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[–]A_RexRED KNIGHT 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

Men are the romantics. You loved your wife, no shame in that, and no shame in grieving for the loss. You have even more shit to handle now, since you are on your own.

Want validation? Raise your boy to be a real man. Be the man in his life, and see your reflection in him.

As far as second guessing yourself? That's to be expected with such a traumatic event. At some point, you'll have to let it go with the understanding that you were improving, doing your best, she saw you were doing your best, and tomorrow you will do even better. And even better the next day, and even better the day after that.

My condolences on your loss.

[–]PipingHotSoup 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your son can make an excellent wingman. Play the long game.

[–]Gstreetshit 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude, your wife just died in front of you and you're suddenly a single parent. Cut yourself some slack.

[–]e298f622X2 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No shit. I wouldn't want to lose my wife that way

[–]maxbrooksmacbook 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is pretty horrifying. I can't even imagine.

[–]TheFamilyAlphaPro-Masculine Evangelist 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

As men, we are the more romantic of the sexes. It is in this truth that you can see why it sucks so bad for guys to embrace the reality that, our romantic vision of reality is a lie.

I wish I could say my wife and I will ride of into the sunset together living out our days happy and working at life together, that's how it's supposed to be, right?

Find comfort in the discomfort of reality.

Your reality is your wife is dead, your son is alive, and you are left to rebuild your true 'self'.

This sucks, I'm sorry to hear about it, but what's happened is in the past. You can choose right now to remember her as a part of your life and then you need to get back to work taking care of your 'self' and your son.

[–]taon4r5[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm looking forward to rebuilding my true self. Honestly, a lot of the changes she brought about it in me -- even though they were from emotional manipulation, neglect, and my own desperation for love and approval -- were good. I became a better man through the process, and I've conducted myself heroically through her cancer journey and right up to present. I have every reason to be proud of my integrity and solid performance.

Once I get through the "sigh THIS is my life now" time and into "woo! This is MY life now!", I'm looking forward to rediscovering Who I Am as just me, not as part of a married package or in a caregiver role. My best days are ahead. Not sure how or when, but lessons learned are going to make for some wiser decisions down the road.

[–]TheFamilyAlphaPro-Masculine Evangelist 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Understand this.

Your best days are not ahead, nor are they behind.

The only day you have, the only moment you have is right now.

Immerse yourself in the now. Because then may never come. Your wife should serve as the constant reminder of living in each moment with your all.

Even while you at there typing on Reddit, enjoy the sound, the air, the breath you take...truly feel it all, because that is what living is.

[–]taon4r5[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. Today is all. Every good today can make for a better tomorrow, if I'm fortunate enough to have tomorrows.

This is a good reminder to get some real mindfulness into my life, as things have been a heavy dose of WHAT NOW, WHAT NEXT? for so long.

[–]rocknrollchuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, my condolences. My first wife died in 2007, and I was total Blue Pill. I got myself together and got married again the following year to an Eastern European girl. Just swallowed the Red Pill last year. Be grateful you know the truth now, because it will make it that much easier going forward. I know it doesn't seem like it right now, but I've had 9 years of perspective on this. You are on solid ground, and have everything you need to succeed in the future. Take time to mourn and grieve your loss, and when you're ready make a plan and carry it out. You got this, and you have an amazing future ahead of you when you're ready.

[–]MagmaiKH 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to let yourself grieve.
You haven't even started.

[–]ArchwingerMarried- MRP MODERATOR 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

You act like it's wrong to love your wife. Even when our wives are shitty, we love them. We just don't tolerate the bad behavior.

She was a huge part of your life. Of course you miss her.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, Cad doesn't

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bullshit. He probably deleted his account because his wife found it.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, I'll leave this discussion offline for now.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

dat nigga divorced now eh?

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR - IRC MOD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's easy to revert to blue pill in times of great tragedy. There are of course a whole range emotions and stages you will be going through over the next couple of months. Would being more romantic to your wife have changed anything? Probably not. Yesterday's gone on down the river and you can't get it back. Things were done and that's that. When deaths have occurred close to me I found it more helpful to not think of all the things we should have done. Instead, focus on the enjoyable memories and the road ahead. You have a three year old who will never know his mother. He is going to be 100% reliant on you to teach him how to be a man, how to love, and one day have his own family.

