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Cathy YoungCathy Young
Jul 21, 2016

The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter

In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused Twitter of political bias, and now his supporters are accusing Twitter management of censoring and suppressing conservative views. A #freemilo hashtag has been trending. On the other hand, some staunchly pro-free-speech commentators such as Reason's Robby Soave are not quite in Milo's corner.

There are two different questions here. One, does Milo deserve sympathy and support? And two, is Twitter's enforcement of anti-harassment rules politically biased, rife with favoritism, and generally inconsistent?

First things first. As many people know, Milo and I were once allies in our support of #gamergate and, more broadly, of the "cultural libertarian" movement. We were on the same GamerGate panel at the August 2015 conference of the Society of Professional Journalists. We had friendly exchanges on Twitter. I appeared on Milo's web show, including on a fundraiser for the defense of Gregory Allan Eliot, the Canadian man prosecuted on frivolous charges of Twitter harassment. I also wrote in Milo's defense last January when Twitter took away his verification.

As quite a few people also know, I have long had misgivings about many of Milo's antics. (I was fairly overt about it in my piece about his de-verification.) I didn't like the way his online conflicts tended to escalate into nasty personal attacks. While I thought, and still think, that many of Milo's affronts to "political correctness" were funny and well-deserved, such as invading Slutwalk with a "Harry Potter and rape culture - both fantasy" placard, I also increasingly felt that his stance as an anti-"Social Justice Warrior" provocateur was a way to get away with saying genuinely nasty stuff about women, minorities, and other groups in a "just-kidding-or-maybe-not" way. I still think, for instance, that this is hilarious:

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This, on the other hand, is unfunny and nasty, and while I certainly don't think such an opinion deserves Twitter sanctions, it also doesn't exactly give cultural libertarianism a good name.

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In the fall of 2015, Milo began defending the far-right backlash against "cuckservatives" -- a label for mainstream conservatives who were accused of being insufficiently patriotic and, often overtly, of being insufficiently pro-white. (The label, derived from the word "cuckold," apparently refers to "cuck porn" in which men watch their wives having sex with black studs.) For a while, I thought he was just being an enfant terrible. Then, in late March of this year, Milo and his sidekick Allum Bokhari wrote a lengthy Breitbart article in defense of the "alternative right," the loosely structured movement that has diverse elements but is dominated by various shades of white identity politics, racialism, and outright white supremacism (complete with virulent anti-Semitism). I responded with a critique on The Federalist and then here at Allthink.com. Milo later attacked me on Breitbart for a piece on Ann Coulter's anti-Semitic signaling.

As far as I'm concerned, Milo's recent career is a striking example of the pitfalls of being anti-PC for the sake of being anti-PC. He now hangs out with and defends people who taunt Jews with Holocaust jokes and deride blacks as chimps and gorillas. In May, his new pals bombarded his former Breitbart colleague Ben Shapiro with vile tweets after the birth of his son, calling the child a "newborn cockroach" and wishing gas chambers on Shapiro's entire family. Here's Milo's contribution, a charming riff on the idea that conservatives who oppose racism are "cucked" by blacks:

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More recently, Milo used the "Jew parentheses"--the symbol Internet neo-Nazis and other anti-Semites use to target Jews--as a taunt against liberal (Jewish) financier George Soros on Twitter and made a comment about anti-Trump conservatives collecting "shekels from their globalist paymasters" in a chat on the Trump Reddit board. Tongue-in-cheek? Sure, except that Milo is pandering to and stoking some very real ugliness which he waves off as fun and games by rebellious kids.

Milo is a very smart, talented, charismatic man. I still believe he was on the right side when he joined the fight against the crypto-totalitarian "social justice" cult. But I've always thought that, unfortunately, any backlash against "progressive" cultural politics was likely to be a magnet for actual racism, misogyny, and other bigotries. Today, Milo is actively boosting these malignant forces. As his "Daddy" Donald Trump would say: Sad!

Apologies for the long introduction, but I believe it's related to where we are today.

It's possible to be an awful person with reprehensible views and still get unfairly banned from Twitter. For instance, as far as I can tell, Robert Stacy McCain, a stridently anti-gay apologist for the Confederacy, was permanently banished from the platform even though he did nothing that would remotely quality as cyber-harassment. (I wrote about it earlier this year.) Sure, Twitter has a legal right to ban politically incorrect speech, but then it should stop pretending to be a forum for diverse opinions.

Milo's case is far more complicated.

