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Having your own children is really quite the blessing, and just because today’s women are unable to think, it does not mean men have to give up on a family of our own. Women, in their zeal for free benefits, have created a system that benefits the MGTOW who wants his own family. Also, since women enjoy sex, well into their 30’s, the demand for fertility technology has grown exponentially. It is a great time to be an independent man, because we now get to have our own family too, without the additional burden of raising a “woman” child at the same time. MGTOWs before us have paved the way for the future.
Most fathers in these forums would agree that raising children is a true gift. Nowadays, however it comes wrapped around an intolerable breed of women, who are a burden on man. I suspect pleasing one’s wife takes about the same amount of energy as two children on average. Reasoned comments are welcome, as I may have just seen the worst. Perhaps they are equal to only one child?. Regardless, if you have the energy to put up with one golden uterus, you have the ability, time, and energy to be a great single father to your kids. And, you do not need a “mother” around to “help raise your kids”. Women these days on average cause more harm than good. Financially, they will drain you far more than the cost of a child or two. I do not know how it worked in the past, but women these days make poor life decisions. Either the man got to make the decisions in the past, or he controlled the money so bad decisions did not cause such harm. Regardless, you are far better off without a woman messing up your kids lives. Trust me, you can do it without their sort of help.
The Tech: Because women want to enjoy sex with many men for a longer period of time than in the past, they tend to try and have children when they are older. Unfortunately, women in their 30’s are not as fertile as they are when they are in their early 20’s. This trend grew into an incredibly large fertility industry, mostly advanced by men of course. They can now easily take your sperm, combine it with a a donor egg from a healthy woman, and create embryos for you. Each one can be your son or your daughter.
You can now have your own child, lawfully yours, without the baggage of woman. It only costs about $100,000 to get an egg and your sperm together to produce embryos and this includes the surrogate uterus to carry your son or daughter to full term. It is not a small amount, but it is certainly attainable by any MGTOW before they are 30. For an additional 25K you can probably make sure you are getting prime genetics – For example, I am short. I would want a tall, hyper-intelligent woman, who is attractive and is athletic for my egg donor. Yes, this is exactly like women do at sperm banks. I would then have embryos created with my sperm and XX top-notch genetic profile. Within 5 years, we men will be able to remove genetic diseases from these embryos. Your child will not be burdened by poor genetics, nor the rest of your offspring, forever.
Oh, kids are so expensive, women say. Well, yes and no. A child of a MGTOW will probably cost about $1500 per month for daycare & food. The second kid is about $1000 per month. These costs drop dramatically after the first 5 years. If you are not wealthy enough to pay for that, men get to take advantage of government programs designed to help children – except a MGTOW father will actually use the money for his kids. There is no shame in the State helping you raise productive citizens. Hell, I would love to know my taxes go to help raise a generation of real men and women, raised by men of honor. I trust that more than any woman.
In terms of effort, kids are a lot of work when they are young. But it is no more work than what a MGTOW might do to achieve other successes. Fortunately, MGTOW before us have given us pretty much everything we need to gets succeed through the challenging times. We have a dishwasher that takes us 10 minutes a day to use. We got a vacuum and washing machine. It takes another 20 minutes a day for both of those. Men of the last generation even gave us the microwave so we can warm up food quickly. Recent MGTOWs have invented cameras that can watch the kids for us even when they are in another room. Men invented jogging strollers that hold two kids and give us a workout.
I think we should not take for granted the men before us who saw the feminist movement for what is might become. They wanted mankind to continue after the wreckage. They gave us everything we need to have our own family without a woman. They gave us formula to make up for a women’s breast. They created daycare systems so we could still work and our children could still receive warmth and caring. They gave us all kinds of technology in the home to make it easy for us to spend real time guiding our children, instead of distracting housework. I hope that true men of honor who want to help raise tomorrow’s children understand that we do not need a women to be involved in our children’s development. (They will get all that in school). MGTOWs can have it all.
I wouldn’t be so giddy about prospects of a child from an artificial womb, fed with formula, watched after in daycares, and educated in public schools
Development requires much more than artificial replacements of natural things according to epigeneticsproud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
It only costs about $100,000 to get an egg and your sperm together to produce embryos and this includes the surrogate uterus to carry your son or daughter to full term.
Then the rented uterus decides to break your contract and keep the child. She cries in front of a judge and he agrees that she should keep custody thanks to the “tender years” doctrine and also gets to keep your $100k for the sake of the child, and now you’re on the hook for child support for the next two decades.
Regardless of the technology, with the courts and the laws the way they are it’s way too expensive and way too much risk. And not worth either. No thank you.
Surrogate law has been worked out quite well. You would be safe. Plus, you save money if your rented uterus is out of the country anyway. The law is on your side.
@Rusky
I did not say artificial womb. That is decades away (although, men might demand it much sooner). You can rent a woman to carry the baby, with no legal rights to that baby. You use your genetics and some women’s egg you pick out of a book. He or she is YOUR son or YOUR daughter at the end of 10 months.
