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Non-Koreans are probably not aware, but the past 3 days on Korean internet were a complete shitshow.
Note that I'm summarizing quite a bit.
The incident started with a voice actor for a Korean Online game called Closers posting a T-shirt she bought.
The shirt only says "Girls don't need a prince" which, by itself, doesn't seem like a problem.
The problem lay with the creators of the T shirt, a website called Megalia.
Megalia is a feminazi website that is pretty much universally hated on the Korean internets. Their purpose on the website actually said at one point "promoting misandry and female supremacy."
Examples of incidents they caused include spread of child pornography they produced with a little boy, celebrating the Korean War because so many men died, kindergarten teacher admitting that she was a pedophile (actively saying that she wants to fuck the little kids), filming the men's changing rooms/restrooms, poisoning their male bosses, sharing pics of mutilated penises, falsely accusing a webtoon author as a rapist, harassing many male authors in the industry etc. etc. etc. There's pretty much someone getting arrested weekly. (And yes. In Korea, you could sue someone online for the things they said and done online, even if it's anonymous)
The said T shirt was created to fund legal costs for people who have been sued for their crimes on the website. Biggest one being covering the legal costs for the woman who falsely accused that one author of being a rapist.
Anyways, when the said voice actor posted a pic on her twitter, people asked if she knew who made that T shirt. She said she knew, and told people that Megalia stood for female rights and promotes feminism (which is not true).
This caused fans of the game to rise and complain to Nexon, which resulted in the said voice actor's clips being deleted and her contract not being renewed. (not fired. she did what she was hired for. Nexon just removed all her voice clips and decided to take damage)
Cue the shit show.
Many Manwhakas, webtoon artists, game devs, illustrators, singers, light novel writers, voice actors, scholars, and even politicians started joining in the scene, saying that the voice actor was fired just because of that T shirt and it goes against equivalent rights and so on.
And people were trying to explain to bunch of these people that The T shirt itself is not the problem, but it's the organization that created it, and the money that it's going to be used for that's the problem.
But they're not listening.
Instead, bunch of these idiots believe that they're on the right side, calling the opposers misogynists and banning bunch of people from their websites and twitters.
Some even started calling their readers and fans just slaves that bring them money, and they don't stand on equal ground to even discuss any of these issues. This became the final straw for most people.
Add people who don't even know what the hell is going on, joining in just because they saw the words "feminism" and "misogyny," adding fuel to the fire. These people created echo chambers for the said authors and they simply refuse to listen, and instead calling everyone else retarded neanderthals who don't even deserve to read their webtoons.
Many of these authors calling their fans their slaves, dogs, pigs, whatever (Korean curse words don't translate that well) turned out to be artists working for Lezhin Comics. (where all the NSFW stuff comes from).
Lezhin comics was basically seen as what we'd view Steam as over in the West. While most contents are paid content, it guaranteed authors with set salaries + incentives based on people buying their books and chapters, rather than what most other websites were doing - getting paid only by popularity, views, and ad revenues.
Basically, it was considered the savior of the graphic novel industry that was burned down 30 years ago (literally. It's a long story)
Now, people are getting sick of these guys, hundreds of people requested Lezhin for refunds (causing huge damage) and in case the refund could not be honored, buying contents of the authors that suffered from Megalia previously (and that one author who got his first pay the day before the shitshow started. Sympathy is strong)
The Aftermath? (well, it's still ongoing)
Lezhin's upper brass is panicking like hell because they recently got 50 Million dollar investment, this shit show is happening, people are deleting their accounts and requesting refunds, etc. The investors are beginning to make their move.
There's this new censorship law which wished to censor webtoons. People were against it, but many people are actively and supporting it now, saying these idiots we used to be fans of deserve it.
the fans/readers are feeling VERY betrayed at the fact that the authors were viewing them as gophers bringing them fame and money. Nothing else, nothing more.
Many are making blacklists and boycotting. (which is already seeing some effect, as some illustrators and devs are already getting fired)
It took 30 years to change the image of industry from immature loons taking money from children and poisoning their minds, to actual artists with visions and messages.
Well that 30 years just burned down to the ground.
TLDR: People of industry caught in feminazi scheme. Refuses to acknowledge their mistake. Truly believes that their money will go for feminist movement and female equality. (Or do they?) Instead, the money will go to misandric criminals to cover their legal costs. Fans try to correct them. Authors, illustrators, etc. instead form an echo chamber. Starts calling their fans slaves whose only job is to bring them money. Fans fucking pissed. Boycotting ensues. Businessmen panicking. Authors still have no idea what they did wrong. Few hardcore fans are sucking their asses.
UPDATE: hahahahaha I need to add this. Someone called Disney and reported one of the artists selling NSFW doujinshi of disney and marvel characters. She also made her own figurines and stuff. bye~~~
Jesus fuck, some people captured all of this fiasco and sent to huge Christian organization, PTA, and the censorship dept.
Some authors changed their twitter profile picture into their actual faces, and changed the handle to their real name. This allows them to file a lawsuit to people talking shit about them.
Author of Denma pretty much confirmed that she's part of the site. Fans despairing.
For the Sake of Sita confirmed. Fuck. I love her stuff. Fuck. (http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=webtoon&no=1009382)
Someone claiming to be in high position in a big company said that they updated the manual on how to take care of Ilbe (the male equivalent to Megal that was problem some time ago) to include Megalian.
Evidence Megalian is covering the legal cost for the pedophile kindergarten teacher: (http://imgur.com/CeTBfOe)
aaaaaay Toptoon's 동창모임 has been removed. First thing you see when you go on the website is their official statement (http://toptoon.com/weekly). People who paid for it are getting full refunds. Lezhin's getting more shit because they're not taking action.
Some lawsuits were filed by fans. It went through.
UPDATE 2: Fuck. Now it ignited the politics scene. Basically the opposing party to the current ruling party backstabbed a crap ton of supporters and now there's bunch of people quitting the party.
More fuel added to the fire due to some women trying to pretend to be men to undermine the opposing side, asking others to pretend to be men and start some shit. http://imgur.com/KbCkDTD
The author of DICE posted stuff supporting Megalia. The title actually said "I don't know much about this but..." Promptly deleted his post. People are attacking him now. Already had a lot of haters because of Pink Lady incident.
Update 3: mmk, seeing more major authors apologizing. For some reason it's coming up all at once, so people are assuming that it's just for their face before it gets worse. Yeah, apology is not getting accepted.
Update 4: Fuck. One of the assistants of Tower of God turned out to be part of this. He talked shit about the readers parents (talking shit about your parents is a huge taboo zone in Korea, and will get you a lawsuit for sure)
update 5: According to SIU, the assistant stepped down from her position. But the assistant claims that she was fired unfairly because of misogyny http://imgur.com/agkWKb5
Well, they declared themselves feminazis. Don't talk shit about me anymore http://imgur.com/4kxNqn8
Writer for Space China Dress tweets and hashtags I'm "megalian" http://imgur.com/E1QcDuR. The writer already had fair share of haters. When some people complained about it being a little too sexual, he pinned it all on the artist and the series was axed due to the conflict between him and the artist.
...well, over 10000 people outed as being megalian on twitter with the hashtag...
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[–]Centipedian 339 points340 points341 points  (44 children)
Korea seems to be quite the interesting place. THanks for writing all this out I never would have known about something like this.
[–]stae1234[S] 138 points139 points140 points  (12 children)
The internet culture is pretty dynamic and events that occurred in the past are well documented. Super interesting yes :)
[–]esca6angel 27 points28 points29 points  (4 children)
I did know about Korean's interesting internet and gaming laws, but this is a whole new section that I didn't even know about.
[–]stae1234[S] 47 points48 points49 points  (3 children)
yeah, there's a family tree for how communities came to be and their conflicts with others.
It's really funny how speaking informally online and cursing at other people online can be traced back to a single person. Before he came by everyone was so respectful and formal.
[–]ANyTimEfOu 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
A single person?? Who?
[–]abelcc 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
The infamous hacker 4chan
[–]Etonet 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
got a link or something?
[–]youngjabberwocker 15 points16 points17 points  (6 children)
Netizen in Korea is always bad news for some people, but I can understand why things ended up the way they did. I still remember Tablo and that retarded Stanford scandal where netizens wanted proof....
Also, 너 한국 사람이야?
[–]SerberusOne 57 points58 points59 points  (9 children)
Didn't know Koreans have a feminazi orgazination , so this is new . This is what happen when ppl have too much time ...
[–]stae1234[S] 72 points73 points74 points  (8 children)
it started as a parody of sorts, but it mutated into a real thing.
[–]stae1234[S] 48 points49 points50 points  (0 children)
YUP.
[–]ZombieTesticle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Sort of like the SJW movement in general if you look at how it originated.
[–]kawarazu 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Poe's Law.
[–]supersaiyandragons 56 points57 points58 points  (20 children)
Honestly, this isn't even the worst part of it. My mother, who lived there for most of her life, once told me: "The worst thing about my country are the people, they hate each other more than anything else in the entire world, even if they pretend not to." And honestly, I find this to be very true, Koreans are some of the most vain and judgement group of people I've ever met or been a part of. My mother had faced serious discrimination just for marrying a white man. I've met many Korean friends who were bullied for liking certain non-Korean things or not fitting into popular cliques, etc (there's a reason bullying and suicide rates are super high in Korea). I love Korea, it's a country I had many fond memories of; however, I still have other memories having seen the country at its true dark nature.
[–]Kallamez 57 points58 points59 points  (2 children)
I assure your mother, as much as koreans may look like they hate each other, in reality, they hate the japanese like nothing else.
[–]supersaiyandragons 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
I have tested this, my mother and I visited Japan for a week, she found it too congested as a society and resents them in different ways. However, my mother is from Gwangju, and if you know anything about what happened there, you will find out that Korea has become something similar to a city-state system in which Koreans are more loyal to their home-cities and actively hate other cities simply for supporting certain politicians, etc. This, from my understanding, is more accumulative in a daily Korean life than whatever the Koreans think of Japan and Dokdo or whatever.
[–]postblitzhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/postblitz 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
No kidding. There's a piece on Extra History on your greatest national hero and while his achievements are remarkable, the biggest obstacle he's faced were his own people most of the time.
I'm from Romania and we have a somewhat similar problem in that our greatest leaders were all betrayed and died as a consequence. It feels very strange to utterly dislike your own people but you can't help but think it's due to our position between empires we both have.
[–]stae1234[S] 29 points30 points31 points  (10 children)
There's a saying in Korea. If you decide to move to another country, don't EVER trust the Koreans.
Not only are we xenophobic as fuck, but also judgemental about anyone who's not part of the norm.
[–]supersaiyandragons 20 points21 points22 points  (9 children)
Everything about this is 100% true, also never trust Korean churches, like ever. Two in my area got in trouble for pyramid schemes and another was found illegally smuggling immigrants from Korea
[–]stae1234[S] 23 points24 points25 points  (4 children)
Korean churches are where people show their true color.
It turns into mini political hell where people try to find the right side to join and develops into partisan politics.
[–]OhLookANewAccount 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Ha, fuck. I met a Korean dance mom last year, she was the most abusive and foul woman I have ever met. She forced her daughter to attempt to sabotauge my sisters dancing routines and competitions, going so far as to lead my sister to the wrong venue while claiming that her schedule got changed last minute due to an accident.
I honestly thought that the family was just fucked to the damn extreme until I met her husband. Super laid back guy who took me aside and filled me in that his wife was just a korean asshole and to not take it personally. She treated everyone in the world that way.
[–]youngjabberwocker 9 points10 points11 points  (3 children)
Same here. My local Korean church no longer exists due to some random drama/scandal rift that split the entire thing apart. Given, all of my friends are there but we can just hang out outside of the church.