I don't think there's any evidence that he incited the harassment of Leslie Jones. But he was a very high-profile Twitter user who stepped in to taunt and mock her when she was being deluged with racist tweets calling her a gorilla and an ape, porn images, and so on. (One pro-Milo meme actually suggests that he was "helping Jones with Twitter trolls" when he pointed out that everyone gets hate mail. Sure, and the people who sent her photos of apes were just promoting the teaching of evolution.) That, in my view, is reprehensible. But I don't see how it violates Twitter rules.

However, it's very likely that Milo did cross the line when he tweeted screenshots of two fake tweets by her, one attacking white people and the other referring to "tha goddamn kikes at Sony." This was both impersonation, a severe violation of Twitter rules, and a pretty clear move to pour more fuel on the fire. By the time it was archived, this tweet had been retweeted nearly 600 times.

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Milo's response to someone who pointed out the tweets were fake leaves no doubt that he either knew they were fake or made them himself:

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Breitbart has attempted to excuse this by claiming there was no attempt to pass the screenshots off as real tweets from Jones, since their fakeness was "made clear with the lack of a verification check mark." Yet some people who responded to Milo thought the tweets were real. So did someone who tweeted at me after Milo's ban.

Breitbart also suggests that Jones incited her own harassment by "punching down" at her detractors -- and that she tried to instigate the harassment of other users by retweeting abusive tweets with comments like "I hope y'all go after them like they going after me" and "Get her!" I will say that, in my view, Jones made a mistake engaging trolls directly. But I also see no evidence that she was trying to provoke a fight, and I confess I can't bring myself to get indignant at her suggestion that her followers "go after" the morons sending her gorilla pictures. There is hardly anyone among us who has not, at some point, retweeted hostile tweets to hold their authors up for ridicule. I've done it. Milo has done it. We don't explicitly say "go get them." But we're Internet-savvy, and Jones, clearly, is not.

While I take a very dim view of the entire Ghostbusters brouhaha, I feel bad for Jones, who seemed genuinely distraught by the abuse she received and especially by other fake tweets that had her making homophobic comments about Milo. (And no, I don't think her not very funny sassy-black-lady humor on Twitter amounts to a "racist Twitter history" as Breitbart suggests. There certainly doesn't seem to be a single example of her attacking any specific person for being white.)

On the other hand, as even Verge has pointed out, Twitter has never stated any specific charges against Milo. The vague accusations of non-specific "incitement" are troubling because it seems like Milo is being blamed for his followers' actions.

Is anyone with a lot of followers on Twitter vulnerable to charges of inciting harassment if he or she ridicules or criticizes another Twitter user? The potential for abuse is certainly there, especially given how subjectively "harassment" can be defined. (Yes, what happened to Jones was clearly harassment, but I have also seen the term used to describe aggressive arguments and criticism.)

That said: Milo's fans do have a reputation for going after people. It's something I've dealt with myself. Several people have told me they don't want to publicly challenge or criticize Milo because they know they'll get mobbed by his minions. These were not "SJWs" or feminists; mostly, they were GamerGaters or ex-GamerGaters (mostly male, for what it's worth). Is Milo responsible for his fans' behavior? No, but I don't see him discouraging it.

As you can see, I'm ambivalent about Milo's perma-ban. But here's something I'm not ambivalent about at all.

Even if Milo fully deserved to get banned, there is little doubt that Twitter's management has double standards favoring "marginalized people" and the Social Justice left.

For instance: while I hold Breitbart in pretty low regard, this account of a black Breitbart reporter being repeatedly attacked as a "coon" on Twitter at the instigation of rapper Talib Kweli (who has over a million Twitter followers, more than three times Milo's follower count at the time of his ban) certainly seems to meet Twitter's criteria for "targeted abuse." Will Twitter take action? I'm not holding my breath. Likewise, Breitbart seems to have a pretty good case with regard to Twitter ignoring calls for deadly violence against cops from Black Twitter, even though Twitter rules clearly prohibit promoting violence.

Or take another example. A number of people have said that Twitter's intervention to help Leslie Jones makes good practical sense, since many Twitter users are interested in interacting with celebrities and having celebrities driven off Twitter by hate is bad for business. Fine. But where was the concern when filmmaker Joss Whedon quit Twitter after a deluge of hate over alleged misogyny in Avengers: Age of Ultron, or when British comedian Stephen Fry deleted his account after being bashed for jokes some saw as offensive to women and transgender people? (Trans activists on Twitter are notorious for ripping people to shreds for the pettiest transgressions; a few months before his departure from Twitter, Whedon was savaged for a "transphobic" joke which suggested that requirements for a female character include not having male genitalia.)