MRP tells everyone that you have to man up and own your situation. This is not a crisis of MRP faith. This is the time to double down on it.

Edit: Just read that your wife was in love with another man. Kind of puts a spin on what I just wrote.

[–]docmongre 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods may end up deleting this for bringing nothing to the table

You brought the most valuable things we all need here, perspective and insight. Everybody loves to bitch about their spouse but nobody knows what it's like to lose someone until you've been through it. You want to find some fault in yourself, go right ahead but it's not going to gain you any results. Now you're main job is to be strong for your kid(s). Stay on track with them.

I feel for you, brother. This stuff aint easy but it gets a little more bearable each day. Hang in there. Few people can empathize with you. Find those people and do some relying on others for a while. This really sucks, yes but it especially sucks doing it alone.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

il est recuitte was in your situation. Look back on his early stuff if he didn't delete.

I'm sure there's others who have had it who are on here irregularly also.

[–]pikadildo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure how he could look any of that up.

Anyway we hooked them up and they chatted in OP's previous thread about two months ago.

Surprised nobody remembers this guy. Or his wife's bullshit.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't put any effort into this guy, to be fair. I do remember him now. She was such a cow. Funny how absence removes bad memories, and keeps good ones

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He deleted his account. Like I said...fart in the wind now.

[–]Sam1490 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My condolences... I teared up reading this

[–]squirrelcuisinePPD MODERATOR 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

dude.. the fuck.. you lost your wife.. give yourself a wide berth for a while.

Wow..

Hilarious because I wrote this at the halfway point..

and I am going to leave it because I found your line almost saying the SAME thing I said before I read your second to last paragraph.

My wife had a cancer scare 6 months ago.. It is what got her mother.

I KNOW it is going to get her someday too and I can talk all hard right now.. but Im sure Ill be a fucking mess IF it happens.

Be well brother.

*edit It was late my grammar was shite.

[–]fuzzyface1980 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is what got her mother.

My mother in law has terminal cancer. She won't survive...and my wife will probably go in the same way. Sad thing is my father in law will probably be a bit apathetic to his wife's death.

Its a strange thing to watch a slow car crash and not be able to do a god damned thing about it.

[–]Psynaut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only regrets I ever have about anything are that I look back and think "I could have been kinder (similar to your 'romantic'). I think this is part of growing as a human throughout life. No matter how kind (romantic) we become, we will always look back and think that.

Along the same line, life being a progression, you only need to answer one question: " are you more confident and IDGAF today than yesterday/last year? If so good, because you will be better at it a year from now then you are today. Accept the progression and that you will always get better and look back at your past self and wish you had been as awesome then, as you are now.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here is the deep, deep secret. Just don't tell anybody. We have a reputation to uphold as the apex Alpha Family Guys. The reality is we are here on MRP because we LOVE our wives. It is true. If we didn't, most of us would not be intently studying how to fix our marriages! We would be on the PUA blogs practicing cold approaches. Even most of the MERP guys who are doing that cheating thing are here because they love their wives. Truth.

So when we say DNGAF it is often something of an overreaction. None of us really don't GAF. We do! The problem is, most of us give way, way to many fucks. Way to many as in it kills female attraction so moving more towards DNGAF is almost always the right move on MRP.

Put another way, if a guy is weak and soft, do you think the drill Sgt. goes easy on him during Basic Training?

I can't help but think things could've been better if I'd just been a bit more .... smack me if you need to .... romantic.

Second guessing everything you have done in your life is no way to live. However, it is a well known part of the grieving process. I would just bet some of the grief is that a part of you is elated that now you are "free" and can run through the mares like a bull moose.
That is also truth.

I think you are remembering what YOU WANTED, not what SHE NEEDED. You wanted the holding hands, cuddling, affectionate (like a dog) wife. Instead you had a human wife and you needed to behave accordingly.

I would say don't jump back in the saddle again right away. I would give it about a year or a bit less before you start cold approaching/dating- at least long enough to avoid future feelings of guilt that you failed to honor your wife's memory (or whatever).

MRP doesn't work on dead people

I believe this is true. Grieving is very different than MRP praexology. Get the worst of that process out of the way. As you know, we are very much against marriage counseling but individual counseling may often be warranted and grief support is something that may also be necessary. Remember, crying and being emotional is not unmanly! Men are the romantics. Get yourself together, take your time and do it right. MRP will still be here when you get back.