For a few hundred dollars, you can get breast milk for that baby if that is a concern. You can also hire a nanny if you think a young woman would actually be good for you kid. I posit that kids will get all the female influence they can bear while going to school. It is a man’s job to counteract all that. And work, of course.
The thing of it is this: Any man can save 100K if he wants to have a family. Society says you need a woman too. You do not.
I say skip the whole deal. Get a vasectomy and dog. Match made in heaven.
Ideally, men would have children with real women who are raised to be boys and girls…not girls and girls. No matter how you go about it, the State does not want you to raise men. The State wants boys that are sensitive, caring, willing to knuckle-under at the mere hint of a disagreement with a female, indecisive, dependent on the opinion of others, and completely neutered and nonaggressive. The State wants to indoctrinate every boy to sacrifice himself for others. The State must be rejected. Completely. Law Makers are blind fools leading others into a ditch.
I completely agree with Russky…Formula? Day Cares? OH YEAH… drop your kid off with a stranger that dropped out of high school and earns $7.85 per hour. Your little man will be playing with dolls and being told “girls first” for eight hours a day, all year. Abort!
The world is burning as we speak. Grab a beer and watch the shit go down.
I have heard too many men at work lament that they will probably never have families. I just would like men to know that they can, even if they are of modest means.
If you’re wealthy, of course you do not let the State teach your kids. However, it does not truly matter. You can easily talk sense into your kids. They really do listen to their parent. The State created schools so the slaves could work. Schools are good enough to be babysitters and teach basics. The parent must educate the child. It has been that way for thousands of years.
Anyway, being a father is one option in life. We no longer have to deal with a woman if we choose to go that way.
I say skip the whole deal. Get a vasectomy and dog.
Vasectomy: They are dangerous. Personally, I was in pain for several years. My left nut tube grew back too. I have the kid to prove it (and yes, I got tests). I got a friend who was disabled because of his doc. You do not want me to describe that.
It is 2015 and women have men cutting up their balls by the millions every year. Fuck, how did this ever become the norm!? What will historians say?
Keep your balls gentlemen. There will be a shot or drug soon enough.
The law is on your side.
No. Not even close. I don’t know where you got that idea. A quick google search comes up with hundreds of cases where surrogates have been allowed to break their contract. Hell, surrogacy itself isn’t even legal in all states. And just what do you think is going to happen if a single man tries to go the foreign route when he tries to bring the child back home? He’ll get hammered by child “protective services” and customs.
Consider for a moment that even with the tremendous glut of unwanted children taken from incredibly incompetent druggie mothers out there, most places still won’t allow single men to even be foster parents. Even gay couples are given more credit for child rearing than single men. The instant CPS gets wind of some bizarre single father foreign surrogacy scheme, assuming it’s not just a scam to get $100k out of you, they will swoop in to “protect” the child from you.
The law is not on your side. The law is not your friend. The law sees you as nothing more than a bank account, and it sure as hell doesn’t see you as a single parent.
“By 2015, before the Great Collapse, women so dominated the culture that millions of men were forced to cut into their own testicles each year, voluntarily. Let us never forget what happens when women take over societies.”
— April 1st, 2120 We shall never Forget.
It looks like California is the only sure place to do it right now. I was definitely mistaken.
Thanks for pointing it out, Sidecar.
I don’t know if it’s just because you’re from California and the vernacular is a bit strange but…
I’m sensing a bit of a victim mentality with you as in… “millions of men were forced to cut into their own testicles”… ” women have men cutting up their balls by the millions every year”…”no shame in the State helping you raise productive citizens.”
1. Simple, painless [99.999%], unforced, procedure…paid 100% by insurance. 100% by choice. It’s helped many a man avoid being harangued.
2. If you were speaking of circumcision then your laments would be right on.
3. A wife is a proxy for the state. There is no such thing as your kid, so why advocate a work around?
4. The State can take their tax money and go fuck themselves. Or just go fuck themselves. I don’t need them. At all. No shame is the problem.You seem to have been victimized for real. Did you cash-out when your vasectomy produced suffering and a kid?
There is something peculiar about what you are advocating. I must be reading this the wrong way.
Bad shit happens under “medical supervision.” No doubt. Caveat Emptor!
It looks like California is the only sure place to do it right now. I was definitely mistaken. Thanks for pointing it out, Sidecar.
Just because it’s been successfully done in California, where there’s more of a history of surrogacy thanks to gay couples wanting children, does not mean it’s assured there. In California, like everywhere else, your rights and finances are only one crying woman in front of a judge away from total nullification. Even if the surrogate stays in California. If she moves to another state to break your contract you have no hope at all.
Even where surrogacy is legal, it is largely unregulated, which means it all comes down to the whim of the courts if things go south. So just like traditional pregnancies you’re putting your future into the hands of a woman, trusting in her to keep her word, and if she doesn’t, you’re fucked. That she’s a surrogate makes no difference.