Nor one did anyone lament the "silencing" when technology entrepreneur Vivek Wadhwa announced his decision to step away from advocacy for women in tech because of social media attacks from feminists who accused him of using women for self-promotion. In fact, one of the people who led the charge against Wadhwa, programmer and women-in-tech advocate Randi Harper, is an "anti-harassment advocate" who has the ear of Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey. Harper, who has a habit of telling people to "set themselves on fire" if they cross her, has been accused of being a social media bully herself; two mainstream liberal journalists have told me that they agree with this characterization but would not go on the record to criticize Harper.

Harper's cozy relationship with Twitter management points to another problem. Twitter's (and, generally, the social media's) anti-harassment initiatives have a close relationship with "social justice" activists who act as partners and consultants on these efforts. The problem is not just that this compromises the appearance of neutrality. It's that, as I pointed out in the New York Observer earlier this year, these activists are anti-neutrality in principle: they not only tend to equate "safety" with protection from "oppressive" speech but openly support double standards that favor the "marginalized" over the "privileged." In October 2015, Wired published a roundtable discussion on combating online abuse, featuring Twitter vice president Del Harvey as well as several activists. One of the thing that stood out in that discussion was the explicit assumption that solutions to online harassment should give priority to "marginalized" victims - "women, people of color, and LGBT people" - and help advocates for progressive causes.

When this is Twitter policy, of course Twitter's suspensions and bans will not be seen as impartial.

While the perils of "mean words" are sometimes exaggerated, harassment and abuse on the Internet are a real problem. Should social media platforms do something about it? Yes, I think so. But anti-abuse policies need transparency as well as a commitment to fairness and free speech. Otherwise, efforts to curb abuse will become just another battlefield in the online wars. In fact, they already have.

UPDATE:

Many people have continued to suggest that Leslie Jones's "Get her!" tweet violated Twitter rules against "targeted abuse."

These are the tweets to which Jones was responding, from a 17-year-old Trump supporter named Kaitlyn (who was subsequently banned).

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Source: here, on an alt-right blog whose owner thinks Kaitlyn has a "quirky sense of humor." For what it's worth, this same blogger thinks that Jones's "Get her!" may have been a request for people to report Kaitlyn, not to harass her. In any case, while I don't think Jones's response was very wise, I also don't think that "siccing" your followers on someone who repeatedly sends you vile abusive tweets is what Twitter defines or should define as "targeted harassment."

Interestingly, moments before she was banned, Kaitlyn tweeted to Milo (who had previously chatted with her on Twitter at least once) bragging about Jones's response to her:

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That doesn't make Milo responsible for Kaitlyn's tweets, of course. But it does show that part of his schtick is giving encouragement to "rebellious" young people who think calling a black person a gorilla is scintillating anti-PC humor.

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@mindph@mindph
Jul 21, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
So is there ANY evidence that Milo did something wrong in means of violating Twitter TOS, or even something in the means that the attacks been "rallied and directed by Mr. Yiannopoulos" as nytimes claims it boldly (without any citation given, of course)? I have read numerous articles on this issue and never found any only slight evidence. The only thing I saw was the fake tweets you posted here, where it's not even clear that Milo created them himself.

So after all this whole thing seems like Nero is a scapegoat, a punching bag here for Twitter to punish someone because they couldn't get a hold of all the trolls. So they ban Milo, who they had a down on for months already anyhow at least since he started to be vocal about gamergate.

Twitter punishes Milo for something the trolls did that also happened to follow him. I would call that facism.
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@riseredemption@riseredemption
Jul 21, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
There is no evidence at all that Milo said anything resembling racist or inciting harassment. Lesile was already receiving hate mail before Milo engaged her. He told her to stop feeding the trolls and alluded to her being manly and making numerous grammatical errors. Milo Should not be held accountable for the actions of others whether or not they are his fans.
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@mindph@mindph
Jul 21, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
I guessed as much that's why I was asking.

The only reason where Twitter could rightfully permaban someone was a violation of the TOS since Milo would had known them upon creating his account and agreed to them. And I also think that Milo is smart enough not to violate them.

