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[–]Manchester Unitedwvufan44 127ポイント128ポイント  (64子コメント)

At this point I just have to laugh when my fellow United supporters try to say we're better off without him.

[–]Southamptondeviden 50ポイント51ポイント  (50子コメント)

I am genuinely baffled by how Fergie, who was usually correct when choosing to let players go, got Pogba so wrong.

So what if the kid got uppity and wanted to jump ahead of others in the pecking order? He's clearly more talented than any central midfielder in the current (or last season's) squad. He should have been promoted ahead of the likes of Cleverley.

[–]GermanyAmphibiousNostrils 99ポイント100ポイント  (27子コメント)

Ferguson is a stubborn man

[–][deleted] 48ポイント49ポイント  (16子コメント)

And he makes mistakes sometimes. He's not infallible. Mortal like the rest of us.

[–]Argentinacubixrube 18ポイント19ポイント  (15子コメント)

Only two Champions Leagues in seventeen years are proof of that.

[–][deleted] 33ポイント34ポイント  (13子コメント)

You're joking, 2 CL wins as a manager is a good record no matter how long he's been managing

[–]BangladeshSamee_ 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

Obviously 2 Champions League wins is a great achievement but when you consider how seasons United were the very best team in England and amongst the best teams in Europe, 2 wins isn't all that great. Ferguson should've accomplished more in Europe.

He was a beast in the domestic league though obviously.

[–]Manchester UnitedUrridi 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, when he finally figured out how to play in the CL he just happened to come up against the best team to ever play football! 3 Finals in 4 years is not bad.

[–]Manchester UnitedCream_ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is precisely the reason why I have a dislike for Barcelona (not logical I know) - people will point to Fergie's CL wins as a means to tarnish his claim of the best manager of all time. Fuck that, if it was ANYONE else other than Barcelona those two years I would be 100% confident of a result and we could have been tied with Liverpool for the most successful European side in England.

Don't even get me started on my distaste for Robben after that fucking brilliant goal vs. United to knock us out of the semis.

[–]Arsenalcapturedgooner 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Especially when those two wins were far from definitive.

[–]AS Romaonnekas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha

[–]Manchester UnitedBigCheeser -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao yea right

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it was a joke

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't think so mate, but I could be wrong.

[–]Indonesiazahrul3 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

He's the same guy that signed the likes of Bebe and thought Macheda was the next big thing.

[–]Dundee UnitedDannDannDannDann 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Macheda did pretty much win him a title though, it might have been the only thing he ever did but it could be so much worse

[–]United Statesfutbolsven 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, Macheda is 22, and still a Manchester United player - so who knows what his future holds.

[–]Manchester Unitedbadgarok725 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Macheda was clearly better than Welbeck at one point, Fergie kept him in Manchester and didn't send him on loan until Welbz was breaking in

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember my mates were saying Macheda was before Chich when he came in, so there was no way he'd see any minutes.

[–]Newcastle Uniteddonttaxmyfatstacks 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He hadn't even seen Bebe play, he signed him purely on the word of Jorge Mendes. The whole transfer was incredibly shady and I doubt it was done for footballing reasons.

[–]Manchester Unitedtestbug0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

not Mendes, but Carlos Queiroz's recommendation. you're right about the other stuff though.

Mendes took over as Bebe's agent just before Man Utd bid for him.

[–]Minnesota UnitedAnonBarksdale 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Queiroz told him to sign Bebe...

[–]Manchester UnitedBigCheeser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess that proves he never signed anyone good

[–]Englandhas-13 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

It makes a huge difference if a 'kid get's uppity', Beckham did the same thing and was told to piss off and he was a lot better and had more reason to be so than Pogba was when he went. Ferguson couldn't afford to have his authority undermined, regardless of how good a prospect Pogba was

[–]Manchester Unitedtestbug0 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, Ferguson was a huge believer of putting the club before the player. there's no way he'd give in to an unproven player making demands no matter how good he was.

[–]Manchester UnitedRacepace 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

David Gill recently said they did everything they could, when someone is adamant to go though, there's not much you can do

[–]freckleddemon 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rumors were that he wanted a clause in his contract that assured him of minimum game time. Fergie would've never signed off on that for any player let alone a teenager who just had an average season in the reserves.

