Personal impressions into the matter aside for the moment, social science examining the issue of sex differences in manipulation skill and proclivity to manipulate are scarce. But a recent study definitely fingers women as the more manipulative sex in at least one major life domain.
Parental mate choice manipulation tactics: Exploring prevalence, sex and personality effects.
Parents and children are genetically related but not genetically identical, which means that their genetic interests overlap but also diverge. In the area of mating, this translates into children making mate choices that are not in the best interest of their parents. Parents may then resort to manipulation in order to influence their children’s mating decisions in a way that best promotes the former’s interests. This paper attempts to identify the structure of manipulation tactics that parents employ on their daughters and sons, as well as on their daughters’ and sons’ mates, and also to estimate their prevalence. On the basis of the structure of the derived tactics, four hypotheses are tested: Mothers are more willing than fathers to use manipulation tactics; parents are willing to use more manipulation on their daughters than on their sons; the personality of parents predicts the use of tactics on their children and on their children’s mates; and the personality of children and of children’s mates predicts the use of tactics on them. Evidence from two independent studies provides support for the first three hypotheses, but mixed support for the fourth hypothesis. The implications of these findings are further discussed.
So mothers are more apt than are fathers to manipulate their children. What is the underlying evolutionary reason for this particular sex disparity?
Women being physically weaker, having less access to weaponry, having little control over wealth, and consequently being less aggressive, need to resort to manipulation in order to promote their interests effectively. […]
Furthermore, due to internal gestation, mothers are 100% certain that their children are their own; this is not the case for fathers, however, who are less certain about paternity. This indicates that mothers see their interests as being more overlapping with the interests of their children, and so they have a stronger concern about the latter’s mate choices. For instance, a bad mate choice on behalf of their children that compromises the fitness of their grandchildren (e.g., a mate who is likely to run away) will be more costly to mothers, who are certain that these grandchildren are actually their own, than to fathers, who are less certain. Accordingly, mothers will be more likely to interfere than fathers if they believe that a choice is not good for their daughters or sons.
This female facility with manipulation extends to the romantic sphere. In a state of nature (no Pills, no abortion, no female economic self-sufficiency or legal coddling), women run a MUCH greater risk of life-altering changes from a single act of loving penetration. Manipulation is the tool women use to level the playing field… or, more precisely, to tilt the playing field to their advantage in a modern social environment where every lever is already halfway pulled in their direction.
The irony of this biomechanic reality is that it runs totally counter to feminist and white knight blather about “manipulative cads/PUAs/niceguys/jerks/patriarchal oppressors”. The intimate, limbic knowledge that women are in fact the more manipulative sex drives self-regarding women (and their effeminate male custodians) to project this instinctive female power onto their protagonists. This is especially true of ugly women who most certainly feel the burn of male rejection and female ostracism more hotly.
Another consequence of the asymmetry in parental investment, with women being a scarce reproductive resource, is that parents are more interested in controlling the mate choices of their daughters than of their sons (Perilloux, Fleischman, and Buss, 2008). In particular, as men strive to gain access to women, by controlling the latter, parents can better control mate choice (Apostolou, 2010). Furthermore, due to the risk of pregnancy and the value that men ascribe to the chastity of women (Buss, 2003), the mating behavior of daughters is likely to be more consequential than the mating behavior of sons. For instance, a sexual adventure can commit a daughter’s parental investment to a man that her parents do not approve of, and/or damage her reputation, compromising her future chances of attracting desirable mates. Last but not least, parents cannot be certain of their relatedness to grandchildren fathered by their sons, but they can be certain about their relatedness to their grandchildren mothered by their daughters. This means that parents may have more genetic interests at stake in the mating choices of their daughters than of their sons, which in turn would motivate them to control their daughters more.
Overall, as parents are more interested in the mating behavior of their daughters than of their sons, it is predicted that they will be more willing to use manipulation on the former than on the latter.
Women vs women, redux.
Blaming the patriarchy (or the matriarchy) is beside the point; these forces molding the behaviors of men and women are without moral dimension. They exist to serve a god which in its feral simplicity frightens and offends the conscious human sensibilities which themselves are unwitting servants to the prime directive.
Interestingly, younger parents are more likely than older parents to employ manipulative tactics on their children.
One possible explanation for the latter finding is that the residual reproductive value of younger parents is higher than the residual reproductive value of older parents. In other words, parents have more reproductive years ahead of them when they are younger than when they are older. In a pre-industrial context, and most probably during ancestral times, parents would control their children’s mate choices so as to arrange beneficial marriage alliances, and they could divert this cost in their own reproductive effort (Apostolou, 2014). For instance, a father could use the bridewealth he received from the marriage of his daughter to get an additional wife for himself, while a mother could use the resources derived from a beneficial alliance to mother additional children. However, these reproductive benefits are exhausted with age, which means that older parents have less to gain from controlling their children. As a consequence, there will be less intense selection pressures exercised on older parents to control mating, which in turn may result in older parents being less interested in using manipulation to influence their children’s mate choice.
Follow the bouncing ball on this one. Age of first marriage and first child in the West have been increasing for decades. If the theory above holds, that suggests an aggregate decrease in the number of daughters who are feeling pressured by their parents to marry well. Hello, alpha fux…
So who is the most manipulative of them all?