Don't even get me started on the church camps for the youth groups where it's 99% guys hitting on girls away from their parents. I never want to be a counselor for that again.
[–]RoboWarriorSrRoboWarrior 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
I'm lucky my Korean church isn't like that so far.
[–]Logitech0 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Koreans are some of the most vain and judgement group of people
This explain the "South Korea is the plastic surgery capital of the world"...
[–]Centipedian 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
I'm an Asian American (parents from South Asia) and some of these mentalities are consistent with them too. especially things like interracial marriages so I can sympathize
[–]toospace 188 points189 points190 points  (20 children)
Damn, I hope my pr0n manwhas don't go to shit.
[–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 76 points77 points78 points  (8 children)
Sweet Guy author is going into surgery so probably didn't have time to deal with this shit
[–]toospace 22 points23 points24 points  (5 children)
Probably, I hope he/she does well and recovers soon. I like Brawling Go! more though, less NTR bullshit and more vanilla overall.
[–]vincevuu 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
You should check out Perfect Half and Lady garden! Up our alley ;)
[–]PossiblyAsian 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
well I feel terrible for feeling glad he is in surgery so he isn't wrapped up in the shitstorm. Hopefully he makes a full recovery
[–]OneechanCocoa 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I hope it goes well. I need train girl NTR in my life.
[–]stae1234[S] 36 points37 points38 points  (0 children)
there's always a market.
[–]CrowleyEusford 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
This man knows what he is talking about
[–]-Krysys-http://myanimelist.net/animelist/-Krysys- 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
Lightsabers for the win!
[–]vincevuu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
We jedi must remain strong.
[–]Blu- 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
So like Korean hentai? Where?
[–]JakuskrzypkMyAnimeList 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Sweet guy, Brawling go, SStudy etc.
[–]Wakefulpizza 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I mean I guess Brawling Go falls under that category but the story is quite interesting as well
[–]gril69 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
I think the webtoons on yomanga are safe
[–]professionalevilstar 262 points263 points264 points  (24 children)
Okay here's the less biased TL;DR that's still about as fucked up:
  • a while back a member of a self-professed feminist website Megalia accused a webtoon artist MindC of rape.
  • this turned out to be completely false, and it was pretty obvious when the accuser apparently didn't even recognise who MindC was when the police was involved.
  • Megalia, regardless, defended their own member and went on to frame MindC of other crimes of misogynistic nature.
  • MindC responded by sueing everyone involved, and many of them were tried and found guilty by law.
  • Megalia started a crowdfunding campaign, wherein if you donated certain amount of money to cover the legal costs, you get this t-shirt that says 'girls don't need a prince'.
  • fast forward a few days back, a voice actress in Nexon's game posted a picture of her wearing the t-shirt on twitter, and it blew up.
  • Nexon terminated their contract in response.
  • Then the shitstorm for real started as people started defending the VA's 'right to wear the t-shirt' and other shenanigans. Among them were some of the more prominent new webtoon artists from around the community.
  • they took a lot of flak. Some people realised what Megalia really was and apologised, but other people stood by their remark and started even more flaming war.
  • during this shitstorm, some of these webtoon artists started posting twitter messages like 'the readers don't deserve my talent' 'if you don't like me, then don't read my work' or 'Comment/rating system is completely useless and makes the readers feel as though they matter'.
  • This showed the complete lack of professionalism prevalent in the current Webtoon system, and people are finding themselves disillusioned to say the least. What kind of author tells their readers they don't matter? That, artists can live without their readership base?
  • ...FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
[–]stae1234[S] 117 points118 points119 points  (11 children)
Can confirm. This is it. I'm probably very biased since some artists that I was a fan of made fun of their fans.
[–]professionalevilstar 64 points65 points66 points  (2 children)
yeah I knew you had the truth of it, but I thought the emotionally-charged tone of the original post might not do the situation due justice.
Fuuuuuuck. This is going to be bad for everyone involved :(
[–]stae1234[S] 28 points29 points30 points  (1 child)
no kidding :(
Part of me wishes things to burn down. I didn't live with a stigma on me for people who talk to their fans like that.
Another part of me wishes that everything return to status quo, but that's not going to solve anything...
[–]ajs824 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Just have everyone agree to show up the next day and pretend this never happened.
[–]ajs824 36 points37 points38 points  (3 children)
'the readers don't deserve my talent'
How deluded can these webtoon authors/artists be... They are making webtoons for christs sake. Do they think they are Picasso?
I would keep reading what I enjoy regardless of what the author said but I would probably consider not lining their pockets anymore.
So yeah they are really shooting themselves in the foot here.
[–]stae1234[S] 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
hell, an entire forum for aspiring artist are making fun of readers.
[–]PossiblyAsian 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
well take a look at Dayz. A vast majority of people thinks the developers just grabbed the money and ran away, the developers think they are some sort of god and that it's the consumers who are wrong and then there are the diehard fans over at /r/dayz who refuses to acknowledge that their game is shit and that their developer left them
You give these people affirmation of what they do and suddenly their ego blows up. It seems like it's human nature by this point
[–]tigrn914 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Well no. The original dev of the mod left. There's still active development. Just really fucking slow.
For the record I haven't touched DayZ since February of 2014.
It took them almost two years to release a reasonably performing engine. Realistically, development should now move forward extremely quickly. I give it another year before release, but in terms of game development it's pretty standard timeline. Early Access just brought people in who don't understand how an alpha works.
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    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    She wrote public apology, telling everyone to calm down, that this was nothing to go so extreme over....
    but she ended the apology by saying that she did nothing wrong in supporting the creators of T shirt so....
    [–]PM_ME_TITS_MLADY 56 points57 points58 points  (0 children)
    LOL THE READERS DONT DESERVE MY TALENTS HAHAHAHA. BY GOD THAT IS THE MOST HILARIOUSLY STUPID THINGS YOU COULD SAY.
    Holy shit these fucks have their ego stuck right up their ass real deep.
    [–]stae1234[S] 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    okay.... take this with a grain of salt like always.... but...
    Fuck. The tweets are from one of the authors of Lezhin/AA Media. This guy is one of the primary aggressors, with most screenshots floating around.
    He just posted that he was in a meeting and the rep said "it looks like there isn't going to be that much damage. If anything, it will work as a viral marketing. Carry on."
    This is rep from AA Media, an agency that supplies Lezhin with authors to serialize porn manwha.
    People are now thinking that authors that were directly contracted by Lezhin are controllable (which are the high profile ones not saying anything), but ones from that agency are uncontrollable and may have a significant advantage in things on contract, which is why they're going wild, and Lezhin is not doing anything.
    [–]alex70031 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Can you tell me what authors it is so I can just flat out stop reading their works?
    [–]Luxeroy 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    So wait, are the authors of the webtoons with the feminist group or no? Cuz that's pretty shitty what they did, either way, but I don't see how it's related.
    [–]stae1234[S] 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    we don't know whether or not they are affiliated.
    They're just refusing to change their views while slandering many.
    Which resulted in people making the assumption that they are part of it. I don't think people care at this point because of the disillusionment. People are basically hating these guys because wherever they are, what they said are inexcusable.
    [–]doodep 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Dumb people defend dumb women doing dumb shit
    More news at 11
    :/
    [–]neujosh 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    This is so sad. Does anyone know if any Naver/Webtoons.com artists are involved with this fiasco? Or is it only adult-comic artists?
    [–]OhLookANewAccount 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    'if you don't like me, then don't read my work'
    Ha, I've seen this in Webcomics across the world. Only idiots behave that way.
    [–]UberThetan 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    This has so many overlaps with Gamergate. A bit more cut-and-dried in some ways because Megalia is an obvious shit-site. But all the same elements are there - women can't be criticized else you're a misogynist. Media doesn't take responsibility for their hack work and non-research. Instead of apologizing they toss their readership under the bus.
    It's disgusting.
    [–]llec 90 points91 points92 points  (29 children)
    Haven't heard about this, but it seems like the gamergate shit that went down a little while ago.
    [–]stae1234[S] 32 points33 points34 points  (28 children)
    now that I think about it, yeah. It does.
    though this issue has no greyzones if you know the full detail.
    [–]Holokaustinen 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
    This part especially sounds like the "Gamers are Dead" articles that sparked the whole incident:
    Some even started calling their readers and fans just slaves that bring them money, and they don't stand on equal ground to even discuss any of these issues. This became the final straw for most people.
    [–]stae1234[S] 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    humans are humans I guess.
    [–]javierm885778 34 points35 points36 points  (10 children)
    Everything has gray zones.
    [–]JakuskrzypkMyAnimeList 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
    Founding criminals or not seems pretty black and white to me
    [–]AbedeusAkito 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
    Or kidnapping children. Or selling drugs to teenagers. Or animal abuse. Or rape.
    [–]cordlc 15 points16 points17 points  (13 children)
    If you followed Gamergate from the start, it didn't seem to have greyzones either. It was a clear case of the actual fans versus the media.
    Instead, bunch of these idiots believe that they're on the right side, calling the opposers misogynists and banning bunch of people from their websites and twitters.
    Surprise, Gamergate had the exact same problem, because they aren't the ones in control of the media. If you're struggling with the same fight, good luck.
    As for "feminism," it sounds great on the surface, but it's always used as a weapon for control, as we've seen here. Note that feminism itself doesn't have a monopoly on women's rights, there was even a huge pushback recently by women rallying against feminism.
    Anyway, I first noticed this event posted earlier in the GG subreddit, though yours has been worded much clearer, so thanks!
    [–]Screye 33 points34 points35 points  (9 children)
    Gamergate was really weird.
    In the beginning, I was a staunch supporter of it. The "Gamers are dead" and "All gamers are mysogynists" articles were absolute bullshit and the media got what they deserved. This wasn't misogyny, it was strong discontent regarding ethics in media. It was well organized and had strong anti harassment stances. The "inform rather than abuse" stance allowed for /r/KotakuInAction to be a place for good discussions and discourse. Today, almost every outlet clearly highlights when content is sponsored and disclaimers are more common place.
    The movement more or less achieved what they had set out to. Gawker got fucked, Polygon went from dead to deader, and there was a general shift from "gaming journalist outlets" to "Good youtube channels". A few good journalists apologized and the big feminazis seem to now be dead for good.
    Some time after this, things started getting weird. The idea of Gamergate (which was a very specific occurrence) was extended to more general things with zero new nuance of those general phenomenon. We began to see more of /r/theredpill and anti-censorship supporters on GG platforms. People started becoming more polarized, by blindly supporting those in social media who supported GG. Anyone anti-censorship, anti-Feminazi was heralded as a hero. Some of them seemed like women haters and others anarchists taking anti establishment stances.
    It's funny. Like after the whole thing achieved what it had to and the genuine followers left, the only ones that remained were anti-censorship fold, sexists and the crazy people.
    [–]Concheria 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
    You summarized it nicely. I always thought Kotaku and Gawker were shit for years, and I wasn't surprised at all when so many issues started arising. It wasn't even political IMO, just that gaming (may due to its 'immature' perception) never had publications with true journalistic standards, but less-than-desirable clickbait blogs and editors who let their leftist politics seep in their writing. Honestly, seeing Gawker hurt was very satisfying considering how terrible they had been through the years.