Also NYT and other media writers are clearly lying when they claim that Milo "rallied and directed" the attacks towards Leslie Jones. He might be bold, he might also be narcissistic but he is clearly not so dumb that he would conduct such an attack.
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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Your update is completely meaningless, unless there's some kind of right of retaliation in the twitter TOS. "Inciting harassment is a violation of the rules unless someone is being a dick to you?" Jones explicitly violated the Twitter TOS and wasn't punished, while Milo did not violate the TOS, and was. Stop making excuses.
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@riseredemption@riseredemption
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Thank you for the update. I do believe Milo might have enjoyed some of the chaos that ensued. I think often times internet savvy people forget that newer users are often unprepared for the harsh realities of the Internet and may be a bit unsympathetic. At sites like Reddit, YouTube and especially 4Chan snide remarks, cruel attacks,and idol worship are in a never ending cycle of Internet notoriety.
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@otterjesus@otterjesus
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
They also perma banned him cause he's done stuff like this before and even though they've unsuspended him he keeps doing it. They've given him many chances but he insisted on trying to get banned so he could play the victim and claim he's cause he's a conservative.
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@otterjesus@otterjesus
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
They also suspended him perma banned him cause he's done stuff like this before and even though they've unsuspended him he keeps doing it. They've given him many chances but he insisted on trying to get banned so he could play the victim and claim he's cause he's a conservative.
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James A. LindsayJames A. Lindsay
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
I have to admit, this is probably the most balanced and useful take on the whole Milo thing that I've seen. I'm very appreciative, not least because I, too, am ambivalent about the outcome. Even after reading this and a dozen other things, and watching a dozen videos (most of which I shouldn't have made time for), I still have to suspend judgment on whether or not Twitter made the right move.

The far deeper and harder question lurking beneath the whole thing is when does a privately owned public forum like Twitter get big enough and central enough to how people communicate that free-speech issues become legitimate concerns when the company exercises its right and power to censor and censure. Social media has made a new world for us to navigate in terms of speech rights and laws, and the companies that operate these platforms will serve as the de facto arbiters of what speech is and isn't protected (on their servers).

Previously, we called such "editorial control," but publication was generally accepted to be at the whim of editors. Social media has democratized the field into an entirely new situation in which these battles have to be fought and, more importantly, figured out. Hardlining will be a part of that, and it will be the unfortunate part that both moves the conversation and prevents it.

Twitter's fairly obvious bias is troubling, of course, but it is to be expected. Morally motivated actors don't think they're acting with bias. They think they're right, objectively right, and their moral enemies are wrong, objectively wrong. They're wrong about this, of course, but that only makes moderating forums more difficult and more contentious. Twitter's hypocrisy in stating that they want to be like a utility is made effectively irrelevant by this observation about moral motivations, unless they're willing to take that to the final level of behaving in their mod policies literally with the same reservation as government actors (without the benefit of courts to overturn the matter when they screw it up, which, you'll notice, happens all the time out in the real world -- First Amendment law is a rather bustling domain within our judiciary).

What to do? No idea.
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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Use common carrier regulation- the same thing that explicitly forbids phone companies, power companies, etc. from cutting off your service if they don't like you. The thing about social media networks is that their value increases massively with economies of scale, and if there's a place where that particular bell curve tops out, I haven't seen it. Structurally, Twitter, FB, etc. appear to be natural monopolies within their niche, so they should be treated as such.
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James A. LindsayJames A. Lindsay
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
That's a possible solution, and it may, in fact, be the one that comes to pass, but I don't think the legal architecture to regulate them as quasi-utilities exists yet. The process (read: fight) to bring it about will probably not be a smooth one.
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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
I think most of the architecture is there in the pre-existing model for natural monopolies. We've been dealing with them as such for something like a century, so we've got most of the kinks ironed out. You're right, though- implementation will be a bloodbath, because they're going to use their power over information to try and protect their fiefdom. (Did you see what the French government had to do in their investigation of Google for tax evasion? Think that, scaled up by a couple orders of magnitude.)
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@ejeck@ejeck
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
This is one of the most balanced bits of editorial I have read in years. Also, the replies are some of the most well-thought-out, coherent, and intelligent I've experienced in a forum like this in... well... ever. Great analysis!
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@henry@henry
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Twitter doesn't remove actual rape and murder threats to people and allows jihadis to post messages of hatred towards the West with no consequences to those account holders while they remove Milo's verification tick (even though he was proved to them that he is in fact the account holder) in an attempt to delegitimize him and has ultimately banned him just for disagreeing third-wave feminism and political correctness. Twitter clearly have no regard for free speech or for defending actual victims of hate speech from that hate speech. It's all political. Twitter should be closed down. How that Peter Theil is more or less finished with Gawker perhaps he could turn his eye to Twitter and destroy them as well?
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@conrad1on@conrad1on
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Appreciate your take on this, and while I agree with parts there's a couple of points I wanted to address.

Firstly, "Is Milo responsible for his fans' behavior? No, but I don't see him discouraging it." There's an implication here that he's good with the some of the worst things being said to Jones. For me, unless he's outright stated that he has no problem with any particular comment, I'm not going to presume he was. Similarly with the girl you reference at the end - I don't see how him talking with her once about Mariah Carey suggests that he was fine with unrelated awful things she said more recently.

