    DAE America sucks?!

    [–]nickfaker 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Yeah the top post sure is circlejerking about how much America sucks...

    [–]ObsceneName11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Its an attention bias.

    If you spend ages thinking and talking about how great you are, you're really going to notice the few times that someone tells you that you aren't. The USA back patting and circle jerking gets forgotten while every example of criticism gets blown out of proportion to "oh my god why do you hate us!?".

    [–]Lambchops_Legion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Affordable healthcare & college means everyone can get up the social ladder.

    In Germany, only ~40% of the population is allowed to go to university (those who go to Gymnasium + some Realschule exceptions.)

    Not saying the cost isn't worth it (as that's balanced out by a low of middle-skill jobs not requiring a university degree), but it's a lie to say they have more "freedom" (or at least greater opportunity.)

    [–]MasterFubar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    everyone can get up the social ladder.

    That's very easy, because the social ladder in those countries has only one rung.

    [–]TerdSandwich [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    true freedom

    Being forced to give away half your income to pay for other people isn't freedom. Also, there are plenty of "socialdemocratic" countries with failing middle classes and rampant unemployment.

    [–]Redstar22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Ah yes, true freedom is when you can't afford to go to hospital with an illness, so it goes untreated and kills you. That's much better. Also, could you point out hese countries with "rampant unemployment" and "failing middle classes"?

    [–]KevinAtSeven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Being forced to give away half your income to pay for other people isn't freedom.

    Depends on what you define as freedom. I see it as a little bit of my money, of which I have enough, going to pay for someone else to have a few more freedoms. Because, as you and I both know, freedom is a wonderful thing, and many of us are happy to help other people enjoy that.

    [–]hibernatepaths [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    If everyone has a college degree, no one has a college degree.

    [–]Enchilada_McMustang [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yup, the middle class everywhere else has to declare bankrupcy if they break a leg...

    [–]iam420friendly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Don't Americans have higher amounts of debt on average though?

    [–]TheColorOfStupid 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well, not everywhere else. Plenty of other first world countries are good places to live.

    [–]tripletruble [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Let's pretend other devoloped and middle class countries don't exist so we feel better about inequality.

    [–]TMWNN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We complain a lot but it's true. The poor in America live better than the middle class almost everywhere else.

    Correct.

    The US has the highest household net disposable income per capita in the OECD. ("Disposable income" accounts for healthcare and government benefits.) It has the sixth-highest median income in the world.

    [–]justforsongwriting [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And...you know...there's always the 200+ MILLION people that died from famine or were killed under Communist regimes in less than 100 years.

    We're not dead, so we've got that going for us. Which is nice.

    [–]ObsceneName11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skid_Row,_Los_Angeles

    That's America's poor. You honestly think that the middle class in the rest of the world live worse than that?

    [–]indoninja -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    If you look just at money? Yeah. If you look at crime, health care, upward mobility, not so much.

    [–]emoposer 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Most of the world is still developing or third world, so we are definitely still much better. Of course, there are some developed countries that are managed much better than us.

    Scandinavian countries handle most of their governing and taxation at local levels. Singapore and Hong Kong have created resilient economies with strong growth and low unemployment. We can learn a lot from the rest of the world but communism is obviously not the answer.

    [–]indoninja 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, that wasn't a pro communism comment, just that many other first wirkd nations do it better, IMHO.

    [–]mfb- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Communism clearly failed, but there are more options than communism and pure capitalism.

    [–]MasterFubar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Scandinavian countries handle most of their governing and taxation at local levels.

    Taxation of what's left after the central government has taken the income tax, which is above 40% for most people in those countries.

    [–]laxdelux 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most of the world is still developing or third world, so we are definitely still much better.

    Quite the bar you've set yourself there....

    Scandinavian countries handle most of their governing and taxation at local levels.

    What do you mean by this exactly?

    [–]Diepolt17 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well, the new young generation however...