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[–]clever_octopus -8ポイント-7ポイント  (15子コメント)

"For women" tools are just designed for a better grip with smaller hands. The pink kind of annoys me, but they really are made because enough women complained that tools are ergonomically designed for men.

[–]seanmharcailinMust be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

I have yet to find a "for woman" tool that has a smaller grip and keeps top quality. I want a good tool that my tiny little lady hands can hold on to.

[–]clever_octopus 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree, they're not usually the same quality. I would not personally buy "women's" tools for this reason. I know people who do have them, but unfortunately they're a notch below "normal" tools.

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for a simple factual comment but okay.

[–]seanmharcailinMust be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

re: downvotes, i don't think that your first sentence is a fact because most women's tools aren't "just designed for a better grip". They MIGHT be smaller, but for the most part they're just pink and cheaply made. And then your second sentence is a little negative saying "women complained" rather than "there is a vacuum in the market for women because most tools are designed with men's larger hands in mind".

It made me want to downvote you, but i don't use downvotes as my "disagree" button, only as a "this is ridiculous and people shouldnt read it" button.

[–]clever_octopus -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

But a complaint is not just omnidirectional whinging, it's a legitimate form of communication; it says "this doesn't meet my needs", and businesses take it seriously, which is why they ask for complaints/questions/comments.

I'm going to digress because apparently I don't know how to communicate on this sub.

[–]seanmharcailinMust be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup, it can be a minefield! Sorry about that. Not sure if you feel the same way, but I often hear a lot of "stop complaining" responses (generally from older men) to my generally legit and logical issues. Its a way to disregard what we are saying, so the word can carry a very dismissive sentiment. It could also be a cultural thing. If you're british, you're quite used to "lodging a complaint" and its a very neutral term. In the US, the "complaints department" is a very negative thing and generally disparages the person making a complaint.

[–]clever_octopus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I do think it may be cultural (I'm in the UK). "Complaint" is a pretty unemotional term here and I don't think I've often heard it used to shame someone for being disagreeable. Sorry if my use of language is off-putting, I'm not always aware of it...

[–]Sabuleon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For sure, but the first sentence is what catches the eye first and I have trouble seeing it as anything but an unverified generalization, but that's just my own opinion; comes from this literally being the first time I've heard anything about tools having a specific, well-researched design for women (and why would it be only for women?) rather than it just being a cheap, poorly-executed marketing ploy.

[–]r-u-aware-ur-a-cat 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I get where you're coming from, but isn't it a little narrow-minded to assume all women have small hands and all men have large hands? There are men with small hands and women with large hands. I'm a petite woman who has never had an issue gripping a drill and wouldn't care for a smaller grip. If they want to make a narrower grip, I think that's fine, but don't market it to just women. Market it to people who want a narrower grip.

[–]TheRamenWizardPM me soup 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

*palms a basketball*

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Just call it "narrow grip drill"

And make a real quality large size pink drill because I am all about that pink life but not the Pink Tax.

[–]clever_octopus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But I don't assume that all women have small hands and all men have large hands...? Or are you saying that product manufacturers do this? I don't disagree, I think the pink/"just4women" shit is kind of degrading. I'm just saying that the demand for women's tools actually came specifically from women with smaller hands. It was meant to provide value to a specific demographic. I have large hands for a woman so I haven't used them, but I actually know a fair number of women who have actually bought these and it was because they didn't feel like they had a comfortable grip on regular tools.

[–]r-u-aware-ur-a-cat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think a lot of the "for women" tools actually have smaller grips. They're just pink. They're not trying to provide value to a specific demographic. They're marketing to a stereotype that women want to buy pink things, which may be true, I don't know, I don't work in marketing. I'm just saying, it's insulting and degrading to suggest that just because I'm a woman, I need some shitty pink version of a drill when I am just fine using a regular drill.

If they really want to serve a demographic with smaller hands, great! But don't make it gendered. That is all I'm saying. It shouldn't have to be specifically for women, regardless of where the initial demand came from (also, I'd love to see a source on that, because I did some searching and couldn't find anything suggesting that women were demanding smaller pink power tools). Most men would be unlikely to ask for a narrower grip or something that could be perceived as "unmanly", and by marketing this type of stuff "for women" it essentially prevents men from feeling secure in buying them. Not to mention they are usually garbage.

[–]neon_kitten 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ummm my hands aren't that big and I have never found it difficult to hold a regular tool.

If that is a genuine problem then tool companies could design tools with removable grips (when it would work with the type of tool) do people could switch out different sizes.

[–]Sabuleon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you a tool designer or you're saying this from personal experience?

Just wondering why you'd say that--I've never had issues gripping regular tools with my smallish hands and I find what really matters is grip strength (+ arm strength of course). I admit I do wear gloves for additional grip when I get sweaty hands though.

[–]clever_octopus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a tool designer, but when I was in university (technical institute) 10 years ago, there was a campaign on campus by some of our women in the art/design college to bring smaller/lighter power tools to the market, and apparently they made a significant impact. You're right, it's more about grip strength than hand size by itself.

Again, I really do think the pink nonsense is kind of insulting and unnecessary.