[–]PalmeirasDrDooneStruts 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://strettynews.com/the-rumours-and-the-reality-pogba-morrison-and-januzaj/

[–]Newcastle Uniteddonttaxmyfatstacks 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everybody should read this, seeing as how often this is brought up. TLDR Fergie wanted to keep him, but the player and his agent had other ideas.

[–]JuventusCee-Mon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just so. All in all, there's really nothing Ferguson could have done in the negotiation process to make Pogba stay (nothing sane, anyhow). It was never about money, and guaranteed playing time isn't something you put into a contract of just about any player. The only thing he could've done is give Pogba a shot in what was probably the deciding match, but you know, hindsight is ++

(Addendum: The Stretty writer makes it sound like requesting playing time is something completely out of the ordinary for up-and-coming players. Just want to point out how Ole Gunnar Solskjær confronted Ferguson with the same thing in his time, and many players aside from him, I'm sure.)

[–]Englandtigranater 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've said this a million times here, but Scholes nearly won us the season in 2012. He was third in the PFA Player of the Year voting at 37 years of age and only played half a season. Pogba had every right to be angered at his comeback but the truth of the matter is that Pogba was nowhere near the quality to play in midfield at a frequency like Scholes in 2011.

[–]Minnesota UnitedAnonBarksdale 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It gets so old how people come out with this stuff every time a pogba post gets made. If you saw Pogba in the appearances he made for United you would not be singing the same tune, I guarantee it. Even in the numerous youth/reserve matches there was never any widespread view by United fans that he was the answer to United's midfield, atleast not yet. Additionally, the way Pogba and his agent went about business with Fergie, of all managers, was idiotic and foolish. Fergie will never bow to a young player.

[–]Manchester Unitedsimplixtik 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He should have, yes. But apparently he wasn't showing as much potential in training and the coaches at utd weren't overly impressed with what they were seeing day in day out. They thought he'd be a decent player but didn't realise he'd be this good, this quickly. Big mistake. But hindsight is a handy thing.

[–]Manchester Unitedtestbug0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

then maybe this article will help you understand it more.

a lot of non United fans, understandably don't know everything that happened apart from what has come out in recent articles. most have never even seen Pogba when he played at United.

[–]Manchester Unitedspoofex 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The only thing that has ever crossed my mind was if Fergie had been pissed off by Pogba's agent/management in some way. That's the only even slightly rational thought I can have about it.

[–]Birmingham CityIHaventABloodyClue 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or he simply got it wrong. Fergie wasn't omniscient, he made mistakes.

[–]Manchester Unitedyourfacegoddamnit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I've seen it here repeatedly that when Pogba was at United, he wasn't performing anywhere nearly as a high level as he is at Juventus. Everyone knew he had potential but they didn't know he could perform this well at such a young age.

[–]United Statesjohnsom3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suspect this is exactly what happened.

[–]United Statesjohnsom3 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ferguson also selected Moyes as his replacement. Nobody is perfect.

[–]Manchester UnitedBigCheeser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read up a bit more on what your talking about man. Everybody knew he was a great talent.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's definitely an asset

[–]Manchester Unitedtestbug0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

huh? there are United fans who say United is better off without Pogba? that's news to me.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ive never heard that, as a matter of fact, I cant bring it up, I just choke up and start crying uncontrollably

DAE comma?

[–]Manchester Unitedvnzo2299 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate when we get linked to him then they start saying "we don't need him","I actually don't want him",etc. It just annoys me how they don't want a player with such potential, be in a crumby midfield like ours.

[–]Toronto FCKluey -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellaini > Pogba !

[–][deleted] 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

But can he run like a bishop?

[–]RC StrasbourgthePeete 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is some Patrick Viera in this guy.

[–]ArsenalYoung_Amini_Man 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does this mean what I think it means?pls

[–]Tottenham HotspurSkrong 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

More like Ruud Gullit IMO.

[–]Manchester UnitedRussianGnomeMissile -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking Fellaini.

Yeah right.

[–][deleted] 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

More of this, less of your current form please.

[–]Juventusadityaseth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's been in decent form lately, IMO. Some absolutely fantastic runs... against Fiorentina in the EL he was magnificent, same with the match against Parma.