Our findings suggest that the highest degree of manipulation will come from relatively young mothers with low conscientiousness and will be applied predominantly to their daughters.
And the least manipulative?
Highly conscientious, older male parents are the least likely to apply manipulation on their children and especially on their sons.
Age mellows, via multiple pathways. And sons are less stressful on fathers than are daughters. Spread the seed, guard the eggs.
What forms of manipulation do parents, and especially mothers, use? And how do these forms differ when used on sons or daughters?
For daughters, 12 tactics emerged (see Table 1), which largely overlap with the tactics that have been identified by Apostolou (2013). In particular, we have been able to replicate 8 of the 12 tactics: “hardball,” “matchmaker,” “coercion,” “prevention,” “whom one should marry,” “carrot and stick,” “chaperoning,” and “guilt trip.” Two more tactics that emerged here are closely related with previously identified tactics. In particular, the “advice and support” tactic is close to the previously identified tactic of “advice and reasoning.”
However, although there is some overlap, acts associated with reasoning do not load on the tactic that emerged here. It appears that acts associated with support (usually when something goes wrong with respect to romantic relationships) load highly instead. Similarly, the “social comparison and moral advising” is close to the “social comparison” tactic; however, the tactic that emerged here also has an aspect of moral advising. It seems then that parents use social comparison to demonstrate to their daughters what is morally right and wrong. The “use of relatives and friends” tactic did not emerge here. Instead, one tactic that emerged is “monitoring,” where parents closely monitor their daughters’ activities and try to get information about their behavior. Finally, the “emotional manipulation” tactic is similar to the “silent treatment” tactic, although in this case several acts that involve emotional manipulation also load.
For sons, 12 factors emerged as well (see Table 1). Nine of these closely overlap with previously identified tactics: “hardball,” “matchmaker,” “coercion,” “prevention,” “whom one should marry,” “carrot and stick,” “chaperoning,” “guilt trip,” and “use of relatives and friends.” As in the case of daughters, the “advice and support” tactic emerged, which is similar to the previously identified tactic of “advice and reasoning.” Also, the “emotional manipulation” tactic emerged, which is similar to the “silent treatment” tactic. The social comparison tactic did not emerge, but as in the case of daughters the “monitoring” tactic emerged. Overall, it appears that the structure of parental manipulation on sons is similar to the one on daughters. But there are differences, one being that the “social comparison and moral advising” tactic emerged only for daughters, whereas the “use of relatives and friends” tactic emerged only for sons.
“Social comparison and moral advising” is probably the unconscious default shaming tactic that parents use on wayward daughters because women are, on the whole, the more lemming-like sex. Women respond to the prospect of social ostracism more viscerally than do men.
Women are on average the more manipulative sex, but there is field evidence that some men are master manipulators in their own right. Pickup artists and assorted practitioners of the crimson arts have co-opted the manipulative power of womanhood for their own romantic and sexual benefit. They have taken what is women’s strongest hand and added a Joker for the five of a kind. These maestros of the muff understand that women are solipsistic creatures who fall in love with their reflections, and thus with the men who are adept at holding the mirror up to them.
Indeed single and divorced mothers are the most manipulative towards their daughters. Specially when the age difference is of 15-20 years only. A neighboor I dated was completely controlled by her mother, even at 30.
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The very worst kind of mother is the one who uses her daughter to live out her unfulfilled desires. This kind of mother is predominantly married…thankfully, this may be a one or two generation problem. #thanksfeminism
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Beware single mothers who foist a ‘it’s you and me against the world’ relational dynamic upon their daughters at a young age – often, but not always, as a means of alienating that young daughter from continued involvement with a caring father who is more than willing, but largely legally unable, to be a part of her upbringing. It’s a sickening, unhealthy dynamic and it’s abusive to the child (daughter). So many of these fucking single mothers…
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You could have stopped right there and you’d have good all-purpose advice.
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Steve H really hit home for me with the “mothers who foist a ‘it’s you and me against the world’ relational dynamic upon their daughters at a young age – often, but not always, as a means of alienating that young daughter from continued involvement with a caring father who is more than willing, but largely legally unable, to be a part of her upbringing.” IMO/YMMV
I wasn’t even divorced and had accepted that this was because my daughters were also female for years before the scales fell off my eyes. Though secretly I have known since childhood the women were the most manipulative and secretive of either sex.
Mine developed an alliance against the nasty brute and continually prodded and promoted the BBF with my girls, though that dynamic is a little tarnished now. :p
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“Beware single mothers who foist a ‘it’s you and me against the world’ relational dynamic upon their daughters at a young age – often, but not always, as a means of alienating that young daughter from continued involvement with a caring father who is more than willing, but largely legally unable, to be a part of her upbringing.”
this is the biggie. single mothers are a problem in general but there are a few decent women out there who put their selfish needs aside and try to work with the ex to raise the children with both parents involved. these are the exception to the rule obviously. women of good character are getting harder and harder to come by.
women who keep their children away from their fathers and sabotage their relationship with him are operating solely out of self-interest. they are obviously psychologically damaged people and should never have become mothers.
these women are the lowest of the low. they care more about themselves than they ever could for their children. they are masters of manipulation and deception. they lie and tell the children and everyone else that the father doesn’t care enough about them to be in their lives but they are usually the ones making that impossible. they act like martyrs and have gaggles of friends, family and loyal beta boyfriends picking up the slack for them and sympathizing with the hardship they suffer for having to do it all alone. but these women cause their plight in most cases. they move cities or states away from the children’s father and say it’s in their right to do so. they turn every visitation or discussion into a confrontation and poison their children with lies about their father so much that the children eventually have no interest in seeing him anymore. disgusting creatures. i have a sister like that so i’ve seen it first hand. women like that don’t deserve to be mother’s. god help the children.