    Then it became political and it all went to shit. Breitbart got involved. People like Yiannopolous and other assholes looking to leverage their influence at the expense of young undecided people showed up and took advantage of the whole situation. Being behind gamergate meant agreeing with these people's politics and mostly conservative ideas. Then conservativism somehow became about freedom of expression, and this, plus many people from subs like TiA (May rest in peace) who couldn't distinguish satire, allowed a strange black and white perception that if you didn't agree with everything these 'influencers' said you were an evil SJW who wanted to kill white men - this, in turn, created hordes of people who now see everything outside the Trump worldview as a conspiracy by some sort of liberal media that wants to see them dead... and now you have a new generation of reactionaries and alt-righters illustrating some of the worst things in humanity.
    Of course, most of us abandoned ship when we realized how one sided the whole thing was becoming and how very obviously some people were only using it for political gain. And thankfully I don't support Trump or shitpost on The_Donald, but I can't say I didn't enjoy it deeply every time I saw Gawker do their terrible damage control and alienating its own readers.
    Edit for grammer.
    [–]NewAcc04nt 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    It's a difficult time to be moderate when hyperbole is the only thing that gets peoples attention any more. I still find it ironic that I stopped reading Kotaku back in 2008 because I was annoyed by the number of cosplay articles (mostly of girls) they posted each day.
    [–]Screye 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Feels good to know someone who understands.
    I really like the stance TB took on it. He supported GG initially, then stopped using the name and focused on ethics in media and later smartly noped out of it when it all went to shit.
    [–]dIoIIoIbhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/dIoIIoIb 134 points135 points136 points  (13 children)
    regardless of what anyone thinks about the femminism thing, authors insulting thier readers and calling them slaves looks like a really stupid thing to do, even assuming that those authors were in the right at the start, after that the readers are totally justified in jumping ship
    really sucks for the industry (even if i'm on the probably unpopular opinion that 99% of webtoons are complete asscrap anyway and mowing down a bunch of them can't be too bad in the long run)
    [–]stae1234[S] 29 points30 points31 points  (12 children)
    most of really good webtoons (imo) are behind a paywall or have been removed from scanlation scene :(
    [–]esca6angel 4 points5 points6 points  (8 children)
    That's really ashamed because there are some good ones that I really enjoy reading.
    [–]stae1234[S] 21 points22 points23 points  (7 children)
    at least Lookism is being translated. That one is THE most popular webtoon in Korea. Period.
    It's pretty correct in many depictions of Korean culture.
    [–]5thEagle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Is it? Impressive.
    It is pretty good...
    [–]Cessum 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    Could you list a few webtoons that have been removed?
    [–]_ribbonflower_ 43 points44 points45 points  (14 children)
    No matter who is right or wrong (it's pretty obvious to be honest), under no circumstances that an author can insult his fanbase, the one that feeds him and makes him relevant. Pretty sure if this is Japan, they would have press conference and the author would bow down and apologize.
    [–]stae1234[S] 29 points30 points31 points  (13 children)
    EXACTLY.
    instead they're talking about making others join their cause to make the blacklist bigger so that no one would care anymore.
    seriously. Who tells their fans they don't deserve to read their stuff when its the fans that feed them?
    [–]seihanda 5 points6 points7 points  (12 children)
    Can you tell me who's those artists ??
    [–]stae1234[S] 14 points15 points16 points  (11 children)
    Most of these authors they have no works translated in English.
    Significant ones are Americano Exodus, Denma, The Dragon Next Door, Oh My God!
    the naver ones. as they're the most popular.
    [–]seihanda 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
    What about The gamer, lookism and que sera sera's artist ??
    Since they're from naver and lezhin
    [–]stae1234[S] 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
    They're good. Not a single comment from them.
    [–]seihanda 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    thabks god, they're quite popular here.
    Btw i visit some site like asianjunkie and netizenbuzz but i can't find anything regarding this incident
    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    well, kpop/kdrama industry isn't involved so....
    [–]seihanda 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Ah so neither idols, nor famous tv personality like yoo jae suk involved. that explain it.
    Though i realy want to read about it more
    Anyway, quality post you write there
    [–]stae1234[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    pretty risky for idols or TV personality to get involved.
    Some were involved with male equivalent site in the past and disappeared for a while.
    [–]Zamio1 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Is there anything from Tower Of Gods author? I think he's Naver too.
    [–]Torden5410 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
    Another lesson on how extremists are awful and how action based on nothing but emotion and ignorance is worse.
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    with all the incidents happening all over the world, yeah.
    [–]larkan22 27 points28 points29 points  (14 children)
    what?
    Only thing i don't know is why did they swear at their fans? that doesn't seem like a smart thing to do...
    Keeping your mouth in check is very important in these kind of scenarios
    [–]stae1234[S] 24 points25 points26 points  (12 children)
    Exactly. This is why many fans are feeling betrayed.
    [–]aimanicose 1 point2 points3 points  (11 children)
    Some even started calling their readers and fans just slaves that bring them money, and they don't stand on equal ground to even discuss any of these issues. This became the final straw for most people.
    So why doesn't lezhin just fire those retard authors and make a public apology explaining what they did , even announce their support to their readers ?
    [–]stae1234[S] 22 points23 points24 points  (10 children)
    No idea. Some small game companies already fired their devs and illustrators who joined in. Apparently we're getting an official statement this Monday.
    One guy claiming to work for Lezhin's PR dept was saying that everyone is waaaaay down in the dumps. While authors have no idea what they caused.
    [–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
    Keep us updated on this! This drama is way juicier than anything the western internet has put out recently. The biggest we've got is all the hubbub around the Ghostbusters reboot.
    [–]dragon-ble 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Lol, "Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn"
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    The whole T.Swift thing is kinda interesting. But then I guess It's same ol drama.
    [–]flamfranky 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Many of these authors calling their fans their slaves, dogs, pigs, whatever
    yeah, lets insult our customer. We sure they will buy our product because they know we are right /s
    how many times someone use this kind of tactic and how many times does it work? People sure never learn.
    [–]inhospitable 15 points16 points17 points  (23 children)
    damn this shit is nuts! all I want to know is... how will tower of god be effected? was SIU one of the cunty authors?
    I need my ToG fix
    [–]stae1234[S] 38 points39 points40 points  (17 children)
    ToG is good.
    Top-tier authors are not saying a word. (first and second generation artists)
    It's mostly the new guys (third generation artists) causing damage.
    [–]Cyclops1i2u 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
    Does that mean that The Breaker author is clear of the storm as well?
    [–]stae1234[S] 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
    indeed he is.
    [–]Berserk72MangaUpdates 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Thanks for confirmation. =D
    Looks like the authors I have enjoyed are all clean. Feels good.
    [–]Pand9 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Both? There's two of them.
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    both.
    they went through way too much shit in the past to get involved in a matter like this.
    [–]YagamiYuu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Could you tell me more about this ?
    I knew something happened in the past that affect both authors of the Breaker and in turn it make The Breaker : New Wave a mesh of repeating main char turn into zombie mode and start wrecking shit.
    [–]drynoa 9 points10 points11 points  (7 children)
    thank god i was scared that i couldnt get my fix
    [–]stae1234[S] 21 points22 points23 points  (6 children)
    SIU always gets shit for his art and dragged out story. He's probably immune to these things.
    [–]Matrim_Cauthon22 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
    But the art right now is gorgeous or do some people in Korea not like his art style ?
    [–]stae1234[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    It's definitely above average, but there are better art. Kind of unfair comparisons here and there.
    [–]ryzvonusefhttps://www.mangaupdates.com/mylist.html?id=391256&list=read 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    Huh, i would have thought SIU would get more love, given the effort he puts in
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    The more popular something is, you get proportional amount of haters.
    recently the story picked up nicely, so it took back it's position has most popular webtoon for monday though.
    [–]Luxeroy 45 points46 points47 points  (37 children)
    Can someone verify this? Want to make sure that I'm not only getting one side of the story.
    [–]DanceDark 28 points29 points30 points  (0 children)
    I feel the same way. I'd prefer that our source is more impartial, but if you google Magalia, there are some other websites that agree that the group is pretty extremist, though it's still a possibility that finding other sites biased against Magalia is common because the internet isn't exactly a 100% feminist friendly place.
    One piece of seemingly objective information I found that can help us draw a conclusion is that the roots of the organization, when it was a forum about MERS, stemmed from making a place radically pro-female to mirror how some places are misogynistic, i.e. "fight hate with hate". Whether that origin philosophy is maintained in the current company isn't something I can objectively determine.
    [–]jinjin5000 5 points6 points7 points  (15 children)
    This kind of shit have been just waiting to explode in Korea for while now.
    [–]stae1234[S] 7 points8 points9 points  (14 children)
    there's one every month man.
    [–]jinjin5000 4 points5 points6 points  (13 children)
    Lots of resentment against feminists in Korea too.
    [–]stae1234[S] 30 points31 points32 points  (12 children)
    real feminists are cool. It's people who don't understand what it stands for that's the problem.
    [–]5thEagle 2 points3 points4 points  (11 children)
    How's the state of the feminist movement in Korea, especially among the more level headed? I spent last summer in Daejeon and got around to a few other cities, and while it seemed very sexist, I didn't get the impression too many average people were actively oppressing women or anything. Curious to know what the state is today, especially with all the liberal movements in the Western world.
    [–]stae1234[S] 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
    I haven't lived in Korea for a long time, and the only exposure right now is through online communities (which are extremely biased). All I can say is that there are many sensible, level-headed activists, but the vocal minority is a big problem. Basically the same thing happening on tumblr and reddit's reaction to it.
    There's also issue with Confucianism being so ingrained in our culture that undermines female position.
    There's evidences in the past of the Korean peninsula being very progressive in terms of position of females in society, but that changed with our country becoming very Confucian over the last two centuries. Also Japanese occupation instilled a lot of Japanese view of females to Koreans, which wasn't good for female social standing either.
    disclaimer: I'm a normal dude. I'm spewing out my views.
    [–]cookie-thief 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
    while it seemed very sexist
    didn't get the impression too many average people were actively oppressing women or anything
    I'm kind of curious what people think "active oppression" looks like tbh
    [–]adeliepingu 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
    My guess is that for most people, 'very sexist' would refer to the culture being sexist (e.g. people believing in and supporting negative gender-based stereotypes), while 'active oppression' would more refer to institutional sexism (e.g. people not being allowed to do certain jobs or wear certain things because of their gender).
    For example, telling your girlfriend to 'go back to the kitchen' would be sexist, but it's not really 'oppression' because she can choose to not listen to you, dump you, etc. However, if you could beat her for not listening to you and not have to worry about repercussions, that would be oppressive.
    It's all nuance in the end, though. People have different and varying criteria for what qualifies as 'sexism' and 'oppression,' and a lot of arguments on the internet seem to be over whose definitions of certain words are correct. :<
    [–]NFB42 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Just as an aside, to give an actual historical example: Up until like the 60's in most Western countries, women would upon getting married legally cease to own any property and everything they owned before was now owned by their husbands.
    Married women who, say, tried to buy a car or anything expensive could expect to be asked "does your husband know about this?"
    [–]5thEagle 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I mean, I think sexism is pretty definitively active oppression. Not sure how to word that though.
    [–]professionalevilstar 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    yeah it's true. Some members of self-professed feminist website Megalia falsely accused a webtoon artist MindC of rape. They were obviously found out and the prosecution is pushing for a guilty verdict.
    Megalia started the t-shirt sales/crowdfunding to fund the defence for these rape-accusers.
    Cue shitstorm.
    [–]annnm 10 points11 points12 points  (17 children)
    For real..
    People of industry caught in feminazi scheme.
    What the hell haha. It could be true, but it could not be written more insanely than this. Dude below said that the group themselves co-opted the term. One wonders whether they just took the term or if they knowingly took the term.