Already people like Laurie Penny aren't even making a distinction anyway, and writing about how Milo 'sent racist abuse to Leslie Jones': archive.is/jwc4s While not the first, nor I'm sure the last time that he'll be misrepresented, and while I would not defend to the death everything he's ever said (though perhaps his right to say it), it doesn't really sit well with me when someone is condemned for something they didn't actually do.

As far as I'm aware, Jones had been battling trolls all day before Milo said a word to her, so the idea that these were all 'Milo fans' isn't necessarily true anyway, but *even if* every single one of them were an avowed Milo-worshipper, I feel uneasy with someone being held directly responsible for the actions of others. If there's clear proof of Milo actively ordering people to say those terrible things to her - or possibly even just revelling in people saying them - then fuck him, he did wrong and he paid the price. But the truth is, beyond his usual cattiness towards another Internet personality, I haven't seen anything like that.

Do I agree with everything Milo says or does? No. Do I agree with everything his followers say? Definitely not. But I feel like if we let guilt-by-association stand as a valid tactic to remove people, we've just gifted another tool for the disingenuous to excise people they simply just don't like from the public square.

If there ever was a reason that Milo should be ousted from Twitter for breaking ToS - and there may have been, I couldn't say he'd never knowingly violated any of them - I don't believe this was it. But the truth is, most cheering this decision won't care *how* it happened, just that it has, with scant regard for the implications further down the line when perhaps someone they actually like - or possible even they themselves - transgress with a bit of wrongthink and find themselves subject to a similar removal process.

Regarding Twitter's policies in general though, I fully agree. They can of course run their own site how they like, but they need to stop making claims about it being a 'free speech platform' and such that patently are not true.

Even putting Milo aside, I think we all know that is about as far from being accurate as it's possible to get.
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@janscott@janscott
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
There is way too much guilt by association here. Milo is in no way responsible for the behavior of his followers. Milo is trying to be funny most of the time and he often fails but so what? Free speech is often offensive speech.
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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
And this is his problem how?

To make a long story short, there is no "problem with Milo." If he didn't incite anyone- and if he did, the evidence has yet to be produced- then he didn't do anything, period. That he's got an account that's popular with the prole whites that you loathe is neither here nor there.

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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
"Prove it." Did you miss that part, or do you people just mentally edit out everything that undermines the kvetch du jour? Milo has plausible deniability, unless you have evidence to the contrary- in which case, care to share it with the class?
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Cathy YoungCathy Young
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Not really playing chickenshit games, sorry. I think Milo's cutesy response after someone pointed out the tweets were fake is sufficient proof. If you unknowingly post fake tweets, you delete them, you don't joke about it.
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@djp1961@djp1961
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
I disagree, someone making a flippant comment hardly counts as sufficient proof of anything other than poor judgement. Did Milo sail close to the border, and sometimes cross over it definitely, but this decision to ban him just smacks of convenient and blatant opportunism.
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grayscaleplaidgrayscaleplaid
Jul 24, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
The TOS doesn't specify that. Again: can you present any actual concrete proof of a quantifiable TOS violation? Milo isn't guilty by virtue of you wanting him to be, no matter how hard you clap your hands and believe.
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Infinite DissentInfinite Dissent
Jul 22, 2016
The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
Balanced and mature as always. It takes guts to adopt a neutral position on a divisive issue knowing that you will inevitably be vilified by the extremists on both sides.

For what it's worth I don't think Milo deserved to be banned, and Twitter's blatant favouritism towards left-wing bullies is alarming, but neither is Milo an innocent victim who was banned purely for being conservative. Plenty of other conservatives manage to use social media without being banned; it seems the site administrators consider the line to be crossed when you use your celebrity status to focus negative attention on a specific user.
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The trouble with Milo -- and Twitter In the latest social media drama, Breitbart tech editor and professional provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been, apparently, perma-banned from Twitter for allegedly inciting the racist harassment of Ghostbusters co-star Leslie Jones. Milo has long accused
People who are old enough to remember casual, open racism and Antisemitism react differently to the racism and Antisemitism of Twitter, I think. Anyone under 30 has no legitimate memory of real Antisemitism, but they understand perfectly that for those people who DO remember, it's very upsetting, and they delight in upsetting.

There is a huge generational divide, and I agree with Milo that most people spewing anti-Jew idiocy on Twitter do so because they consider Antisemitism about as legitimate as fat acceptance. Both are ridiculous, as far as Twitter is concerned.
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