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If a Conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn’t buy one. If a Liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. If a Conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat. If a Liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone. If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a Liberal is homosexual, he demands recognition and legislated respect. If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A Liberal wonders who is going to take care of all his needs. If a Conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be silenced and shut down. If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A Liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced and banned. If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A Liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his. If a Republican reads this, he'll send it to his friends so they can have a good laugh. A Democrat will give it a thumbs down because he's "offended" and wants it censured. Liberals - The most Intolerant People on the Planet want Us to Be Tolerant! Hypocrisy in plain sight! Liberals say: Agree with me or die....

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[–]worldmotor 53ポイント54ポイント  (6子コメント)

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

[–]Relevations 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rather succinctly put, "Government is that great fiction in which everybody endeavours to live at the expense of everybody else." - Bastiat

[–]SKWM3000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

love that book.

[–]ItsMeTK 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

I disagree that on the "conservatives change the channel" thing. There are a fair number of folks who identify as conservatives who protest certain content.

[–]CherryCokeNixonBuckleyite Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Usually they protest it from being on the public airwaves. I don't recall many protest against private media outlets like premium cable or satellite radio.

[–]mingve [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When christian conservatives protested South Park they actually wanted it to air in a latter time slot which is what the creators of the show wanted.

[–]juslen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is Donald Trump content?

[–]BlueChipFA [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

If a conservative doesn't want gay marriage.....

I get your concept here man but neither side is free of the very behavior you're attributing to liberals only.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Your point is missed, mainly because we don't care if you get married, just dont make us pay for it, I am against the feds being involved in any sort of marriage.

[–]yrrp [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

When has the government paid for any marriage? Heterosexual or homosexual.

I've never been married, but I've never heard of the government paying for marriages.

[–]hillbull [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I checked last year, and my wife and I owed $6,000 less on taxes if we filed married/filing-jointly as opposed to married/filing-separate status. Government subsidizes marriages the same as they subsidize kids (deductions for dependents).

Personally, I can understand getting a tax deduction for a kid 0-5 years old, but when that little booger starts school, why do I get a break on my taxes? I personally feel guilty that I owe less taxes when, by having kids, I'm technically more of a financial burden on the system.

Be that as it may, I'm not about to stop taking that tax break so long as they let me take it. For all the people out there that don't have kids, thanks for putting mine through public schools.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally, I can understand getting a tax deduction for a kid 0-5 years old, but when that little booger starts school, why do I get a break on my taxes? I personally feel guilty that I owe less taxes when, by having kids, I'm technically more of a financial burden on the system.

Because we need to incentivize people to have kids to continue to help growing the economy. You can't grow an economy with a shrinking populace.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

All of those marriage licenses, and all those registers.

Why would on try to make Homosexual Marriage legal?

[–]StarkPR [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's not "Homosexual Marriage," it's Marriage Equality. We don't need Conservatives working on big government bans of same sex marriage.

Edit: also, marriage licenses and fee are paid by the couple, not the government.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who prints the paper, who pays the clerk? Us, and if you want "Marriage Equality" then find a religion that offers it. We want the government out of our personal lives, not in it.

[–]JajaOfOpobo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"We don't care if you get married" … Yet you block marriage equality and fight it all the way to the supreme Court. You don't care indeed 👌

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Missing the point, as y'all usually do

[–]deeman18 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/forwardsfromgrandma

[–]cjohndesign [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If a conservative doesn't like abortion...

[–]SKWM3000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Power, on the other hand, settles everything. It took time, but we finally realized that. For instance, you must have noticed that our old Europe at last philosophizes in the right way. We no longer say as in simple times: 'This is the way I think. What are your objections?' We have become lucid. For the dialogue we have substituted the communique: 'This is the truth,' we say. 'You can discuss it as much as you want; we aren't interested. But in a few years there'll be the police who will show you we are right.'" -- Camus, The Fall

[–]BobMichaels__ 21ポイント22ポイント  (26子コメント)

If a conservative doesn't want to marry someone of the same sex they...

If a conservative doesn't want an abortion they...

If a conservative doesn't want to smoke marijuana they...