    But I mean, if we're to assume the story, we're to assume that webartists are too stupid to see through the obvious deception. Or that there exists massive amounts of support for what seems like the equivalent of gender PETA. There are just a lot of claims that is making one side seem extraordinarily unreasonable. And again, that could be true. But only just consider how differently BLM seems from a liberal to a conservative. it seems like we're getting the conservative slant of this story. Which isn't to say that it's wrong, just that it seems opinionated.
    additionally, i think it's worth wondering how OP plays into the picture. There is literally no shortage of people who have been in japan for less than a month or whatever and are ready to offer their unabashed and ill formed opinions as fact about life in japan. I'd very much like to know OP's credentials into the matter.
    [–]stae1234[S] 46 points47 points48 points  (16 children)
    OP's credentials into the matter.
    Average dude. Recent college grad. Prepping for grad school.
    Lived in Korea for 10 years, mother is friends with some really famous author (in Korea), kind of friends with some new authors.
    Anyways, currently the issue is getting skewed from the original point on large scale due to more people joining in.
    It's starting to go from
    The VA got fired for her T-shirt vs No the T-Shirt is not the problem
    to
    Are you Megalian or not Megalian
    to
    Men vs Women
    Vast majority of people don't know what Megalian is, nor do they want to change their opinions on anything apparently.... Going on Korean side of facebook is cancerous.
    There's a... thing in Korean culture where anyone older is automatically more credible, and they refuse to change their minds on anything...yeah.
    As for my negativity with the website involved, probably very biased, as I'm active user on a Korean site that's used by them as scapegoat for everything. I've seen them come and go quite a bit.
    as with anything online, a grain of salt for everything.
    [–]annnm 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    i appreciate your providing your background. it certainly makes it more credible than your average hearsay. 10 years in the country is not a negligible amount of time. And i also appreciate your providing your take on the issue to us.
    [–]nanosystem 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    as I'm active user on a Korean site that's used by them as scapegoat for everything
    Are you talking about ilbe by any chance?
    [–]Negatively_Positive 12 points13 points14 points  (18 children)
    Keep us updated, this is a very entertaining and I want to see how will the drama be handled. If gambling in esport resulted in jail time over there then I hope those maniacs at least have to apology to the public.
    [–]stae1234[S] 44 points45 points46 points  (16 children)
    Two guys who basically set this off apologized.
    People are ignoring their apologies because their statements are inexcusable.
    One guy deleted all his tweets and posted a pic of a yellow ribbon (which is to mourn the hundreds of high school kids that died with Sewol ferry incident a couple of years ago) Which pissed people off even more because he's using kids that died so unfairly as a line of defense.
    [–]PM_ME_TITS_MLADY 27 points28 points29 points  (12 children)
    Lol LOL. THE YELLOW RIBBON.
    Wow this just gets better and better, no wonder a lot of these webtoons ends up going downhill as the story progresses on. Candy Girl, Disrespectful Bitch, The Gamer. Not insinuating the authors are part of this, but still.
    These people can't formulate a proper plan to save their life, much less just for a story.
    [–]stae1234[S] 26 points27 points28 points  (11 children)
    The Gamer is a different issue. The writer is a shitty writer. He has a rep for some bad things.
    [–]NotLikeThisManNo 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Oh god the gamer is one of the shittiest Manwha (story wise) I've read. He probably should have stopped after chapter 30-40. There's no progression or character developement whatsoever. We don't even know what the MC is becoming stronger for.
    [–]5thEagle 16 points17 points18 points  (2 children)
    Wtf how is that even relevant to Sewol?
    [–]stae1234[S] 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
    exact reaction from readers.
    [–]ajs824 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Sounds like he is going for the I'm really stupid and I'm sorry tactic.
    [–]Brandchanhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/Brand 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
    I know this is a bit off topic but I'm really interested in the history of manga and comics. It would be really interesting to hear a bit more about the history of it in Korea. I know and have heard so little about it. But it does seem like Korea has come to a point to have a really unique take on the medium. And with mention of something that happened 30 years ago has really piqued my interest. Would it be possible to talk about it in another post?
    [–]stae1234[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    I'll think about it when I have the time. It's pretty complicated issue spanning partisan politics, national relations, etc.
    [–]nonnanika 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Just would like to add that I'd be very interested in this history too, if you ever get around to writing it.
    [–]stae1234[S] 65 points66 points67 points  (42 children)
    Note: Not just the female industry figures. But a LOT of men are joining their "cause" as well.
    Not trying to turn this into Men vs Women.
    And fuck. So many grammar mistakes.
    [–]stae1234[S] 34 points35 points36 points  (9 children)
    Also, trying to explain the entire issue in full detail like why does Megalia exist and how they came to be will need to cover events from like 2008, issues with certain TV shows, Korean conservatism and liberalism, some authors statements in the past, comedians, singers, big internet famous people, etc.
    [–]stae1234[S] 58 points59 points60 points  (8 children)
    huh, someone just posted a nice summary.
    Elevator Guy from PSY's gangnam style caught with DUI -->
    Elevator Guy drops out from Korea's most popular variety show to show his sincerity -->
    The show tries to find a new guy -->
    The comedian who had high chance of getting in said some misogynistic waaay in the past -->
    Feminazi site attacks him -->
    starts attacking more people -->
    Some popular authors get attacked for a joke they used -->
    Entire Korean internet starts hating that feminazi site-->
    The feminazi site goes down due to discovery of illegal porn, orgies, and other scandals -->
    Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) spreads in South Korea -->
    A message board for discussion of MERS somehow mutates into Megalia, the worst feminazi site -->
    Starts wreaking havoc. Falsely accuses another famous author as a rapist -->
    Many feminazis got sued -->
    They create the T-shirt to fund their legal costs -->
    and on to the things I posted above.
    [–]bbqburner 51 points52 points53 points  (1 child)
    The feminazi site goes down due to discovery of illegal porn, orgies, and other scandals -->
    Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) spreads in South Korea -->
    A message board for discussion of MERS somehow mutates into Megalia, the worst feminazi site -->
    I have a strange and conflicting amazement of the sheer absurdity of this development.
    [–]stae1234[S] 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
    we don't know how either.
    [–]seihanda 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    The comedian who had high chance of getting in said some misogynistic waaay in the past -->
    who ?? i know this is about infinite challenge but i don't follow that show quite often
    [–]Blu- 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    Sounds like those authors deserve the backlash and more. They should all take a class in PR or something.
    [–]Berserk72MangaUpdates 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    There are 3 huge mistakes.
    1: Be knowledgeable on the subject before commenting, and never trust someone else without checking their sources.
    2: If you ignored 1, when the backlash happens do step 1 before defending yourself by being stubborn.
    3: Unless you have 80% knowledge on the scenario and have debated with the other side in a reasonable fashion, NEVER insult.
    [–]tiofrodo 7 points8 points9 points  (8 children)
    Is there any other recollection of these events? Seems pretty fucking big to not be discussed anywhere.
    [–]dryad_triadNaver | Lezhin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Thanks for the list! I'm a little relieved now...
    [–]seihanda 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    Acces denied
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
    wait really? works fine for me....
    [–]seihanda 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    it's denied for me. dunno
    [–]slugsluglicious 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    I'm from U.S west coast. I can access the sites. http://i.imgur.com/XBY1UNj.png
    [–]absolita 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I'm from the east coast and can see them too.
    [–]seihanda 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    hmm, so just me :(
    [–]ToFurkie 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    It's 2013 all over again
    [–]Berserk72MangaUpdates 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It seems less likely because from through the thread, those who emotion commented and started it are apologizing and it seems most might blow over.
    [–]Slashblast 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    Uhh. I just got Lezhin cause I wanted to read 4-Cut Hero, which isn't anywhere else.
    Should I be worried?
    [–]stae1234[S] 27 points28 points29 points  (1 child)
    actually, the author for 4-Cut Hero is under really positive light right now.
    super respectful to his fans and nice replies to questions.
    [–]Slashblast 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Oh good. I'm not sure because I don't read anything else on Lezhin, but I'm perfectly glad to use coins if some of it is going to Gojira-Kun
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    nope. you're good.
    [–]dryad_triadNaver | Lezhin 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I work on 4 cut (amongst other things)...... and I'm kinda scared for my job ;-;
    [–]Zero1343 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
    So this is the "Korean GamerGate" i saw a couple posts about this week.
    I wish all this with us or against us, "you're just a racist/sexist/misogynist" stuff would just stop.
    [–]Berserk72MangaUpdates 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It is because the art of debate is pretty dead and they are relying on mob mentality instead. If you debate most of the issues they become really simple.
    [–]gigvigilance 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    But they're not listening.
    Are you referring to the many manwhakas, webtoon artists, game devs, illustrators, singers, light novel writers, voice actors, scholars, and even politicians?
    I think this is like misunderstanding piled up under a lot of misunderstandings, if only people would actually try to listen to those grey neutral opinion like you said that the organization is the problem not the T-Shirt thing
    Welp does this mean a lot of korean manhwa will be discontinued or fail something like that?
    [–]stae1234[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Welp does this mean a lot of korean manhwa will be discontinued or fail something like that?
    probably not, considering how corrupted some of these websites are.
    As for not listening people, yes, I'm referring to them. Logic does not work for some reason. Many of them are blocking people outright.
    Some people listened, did their own research, and reversed their opinions. People are applauding these guys. But vast majority are ignoring logic and evidences.
    There's honestly countless evidences because Megalia is so universally hated. There's people keeping terabytes of screenshots.
    There's also issues with the webtoon author community being so closed and exclusive. Unconditional support and what not.
    [–]ktkwon00 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Thanks a lot for continuously updating the post!
    Just saying, the assisstant of TOG posted a clarification that her opinions do not necesarily reflect those of SIU's, and that she's a pretty new assisstant that only has minor roles. (She's a manager of the official TOG cafe though)
    For those who understand Korean, a wiki with extensive details is at https://namu.wiki/w/레진코믹스%20집단%20환불%20및%20탈퇴%20사태
    [–]Insurrectionist89 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    I've had long-term incidental exposure to Korean internet craziness, so you'll have to forgive me if I do not believe a single fucking word from either side here.
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    I've had long-term incidental exposure to Korean internet craziness
    I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. Korean internet is pretty toxic.
    so you'll have to forgive me if I do not believe a single fucking word from either side here.
    same goes for anything online really. No offense taken.
    [–]Insurrectionist89 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Yes, of course, while you can't fact-check everything you read, it generally is smart not to automatically believe anything, especially on the internet. And to be fair, most of my experience with Korean net drama is from reading up on and following some larger blow-ups through the years, some justified and others very much not. Plus, there's absolutely a lot of similar stuff going on in all parts of the internet, not just the Korean part.
    The reason I specifically brought it up for this is because the specific phrasings in your post, and generally the way things blew the fuck up, remind me of 'Korean-style' drama. As opposed to e.g. gamergate shit.
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    The reason I specifically brought it up for this is because the specific phrasings in your post, and generally the way things blew the fuck up
    completely understandable. I wrote this post primarily as a way to vent out. It's not professional at all.
    as for how Korean-style drama works, I guess it's pretty unique to Korea. We call it Nembi Geunsung, translated to Tenacity of a Pot. We heat up on things really fast, then cool down and forget about everything a week later. There are too many incidents that were forgotten like that.
    [–]Sheapy 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Pretty interesting. Equivalent rights my ass. If you're working in a public-facing section of the company, you better except your ass to be representing the company with things you do in public. If a company finds you to not be in line with their image, they have all the rights to fire you. It's really as simple as that.
    [–]ana-coppola 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I saw a lot of pics of that t shirt on twitter and wondered wtf it was all about. Thanks for the write-up.