[–]alphabeta49MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reality is we are here on MRP because we LOVE our wives

Just submitting myself as a statistic to go against that claim. I might be a drop in the bucket.

I'm here because I chose not to divorce my wife for my kids' sake. I got married before I found MRP, so if anything I'm merely doing damage control. If it weren't for the kids, we wouldn't have gotten married in the first place.

I love my wife, don't get me wrong. But at this point its more "welp, I guess I'll make the best of it."

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You wanted the holding hands, cuddling, affectionate (like a dog) wife.

Between this and all the dogs are chick magnets stories, RP has convinced me I need a dog.

[–]Aechzen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know a widowed single dude. He is awesome. You can be too. He hosts music parties at his house. His six-ish year-old boy has a drawer full of nerf guns, and a room full of legos. He does what he wants, he owns his shit, I admire him. Be that guy.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

We used to have a guy here that went through this as well. He was older though with fully grown kids. He came here to work through all these similar emotions you're struggling with as well. Then he got more comfortable with his wife's memory and where he was going next. He knew what he was doing. Then one day he up and deleted his account...he vanished like a fart in the wind... You'll be the same. You will be ok. It will just be a matter of time...always with the time...

[–]FireTemperedUnplugging 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish Frenchy would have left his MRP journey intact. Might have helped OP. Miss him.

[–]fuzzyface1980 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Is it that French dude? il-something?

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Correct.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do we know why he left?

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't. /u/stonepimpletilists might.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

No reason. Just off to the sunset.

[–]PemBaylissMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. Lot of guys are just done. They've said what they had to say, and then just take off.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was the perfect time. Over his wife, has new plates. Got a new dog, and starting up a bunch of awesome hobbies. Last kid is out of college, and retiring.

Literally the most freedom I've ever seen out of a single man in here

[–]alphabeta49MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Holy fuck. I thought I was on top of things.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah...did you know WMP is back? Incognito though. (And I'm only guessing...it's my new hobby.)

[–]RuleZeroDAD 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think it's someone weak and sensitive. You never know who reappear or why.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or new additions might serve to be a bit of misdirection. I'm not am quite sure yet. With time the voice ends up always leaking through like a finger print. ;-)

[–]alphabeta49MRP-APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For awhile there, adderallabuse was sounding like cad.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is rule zero Dad? Just curious.

[–]RuleZeroDAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the Mission that underpins everything we do. The hub of our purpose that sometimes gets lost in the details:

Rule Zero

We make the mission harder by already having a significant other as a focus, but make no mistake, the man is lost if the focus is lost.

That's what Rule Zero is. As for Dad, you'll get to know him too, eventually.

[–]bornredd 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

God damn son, your wife just died. You have a 3 year old son, so I'm assuming you were married for at least 4 years.

It's going to take a few years to get over this. Love her, admit you love her, and live the best life you can. That's probably what she would have wanted for you - in fact, I bet since you knew this was coming, you two had that exact conversation.

Remember the happy times, and live even more.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's the piece that's nagging at me. She was never one to give me that attaboy anyway ... it pissed her off that I sought the validation, so all the better that I stopped looking for it -- but not even being able to angle for it in this time of crisis is hurting.

Missing something that was never there in the first place....men are the romantics.

[–]Blackthorn8 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good Luck, condolences from a random internet stranger.

First- just grieve, it will suck for awhile.

Second- If everything is black and white, we wouldn't need MRP. You are seeing things clearly. You recognize your wife's faults. You also loved her. You can do both and still be of value. Take your time. Your validation can now come from within. You do not need other people's validation because you are strong enough to call yourself on your bullshit.

Did you do a bad ass memorial? You know if you did, and if you did, in the state you were undoubtedly in- Then fuck yea, carry on.

Are you going to be a great father to your son?

Etc, Etc,

Good luck

[–]taon4r5[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The memorial service was excellent. I kept thinking -- wow, she did a great job ... and then realized I did the whole thing. Yay, me.

The only botch ended up being humourous. I made a 42-minute "face movie" in Picasa, with about 1200 pictures. I sat through the whole thing before rendering to make sure there were no inappropriate or overly embarrassing images in it. At least I thought I did. Somehow, a batch of naked-in-the-bathtub (but mostly covered up) pics from our honeymoon ended up in there....projected up on the big screen in front of an overflow crowd.

