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[–]seriouslees 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 10日前 (75子コメント)

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[–]Nokturn_Star Wars Fan -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 9日前 (0子コメント)

That's the thing, though - shouldn't the opportunity to simply attend a convention/event like SDCC be exclusive in and of itself? Sure, panels and stuff are livestreamed sometimes, but I'd equate it to a live sporting event. People watching at home are not getting the same experience as those in the stadium, y'know? Few people, if anyone, are spending hundreds of dollars to attend just for a chance of spending even more money to get exclusive merchandise. They're going for the entire experience, and I'm sure they couldn't care less if someone else who didn't go gets some of the same merchandise. If they do care, then they're being petty and kind of a dick. "Look what I've got, I'm better than all of you because it's rare." That kind of attitude tears apart communities just like this one. It's toxic.

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[–]Please_Pass_The_Milk 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 9日前 (23子コメント)

exclusives like this reduce the amount of respect the majority of your fans have for your product

This is a ridiculous assertion, full stop. Most people won't care, and more than half of these exclusives tend to end up on the open market anyway, either because they were never collected and are sold at later shows by the sponsor companies or because they were collected by people who don't have any interest in the parent properties.

Let's call this what it is: You're whining because you want something but there's a barrier you're not willing to cross to get it. Out of the hundreds of millions of Lego fans, you're in a small and disproportionately vocal minority who care about exclusives being, well, exclusive. I realize, as do the majority of other people, what is the SDCC 2016 Atom fig weren't an SDCC Exclusive, it probably never would have been produced at all. This is the only way an official The Atom fig would ever be made short of DC making a The Atom film. Ever.

So in short, you getting your way doesn't create wide-release versions of these exclusives, it just stops them from existing at all. Your position is literally "If I can't have them, no one can" and that's more than a little childish. Please stop.

[–]seriouslees 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9日前 (1子コメント)

Fair enough, there's some hyperbolizing going on. Especially in terms of amount of people affected. Guilty.

That said, this is not a normal barrier to access as with normal exclusives. I'm all for Lego's normal method of exclusives, with limited runs, special time based offers, etc etc. They are offered as is to everyone equally. The limiting factors are time and cost.

This is a significantly more serious barrier than time or money. Not only is the barrier in those areas also significantly greater, to a ridiculous degree even, but then there's travel visas and passports to consider, not to mention potentially needing to literally traverse half the globe.

To be perfectly honest, I have absolutely no desire for this specific figure. I love the DC comics, but I'm not a huge fan of the Arrowverse yet, as I haven't really got around to watching it. But every single time I see these exclusives that the only way the vast majority of people who do want them can gain access to them is via massively inflated prices on the resale market from people with no desire in them at all except for the amount of profit they can return, all I can think is "something is very wrong with this system." And my respect for everyone involved drops a tiny little bit. If this were a figure I was desperate to get, you can bet I'd be irked, but this whole conversation was sparked over a figure I don't even really want. So yes, this does affect more than just the minority of fans who actually want this figure. This affects everyone concerned about the method of delivery and severity of barrier to access being used.

[–]Please_Pass_The_Milk 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9日前 (0子コメント)

This is a significantly more serious barrier than time or money. Not only is the barrier in those areas also significantly greater, to a ridiculous degree even, but then there's travel visas and passports to consider, not to mention potentially needing to literally traverse half the globe.

Nobody has to travel at all, these are all upwardly available on the internet. Hydra Cap can be had for around $250 online. He's cheaper than the rarest Vader and he's incredibly desirable.

all I can think is "something is very wrong with this system." And my respect for everyone involved drops a tiny little bit.

That's fine, but you're nearly alone. This is the only way these figs will get produced. You refuse to acknowledge that without the SDCC exclusives, these figs just wouldn't have existed ever at all.

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What if one is not able to cross that barrier, financially or otherwise?

There's no such thing. There's medication for your anxiety, believe me, I know, I've been on it and it works. There's also therapy, which is why I don't have to take it anymore.

Financial barriers, especially, are nonsense. Badges are cheap as hell, the most expensive are like $55 a day, and transport to California is cheap as hell, I went to a convention in February in California and for familial reasons had to fly from the East coast last minute, and I spent $300 round-trip. Split a hotel room or sleep on a couch and you can stay the weekend for under $200. Sleep in a car and it's more like $50 for parking. So that's $555-$405 to get your Lego minifigure. Is it worth it just for that? Hell no. But could you do it? Absolutely. Even at the federal Minimum Wage ($7.25) that's less than 80 hours of work for an event that happens once a year. That's less than 2 extra hours a week. But you have to forego other things to fit it in your budget, that's how finances work, and those things might be important to you, but again, you can afford it. You choose not to. It's not a barrier, it's a limitation you choose to cede to.