    [–]Gallowing-knight 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    "Many Manwhakas, webtoon artists, game devs, illustrators, singers, light novel writers, voice actors, scholars, and even politicians started joining in the scene, saying that the voice actor was fired just because of that T shirt and it goes against equivalent rights and so on. And people were trying to explain to bunch of these people that The T shirt itself is not the problem, but it's the organization that created it, and the money that it's going to be used for that's the problem." So is the main conflict based what the actual t shirt says "Girls don't need a prince," which promotes a sense of independence vs to whom the t shirt financially supports? Also, "These people created echo chambers for the said authors and they simply refuse to listen, and instead calling everyone else retarded neanderthals who don't even deserve to read their webtoons. Many of these authors calling their fans their slaves, dogs, pigs, whatever (Korean curse words don't translate that well) turned out to be artists working for Lezhin Comics." So wait the people who were brought in to the arguement illinformed were also Lezhin artist? If so then that's a really dumb move to insult your fans ill informed of the situation. In addition, " Authors still have no idea what they did wrong" are these the authors who didn't participate in the shitstorm and are facing unknown and mass boycotts or the ones who directly said that their fans are slaves for money. If so then poor authors who they get by; if the later, then they deserved it-- insulting your fans is so stupid. Also can tell us if our pr0n manwhas are safe?
    [–]stae1234[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    We know what they said is completely dumb. And they're refusing to change their stance. Most people are assuming that they're part of Megalia or its their exclusive social circle that came into play.
    " Authors still have no idea what they did wrong" are these the authors who didn't participate in the shitstorm and are facing unknown and mass boycotts or the ones who directly said that their fans are slaves for money.
    the guys who participated. Some of them are posting stuff about going for a drink with their friends. Some of their convos leaked (because they're drunk) and that added more fuel to the fire.
    Those who suffered from Megalia in the past are being sympathized because they're basically living among the enemies. The ones being sympathized are getting a lot of donations from the fans right now. People are buying their works before deleting their accounts or asking for refunds.
    Also can tell us if our pr0n manwhas are safe?
    Porn is safe. It's always safe.
    [–]Takama12 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    I hope Jo Seok is fine... The Sound of Your Heart is the only thing I read on Naver.
    [–]stae1234[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    He didn't say a word on this issue.
    In the past....
    He had a controversy with animal cruelty.
    He also on the bad side for Pink Lady incident.
    [–]Takama12 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I don't know about anything regarding Pink Lady(whatever that is), but I do know Jo Seok addressed concerns using a comic on the hardships of making a comic that won't generate controversy.
    [–]stae1234[S] 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Pink Lady incident was pretty maddening.
    Pink Lady is a webtoon with very pretty art and heartwarming story.
    years after conclusion, it turned out that it was not drawn and written by one person, but there actually was an artist, who was his girlfriend at the time.
    There was no mention of artist starting from 2007 (when Pink Lady started) to 2012 (When this issue came to light)
    The writer got all the benefits, like prizes, pays, professorship to a university etc.
    Anyways, the artist, after getting ignored and getting no credit for her work, made a lawsuit.
    Lots of netizens were pretty pissed.
    And some authors started making comments about this issue, but to everyone's surprise, majority supported the writer, and started turning the artist into a bad guy.
    Jo Seok was on the writer's side... which... lowered his readership quite a bit.
    Also lost many readers because of animal cruelty. It turned out his older brother were getting kittens, raise it, and throw it away after it grew too big. It's more of an issue with his older brother, but people thought Jo Seok played some part. This issue is a little iffy and complicated.
    [–]Navi_1erMyAnimeList 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    "Examples of incidents they caused include spread of child pornography they produced with a little boy...kindergarten teacher admitting that she was a pedophile (actively saying that she wants to fuck the little kids", please tell me this is exaggerated; how on earth is this not enough to completely bring them down?
    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    Not exaggerated. I could link you to the archive, but there's an actual pic. Not risking getting it pinned as actual CP.
    As for why it's not brought down.... there's conspiracy theories.
    [–]Navi_1erMyAnimeList 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Just wow, that is just down right disgusting. How that alone is not enough to bring them down just baffles me. So they are literally having sex with children and no one is doing anything about it how much more fucked in the head can you get.
    [–]Kallamez 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    there's conspiracy theories.
    Such as?
    [–]Lampyris 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Can you please send me the link via PM?
    [–]Webemperor 7 points8 points9 points  (14 children)
    Arent the current ruling party in Korea puritan-esque? If it is then this shitstorm might get even bigger.
    [–]stae1234[S] 39 points40 points41 points  (11 children)
    Yes. And the opposing party endorsed the feminazis.
    The current ruling party endorsed the male equivalent website. (which is just as bad)
    Politics suck.
    [–]AbedeusAkito 39 points40 points41 points  (3 children)
    So on one hand you have third wave feminism, on the other you have redpillers.
    I don't envy them/you, at all.
    [–]ajs824 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    I have a feeling the Korean equivalent of redpillers are much worse lol.
    [–]stae1234[S] 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
    I thought the redpillers were bad when they were in their prime like 4 years ago, but they kind of calmed down after the media started calling them out for their bullshit and people started getting fired and ostracized for being part of it.
    The female portion right now seems much worse imo. They're actively manipulating and producing false information. They had guidelines on how to manipulate the public perception and pander to the general populace. They really know how to control.
    The redpillers were just outright saying shit like "these guys need to die" "that genocide was well deserved." These women are going under the radar slowly feeding false info and twisting things to benefit their views.
    [–]5thEagle 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Holy shit, they've taken stances on this?
    I thought most people were okay with the Park administration, though not necessarily pleased. How bad is it?
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    It's more on the line of certain members of each party making a post or taking a picture approving these guys.
    There was a conspiracy theory with the Ilbe (male toxic site) because their servers were being managed extremely close to the ruling party's website servers, and was simply too expensive for a random guy to run.
    It's a conspiracy theory. Grain of salt is needed.
    [–]5thEagle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I see. I'd believe it.
    [–]Kamishini 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    What a clusterfuck.
    [–]shwag945http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/shwag945 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Who did the North Koreans endorse?
    [–]stae1234[S] 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    Funny you should say that. We started asking this like today.
    It's a word play. "Hating the South" has same pronunciation as "Misandry"
    So the Megalians.
    [–]shwag945http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/shwag945 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Haha that is great.
    [–]Docxm 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I mean, its a democracy... Those are just the values voted in.
    [–]5thEagle 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Eh. Park Geun-Hye, the current president, is the daughter of the 3rd president (who seized power via a military coup and was killed by assassination), and picked up a lot of her initial political momentum by being his daughter. That's like saying the Bushes and Clintons have been so deep in politics just because people support their values.
    [–]kijifihttp://myanimelist.net/profile/KiJzOr 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    Would it be possible for you or someone who can read korean to figur out which manwha/webtoons could be affected by this ?
    [–]stae1234[S] 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
    I don't know the english title for webtoons so....
    For some being translated: (not sure about the names)
    Denma
    For Sita's sake
    Oh my god
    damage over time
    Mad teacher (this guy basically set everything off) (http://www.lezhin.com/ko/comic/mad_teacher)
    There's a Dragon
    As for other figures: DevCat (for the game Vindictus) and some Dungeon Fighter Online illustrators.
    [–]kijifihttp://myanimelist.net/profile/KiJzOr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Only one I could recognize would be "OH, MY GOD! Heaven"
    Thanks for the link.
    [–]SerberusOne 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Ah no Sweet Guy or Gotw , I'm safe
    [–]dragaozao 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    So the authors are only from Lezhin? What about Naver?
    [–]stae1234[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
    Naver and Daum authors are included. As well as some other small sites. It's just that a lot of them are from Lezhin
    Naver authors are probably going to get off the hook. Naver is well known for censoring a lot of things, and we're already seeing comments about this issue being deleted left and right.
    [–]shwag945http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/shwag945 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    For the Sake of Sita's author is a Navar author.
    [–]3453280 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Foxtoon?
    [–]st_stutter 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Super interesting stuff. Please make an update post whenever it gets mostly resolved so I can know what ended up happening.
    [–]leeo268 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    This is why people should stay out of politic.
    [–]Slackrate 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Can you name which exact authors are bad mouthing their fans? So I could avoid their work.
    [–]SakanaAtlas 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Korean runs too much on drama
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    there wouldn't be so much drama if everyone gets punished accordingly for their crimes.
    Just know that while Korea seems like a 1st world country to some people, just 30 years ago it was under dictatorship. Newspaper articles from then show Judges making rapists marry their victims as a way to solve the crime and stuff. We're really conservative in some aspects, and not in a good way. Younger generation is much more like people in the West. There's a lot of pent up anger because everything is so unfair.
    [–]J03MAN_ 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

    manhwagate

    [–]RelaxAndUnwind 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Can you explain what the pink lady incident is, it would be much a appreciated.
    [–]stae1234[S] 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    to put it simply, Until 2012, people thought Pink Lady was drawn by a single person. Only one person showed up to receive awards, get a job as honorary professor, so on.
    It turned out that there was a separate artist and the artist wanted to get some credit for Pink Lady. People freaked the fuck out because the artist's name was mentioned nowhere.
    She wanted official credit because she started drawing her own series, and people were calling her plagarizer of Pink Lady, even through she drew it.
    It somehow devolved into other webtoon artists taking the writer's side, not the artist, and started badmouthing the artist. The author for DICE was one of the prime aggressors, attacking the artist for Pink Lady really hard and picking fights with some concerned fans, deleting comments, banning people etc. The author for Dr. Frost was involved in abusing the artist as well.
    The writer started claiming that it was his drawing, and the artist actually didn't do much drawing on her own. And accused the artist of tracing his work. The writer's assistants started joining in (one of whom was author of DICE) saying that the artist doesn't even deserve a credit because the only thing she drew was the characters (which is dumb), while the assistants handled the background.
    The writer was soon exposed and he wrote a long apology, two of them in fact, saying that he'll take steps to compensate the author and step down from his position as a professor.
    Fans asked the artist if she got anything, and she later said that she didn't get anything even through she should have, and she doesn't want to deal with the writer and his gang.
    And the writer didn't step down from his position, he's still a professor to this day.
    Another shitstorm happened with the writer and the assistants
    Conclusion:
    The artist is officially credited for her work. She's getting paid with the money being made with Pink Lady now.
    The writer admitted that he took advantage of her and lied about many things, but didn't take any steps to take responsibility of his actions nor did he compensate the artist well.
    The artist, although she should have, didn't file a lawsuit, and just tells people to move on as she doesn't want to deal with the writer and his friends anymore.
    The writer is a professor at a college, and serializes a webtoon geared to children.
    The artist recently started serializing Blade and Soul webtoon http://bns.plaync.com/board/library/yuran/article
    [–]RelaxAndUnwind 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Thank you for the reply.
    [–]anindecisiveguy 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    This is just my opinion, but I do think it's a little bit overreacting for firing the VA for the shirt. Yes I understand that it's because buying the shirt is supporting a wrong cause, however it should be taken into account that the VA may not understand this. She may actually believe it's supporting feminism. Anyway, I feel like it wasn't really a bright decision to fire her, evidently by the shitstorm it created. Should just have given her a fine or some kind of penalty, pull her away from the scene or something like that. So I wouldn't think it's simply "caught in feminazi scheme".
    Of course the guys on the other side that didn't listen is overreacting as well, that was the reason for the whole thing to blow up. But still the firing decision is just a bad move all and all.
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    This is just my opinion, but I do think it's a little bit overreacting for firing the VA for the shirt. Yes I understand that it's because buying the shirt is supporting a wrong cause, however it should be taken into account that the VA may not understand this. She may actually believe it's supporting feminism.
    the voice actor wrote an official statement apology for her mistakes. She still didn't take back her words of supporting Megalia though. She stated that she's perfectly aware of what they are and what they stand for.