Its becoming clear that Marchisio's lack of goalscoring is due to the fact that our midfield formation severely limits scoring opportunities on the left side. Pogba has been scoring a lot less from that side as well lately, while Vidal's side has been probing forward a lot better, hence Vidal has scored some 17-18 goals for us this season compared to Pogba's 6 and Marchisio's 1-2.

It'll be interesting to see what happens if we switch to a 4-3-3... Giovinco and Vucinic's performances when drifting wide last night were exactly what I've been saying will happen if they are played wide in that formation - they will cut to the line and actually deliver the kind of excellent crosses that Asamoah and Lichtsteiner generally don't make.

[–]BarcelonaUnexpectedJerk 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was almost as nice as the Fellaini run against Bayern.

[–]Manchester Unitedbadgarok725 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Skill was nice but he hit the defender on the noggin, not so great

[–]Arsenalfodgerpodger 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was only inches off of a perfect 35 yd pass

[–]Manchester UnitedIrishane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So?

[–]notegeek 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

what button is this in fifa 14?

[–]Chelseasteel93 112ポイント113ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just flick the right stick around a bit and hope for the best.

[–][deleted] 48ポイント49ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not the only one

[–]Manchester Unitedtre101 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the time I expect nothing to happen, then when something does happen I am so flabbergasted I look at the controller to try and work out what I did and when I look up I get tackled

[–]Wigan AthleticLesWaff 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

My brother does that. Usually with the goalkeeper. It rarely works out.

[–]Tottenham Hotspursmokey815 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is my strategy when I try to skill. I know one skill move, but that's it.

[–]GermanyhenryKI111 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

L4 , if you dont have that button , then you cant do it

[–]New England Revolutioniloveartichokes -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can actually do this in fifa

[–]AS RomaLemonmazarf20 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a pass....

[–]f365legend 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

Better than Cleverly?

[–][deleted] 45ポイント46ポイント  (12子コメント)

Nah, Tom is far more efficient. As you can see in the gif, Pogba has to do unnecessary fancy shit to move slightly to the side. Tom would've just passed it sideways straight away. Just like he always does.

[–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hey, I'm sure there's quite a few teams who would like the English Joe Allen in their lineup.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

I like Cleverley. He seems to love the club and gives every game he plays in a fair amount of effort. But he's not quite good enough, I'm afraid. I'd love to see him head off to Everton (as is rumoured) and do well for himself, à la Gibson.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, he's not a bad player, but I just don't think he's cut out for the level United want to be at, especially when you're underperforming you don't need the pressure being at United brings. I've said to other people he'd do well to get to a team like Everton or a team of that ilk where he has less pressure and can develop more.

(Also I think Joe Allen is more than just a sideways passer, I just wanted to make a joke)

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ha, I assumed you did think a bit more of Allen than that. :p

Personally, I don't think he's much better than Cleverley. He's just better at the role of playing boring, safe passes from side-to-side. Good enough to be a squad player but not much else imo.

I'd agree on Cleverley. He can get better, definitely, but likely only somewhere he wont be scrutinized for constantly breaking up attacks with a sideways pass along the half way line.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

At the moment I'd rather have Allen, I think he has a little more to his game than Cleverly now, and if he played more he'd get to show that. He was also played out of position a lot too. I've noticed him trying to be more offensive with his passing too. But only time will tell. When we played City and Chelsea earlier this year and were unlucky, he was part of our best performances of the season. (until we thrashed Arsenal anyway). I may be biased about how good he is though and I'll admit that.

I think if you'd not had to play him so much over the past two seasons either it would have helped him. Instead he's had to play because you've not made enough investment. You still need probably 2-3 midfielders in the summer anyway. Though I wonder if he'll stay so you can meet your home grown players quota?

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think the hope is to have the likes of Zaha, Januzaj, Lingard start filling the homegrown spots to make up for it. Alongside Welbeck, Rooney, etc we should be ok.

Oh, I'd probably take Allen in a choice of the pair too, if not for Tom having come through the youth ranks, but only just. That's all I'm saying.

Edit: Not sure if Adnan counts, actually.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fair enough, seems reasonable. Don't you have those two lads called Keane who are meant to be decent? One's a forward one's a Cb if I'm not mistaken?