[–]repmackRand Paul Conservative 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think in the case of abortion you would say that they aren't okay with killing an innocent human. But I agree that these are valid criticisms.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a conservative doesn't want murder to happen they...

If a conservatives doesn't want property stolen they...

[–]jakehawney 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Conservatives believe that the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all.

Conservatives that are Pro-Life believe that it's the murder of a human being, not the removal of pre-human tissue.

Nice try troll...

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Conservatives believe that the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all.

Libertarian Conservatives think that.

Social Conservatives most definitely do not think that.

[–]BobMichaels__ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Conservatives believe that the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all.

Some may but there are plenty, such as Ted Cruz, who want a Constitutional amendment defining it too.

Conservatives that are Pro-Life believe that it's the murder of a human being, not the removal of pre-human tissue.

I agree however the OP post was about how personal beliefs are then turned into legislation so that everyone must live by those beliefs.

[–]hawkinscm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cruz would rather it be handled by the states, which is what the constitution actually provides for. Yes, I understand it's been interpreted differently, but I'm obviously talking about what it says, not what it's been distorted to say.

Also, let's remember that, even if marriage is defined between a man and a woman, that doesn't prohibit same sex couples from having the same rights that come with marriage, via a civil union or something of that sort.

To be clear, I'm just making sure that Cruz is understood. We all know what he would do if there was no restraint on his power - it would align with his personal beliefs. But that doesn't mean he's anti-gay or that he would violate the constitution (as amended by court decision).

Also, to be clear, I am fine with gay marriage, I just wish it wasn't done the way it was. I don't like it when SCOTUS legislates.

[–]Likewhatevermaaan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And yet I see more people protesting gay marriage than I see protesting for marriage privatization.

[–]I_dont_study 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

....doesn't marry them.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

That argument is interesting, but your argument breaks down when you attempt to condone murder.

If a Liberal wants Same-Sex marriage, we all pay for it.

Marijuana is a bit more of an eh.

[–]Flava-in-ya-beer [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Hi, can you explain how everyone pays for same-sex marriage??

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Taxes

[–]Likewhatevermaaan [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Then you pay for all marriages. Why single out homosexuals?

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I dont want to pay for all marriages either

[–]Likewhatevermaaan [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

But you specifically singled out same-sex marriage in your post.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And so did you

[–]Likewhatevermaaan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"No, you are!" You're reverting to middle school grade comebacks.

If you're pro-marriage privatization, there's no need to mention same-sex marriage. So go forth and protest accurately.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was relevant at the time, we pay for all marriage. Please, if you are going to use that fallacy, use it on yourself, as it perfectly defines how old you are.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If a Liberal wants Same-Sex marriage, we all pay for it.

If that is your argument, then get the government out of marriage completely. Otherwise it just appears that some conservatives want to keep their subsidies and deny it to others.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Exactly, but as you can see, nobody is talking about it, so, I might as well go step by step.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why not just do it all at once? Step by step causes equal protection violations that get the courts involved.

[–]Flyingfordivorce [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This post has some serious flaws. Liberals might be somewhat to blame for some of the points but I immediately thought of some issues were conservatives does the exact same thing. Right now our presidential candidate gained ground because conservatives who were down-and-out didn't think of ways to better his life, he blamed mexicans. He gained votes because when a conservative doesn't like a muslim, he doesn't just stop talking to muslims, he votes to ban them all from entering the country (and bring on the points about it being temporarily, it's still a crazy statement). And when a conservative (I'm directing this at the viewers of Fox News) see that people celebrate other holidays, he doesn't just go home and celebrate christmas on his own, he calls it a "War on Christmas". And about homosexuality I just have to ask; are you fucking kidding me? Many have shed the opposition to gay-marriage which is very nice, but it has been a thing conservatives (and liberals alike) have fought for years and have meddled in. I didn't see a lot of "quitly led lives" there I saw protests and interferring with free individuals sexuality.

These kind of posts hurt our democracy. This post was to show that the same talking points could very easily be made about conservatives but it doesn't make it true. Just like your post is not true about many liberals. And just like my points it is a horrible generalisation that only contributes to the deep divide this country is in.

[–]sockmess [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Right now our presidential candidate gained ground because conservatives who were down-and-out didn't think of ways to better his life, he blamed mexicans.