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“Beware single mothers who foist a ‘it’s you and me against the world’
….Except for when it comes to government cheques, handouts and assorted gifts and prizes.
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“women who keep their children away from their fathers and sabotage their relationship with him are operating solely out of self-interest”
Amen.
“the children eventually have no interest in seeing him anymore”
Breaks your heart.
Its a woman’s duty to foster a relationship between her child and the child’s father whether they are still married or not. This is for the CHILD’s sake. Children NEED their fathers.
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baseball bats are through only answer
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@ Promethean
Exactly right. Even if they aren’t getting subsidized housing and monetary aid, they are all in school these days. “Trying to better themselves” They dump their kids off with anyone they can while they go to school on someone else’s dime. The kids hardly ever see her.
My neighbor is one of those chicks. She’s been in school off and on for probably ten years with nothing to show for it. She’s been fired from jobs so I’m sure she’s a horrible student too. Going to school is just an attempt to keep all the people she uses off her back and a way to try to prove to herself and everyone else that she’s not a selfish loser.
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You see this mentality play out in sports. How many times has somr rah rah coach motivated (manipulated) his players with that idiotic mantra “us v. The world.” The message resonates, these urban yoof kids have heard this message their whole lives (OK so single mammy conveniently omits part about “the world” providing for said kid, Section 8, ebt, school lunches etc).
The cameras will eventually show baby mama (all 300 lbs of her…..looking at you lebron James mom) in the stands. Cheering her baby.
Where have you gone john rocker, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you……
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> ‘it’s you and me against the world’
God damn it I would almost prefer to go on living the Pretty Little Lies.
So much Truth at this website.
Truth overload.
God damn it – it can be so depressing to read this shit.
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dont dispair. i used to cringe at the truths mentioned here. embrace the truth and use it to your advantage. personally, because of the truths mentioned here i decided to not marry a quite good looking woman i used to be with. everyone scolded me. now that she married some other guy, and this poor fellow is suffering the consequences , now i know i did the right thing. im still a beta, but i ahve avoided huge shitstorms.
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Man, I’ve seen that ‘you and me against the world’ masochistic suicidal nonsense.
Up close and personal.
Thought I was the only one.
Didn’t realize that that shit was freaking ubiquitous.
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Where have you gone john rocker, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you……
Well done
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” God damn it – it can be so depressing to read this shit”
Then let THIS gratuitously posted Golden Dawn video cheer you up.
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> “cheer you up”
Thanks.
I’ve been thinking about this, and about the question of whether maybe single motherhood is just a self-selecting statistic for mental illness*.
Whether we think of single moms as being crazy precisely because that’s what they are – semi-stable outpatient psychiatric cases.
This shit about “you and me against the world” – to try to turn the kids against the men who would otherwise love to offer help – it’s like a fucking masochistic almost suicidal streak in these poor women.
*Now that the Frankfurt School has completely laid waste to all of the cultural impediments to single motherhood which our civilization had spent thousands of years erecting.
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LIFO’ed reply.
But thanks.
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BTW, this is what used to happen to single mothers and their children:
Death records for 796 children at Tuam home published in full
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Death-records-for-796-children-at-Tuam-home-published-in-full.html
Really horrifying.
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This guy is still convinced that the children’s corpses were probably thrown in the septic tank:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3169049/posts
And if not the septic tank, then where?
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Forbes tried to debunk the septic tank theory, but even after his addendum, the author still doesn’t offer up any other possible burial ground for the kids:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2014/06/09/that-story-about-irish-babies-in-a-septic-tank-is-a-media-hoax/
Nasty, nasty stuff.
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[…] Are Men Or Women More Manipulative? […]
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Fascinating. Before I read it, and I saw title, I said women of course!
I believe manipulation is more naturally to women, yes there will there will be men who are master manipulators, but it is the exception not the rule.
Regarding the age mellows part, I have another theory. Maybe I am very wrong, but could higher estrogen levels be related to manipulation? We know that higher physical agression is related to testosterone, yes? Higher estrogen levels and higher femininity make a woman less physically strong and muscular than a high T woman. Therefore she has more need to use the strategy of manipulation. As she ages, and estrogen levels decline, she becomes less manipulative.
I think manipulation is not always a bad thing, actually I am sure it is not. There is such a thing as purposeful and productive manipulation to aid people. Or if a woman is afraid to say something out right, because she does not have physical prowess of man to to fight if it comes to that, she will try to cleverly manipulate the issue, and say it in kinder words.
