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NewsThe Real Reason Polaris cards aren't available, despite increased supply. We should have known. (bitcoinist.net)

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[–]Snowshoes2 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

C'mon now, let's be honest!

The vast vast majority of the supply of the reference cards were gone on day one. Miners certainly contributed to the speed at which they ran out, but they aren't preventing new cards from being built. There is no supply!

[–]tkoham[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's partially true, but the production efforts were certainly more than a paper launch. remember the bitcoin GPU mining craze? the entire market was barren for entirely too long, and this card is twice as strong as it's predecessors for this application, for less money. That means massive demand from people with waaaaay more money than the average mid-range gamer.

[–]Mr_Game_N_WinFury X - 8850m Owner 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

wether the card is a paper launch or not is up for discussion and that is a lot.

gtx 1060 was announced, launched shortly after and you can literally right now buy AIB models under 300$ which is the FE price.

AMD knew of 1060 and launched 480 before it but supply is not there yet.

Even worse 470 and 460 aren't out yet, and I'm starting to see gtx 970's at 200$ and less .

Free market for Nvidia.....yay......

[–]OCExtremist -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously you have no idea what you're talking about. I've been following this launch very closely, and supply was not the problem. Even if AMD adjusted to that extreme of demand, no amount of production would be able to keep up, and now miners are pillaging restocking.

You clearly don't pay attention to how many people sit on 3-5 year old AMD cards, which makes sense. Nvidia fanboys have never experienced real legacy drivers.

[–]Mr_Game_N_WinFury X - 8850m Owner 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

lol....

[–]OCExtremist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

....that's it? No up sale on the precious 3.5gb 970 or rebuttal about supply & demand?

[–]tkoham[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

the difference is that the only demand pressure on the 1060 is from mid-range gamers, because it's trash at GPU mining.

The Crypto market, like it or not, is a much larger one than the gaming market. To make a dent with any kind of GPU hardware on the cryptos that utilize it, you need 10-15 high performance GPUs. because the 480 is giving 290X mining performance at half the power draw, it's worth even scalper prices to get your hands on a bunch of them if you mine, because you'll be cutting your electricity costs in half, which add up at scale.

[–]Mr_Game_N_WinFury X - 8850m Owner 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure, you believe that's the reason there has been so much delay with AIB cards, there are few models out , most just for pre order due next month, 1 month after the card is out.... because of crypto miners

ayyy

[–]tkoham[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm talking about the reference cards. It'll be the same story for the AIB cards though when they do eventually launch, though. Probably even moreso because their better cooling and power delivery warrant less risky 24/7 use

[–]WhiteZeroi7-4770K, 16GB DDR3-2100, GTX 770 2GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why? All the serious miners having been using ASIC hardware for a while now.

[–]Skratt79i5 4460 ZOTAC 750TI FOR NOW :( 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

not ethereum miners

[–]grannyte8350 @4.6GHZ 7970GHZ X2 && 4930k r9 Fury 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ether mining cannot be done on an ASIC yet

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not Bitcoin Miners, these are in demand from Ethereum and Dash miners. (these cryptocurrencies are fast growing to near the size of bitcoin, and their mining alogrithms are "asic resistant," meaning GPUs are the only competitive hardware)

[–]WhiteZeroi7-4770K, 16GB DDR3-2100, GTX 770 2GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ahh that explains that. I'm not up on this new hotness of Ethereum.

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't feel bad, neither is its creator, Vitalik buterin. He split the specification to collude with his buddies in the finance industry

[–]silveryetti94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So once it gets to hard to mine a certain currency you move to the next? It's like a never ending cycle. Like creating a yen a euro a peso and dollars.

I suppouse AMD can use this to get a little extra profit out of their gpus as long as they can keep up with demand.

[–]Krait_Haywirei5 6500 I 16GB DDR4 I RX 480 8GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Can anyone eli5 what does ether mining mean? I searched but couldn't find a definitive answer.

Sorry for the off topic question but I'm curious.

[–]HagBolder 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Imagine being paid a few internet pennies to turn your car on let it idle . That's basically all cryptocurrency in a nutshell. You waste a ton of energy letting your computer perform useless puzzles in order to create some internet money that is accepted in a couple of hundred places.

[–]LizardOfTruthAMD R9 280X | Athlon x4 860K 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

a ton of energy

Not quite. That also didn't answer the question.. you offered pretty much no insight into what cryptocurrency mining is.

Also not creating money, per se, as it was always theoretically there, just locked in a block. There are actual applications of this, and it would have a much more controlled inflation rate than the fiat currencies in use today.

[–]HagBolder 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bitcoin itself uses more energy that all of Ireland to run the blockchain and all for a shitty 2.7tps. So yeah it's a ton of energy for basically nothing.

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

this is an incredibly shortsighted view. of crypto.

[–]HagBolder 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yet amazingly all true.

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

in the same way "99% of all fraud and criminal enterprise is conducted with the US dollar, so we should restrict its use" is true. you can cherry pick facts all you like, it only makes your position less tenable in reality.

[–]mr_lemoncSoon™ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

useless puzzles

breaking private keys, passwords and such using our compute power. nsa baby

[–]LizardOfTruthAMD R9 280X | Athlon x4 860K 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You use compute on a gpu to hash keys to 'unlock' a 'block' of 'coins'. These coins have value because there was work done to obtain them. Very basic layout of a proof-of-work currency.

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So there are cryptocurrencies other than bitcoin, that still use GPUs to "mine" or create said cryptocurrency (this is an oversimplification but the easiest way to characterize it.) these currencies have up to a billion dollar market caps, meaning there's a ton of money in sing GPUs for this purpose. because the 480 is for some reason about 100% better than the entire 300 series at mining, it's in incredibly high demand from crypto miners.

[–]Hatshepsut420i3-6100 | 8 GB RAM | GTS 450 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think about your Visa or Mastercard, they take fee for your transactions because they need to maintain a huge network to process payments. In cryptocurrencies there is no central organ, each user can process payments by using his computing power (cpu, gpu, specific devices for mining) and receiving reward for it.

[–]chambred 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You receive currency for helping to maintain a massive network of holding accounts of miners in decentralized nodes known as a blockchain. These blockchains follow mathematical principles which machines can easily maintain, in bitcoin's case it is SHA256. Ether mining can subsist off of GPU resources, and it has been historically shown that these tasks run exceptionally well on the GCN's vectorized and ALU dense pipelines, making them go-to cards for mining.

[–]deiroxPhenom II waiting for Zen 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

A sale is a sale though, this must be good for AMD.

[–]tkoham[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

not when the miners return all the reference cards that get fried to hell from a month of mining.