Fair enough. At this point I think the main difference is that Cleverley is playing an an underperforming team, and Allen is playing in an overperforming one.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, Will and Michael. They're looking reasonably promising. Michael's on loan at Blackburn, Will at QPR. We've also got Lingard at Brighton and Powell at Wigan. All in all, a bright young bunch.

I do fear Michael may suffer a little being behind three young defenders in Evans, Jones and Smalling. Likewise, you'd have to assume Will Keane would fall behind Angelo Henriquez who is behind our first 4 choices upfront.

Edit: Wrong Keane @ striker. :x

[–]Manchester Unitedinclore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who better to take the mantle of Captain Backpass/ Sideways from Carrick?

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never ceases to amaze me

[–]Gadzs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is soo dirty

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Refresh my memory, did he ever even get minutes in the first team before he left?

[–]Manchester UnitedHorriBliss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, three substitute appearances in the cup: 10, 20 then 35 minutes, IIRC.

Here's an article on the whole affair that you will enjoy: http://strettynews.com/the-rumours-and-the-reality-pogba-morrison-and-januzaj/

[–]ChelseaArthur90 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, Fellaini's better.

[–]nimietyword -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

no elbows why make it harder for your self

[–]Real Madridvicinadp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that made my pants pretty snug

[–]ArsenalYouFeelShame 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He created so much space for activities

[–]Liverpoolpharelljordan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy who passes to him is just like, "Fuck this, I am done."

[–]Manchester UnitedBossVanClutch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Poor first touch.
  2. The ball nutmegs him.
  3. He turns around in confusion.
  4. Sees the ball, moves towards it... only to clumsily push it further away with every step.
  5. Kicks ball away in frustration.

Five year old me, ladies and gentlemen.

[–]tadm123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Toure Yaya'esque

[–]Hong Konglomochauhai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

strong and skillful... doesnt come around very often

[–]Ghanamensahts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just disgusting.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How on earth did we let him go

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would love to see him at Arsenal. Reminds me so much of Vieira. Class.

[–]Manchester Unitedcharliehustlee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to the past CEO David Gill we offered him a contract at what he wanted, but he felt he wouldnt play regardless due to his previous play time. He didnt let him go, he chose to leave, you can blame him for maybe not playing him more, but he was also mediocre in his previous appearances before he left. Should have just given him a run of games, but hindsight is of course 20-20

[–]Chelseamellvins059 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

And Sir Alex chose Cleverly...

[–]Manchester UnitedBigCheeser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No he didn't

[–]ChelseaIHadaFishOnce -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I get really frustrated when this gets posted here and all I see are people claiming he's the next Vieira. So he recieved the pass with his toes, leaving the ball to a short flick, and he got lucky with the bounce. Then after awkwardly retaining posession, he sends in a decent low cross to the box, where it luckily goes to the striker.

The defense should've done better

[–]Juventusghobbins 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Watch his highlights man. It's not lucky if he consistently does it.

[–]ChelseaIHadaFishOnce -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

watch his highlights

That's kind of the problem here. Pogba has been out of form for months, and people are suggesting it all comes down to a lack of flicks like these. A player's quality comes from the impact he brings to the game. He can emulate Quaresma and Nani all he wants, but its players like Makele and Vieira he should be emulating.

My point is not that Pogba sucks, I actually think he's fantastic. My point is that I can do without a "watch this Pogba volley" post every day

[–]InternazionaleAvailable_user-name 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He shouldn't emulate Vieira and Makelele. He's much more talented on the ball and attacking forward than they were. He has a very unique style and i think he's still finding his position and dimension as a player, but if he has to take inspiration from anyone i would say Yaya Toure

[–]Juventusghobbins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Even when Pogba is on form and affecting the game positively, he's flicking it around and making fancy touches. That's just his way. And a big reason why he stands out and gets fanfare.

[–]Manchester Unitedbenderrod -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

nice piece of skill, but shit ball at the end.

[–]Chelsealaowai123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didier Pogba

[–]Manchester UnitedNGU-Ben -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

WHY ALEX WHY

[–]Real Sociedadwill_reddit_for_doge -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's so great about him? He doesn't have a lot of assist nor goals. Maybe you guys can stop hyping him up when he's not yet established himself.