Illegal workers allow employers to hire people who will do the work for less money. Unless you want to destroy minimal wage where you have pay an American that minimal.

He gained votes because when a conservative doesn't like a muslim, he doesn't just stop talking to muslims, he votes to ban them all from entering the country (and bring on the points about it being temporarily, it's still a crazy statement).

Again, are we at "war" with radical Islam? I know when we was at war with the Axis, the German, Italian, and Japanese people wasn't allowed to immigratie to the United States. And being that he walked out back to hostile countries that destroys this point.

[–]Flyingfordivorce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My point was that not every conservative votes for Trump and thus not every conservative holds the same values as Trump. If we keep generalising liberals and conservatives in a set of die-hard values and refuses to debate current issues at hand because "duh, he is a liberal, we can't discuss with idiots" this country will stall. It's just a harmful form of retoric with zero constructive outcome.

To answer your points though: About mexican immigrant workers; yes they take American jobs, but there are different angles to approach the problem. One are the employers, why do American employers agree to worsen the conditions of regular Americans. Mexicans are not just taking jobs, they are being given these jobs, so Americans is a part of the problem too. I think it will be extremely difficult (both legally and practically) to just deport them because they will go into hiding instead and probably become a huge even blacker market than it is right now with very few things we can do to prevent it. I imagine it being the war on drugs vol. 2, a war that never ends.

About Islam: Of course we are at war with terrorists, but that's not every muslim. Remember the prime target of muslim terrorists are other muslims in their own countries. It's absolutely insane. I believe with the amount of surveilance technology available we can track down the organized terrorists. We can't, in many cases, track down the lone wolves but to be fair, we can't do that with our own school-shooters, mass-murderes, president-killers, serial-killers either.

In WW2 we were at war with nations, not religions. We are not at war with Indonesia or the Phillipines should their muslims not be allowed in? Plus a lot of people fleeing from Germany was indeed allowed in

[–]4242349948CMFAGG 14ポイント15ポイント  (22子コメント)

If a Liberal is opposed to abortion, she doesn't have one. If a Conservative is opposed to abortion, he tries to ban them for everyone except his wife.

If a Liberal is homosexual, he supports equality for other homosexuals. If a Conservative is homosexual, he leads a gay life in secret while hypocritically condemning that lifestyle in public.

If a Liberal is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. If a Conservative is down-and-out, he blames his situation on Democrats.

If a Liberal doesn't like a television show, he switches channels. If a Conservative doesn't like a television show, he launches a boycott to get the program cancelled so that no one else can watch it.

If a Liberal religious, he quietly prays in private, as Jesus said one should. If a Conservative is religious, he demands that everyone be forced to pray along with him.

If a Liberal needs health care, he seeks to ensure that health care is accessible to everyone else as well. A Conservative buys stock in an HMO and campaigns against affordable health care.

If a Liberal reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh. A Conservative will downvote and report for a ban.

[edit] I was banned for this post.

Note from the moderators:

derp

[–]qorewwe [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If a Conservative is opposed to abortion, he tries to ban them for everyone except his wife

Wut?

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

If a Liberal is opposed to abortion, she doesn't have one. If a Conservative is opposed to abortion, he tries to ban them for everyone except his wife.

Actually, no, abortion is still murder, bruh.

If a Liberal is homosexual, he supports equality for other homosexuals. If a Conservative is homosexual, he leads a gay life in secret while hypocritically condemning that lifestyle in public.

We dont do that, we just dont want to pay for your marriage.

If a Liberal is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. If a Conservative is down-and-out, he blames his situation on Democrats.

and rightfully so! Geuss who the Liberals blame? Us, why thank you!

If a Liberal doesn't like a television show, he switches channels. If a Conservative doesn't like a television show, he launches a boycott to get the program cancelled so that no one else can watch it.

No Proof, compared to Liberals, who hate anything with "Gamer" on it.

If a Liberal religious, he quietly prays in private, as Jesus said one should. If a Conservative is religious, he demands that everyone be forced to pray along with him.

Sorry, that doesn't happen, like ever, very high and mighty coming from the "Tear Down That Cross" Team.