    As for the shirt, you're really underestimating how much hate Megalia and Ilbe (male equivalent) get from people. There are many examples in the past where people were caught active member of Ilbe and were removed from their jobs. You're also instantly ostracized from classmates, co-workers, etc when you're found. It's hated that much. It's the untouchables level of the caste system.
    Megalia is a lot newer and doesn't have that much notoriety among the norm. (Ilbe, the male equivalent, has been around for much longer and they did their damage in the past) They do have notoriety for netizens. For Nexon, this is their target market. Actually, even smaller than that, since it appeals to anime fans and teens primarily. And Japan. Anways, if the target market (which is so limited and small in Korea) throw a fit, of course they need to take some action, especially if one of their contracted employee is affiliated with an organization that could possibly ruin their image.
    For her firing, she did get removed from her job, but she still got her pay and everything, it's more correct to say that her contract ended (as she fulfilled it by doing the voice) and she was let go. Nexon decided to get rid of all the voice clips of the said character and take all the damage themselves. Probably going to hire a new VA and do all the recording over again.
    You also need to know that the voice was for a new character, which usually is used to bring back players who quit a while ago or bring in some new people. Closers isn't that popular. If that new character has issues, shit's going to not work. I think that's why Nexon took a quick action. (btw Closers gained a massive playerbase due to this incident last 3 days haha)
    [–]69username69 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I feel like their is alot of biasness in this article, that being said thanks for the information.
    [–]stae1234[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    well I wrote it, so there's probably some bias.
    Good for you for taking it with a grain of salt :)
    [–]Oedipustrexeliot 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    It sounds like this group is actually a bunch of lunatics, but I still don't like the term "feminazi" since it was created by Rush Limbaugh types to describe legitimate feminism in an inflammatory and negative way.
    [–]Ternial 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    words dont change meaning and change their use, thanks
    [–]Jplague7 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    "Feminism" is an incredibly virulent plague. While it may have once stood for equality(here in the States), the term has been hijacked to suit the needs of radical misandrists who are no more for gender equality than racial supremacist groups are for racial equality. It's unfortunate that this "movement" is in other countries as well.
    That being said, I don't really understand why authors would insult their fan bases. It's obvious that if you insult your fan base, then you are likely to lose said fan base if it continues.
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    It's sad how the word has so much negative connotation now.
    And yeah. I don't know either.
    [–]hyuq 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    It still stands for equality, it's just misunderstood by a lot of people. I agree with most of your comment except the part where it makes it sound as if feminism is a relic of the past. Sure, it may seem as if the majority (? Perhaps a vocal minority/community ?) think that feminism = radical misandry but I feel like as time moves on, and the more progressive or more educated people get, the word feminism won't be seen in such a widespread negative connotation. I personally believe that many celebrities are trying to "reclaim" feminism by trying to educate people what the proper definition of a feminist is. (Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Beyoncé, Jesse Williams, etc.)
    [–]Jplague7 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I really think that if people were truly for equality, then they would drop things like feminism in favor of egalitarianism which is comprehensive equal opportunity and rights for every single person rather than for one particular group of people.
    [–]potentialPizza 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    This issue is really interesting. Since it's only been 3 days, there's no way things'll come to a resolution yet. But if things settle down, would you mind making an update post? I really want to see how this controversy will end.
    [–]stae1234[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    sure, I'll keep you guys updated.
    Unless someone beats me to the punch.
    [–]CCV21 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Crazy!
    [–]LetsGetLostNow 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Hey thanks for this post, it's always interesting to read what's going on at the scene.
    Lezhin should really get rid of those authors and distance themselves. Calling their fans names just goes over the line. I remember in sc2 scene a guy named Idra was known for kinda being a dick, it was his persona, he insulted fans few times but only as a joke, then once on stream he said something about hating fans and that they just make him money. Ended up being released by his team within few hours.
    Those authors are idiots and it might end up costing them their careers. Expressing you opinion as someone with a fanbase will always insult some people, but damn isn't this pretty much a career suicide lol.
    [–]stae1234[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Oh god the SC scene.....
    [–]Pikoki 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Thank you for sharing this, this is some of the most rapid escalation of events I've seen in this industry.
    [–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Holy shit. Korean webdrama is on a whole other level. Gamergate's got nothing on this.
    [–]ItsDaveshttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/dewwatson 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Are any manhwas in danger of ending from this?
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    we'll need to wait and see.
    [–]run_kkokko 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Basically, it was considered the savior of the graphic novel industry that was burned down 30 years ago (literally. It's a long story)
    Sounds interesting. What's the story?
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    To put it simply, the government declared that graphic novels were objects that poison the minds of children with fabrication and bad ideals. (this was also when Korea was under military dictatorship)
    And a movement started where people would collect graphic novels and burned them in public. A lot of them. A lot.
    Authors that made through this period are the most respected and revered.
    Nowdays, same stuff is happening with videogames, as gov classified it as something on the level of illegal drugs. Not as radical reaction from the populace though.
    [–]run_kkokko 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Thanks. You said literal, but I didn't think it'd be that literal. I certainly didn't expect politics to have played such a huge part. Now I'm really interested about what happened before and during those 30 years. Seems like an interesting bit of history.
    [–]stae1234[S] 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Simply put:
    Illegally imported Japanese manga becomes popular.
    Small manwha magazines survive to make some cash and promote Korean things.
    IT revolution happens in Korea where everyone gets PC and high speed internet. Scanning everything and posting online happens. (there's also an essay I can write on this mind set)
    Print manga and manwha dies out as nearly all prints are scanned within in month and shared online.
    Naver comes along and decides to making everything online and make money on ad revenue.
    Naver becomes popular
    Lezhin comes along, guaranteeing authors fixed salary on top of incentives based on sales, and quality content geared toward adults.
    Having Lezhin account became "cool" for fans as they're directly supporting their favorite artists.
    Lezhin receives investment. Plans to move into animation industry and expand further, stimulating hopes and dreams of many Korean otaku.
    Then this incident happened :(
    [–]BmanBruh 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    The real question is, how will this affect Sweet Guy? cause I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    [–]stae1234[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It's good. Author didn't say anything. Just hope the company survives the backlash.
    [–]Weischbier 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well, he has other issues than those morons at this point.
    [–]hornmonk3yzit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    No, the realer question is how does this affect Sperman?
    [–]Kallamez 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    (And yes. In Korea, you could sue someone online for the things they said and done online, even if it's anonymous)
    From your description of their... ahem activities, what they do are pretty much libel, slander and downright criminal. Nothing surprising about it.
    [–]leeo268 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Race war in US, while the gender war in South Korea. Interesting.
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    there's also race issue in Korea that's controversial.
    Huge chaebol/conglomerates want cheap labor.
    Country promotes Diversity! creates laws and welfare only towards foreigners.
    People claiming that this is reverse discrimination.
    wages are getting lower and lower as workers from 3rd world countries are willing to work for cheap.
    [–]junkmutt 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    How is Currygom(?)(person who made Kubera) holding up with this?
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    didn't say anything about this matter. Safe.
    She already has her own share of haters for things she did in the past.
    [–]Mabisakura 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    .... what? Currygom has haters? What did she do? I've been a big fan of kubera since the very beginning and feel the need to know.
    What is the artist of pink lady doing these days and has she worked on anything new ever since pink lady 2?
    Is NastyCat safe? Western fans seem to have forgotten about NastyCat but I haven't and still follow the slower translation of trace 2.0.
    [–]stae1234[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    What did she do?
    strictly enforcing what fanart fans could make
    flaming at people pointing out plotholes/mistakes
    banning people and creating her echo chamber.
    What is the artist of pink lady doing these days and has she worked on anything new ever since pink lady 2?
    BLADE AND SOUL!!!
    nasty cat is safe.
    [–]moonmeh 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Currygom always had issues with BL fanart of her work.
    [–]holydemonMangaUpdates 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Democracy through the wallet at its finest
    [–]volt16MyAnimeList 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    and that my friends is how a bunch of morons can destroy things
    [–]PossiblyAsian 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    you know if the author of dokgo is involved?
    [–]Weischbier 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Is Team Gaji good? (WDTFS)
    [–]RoboWarriorSrRoboWarrior 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Wow just after the industry was coming back, and I was hoping that this comeback might finally allow the ending of I.D. Curious to know has there been any news of on this series (by Kenny AT and Kim Daewoo)?
    [–]CreatetheControversy 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    As long as Slave in Utero(Tower of God) is in the clear...the rest can go eat a dick sandwich.
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    [–]happyfeett 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Some even started calling their readers and fans just slaves that bring them money, and they don't stand on equal ground to even discuss any of these issues.
    Lmao what the hell. It's like in the manhwas they write.
    [–]CxOxF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The only manhwa I read is DICE, hope the author of didn't fall into this as well.
    [–]iDecko 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The Internet.
    [–]aproudwalnut 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Authors saying stupid shit need to be reprimanded or sacked, they need to be taught a serious lesson of what industry they are in.
    If they do not care about the customers, then they don't care about their business, if they don't care about the business image, then it's better to put them on the unemployment line than risk any more financial damage.
    [–]dryad_triadNaver | Lezhin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Oh boy...
    [–]TreyTrey23 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    What kind of artist says this shit about their fans?
    [–]PregnantMalepianokingx3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    What famous webnovel authors are calling their fans names? Just wondering so I know what to avoid.
    [–]lynxlocohttps://www.mangaupdates.com/mylist.html?id=464119 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    What authors from Lezhin? Because there are a couple of series I read on there, but I'm not going to support them if this is how they behave.
    [–]HereComesPapaArima 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Holy Shit, insulting your fans? As an aspiring writer I feel disgusted by these mongrels. Seems like a Shit Storm over there. I hope the industry's good guys keep shut and safe, so that these irrational fucks can get a lesson from the veterans. Is the Breaker author safe? Oh and are the Doujin/Hentai authors safe?
    [–]stae1234[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Breaker is safe.
    the NSFW authors.... well, the ones that are being translated to english are safe. (not sure about the official ones)
    But Lezhin is where the NSFW stuff comes from so we'll have to wait till tomorrow to see what happens.
    [–]HereComesPapaArima 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well, looks like the good ones are safe.
    [–]solidad29 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Is there an English article that details a brief history of the Korean graphic novel scene? I'm consuming a sizable chunk of my GN entertainment with webtoons and would like to know how they work.
    [–]stae1234[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    as far as I know, there really isn't any in English.
    I've been getting a lot of messages about this, so I might do a short write up some time later :)
    [–]OhLookANewAccount 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Now, people are getting sick of these guys, hundreds of people requested Lezhin for refunds (causing huge damage)
    The only thing business hears is the sound of money leaving. If this doesn't fix the issues going on over this then boycott the artists and their products, and focus on making new, quality, non idiotic products.
    [–]mateusfmcota 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    OP, If this isn't too much to ask, could you update the main post, to keep us up to date with the subject?
    [–]PyrZern 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Whoa, dang. This escalates real fast.
    [–]mostinterestingtroll 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Holy shit. This is some insane drama.
    Thanks for letting us know.
    It sucks cuz I friggin love Manwha.
    [–]xaxzzzaz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Now I know why Koran dramas are so good.
    [–]SegundaMortemMangaUpdates 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm sorry to ask but anyone know if Brawling Go will be affected?
    [–]FreskeyTC 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    i actually came in here thinking it had something to do with Infinite Challenge's webtoon thing
    [–]agmaster 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Huh, I knew Korea was savage, but this is still surprising.
    [–]Cilph 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This all sounds awfully familiar.