It has many benefits, It is only wrong when manipulation is used for bad and self gain. Used correctly it becomes a weapon, just as a man’s physical strength is. It becomes way to make her husband feel better, or to protect him or her children etc.
Men’s manipulation I believe is not as natural, unless he is a psychopath or sociopath. It is a learned skill, I think.
Great study!
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all goal-oriented communication is a form of manipulation (aka seduction), so you’re right to think that the subject isn’t an inherently evil one.
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I think you can’t compare women who manipulate with good intentions and PUAs who try to manipulate beautiful emotionally healthy women into feeling love with them..
[CH: how magnanimous of you!]
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Even attempts by one man to persuade another with logic, peer-to-peer?
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“all goal-oriented communication is a form of manipulation (aka seduction), so you’re right to think that the subject isn’t an inherently evil one.”
Thank you.
@ K the sockpuppet, it can be bad either way or good either way.
We all manipulate sometimes.
And that includes men trying to make women fall in love, yes.
Why the two cannot be compared? It is the same thing. Just most men are not naturally as good at it. How many men want to learn game to get beautiful woman? Many.
But why women do not need game? Because female game is innate. (Supposed to be anyway), if they are feminine. It is innate to women to know how to be femininely charming. And because feminism is one whole big manipulation, taking masculinity away from men, many men no longer know to get a woman. So understanding the root cause of it, helps in fighting against it.
For example if the manipulation that is feminism, made you not able to get a woman with your natural masculinity, and you learned game, would that be evil? No, not necessarily, because you are using it as a tool and a defense against modern norms. Where as Feminism would be an evil, because it was a good tool used for evil purpose. There is no evil in defense.
@Heywood jablome. Maybe I am wrong in my opinion, but I do not consider that most men would have a need to use manipulation to persuade their peers with logic. The manipulation detracts from the logic, and makes it futile, unless you are dealing with a feminine man. I could be wrong, but I always consider that if men are talking to each other they want logic, and not emotional manipulation.
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is it not the men who have become master manipulators who actually run the show …they have become so femine/masculine they manipulate at a world level …they show there masculine side with the wars/fights/battles etc and they show there feminine side behind the scenes manipulating the oil/economy/energy etc…then there is the bob”i could fuc a lesbian” wally types
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K, the chick to be used for sex DUMPED the guy after a LTR and then proceeded to dangle herself in front of him like raw meat in front of a dog without any regard for his feelings or whether he needed some time to get over the relationship.
Sounds to me like she might be the one who doesn’t know what “love” means.
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k,
You’re tipping your hand😉 And now you’re with Amy? All the good trolls are taken!!!
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But a recent study definitely fingers women
hehe
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This study from the Institute Of Painstakingly Proving The Blatantly Obvious.
I figure since even Chaucer had the clue that women were the more manipulative sex that it was rather common knowledge since at least, what, the 12th century?
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“Duke Pornstar” would make a great troll handle BTW.
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Too bad I’m already writing under my porn name.
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o/t, accidental dread game with flashback.
The other night my partner of 20+ years was very enthusiastic and active in bed – quite like old times. I’m looking down at her while fucking :
“Do you remember when we went to that festival and you went off to see Freya? Did you fuck her?”
Now this was more than 20 years ago, when I was as alpha as I’ll ever be. Big social circle, comfortable with lovely girls, added value to parties etc – and no money whatsoever (relatively wealthy hopeless beta now).
I’d left my newish girlfriend with the friends we’d arrived with and gone off for an hour to see a pretty blonde who I liked but didn’t know very well. We just chatted and got on well (I did sleep with her months later).
I didn’t have any motives except seeing a girl I liked (so didn’t have any guilt about going to see her – suppose you’d say my inadvertant frame was strong). I was happy to leave my girl to get to know my friends better – no idea of mate-guarding. To be honest I’d forgotten that I’d gone to see Freya that day until my partner reminded me.
But what I do remember was that in our tent that weekend my then girlfriend and I had some of the longest, slowest, hottest, most intense sex I’d ever had. I’d put her incredible arousal and her abandonment down to my boyish charm and thought I was obviously on good form.
But …little did I know she had the thought in her head that I’d probably been nailing another girl a few hours before. Even 20+ years later the thought/worry did something for her. Which of course is the complete opposite of the conventional wisdom, by which she should have been moody, suspicious, maybe upset or angry. Instead I couldn’t put a foot, finger or anything else wrong with her that weekend.
Maybe for alpha males the sex is always as good as that.
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A first step to getting out of the hopeless beta mode is to quit using the term partner to describe your woman, that’s feminist/ SWPL talk.
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Maybe for manipulative males the sex is always as good as that
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start having her cum when you tell her too eventually she really will
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not there yet I think one of my goals though
just told my chick making bed to cum
she said trying to make putty throb no dice though on cummin
ahh one day
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there was also a pathetic attempt to vocalize it
he he he
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start having her cum when you tell her too eventually she really will
Svengali smiles upon you from the grave…
Strunk & White, not so much.
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i don’t have evil intent i don’t think
””””’ cleanliness, accuracy, and brevity in the use of English.” ””””””
i think really my shit it pretty clean lol
considering i tried to explain what i write and it takes paragraphs to explain what i wrote in one run on sentence
or one phrase
but this ain’t first time you used that book i don’t think dejavu
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Women are great at betraying men and then making them feel guilty for it. Seriously, I don’t know how they do it but that’s some next-level manipulation right there.