So, I opened my speech by suggesting my wife got over her excessive modesty in the afterlife and snuck the photos in there. Big laugh.

I got lots of comments after my speech praising how raw, brave and overwhelmingly honest it was. I didn't paint her as a saint -- I showed her as a frustrating, flawed, ultimately unhappy woman who we still loved anyway. I guess people aren't used to hearing anything other than nice things about dead people....but the sheer realness of my sentiments cut through.

[–]redpillnobody 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, your wife just died in front of you and you're suddenly a single parent. Cut yourself some slack.

[–]ZeeyardSAUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think about death often....We generally live life as if we will live forever yet death is inevitable. Its partly why i have so much regret in my life(Still cant shake the fact that I squandered my youth in religious fanaticism and not live the life I wanted to live) However I have to live with what I have and there is nothing that I can do about the past, look at the present and the future. It is what drives me to work to be the best Dad and husband that I can be.

I often think about her dying, think about my kids dying, think about myself dying but you know what life will carry on, we will move on and continue like the day before.

You cant control your emotions you did not plan for her to die, all you can do is know that she is no longer suffering and is no longer a burden to you.

Grieve, cry, wail and do whatever the hell you feel you need to do but your life will carry on and you will get over it.

[–]LaV-Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have close family relatives (not a wife) that I don't get along with, in fact we've done some shitty things to each other over the years. I could care less if they are in my life or not. When/if they visit they know there is zero tolerance for BS in my house. Pop off and you're leaving, I literally don't care if they're around or not.

That being said, if they died, even the worst of them, I'd experience grief for the loss of that person. Even wanting the experience of dismissing them if nothing else.

How much more so this would apply to my wife. It is not the receiving of validation that is wrong, but the wanting and expecting (and even more so the seeking).

People around us validate us constantly. In our brief interactions with strangers and in our relationships with those closest to us. It's not a bad thing. It's the seeking out and reliance on that is not alpha.

Being alpha doesn't mean you are so aloof as to not mind the passing of your wife, that's sociopathic.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's sociopathic.

Can confirm.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I won't brag about my last 3 days.

All I have to tell you... STFU and trust the red pill completely.

Invest in yourself - lift, read.

Invest in yourself - take care of your kid. Yes, that's still investing in yourself.

Like the oxygen mask in the airplane. First, put it on yourself. Then comes your kid.

Trust the red pill completely. I won't brag about my last 3 days, I won't brag about my plans. As TFA said, all we have is now. And, in the present moment, it is either "acting red" or not.

And, you better act red. If you have any doubts, just trust it completely. Things will happen you did not think that are possible. This will be your new reality. Maybe not today, maybe in 2 or 3 years, but it will.

Godspeed!

[–]screechhater 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boy, what a true statement Act "red" and trust it all the way.

[–]GC0W30 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I'd conquered my need for wifely validation, why is the thing that makes me cry the fastest that I don't have her around to tell about...well, how well I've handled shit since?

It's conditioning. Your mind hasn't really finished realizing that she's gone.

A divorced man has something similar; your habits aren't immediately subject to reality when life changes.

I can't help but think things could've been better if I'd just been a bit more .... smack me if you need to .... romantic.

It probably wouldn't have been. The guys who needed to be more romantic usually don't wind up needing TRP and its associated communities.

You've got the opportunity to test all these TRP theories once mourning and ends and logistics permit.

When my last LTR ended, I took that chance to try running RP game, also try going with my instincts, and try running what I thought of as BP game.

I hated the results, because I loved the BP lie, but... all this TRP shit won when I ran my tests.

So long as you put your offspring first during these tests, I invite you to do the same.

I feel for you, bro. Stay strong.

[–]KenMastersMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so sorry for your loss. You have to allow yourself to go through the stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. There is no particular order to these stages and you may spend longer in one stage than another. You may go through all five, you may go through only one. However you must allow yourself to grieve and only when you reach acceptance can you truly begin to rebuild yourself.

"...to be master of oneself, and never waver in one's resolve; to be cheerful when ill, or in any other predicament; the example of a character marked by a harmonious blend and gravity..."

-Meditations

[–]FireTemperedUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First, sorry about the death of your wife.

Read your whole post. You really did answer your own questions. Just keep on going, you will be fine.

[–]ecrasez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry for your loss.