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[–]Please_Pass_The_Milk 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9日前 (3子コメント)

I see I've hit a nerve. That's okay, you're wrong too.

Using the minimum wage let's look at Person A. We will assume that they do not qualify for any type of government assistance. Then we will assume that they work a 40 hour work week.

Your example is already eating itself and we're only three sentences in. The only places in the entire country where 40 hours a week doesn't qualify for assistance are the lowest cost of living areas of the country.

That's $290 a week, before taxes. In a month, that is $1160. Now subtract from that, 20% tax. $928.

And again, eating itself. The lowest federal tax bracket for single filers extends up to $37,450 and is ten percent.

Now take out health insurance. We will assume $100/month (there might be $50 or so in wiggle room here depending on your plan. $828.

And again, eating itself. Even without employee assistance (which every state has for full-time employees of non-exempt businesses) this theoretical person qualifies for either Expanded Medicaid or ACA reduced premiums and is therefore never going to spend $100/mo on healthcare.

Let's assume you are committed to a lease and have a studio/1 bedroom apartment that rents for $575/month (lucky!).

Lucky where? I've lived in studio apartments for cheaper in seven of the nine states I've lived in, including California. The cheapest my rent has been (unassisted) is $225. Admittedly the apartment was small, but it was by no means unsafe or in a bad area, just away from urban centers which is where you'd find a full-time job at minimum wage anyway, a place with little to no employer competition.

Now you have to eat. Subtract $200.

LOLOLOL $50 a week? You can't do better than that? I eat on $75 a week and I'm making much much better than minimum wage. Choose to live on lentils and multivitamins and it's more like $20 a month.

Dude, do you even know what it's like to be poor? Do you have any idea? I've been at the bottom, man, and it's not even close to as bad as you're pretending. Not even working full time jobs, I was able to save money and actually move. If you want to go to SDCC, yeah, it might be a bad decision, but you can go.

It's a massive peeve of mine that people on this site infantilize the poor. You're wrong, and it's pathetic.

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[–]Please_Pass_The_Milk -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 9日前* (9子コメント)

Not everyone is in the same financial situation as you.

A fact I'm more aware of than you are.

$500 is a lot of fucking money.

It really isn't.

Stop acting like this is a simple situation

Why? It is.

because I sure as hell don't make enough extra money to be able to afford that kind of stuff.

You either do or you could, and the problem is your budgeting. I'm 100% certain of this. Eat lentils every day for a couple months or go get a better job, you'll be at SDCC next year.

Oh, you won't eat lentils for a couple months? You won't get a better job? Then stop pretending this is a financial problem and start admitting it's a personal one.

I have to rely on the generosity of others to fund any extra expenses, including this entire hobby that I love dearly.

For extra funds while I was in college I did private tax preparation. I've seen people who were dramatically worse off than I was living dramatically better lives due to the effort they've put in, and I've seen dramatically better off people than I living dramatically worse lives due to the amount of effort they wouldn't put in. The guy who drove me to DragonCon one year in exchange for tax preparation made less than ten thousand dollars a year working in a gas station at night, and he went to DragonCon, which at the time was a much more expensive event than SDCC is now.

You can live in a hovel. You can eat cheap food. You can cook every meal yourself. You can bike and bus everywhere you go. Any of these you don't do is a personal choice that puts financial strain on your budget, not some sort of hard-and-fast financial barrier.

Where I reside, we do not get paid a living wage.

This may blow your mind, but you can move or get a better job. Jobs don't historically come back to communities for a minimum of a decade, no matter the reason they left. The period of employment fluctuation from peak to peak or dip to dip is ten years at a minimum for a region. It's not worth desperately clinging to an area that's dying or dead in hopes anything will change.

Or if the problem is education (as in you didn't get your HSD) then there are free GED programs in many places, and really really cheap ones in most others. Is there not one in your area? Move. Lack of a social safety net on such a basic level is not an indicator of, no, it's objective proof of a self-consuming low-income hellhole.

And if the problem is that you didn't get an education as in you didn't get a Bachelor's then stop making things up. I know security contractors (literally just guys who walk around malls at night) making $40k+ on an HSD. You can get a better job. It may not have hours you like or be in a field you want, but it's a better job and your "financial problems" will disappear.

Will you not move? Will you not get a better job? Will you not further your education? Then stop painting your personal problems as financial ones. It's insulting to people who have real financial problems, like multiple thousands of dollars of medications they need to stay alive every month.

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