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First step in getting past this is not giving 2 fucks when they start crying. Girls can turn that on like a light switch.
The first time you don’t cave when they start crying and see the switch will be your hardest lesson in keeping frame. They get madder than hell if you don’t kowtow to the tears and that’s your indicator that their emotion is not sincere. One second you think she’s utterly shattered, and the next she’s spitting raw vitriol. Level 10 Manipulation, Let’s say you catch your girl doing something really shady. She will start with 100 excuses, hold the line…then she starts getting pouty and breaking eye contact, looking down, or away all dramatic like…hold frame, then come the welling of tears..hold frame…then she’s making excuses while stroking your ego (“I just love you so much it drives me crazy and I just don’t know what to do”)..again hold frame. If you can sit through that phase for 10 minutes she’ll get really frustrated cuz her kansas city shuffle isn’t working..that’s when the lesson comes in, she will drop the whole thing since it’s not working. Pull her ego back together and all of a sudden she’s going to “fuck someone else tonight!” or she’s “got a doctor blowing her phone up” or she’s “just with you for a fun” or any other trash spewing ego-saving line to make you feel bad and her feel better about herself. It will come out if she’s actually trifling.
If it gets that far and she doesn’t get into the verbal attacks..she’s probably worth your time.
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Bill Burr has a great bit about it.
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“If it gets that far and she doesn’t get into the verbal attacks..she’s probably worth your time.”
good tip. some girls are hostile and defensive by nature and others aren’t. if she verbally attacks you instead of apologizing or trying to discuss things rationally, she’s a pain in the ass. NEXT!
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Re. CH Twitter: The Miriam Weeks article in Time is pretty sensible. No self-pity party, no feminist talking points. Just a correct argument on behalf of the middle class and a strike at the “cathedral’s” funding source.
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Thanks.
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“I cannot tell you how difficult it is to hear my wealthy friends talk about all of the exciting summer plans in Greece or London they have, while I know I’m going to be working.”
“Everyone is focused on my decision to perform in porn to pay my tuition. Let’s start paying attention to what got me here.”
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Entitlement
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male game as countervailing to female manipulation tactics in era where constraining factors of: necessary reproductive discretion in female mate choice, larger caloric shares generated by male, male violence are abolished/diminished
more interesting will be the downstream genetic effects on populations effected. pro-social (non-manipulative, self-sacrificing) behavior selected against does not a stable civilization make. re: Africa
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Also, this wasn’t mentioned, but I imagine manipulation is stronger if the children are genetically closer to the parents (as in inbred cultures like Muslims or Hindus), and weaker if they’re further (as with mixed-race children, such as Miriam Weeks mentioned just above).
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Looking at my own life, it is plain to see the myriad ways in which my ugly mother manipulated the hell out of me sending me into this thing with the woman who became my wife. My father was a weakling who stayed in the shadows my whole life, and I was an only child.
Mom’s influence over me continued well into my 30s. I didn’t start to get clear of it until she was almost dead.
It amuses me in a morbid way to consider that if she had ever had another kid, and that kid had been a daughter, she probably would have been less invested in screwing with my life.
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Dude, seek out one of them Charismatic churches that we were talking about.
Analyze this shit, and understand it, and see it for what it is, and vow that you will never engage in this behavior yourself.
But then you and the Big Fella Upstairs are gonna need to have a nice long man-to-man about forgiving your mother.
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PS: And also do NOT dismiss the possibility that your mother knew precisely what she was doing, and that maybe you actually owe her a debt of gratitude.
Think long and hard about that possibility.
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Bad advice. you have no obligation to forgive shit. if your mom is as worthless as mine is (and as society allows)…..dump her ass.
well…….bye.
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I’m not pissed at either of my parents. They made the best of a shitty situation, and fucked it all up, because they were human. Mom and I made our peace a long time ago. We talked about a lot of this stuff in the last year of her life. Forgiving it doesn’t wipe away the scars though. Scar tissue binds things together, but it does not function. I have a lot of scars, and I will never be what I could have been.
I think I’m finally finding calm. Crazy chick send me spiraling into another emotional typhoon, and that’s just what I have to deal with, because of the scars. I have so many issues, it’s totally ridiculous.
I don’t know if I’ll ever fuck that girl or not, but she sure has been great for me. She’s my emotional tampon, and I’ve been using her from the beginning to blot up my clotted twat blood. If she’s letting me use her that way, she will probably let me use her smooth young snatch eventually too.
Either way, I’m really onto something with crazy chicks. I just have to keep finding crazy chicks. Like that stripper I got so wet, but never figured out how to fuck; the one with live scorpions in her platform shoes. That girl was awesome.
I should probably start gaming trailer parks or something, huh?
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Well, don’t go making any trips to Bombay… she may have laid traps for you along the way there as well.
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white knights, help bad grrrlz to unwind. something like a phenomenon telling hypergamy to cum along… https://ssl.bbc.com/id/signin?ptrt=http%3A%2F%2Fm.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Ftechnology-27884429
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Thanks for the summary.