If a Liberal needs health care, he seeks to ensure that health care is accessible to everyone else as well. A Conservative buys stock in an HMO and campaigns against affordable health care.

yes, because we dont need the government to give it to us, because we are responsible

If a Liberal reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh. A Conservative will downvote and report for a ban.

Objectively false, we refute these arguments entirely, and then downvote you for being so stupid.

[–]yrrp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sorry, that doesn't happen, like ever,

Efforts to have prayer in public school are typically led by conservatives.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And efforts to tear down crosses are usually led by Liberals

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

We dont do that, we just dont want to pay for your marriage.

They why are all of the actions taken to only stop gay people from getting married rather than getting the government out of marriage all together.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Right now, there is no debate on that, so, the simplest answer is to be consistent.

If you want to debate the involvement of the feds in marriage.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

What are you arguing for? Since the Consistent thing would be to let gays marry.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

No it would not, that would go against my statement that the feds should get out of marriage

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

So then what were you saying with the whole

There is no debate on that

Line?

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

People aren't here to debate that, again, I am trying to point out to you, Homosexual marriage is just an example. I do not want the Feds involved in marriage.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Plenty of people are here to debate that. The point the person you were originally responding to was making, is that there is pretty much not a single conservative politician pushing to get the feds completely out of marriage. In fact you have many of them wanting to expand state subsidization of marriage. But what you do have are plenty of conservative politicians looking to ban gay people from getting married.

[–]hawkinscm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It appears you don't quite understand how individual rights work and the various challenges that have come to them. For instance, free exercise of religion and prohibition against a state religion. Liberals attack religious stuff all the time under the pretense that a reference to God in the pledge of allegiance, or a football team praying before a game, or a nativity scene in a local park - somehow constitutes the government establishing a religion. All this, when, people are free to not say the pledge of allegiance or that part, free to not pray and free to put symbols of other religions in the local park during the relevant holiday (or avert their eyes).

Sorry, but the text of the constitution, and the original meaning, as it relates to the establishment clause, is really quite simple.

[–]Bluedude588 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Conservatives are some of the biggest hypocrites.

[–]JumpyPorcupineReagan 84' 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Liberals are like children, their policies are emotionally based and they throw a fit until they get their way.

[–]juslen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Coservatives didn't get their way with nominating Cruz. Judging by the actions of certain conservatives they seem pretty liberal.

[–]2ndAmendmentWTF -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Conservatives have much higher standards of course, only choosing the most rational, level headed leadership to symbolize their maturity. Take Trump for example.

[–]blizzardice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump isn't a conservative. That is something everyone here knows.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

None of us have a problem with them acting like children, the issue is their need to impose their idiocy on the society as a whole. A good idea becomes reality and yields the desired results. A bad idea may make you feel good but solves nothing. The most defining thing about liberals is that they need to have their bad ideas imposed because if they were good ideas the majority would flock to them without coercion.

[–]2ndAmendmentWTF 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

If a conservative wants to make a point, they write a long-winded polarized statement, in order to breed hate.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What Hate?

[–]blizzardice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Triggered

[–]libbylibertarian [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Disagreement breeds hate. Got it.

[–]2ndAmendmentWTF [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Disagreement -and ignorance combined into broad generalized statements- breed hate.

[–]libbylibertarian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Disagreement -and ignorance combined into broad generalized statements- breed hate.

I agree liberals are very ignorant on a lot of topics, but I fail to see how that turns disagreement into hate. I know from Pew Research liberals are the least tolerant group when it comes to ideas outside their own, so it's no small wonder a liberal would show up and get triggered when a conservative makes an argument.

[–]dirtypawscub 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

what a pathetic fiction this is.

[–]clowncar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

When the Black Panthers in California began carrying guns in the 1960s, Ronald Reagan signed gun control legislation.

OP is like a meat-eater who thinks he's an expert on vegetarians. Must be a very comfortable position to be in where you believe everyone on your "team" is so honorable.

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Back in '67

Before he was Conservative

[–]juslen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If a conservative doesn't like a candidate, they vote for their preferred candidate or they don't vote at all. If a liberal doesn't like a candidate they attack them relentlessly and tell everyone just how offended they are by them.