    [–]YagamiYuu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Does this affect the "Aharoo" manhwa. Have not seen it got update for a while/
    [–]Cb337305 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm expecting a new Korean drama to come out about this.
    [–]AsnSensation 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    From what I understand it's mostly the niche/nsfw guys involved in this? Not the 'big guys's like for instance Kian84, Lee Jong-hui or Yoon Tae-Ho?
    [–]stae1234[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    mostly niche, but some big names.
    [–]arhipel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I almost paid my money for Lehzin to read My secret Brother..
    [–]YagamiYuu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Is Hong Bang Jang (홍반장) involved in this cluster fuck ?
    [–]zagiel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Thank you
    Western Video games industry when?
    Well, eventually it would happens..
    no wait, it's already happening, just not as big as korean one
    i hope someone pulled the trigger and make it blew up
    [–]Kidrik 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Wow, Korean Gamergate more or less then
    [–]_Iroha 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I wonder how the voice actress feels about this
    [–]3delQ8 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I mean she got fired so not happy i guess
    [–]Volskier 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Got any of the tweets where the call their readers slaves? Sorry I just gotta ask for evidence when such a big claim is made.
    [–]Qitian_Dasheng 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    OP, your link to "For the Sake of Sita" got me a virus infected warning on my tablet.
    [–]stae1234[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    that website usually gets warning signs. whoops.
    Doesn't do much.
    [–]Kallamez 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Well that 30 years just burned down to the ground.
    Whelp. Put that one on the "Victims of feminism" list.
    [–]hyuq 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    They're radical misandrists, not feminists. Please don't confuse these horrible acts of hatred with feminism.
    [–]FreskeyTC -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    too bad 3rd wave feminism have made them the same thing
    [–]T3Deliciouzhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/T3Deliciouz 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Can I get actual sources and citations (even if it's in Korean) otherwise this could be any person just typing shit up.
    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Here's a wiki with description of events, list of authors that made statements, and links to their tweets or an archive version of it in case they delete them.
    Even if the wiki is extremely biased, if you could read what some of these people said, you'd choose the other side.
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    [–]Reyvaan -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    so Gamergate then?
    for those that are brainwashed by the media Gamergate is NOT an anti-female movement
    it is an anti corrupt media movement and it started with this article
    a "gaming" site publishing an anti-gamer article saying gamers are dead
    and the rest of the so-called "journalists" climbing ont he bandwagon and insulting their audiences
    and gamergate is born
    although the koreans seem to be doing a much better job than gamergate
    [–]hornmonk3yzit -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    What scares me most about this is the fact that there's a Censorship Department in Korea. Why does the freer half of Korea have a government agency that sound's like something out of a George Orwell novel? Asia is weird.
    [–]stae1234[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Censorship dept is incorrect, basically think of it as a rating body. It's the stupid things they declare above 19 or ban from TV networks makes them look like they censor everything.... wait....
    [–]tellyou00 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Currently in Korea, only a few feminists are real feminist and most of feminists are feminazi. Conditions of the real Feminism is described below. 1. Do feminism without instigating illegal acts 2. Don't do hate speech because of mirroring or something
    Suffragettism in late 18th century is one of the case which is out of real feminism. At that time American women used to bust windows, throw stones. It's obviously illegal and violent even it's intention was good. Furthermore, they didn't hesitate to tell American men hate statement and violent language. It's very similar with fake feminism happening in Korea which has feature of misandry, not feature of feminism.
    If you call yourself as feminist, you should try "real feminism" instead of fake feminism which is spoiled with illegal action, hate speech. You should not follow American Suffragette. If you want to know more about this, you'd better watch Suffragette the movie. It's practically well reproduced situation at that moment.
    This is real Feminism in Korea!!!!
    Korea woman is Feminazi!!!
    They have called 'breeding elimination' of 'genocide' as a logical "Korea will not marry a man." It was up 6.9 make fun us that while the penis! We can be confident that the penis is the difference between black and '1cm'.
    Even South Korea women wore tee called "The girls do not need a prince," So we Say!!! "We are not your prince"!!!!!
    Korea women feminazi !!!
    [–]stae1234[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    one advice, don't generalize and say that "most" people are feminazis. That's how you make more enemies.
    [–]Phillile -34 points-33 points-32 points  (10 children)
    I find that anybody who is willing to use the word feminazi is a less than reliable source.
    [–]gamobot 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
    "promoting misandry and female supremacy."
    [–]stae1234[S] 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
    I've seen some people participating in this movement calling themselves feminazis without even knowing what it means.
    Just honoring them.
    [–]AlexanderThePrettyOk 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Just curious, are they really using the word feminazis? Literally? With the word nazis?
    [–]stae1234[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Some people are. Baffles me too.
    [–]Moodada -12 points-11 points-10 points  (1 child)
    I don't think anyone who was really a feminist would promote calling themselves anything similar to a nazi, I'm kinda ashamed that you'd think that they would.
    Feminists who promote equality among all people are calling themselves something similar to people who mass murdered and tried to kill an entire race? Yeah right...
    It really brings down your credibility.
    [–]stae1234[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Forgive me for using the term, but it describes them perfectly imo.
    It's morally unacceptable to celebrate massacre of men during the Korean war with most derogatory terms possible. I think it's okay to call them feminazis because they made statements about wanting to put men in gas chambers.
    they brigade to other websites. But not just any kind, but manipulating the perception of many by falsifying the truth. They made a fucking guide to manipulate info: https://archive.is/HFP3X
    Right now, some of these women are at the Nexon building
    protesting about "unfair" removal of the voice actor.
    Do you know what they're doing to the passer by? They're telling the men to go die and flipping off men who stare at them. Not so long ago they were posting on their website how they want to kill the men staring at them.
    If you have doubts about statements I made, found this link
    [–]AbedeusAkito 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    Why? How else would you describe someone who actively promotes hatred against a gender, like some people on Twitter who wrote tweets with #KillAllMen and shit like talking about putting men into concentration camps?
    If that's not comparable to Nazism, with hatred towards men instead of Jews, then I don't know what it is.
    [–]tiofrodo -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Sure those exist, but it is pretty naive thinking that it is only used in that context alone, this site and even this thread has people saying that feminism is equal to feminazi, which i hope we all agree is fucking absurd.
    EDIT: which btw this includes op as well, but hey, don't try to stop the circlejerk.
    [–]AbedeusAkito 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Not every feminist is a feminazi, obviously. But many of those that are outspoken on Youtube or Twitter are bordering that territory. Or outright in it, like Clementine Ford, who doesn't mind ruining people's lives and careers because they called her a bad word on Facebook and organizes witchhunts against men she doesn't like.
    "All men must die! All of them!". No, it's not satire, not her tweets.
    [–]LackingLack comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
    Indeed. This entire perspective is absurdly skewed and anti woman
    [–]moonmeh -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    Decent summary of the events. Dislike how you casually use the feminazi term (hate how that term is used on both sides) but whatever. Using that term won't win many people over.
    I think DC has the right idea to burn the whole scene to the ground. Incredible amount of nepotism and insular groups in the scene is evident at this point.
    [–]midori2000 -12 points-11 points-10 points  (2 children)
    As a Korean girl this post is written within the framework of Korean man.
    [–]troubun 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    I'm also a Korean female. I don't see how there is any debate. From what I've looked at, the Megalians are without a doubt a hate group and even leaving all that feminism angle out, the things these so called professionals are calling their readers is just unacceptable and it's just a plain stupid thing to do. I feel terrible that this stuff is happening when Korea was finally establishing its own identity in the global creative industry. Ugh.
    [–]agmaster 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I am Amazingly curious to hear your perspective. I visited SK once for school and felt like an outsider, so this is totally out of my wheelhouse.
    [–]Teenager_Simonhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/simonheros -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    This sounds so lame... Fuck all this drama pls
    [–]seihanda -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Thank you.time to visit netizenbuzz for futher detail
    edit : Damn, nothing there
    [–]Freyzi -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
    I could easily see this happening in the West with YouTubers or something. Some female Youtuber buys a t-shirt from a company like Megalia, promotes it and suggests to her viewers to buy stuff from them, viewers point out the company is run by feminazis, YouTuber says she knows and supports them for fighting for feminism, shitshow starts with other Youtubers talking about it on their videos, some support the original female YouTuber and others oppose it, it spills further than YouTube and everything that happened in Korea happens there, content creators insulting their audience, mass banning creating an echo-chamber, people losing followers and revenue and so on.
    The world is crazy and the internet is crazy. Also fuck those guys.
    [–]lixilisk 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    if you look on the comments section of youtube, shitstorms happen on their own regardless of what the content of the video is.
    it can be a cute kitten video and shitlords will still manage to find something to complain or cry about
    [–]awerture -13 points-12 points-11 points  (27 children)
    voice actor for a Korean Online game called Closers
    posting a T-shirt not related to her work, expressing her views on something
    this is absolutely not a fans business what voice actor thinks or supports in her free time. From the way you described it's the shitshow started entirely by the fans and people of the industry are totally on the right side. And you are not.
    You are not entitled to dictate anyone their worldview just because you play the game/manga/whatever they are working on. It's as simple as that.
    edit - for the people downvoting me, at least try to formulate why you think I'm wrong.
    [–]holydemonMangaUpdates 6 points7 points8 points  (24 children)
    It's called "democracy through the wallet". And it's essentially what capitalism has been building up to, dictating people how to live their life through the power of money.
    The problem is that there's no better alternative, as we have the Monarch, Confucius, the Bible, the Qran and the Communist Supreme Leader.
    [–]awerture comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (23 children)
    But given social media boom it's developing into something very not pleasant.
    As things stay now we are approaching the day "freedom of speech...is something you do after work, on your own time, and even then (for many), only if your employer approves." This is troubling news for everybody, and I detest how the OP is participating in the activity resulting in making this world a worse place.
    [–]NewAcc04nt 5 points6 points7 points  (15 children)
    You can't work for a business when you're saying stuff that actively undermines that business. It's pretty common sense.
    [–]awerture -1 points0 points1 point  (14 children)
    you seem to be missing a point.
    There must already exist a fandom of people enforcing their views on subjects unrelated to what they are fandom of to undermine any business. I don't deny alienating that kind of fandom is harmful to the business, I claim the very existence of this type of fandom is cancerous and a grave danger for individual freedom.
    [–]NewAcc04nt 8 points9 points10 points  (13 children)
    If the post is to be believed Megalia is a hate group. If you found out the profits from a product you purchased goes to support the KKK, Holocaust Denial, or anti-gay marriage organizations would you stop purchasing the product?
    [–]awerture 1 point2 points3 points  (12 children)
    Let's make this analogy somewhat resembling the problem, but a little stronger.
    Suppose I like the Game Of Thrones. Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) turns out to be a KKK supporter, Holocaust denier or anti-gay marriage activist. Would I stop purchasing the series? Absolutely not.
    The analogy is stronger because as far as I understood the VA isn't as important to the game as Tyrion is to the Game of Thrones, and it's not very clear how much and of what a supporter she is - she posed with a Tshirt issued as a form of paying for expenses for legal proceedings, I got it right?
    I also don't exactly buy that anti - Megalia narration OP has created but I don't know anything about that group and I don't really want to research them and I definitely don't want to get caught in Internet cross-fire between SJWs and Internet anti-feminists, the barrage is usually much too heavy for my taste.
    [–]NewAcc04nt 7 points8 points9 points  (11 children)
    Suppose I like the Game Of Thrones. Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) turns out to be a KKK supporter, Holocaust denier or anti-gay marriage activist. Would I stop purchasing the series? Absolutely not.