“Furthermore, due to internal gestation, mothers are 100% certain that their children are their own; this is not the case for fathers, however, who are less certain about paternity. This indicates that mothers see their interests as being more overlapping with the interests of their children, and so they have a stronger concern about the latter’s mate choices.”
Interesting point. Evolutionary explanations are, like almost any other kind of explanation, regardless of research area, a bit ad hoc, but it seems both reasonable and theoretically coherent.
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Game is the male revolt against the sexual caste system imposed by feminism.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/06/the-sexual-counter-revolution/
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Good read.
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Women win this easily.
For a further breakdown, everyone should read The Great Female Con. Here’s a link for it:
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I actually bought that ebook and it was 20 bucks wasted. It adds nothing to the conversation that the likes of CH, Rollo, Krauser haven’t already covered.
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There’s nothing like a militarized, trigger happy police force to make you believe your nation’s future is bright. ”””””
wow top pic has nothing to do with the bottom video
was there two shooting of people in cuffs
the bottom video execution of a white dude
nobody got pushed off they had positive control of him entire time up to his death
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well ok push off then cop on back cop at head then execution
but yea wow that’s pretty amazing
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The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar answers this question best
http://www.rooshv.com/the-manipulated-man
Enjoy…
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Bull
Shit
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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I wonder how this manipulation varies among races, eg Indian girls pressured into marrying Indian guys whereas white girls rarely pressured to marry white guys.
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wow something hard for me to read jesus h christ
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Accordingly, mothers will be more likely to interfere than fathers if they believe that a choice is not good for their daughters or sons.”””””””””””’
yea the only time my mom was really scared of something that might happen to me was getting married to the chick that I used to hang with when young and hang with now
she definetly did not want me having a relationship with her for god dam sure
and I guess she must of known that chick did grow up to be pretty fat so yea not my type
she didn’t have to worry though I had no longterm relationship interest in that chick but I think she was maybe worried I would be manipulated into it with the i’m pregnant spiel
the chicks mom definetly was trying to arrange her daughter to be with me
everything else I did though was cool with her and she would defend me to the death on shit at school or wherever
all my other chicks I had come around she didn’t have a problem with
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summarized my mom did chase a bitch out the house the one I hang out with now that got fat
and definetly did not want me having relationship with
but she didn’t have a problem with any others that I had comin around
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Follow the bouncing ball on this one. Age of first marriage and first child in the West have been increasing for decades. If the theory above holds, that suggests an aggregate decrease in the number of daughters who are feeling pressured by their parents to marry well. Hello, alpha fux…
So who is the most manipulative of them all?
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my dad actually came over and was happy bout my little sis getting two cats I hammered him to the wall
woman should hate betas they weak
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Mothers both consciously and unconsciously know daughters at their reproductive peak are slaves to their fluctuating whims and require extra monitoring.
The surprising finding was women are less likely to manipulate daughters as they grow older. I would have assumed they’d be more manipulative with greater life experience and cynicism; think Cinderella’s stepmom.
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“use of relatives and friends.”
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seeing my uncle with his south Korean wife definety had an impact on me wanting to go Asian chicky
house immaculate had cool shit
peacefull place
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I can’t see having non-white kids though. And if you are not going to have kids, there’s no reason to get married.
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make sure you got a man cup
I got one only one like it In house a way to peacock I guess?
my chick blue alchohol shit In it i’m like that ain’t for that
she switched the alchohol out with another cup
refilled my cup but yea
nobody else gets it in my house
its mine and she knows it
it is like a symbol or something
I like it
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There is a reality TV show currently airing in Australia called When Loves Comes to Town.
The premise of the show is that a group of women aged from about 21 to 36 ride around outback Australia in a bus, and stop at various country towns to meet two pre-arranged men. They go on dates with the men to narrow down which ones the men are interested in, and then at the end, they choose whether to stay in the town with the man, or get back on the bus and head to the next town.
You have to see this show to believe it. The glorification of blue pill behaviour is incredible. The men in it, without exception, are all unbelievably beta – quintessential “nice guys “(this “gentlemanly” behaviour is of course applauded on the show). If you want to see epic examples of unsuspecting nice guys failing unrelenting, colossal shit-testing from amped up hypergamous young beauties on the prowl, tune into this show.
The best part is, the constant female hamster rationalizations that permeate the show always smack the enlightened viewer in the face with doses of red-pill truth.
If I had a dollar for every girl who, at the end of the episode, says “you are a perfect gentleman, such a great guy….but I just don’t feel there’s any chemistry, and I’m getting back on the bus..”
Other examples of side-splitting hamster rationalizing on the show:
“He’s older than the guys I normally go for.” This little nugget came from a THIRTY-SIX YEAR old chubby, referring to a 29 year old, above average looking, fit DOCTOR. The best part was, she STILL ended up rejecting him. (If ever you needed proof of why game is required folks, look no further than here. A good looking, fit, 29 year old doctor was rejected by a 36 year old fat girl for being too beta. Goodbye Australia…)
“I’ve always been unlucky in love.” You’re not unlucky, you’re just a 32 year old lawyer-cunt.
“I want him to like me for who I am, not for my body.” Hamster in overdrive.
“I don’t want anything to do with her/ I don’t understand what he sees in her.” Always from an older and/or chubby, referring to a young hot bimbo.