It’s simply too much of a risk trusting your finances and your future to the whims of females and the courts. Yes some men manage to do it, but some men also manage to win the lottery. But what fool wagers his entire future on a lottery ticket?
Plenty of countries that aren’t in the west and women have less rights over children.
Maybe Islam and the Muslim world have it right and we in the Christian western world have it wrong.
I would have to be fucking stupid to want to father a child in today’s society.
Plus, society frowns down on men who raise kids without the help of women. Not only would I have to endure the “your child needs a mother” bullshit on a daily basis and the glares from passing women in public places who wonder if I’m a pedophile/child rapist, but I would have to send my kid to a school where he/she is taught about what is and isn’t politically correct, and getting a presentation from Mister Visiting Policeman in the classroom who tells them they can turn their parents in for “abuse” with a long list of things for what “abuse” is now defined as. It’d be worse off if he was a boy. Being told “hitting girls is wrong but when they hit you, it’s acceptable” and being suspended/expelled just because he bit his Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun, and generally for just being a boy. I would never want to father a child, surrogate or adopted, in this sick, degenerate world. I hate my parents enough just for bringing me into such a society to endure this shit from my point of view.
Plus, even though you are at ZERO risk of a divorce and having some woman take your money, you are at risk from the State for not raising your kid the way they WANT/EXPECT you to raise them. Ever hear of Child/Family Services? There you go. They can spirit your kid away from you at any time they consider you to not be a decent-enough parent. And the cost of raising a kid is still bordering around the average of $300,000.
Whether it’s a child being raised by good MGTOW standards or not, it’s still a too-high risk, and doesn’t guarantee happiness.
I think that it is a great idea, but it costs too much. I want to have kids one day, but i think it will be cheaper to bribe the woman to leave. I have no intention of having a real relationship with a woman. I plan to impregnate women during casual sex.
I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.
After 12 1/2 years married and 13 years of the state breathing down my neck, I am finally able to start over from scratch at 52 years old…This will never be a viable option for the older mgtow..The younger men may think this is a reasonable risk, but still there are risks…I Have one daughter and no other children are in my plans….
FIDK wrote
Most fathers in these forums would agree that raising children is a true gift.
Most fathers in this forum were robbed of the opportunity of raising their own children..An overwhelming majority in the 90% or above range..So most fathers would agree to having been deprived of a true gift maybe, but a very small fraction can attest to the correctness of your presumption. My praise and salutations to SoulMan The only single mgtow father at this forum that I know of taking an active role in raising his child..There may be more I don’t know about, but the percentage is low I am sure…
I suspect pleasing one’s wife takes about the same amount of energy as two children on average. Reasoned comments are welcome, as I may have just seen the worst.
You have only scratched the surface of the best of woman if she can be pleased at all, and hardy close enough to catch a glimpse of the worst..Pleasing the worst wife is not possible at all no matter how much time and effort you are willing to expend..
I need to learn to willfully create my passions and desires, to develop a capacity for intentional spontaneity, recognizing that without conscious choice, there is no spontaneity, only reaction and habit.
i have a 6 yr old daughter who i take care of every weekend and 2 days per week..its easy compared to living with my ex wife..the kid makes sense whereas the ex was probably undiagnosed bi-polar.i far exceed the amount of time originally agreed apon in our divorce.its a pleasure, not without emotional pain when its time to drop her back at her primary residence..she used to cry almost every time and my ex would just smirk..i have grown to understand human nature from a point i never knew existed..be the best divorced dad you can be..this kid is smart, funny, if she needed my heart to live i would give it to her and die in her place..with that said, I REGRET HAVING A CHILD ! . the world needs less people,people who keep their promises,( like for better or worse )..people who dont backstab their loved ones…..Who gets the worst in a divorce? the children.then the father,emotionaly, financialy, yes, you grow through the pain, FLOWERS GROW BEST IN SHIT. handling adversity helps one to handle more adversity with less difficulty down the road..long journey..i went my own way when i was left on my own by a woman who “loved” me so much..love is the illusion imo……getting shamed or judged simply aint why im here..im here to learn mostly,and maybe another man will avoid the “love” trap..if they read my words..especially the young men..at least i had 45 years of freedom..before the trap.a good run by most standards..i consider child support the ” fee to procreate” in our brave new world ..it dont come cheap..be warned..if you dont already know.
ALL Women Meet The Clinical Definition Of Psychosis.
I don’t want children period. Not because I hate children, it’s because what the world have become these days. If a child grows up to a woman she will be hateful of men or at least hard time getting serious dates. If a child grows up to a young man he will suffer due to the laws and the way women play games with men.
I don’t think it’s possible for me to have a girlfriend let alone have sex with them. Children out of the question. Condoms and kegel exercise is the way to go. Also you can take testosterone shots to prevent pregnancy, it can also help a man lose weight if he’s over weight.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
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