    If Peter Dinklage started funding KKK marches I would question whether I should continue to support the show and would probably want him to be replaced. You're disconnecting two ideas too mechanically. I don't want to support the ideas he holds, so I don't want to support him, so I don't want to support the company that supports him. I think the big question, as you touched on, is whether Megalia is a bad as OP has made it out to be.
    This is the only thing I've really found from before this started and it doesn't make me gung-ho about supporting them
    [–]awerture 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
    You're disconnecting two ideas too mechanically
    I really don't think so, but lets agree to disagree here.
    This site you linked seems also biased as hell ("Megalia - ISIL of Korea", they don't sugarcoat anything, that's for sure). It's very clearly beyond our expertise. They don't seem nice, but it's not in the slightest clear how troll or postmodern they are. 4chan isn't nice either, btw.
    [–]NewAcc04nt 5 points6 points7 points  (9 children)
    I do think there is quite a bit of hyperbole in how the article is written but it is literally the only thing I can find on Megalia. You should also note that that specific excerpt is taken from another website. Most of what the author writes is examinations of what other people have written about Megalia from other websites rather than the author's own opinions.
    4chan isn't nice either, btw.
    The difference here is 4chan isn't designed to be a hate group. It's a simply an imageboard with low moderation. When your logo is literally a hand gesture for a man having a small penis I'm inclined to not support you.
    [–]holydemonMangaUpdates 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
    Well that's actually the reason I'm not participating in social media activity unless I have a clear goal for it (eg: signing up for social events, contributing to a private group, or testing fb/twitter API, etc..)
    What people don't get about social media is: if they're willing to share their life with strangers on the internet, then be prepared to be criticized for what they do in life, and even be punished for it.
    Also, right to freedom of speech only protects you government interference and legislation. What your employers, your co-workers and your customers decided to do with your speech is also, ironically, part of their freedom of speech.
    [–]awerture -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
    right to freedom of speech only protects you government interference and legislation. What your employers, your co-workers and your customers decided to do with your speech is also, ironically, part of their freedom of speech.
    I'm aware of it, the article I linked is exactly about it.
    [–]mooowolf 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    Free speech does not equate forced support from your fans. You can say whatever the hell you want, just don't expect all of your fans to keep supporting you or even liking you. You mentioned that if Peter Dinklage was a KKK member you'd still support Game of Thrones, but not everybody thinks this way. Fans absolutely have the right to criticize a public figure for their views on a certain subject. The entire career of a public figure depends on the support of their fans, and you're saying fans don't have a say in this matter? that the celebrity should get away with saying anything they want? That's not how freedom of speech works. https://xkcd.com/1357/
    [–]xkcd_transcriber 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Title: Free Speech
    Title-text: I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
    Stats: This comic has been referenced 3406 times, representing 2.8579% of referenced xkcds.

    [–]awerture -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
    have you even read what I said and linked? Because it seems you didn't even bother.
    [–]mooowolf 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    I did, and what of it? Did you read anything I wrote? I was talking about public figures specifically i.e. celebrities. They chose to disclose their entire lives to work in this field, and there is not a moment when they just stop being a celebrity, because thats become their full time job - 24/7, and they should be responsible for what they say, not in terms of legal repercussions or anything, but why would you be surprised when all of the sudden all your fans turn against you? do you think celebrities like Taylor Swift would still be popular if it came out that they supported ISIS and donated their earnings to them? No, they would get fired IMMEDIATELY. Your job as a celebrity is to earn as much money as possible for your host company, and when you stop doing that (i.e. you have no more fans or your being in the company becomes bad publicity), you are no longer doing your job, and therefore the company has every reason to fire you.
    [–]awerture -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I did, and what of it? Did you read anything I wrote?
    your previous post was the first post in this subthread. And was some stock response to some strawman, not to what I wrote.
    I was talking about public figures specifically i.e. celebrities.
    We are talking about mangakas and voice actors here - as far as I understood they are doing their artisan job. I have no idea what their status in Korea is, that's true, but it isn't at all clear from the OP's post they are 'celebrities'. I don't know who is taylor swift actually so I don't understand your analogy. But it is indeed quite so that audiences imposing their worldview on people doing their normal job and treating them like what they say is important in normal people's own life is indeed elevating that artisans into celebrities. And I think it's stupid, but on the audiences part, and I totally understand how creators might be annoyed by it.
    And google search tells me this Megalia site isn't ISIL, but much more an equivalent of 4chan's /pol/ and I don't understand how anyone can think some internet bullshit should influence anyone's real line of work so much.
    [–]nightshiftgray 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    I feel fans on the internet should be able to criticize. And it's usually not pretty. In their free time, privately people can have any idea they choose.
    But this was public. The act of having an audience and employed means your words represent larger communities. Of course, fans cannot force people to change worldview. But they can say "I don't want to be associated with you anymore". In a sense, she made herself vulnerable in this argument. While still fired, the voice actor did get paid for her work.
    [–]awerture -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    I feel fans on the internet should be able to criticize
    Of course they should. They should also however deal with the fact people might have different opinions, no matter how scary is that. Or in other words they should give the others the same right to criticize they enjoy so much.
    The act of having an audience and employed means your words represent larger communities
    ? Where this assumption comes from? As far as I understood she was a VA for some game character. She doesn't have an audience. The game has. The game is made by hundreds of people and she is one of them. Her views on anything doesn't have anything to do with how well she is able to act out her character.
    While still fired, the voice actor did get paid for her work.
    You're implying she shouldn't be paid?
    [–]Schreckstoff -6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
    I was with you till the gamergate comparison in the comments. Though I'm too tired to understand if that was pro or contra gamergate in the latter case I'm still with you.
    [–]stae1234[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    I'll be honest. Didn't keep up with gamergate after the initial fiasco. I was just agreeing on the fact that this kinda resembles how gamer gate started and the initial reaction looks similar.
    [–]StegosaurusArtCritic -9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
    lol thinking misandrist feminists are a real threat to any degree lol guys can't you just take a JOKE???
    [–]Kallamez 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Examples of incidents they caused include spread of child pornography they produced with a little boy...kindergarten teacher admitting that she was a pedophile (actively saying that she wants to fuck the little kids
    Go die in a fire, shill.
    [–]loabby -19 points-18 points-17 points  (6 children)
    ******************* TRUTH: Just because of her political speech, she lost her job. The voice actress only said that she "agrees with Megalia's fight against misogyny." She's not even a member of it. The T-shirt fund-raising was for the law expense for the lawsuit against Facebook Korea. Facebook Korea has long overlooked the misogyny page called "Kimchi-girl", but continually deleted the moderate feminism page called "Megalia 1, 2, 3, 4" (Facebook page Megalia is far from the radical feminism website Megalia. Megalia is a kind of feministic symbol in Korea. When MERS attacked Korea, Korean men blamed women again without any reasonable reason. Since then women stood up and started fighting against Korean men. That's why "Megalia" is a critical symbol in Korea.)
    ******************* What is MEGALIA?? Megalia has been mirroring the men's language. Exactly the way Korean society has been treating women. Every single post and action of Megalia is based on the mirroring strategy. To show Korean men who they are. For some reason, Korean men has never shown any kind of self-reflection, but they are blaming their mirror image: Megalia. Ridiculous country.
    Korean men have offended, blamed, raped and killed Korean women within the country. Now they are doing the same thing outside the country. Sick of them.
    [–]Lampyris 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
    Wacky logic at best.
    So far your post has accused Korean men (as a whole group) for various misdeeds, but your faulty logic does not justify the hate crimes perpetrated against men. Even if your assumption of Korean men allegedly having "offended, blamed, raped and killed Korean women" is true in the past, this does not justify the heinous acts of assaulting the general male population. Instead of being indignant at the perpetrator of these crimes, you are misdirecting your anger at innocent Korean male population, particularly male children who are not responsible for having "offended, blamed, raped and killed Korean women". The people you attack in such hate crimes are rarely the people that you believe may have wronged you. Assaulting the Korean male population only makes you stoop to the level of the people you hate the most, while directly hurting innocent bystanders who just happens to be male.
    You claim that "feminist" movement is "mirroring the men's language". That means the "feminist' movements are just fighting eye for an eye. Ironically, you are worsening the problem you hate so much by creating so much hate and animosity while propagating the "us vs. them" mentality. If you believe gender oppression is a problem, work to improve the Korean culture, instead of inciting hate and promoting (reverse) oppression that favours your ideals. Men oppressing women, women oppressing men, neither are desirable.
    There are contradictions between the statements given by /u/loabby and /u/professionalevilstar - is the T-shirt sale fundraising event meant for the lawsuit against Facebook Korea, or to pay for the lawsuit which was lost against MindC?
    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    There are contradictions between the statements given by /u/loabby[2] and /u/professionalevilstar[3] - is the T-shirt sale fundraising event meant for the lawsuit against Facebook Korea, or to pay for the lawsuit which was lost against MindC?
    It's to cover the legal fees of Megalian members who were sued. (which includes MindC and the pedophile incident) The admin for the page and the T shirt designer said that on their page so....
    Anyways, now you know what we're dealing with here.
    [–]Voievode 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Hey OP, I have a suggestion for you. Don't use screenshots, start archiving pages instead. When the whole Gamergate controversy started, people accused of ethical breaches simply deleted all evidence and claimed that screenshots were fabricated. Use http://archive.is/ , it will make exposing liars much easier. Let people involved in this mess know about it, too.
    [–]JustSomePerks 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    wait so are you saying information the OP has provided is incorrect?
    [–]serfdomgotsaga -12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
    And nothing of value was lost.
    [–]chinpropped -16 points-15 points-14 points  (6 children)
    lol this kid says he's an active user of Ilbe. this site is basically the donald of korean internet. persecution complex ridden virgin boys thinking they're being rebellious and edgy.
    now it's south korea, they have more built up anger inside them because in real life, they're timid korean boys who's being submissive to their teachers and parents, they think marijuana is a hardcore scary drug that only scary American english teachers get caught with, and the only "badass" thing they can do is to rebel against their mommy is by drinking alcohol and smoking cigs. but on the internet, they act out because they have no escape. don't take them seriously. lol
    [–]stae1234[S] 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    The fuck dude. I've already said I'm from todayhumor. Don't even dump me with those fucktards.
    I'm not Ilbe. I'm primarily active on todayhumor which is very often used as scapegoat. If you want some proof, here's the link I made from todayhumor, http://www.todayhumor.co.kr/board/view.php?table=comics&no=12285[1] to this thread. You'll see that my last edit time for this thread an hour ago, and I told one of the comments on todayhumor I fixed what he told me to. which was an hour ago.
    [–]chinpropped comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (1 child)
    so you're like the brogressive bernie bros on reddit. same shit.
    [–]stae1234[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Am I really seeing this line on an English site? This is fucking hilarious.
    [–]ktkwon00 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Could you give some example of how /u/stae1234 says he's an active member of Ilbe? He seems to be also against Ilbe from what I've seen, calling it the "male equivalent of Megal" and "male toxic site". If you're talking about the comment where he claims to be an active user of a site against Megal, literally any site that is against child abuse is against Megal.
    [–]stae1234[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I'm not Ilbe.
    I'm primarily active on todayhumor which is very often used as scapegoat.
    If you want some proof, here's the link I made from todayhumor,
    to this thread.
    You'll see that my last edit time for this thread an hour ago, and I told one of the comments on todayhumor I fixed what he told me to. which was an hour ago.
    [–]chinpropped comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
    As for my negativity with the website involved, probably very biased, as I'm active user on a Korean site that's used by them as scapegoat for everything. I've seen them come and go quite a bit.
    typical persecution complex from a timid korean boy that's trapped in korean values, can't express himself outside so goes on the internet to whine.
    someone asks "Are you talking about ilbe by any chance?"
    his sad response - OU
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