If you can stomach this sort of shit, it is highly entertaining viewing.
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As a fellow Aussie, I simply do not have the stomach for such Australian Mainstream Media Diarrhea.
Australian women are among the most entitled in the Western Word and our mainstream media is one of their biggest and most fervent enablers.
Basically, in Australia; Men are to blame for everything. Period.
Red Pill thinking has begun to spread but has a long, long way to go.
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let me be the one, who you turn to, someone you can rely on, closer each dayyy …
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https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/beauty/trends/article/-/24275930/australian-men-voted-hottest-on-planet/
I agree. Australian women are fugly and entitled.
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shouldn’t it be called
“When the Wall Hitting Hamster Comes To Town – (Hide Your Alphas)”
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They get driven around in a Bus powered by Hamster Power.
Australian woman that are getting married from the age of 20-25 tend to be those living out in rural areas with limited job opportunities/options and average to low intelligence.
In the main cities, the women in the 20-25 age range that are getting married tend to be from Arabic muslim and Indian backgrounds.
White Australian women are far too busy riding the carousel, working on their “careers” and/or holding out for their “Mr. Right” as per Mr. Meaners post.
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The comments here the other day lead me to an ROK post about game being hard in Australia due to the supercharged feminism/entitlement complex present in our women and how our men are some of the biggest betas/white knights, be interesting to see it played out on TV.
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ozzies have a reputation for being arrogant, but their team did them proud today against the dutch. a hard-working and intelligent performance and possibly a testament to their advanced sport science culture.
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Sounds like both he and society dodged a bullet. An excellent outcome.
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“The premise of the show is that a group of women aged from about 21 to 36 ride around outback Australia in a bus, and stop at various country towns to meet two pre-arranged men. ”
A bus powered by hp – Hamster Power.
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Did they give the bus a cutesy name like Priscilla?
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Sounds familiar. I go out on average 3 times a week, and what I see everywhere is that women 16-55 want men 16-28. If you’re over 30 and not actually Johnny Depp (complete with matching bank- and Twitter accounts), you can pretty much go jump off an overpass.
A little off-topic: I haven’t been to Oz, but have met plenty of Aussies and received some pretty mixed signals. Many of the ones I met in Europe were easily among the coolest people, party animals, world champion travelers, etc. you can think of, while many of the ones I’ve met in the US were combative assholes with huge chips on both shoulders or low-life sluts looking for Black guys. Why is that?
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Too small a gene pool?
Or too many shrimps on the barbie?
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I watched some of the first episode when I saw your comment about it. I was intrigued.
Those women are crazy. The two men, the carpenter and the lawyer were very nice. My immediate thought was that the lawyer was more handsome, but I think the carpenter had a nicer and more attractive personality.
What I could not understand about him is why he chose JJ? I do not want to be mean, but she had the most arrogant personality I have encountered in a woman.
At first he liked the nanny who was sweet and pretty, and then prefers this woman with the personality and arrogance of a man?
I am not saying she can not change. But she said no man finds her personality attractive, but she thinks the problem is with the men?
She is pretty, but that personality detracts from it. And the man chose her! God bless him!
Every of those men were decent. But they preferred the more masculine women and the older women. Maybe it is fixed?
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I saw that program. Both guys smiling like crazed simians, all but one woman 6 out of 10 at best. One doctor, one highly paid mining engineer, both rejected by plain boring women. I was thinking of this site while i watched that. One of the earlier guys cried when some plain Jane rejected him.
Women say they want nice guys, rich guys, guys with a nice smile. Those guys had all that but they were rejected.
Women want drama, social dominance, arousal, tumescence. Guys have gotta change their act. Everything you were told is wrong!
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money still makes the world go round and you can straight up buy love
so yea everything you told is wrong but
I like the buy love part he he he
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It’s no wonder that Australians are the biggest illegal downloaders in the World.
Our free-to-air tv channels are full of “When Love Comes To Town” reality tv type sh*t.
Pay tv isn’t much better.
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Alpha in the wild
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84161942/
#yesallwomen
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[…] Personal impressions into the matter aside for the moment, social science examining the issue of sex differences in manipulation skill and proclivity to manipulate are scarce. […]
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NY beyatches pay money to meet rich beta Silicon Valley nerds, love does not ensue. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-dating-ring-cross-country-love-2014-5 …””””””””””””””””””””’
I’ve said it before a long time ago
this is a national security issue
need to start a wing of the cia to recruit decent looking chicks to then go out and marry these dudes who are keeping the economy up
he he he
can you imagine how much power Russia for instance could have if they had there woman become an international symbol of a rich dude who had made it to have a Russian woman as a wife oh wait?
or if not so hot Asian chicks were marrying billionaires?
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One more study for people to stroke their egos over. Yet it won’t change a damn thing about the life process. Same shit (whether you view it as good, bad or ugly is beside the point) has been occurring since the inception. I’ll be more interested when the fundamental life mechanism (consumption, reproduction, cannibalism, addiction) can be changed.
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I am not reading/commenting here as much as I would like to, but seriously, the World Cup is happening.
You have 4 years to talk about girls. Americans have bought 5% of tickets to the finals, btw. Now there should be a permanent [post on the Cup
Lastly but not the leastly, world cup games in Brazil are almost carnival-like.
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If Germany wins then I might care… otherwise, meh.
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soccer is growing on me, but the flopping is really gay. best thing about the sport is the pattern recognition possibilities into national character.
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LOL CH what about the flopping in basketball (dwayne wade Lebron), football (faking injuries to buy time and cancel momentum), and diving in hockey. Hockey my favorite sport to watch BTW. Soccer is not “PUSHED/indoctrinated” here because they can’t make money having no commercials. There are no commercials during the halves.
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In Brazil you can get a white girl with an ass like a black girl.
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you can too in europe believe me. i was born here but mom/dad are southern european. last, the supermodels from south america are offspring of white nazis who left europe.
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And speaking of black asses, thwack once again chimes in with his usual suspect interracial muh-dikkery… soooooooo 14 minutes and 59 seconds ago.
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Spain and Chile tonight!😀 . What are your thoughts who are going to win? I hope Spain. The odds are 2-2.
The Russia Korea game was a decent game, but I was disappointed about 1-1. I was hoping Russia would get another goal.
The best game will be on Friday Greece Vs. Japan. I hope Greece win this time, the Greece Colombia game was a joke.😦 .
I am hoping for Greece to get the world cup, but how they played with Colombia, it is not seem likely. Any other European country will do.
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I will be happy if Germany win. I just do not want a South American country to win. They are too prideful and arrogant in their soccer skills, I want Europe winning to bring the glory back to Europe!
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What’s up with the intense parroting of the “I’m the OBJECTEEEV one” line?
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by femcunt and manboob, I mean.
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Actually, given the less-than-stellar performances of Brazil and Argentina, “markets” are moving towards pricing a Holland vs Germany final.
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Looks like the Geman and Netherlands teams are in fact mostly German and Dutch. But why why why must every western European team have an African guy or two? It ruins the entire aesthetic of national representation.
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Yep. Spain and Russia are probably the only European teams that are un-diverse.
The difference with Holland and Germany is that non-whites there seem to be on their teams due to talent, unlike Italy, England or France
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@gig
You’re full of shit. Sturridge is a phenomenal striker for the UK. Henri was phenomenal on the French team. Balotelli is undeniably awesome for Italy. Here in the US, Altidore opens up a soccer game like no other (though he’s unreliable for actual goals, and now injured).
Do you even *follow* soccer?
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But why why why must every western European team have an African guy or two? It ruins the entire aesthetic of national representation
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Thats simple; its because they are a bargin.
The difference between black players and white players in every team sport is that white players don’t hafta produce as soon as they are collecting a check. They are given time to “adjust”, “find themselves”, “get in the groove…”
Black players?
You got a year, MAYBE two; if you aint producing results, you will be gone.
Reggins know this too.
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speaking of manipulation, all you can hear these days, whenever you open a window or door is ehhhhnn rrrrrrhnnn. slumber slacks constantly cutting grass or shrubs round the clock. their wives must be total wagons. there’s no such thing as ‘it’s all right , I did it only 3 days ago’. the fat princess wants her doll house looking perfect so she can feel ssuperior to her frenemies, and the knees will be welded shut until her obedient oaf does her bidding
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I made my chick feel superior to her frenemy last night
the frenemy sucked my dick my chick got to push her head down make her feel like her bitch
yea definetly a good thing to make your woman look like queen of the hill
and If it benefits you too all the better
I ate my bitches pussy while she did it
cause yea ya got to make other bitches jealous of your bitch def part of life
you have to plan situations where your woman can feel superior to other woman
just like she should be making you feel superior to other men
so maybe the lawn might be part of that but find something else if ya don’t like doing that
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but she better be reciprocating cause she can’t be a fat bitch and make you feel like a king
just like other day me getting the 2 gallons alchohol and sharing it with everyone
massive value bump for me with my woman
alltruisim does get em off
I have so much I can give it away
but it makes your woman feel good cause yea other woman lookin so 70 bucks to make a statement
but had fun too win win
just like her running down the street in no shoes to get my icecream i’ll guarantee that she did the no shoes on purpose to what
make me look good
so yea if your woman ain’t out there while you mowing that grass with glasses of lemonade or whatever the fuck you drink and tying a sweatrag round your forehead and lighting you cigs if you smoke and showing off to that neighborhood how much attention you get in her most hot dress you cutting grass wrong
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funny part is I don’t even cut my own grass I pay a dude to do it
value I don’t need to cut grass
I cut my dads grass cause he was havin a bad day
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That’s a very good point, she should be parading you to the neighourhood as a he-man. I’ve seen the occasional woman do something like that in the distant past, but never gave their motives much thought. They were doing their best to be good women
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[…] For one thing, and again, while it is true that at the highest levels of the game, Men arranged marriages and the like, they weren’t the only “matchmakers” to do so. As the famed stage play-turned Oscar-winning film “Fiddler on the Roof” makes abundantly clear, Women on the more pedestrian levels of life have had a long and storied role of matchmaking, often carrying a tremendous level of influence in their communities – influence that could be parlayed and deployed in any number of ways; I refer to these machinations on the part of Women as “Court Politics”. […]
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