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[–]Keeping_itreal 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

As discussed, making a family will reap larger rewards than all the other stuff a man can do, including fantastical hobbies. Thats why bother.

Don't know if this is true. But what I do know is that, as a MGTOW, I do not need a woman for that. Have you heard of surrogate mothers? I can use an egg donor and a surrogate to have children--kinda like this guy. I can easily afford to do so overseas while simultaneously eliminating the chance that the state will take the kids away from me and give them to a woman who will teach them to hate me (as happens to men in 90% of divorce cases).

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The way I see it, people who have children with surrogate mothers are just as naive -using very light terms here- as intentional single mothers. You'd do that to your child? Knowingly denying it a (biological) mother before it is even born? Hell, only denying breastfeeding will aready fuck up its immune system. If you know your way around here, you know full well the psychological consequences following an absent (biological) father, do you really think cutting out the mother straight after birth will have any less of an effect?

There are single parents out there who didn't choose for it, and I applaud them for their great efforts at making the best out of this situation. But knowingly, willingly denying your child a parent, just so you can have a mini-me is beyond my comprehension, and I don't have a good word for it.

Just because it's possible doesn't mean you should. You haven't thought this through.

[–]Keeping_itreal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The way I see it, people who have children with surrogate mothers are just as naive -using very light terms here- as intentional single mothers.

Interesting analysis. The data does not support it however: children raised by single fathers are roughly twice better off financially (less likely to suffer poverty) and suffer 1/2 the abuse. Those are arguably the most important predictors of the future success of a child. The children of single fathers are better off than those of single mothers. All the more astounding when you consider that most single fathers are actually from the lowest socio-economic background.

You'd do that to your child?

Yes, yes I would.

Knowingly denying it a (biological) mother before it is even born?

As opposed to what? A 50% chance that it gets a mother who will then divorce me and take the child away? How much do you care about your child to find those acceptable odds to lose children?

Hell, only denying breastfeeding will already fuck up its immune system.

No, it won't "fuck up" the child's immune system. It's immune system will probably be weaker, but with modern medicine always available this can be dealt with in the early years until the child catches up. With the number of modern women giving up on breastfeeding anyway to keep their boobs, your theory of "fucked up" immune systems is weak. Men who use surrogate mothers (straight and gay) deal with this effectively.

do you really think cutting out the mother straight after birth will have any less of an effect?

Yes I do. The children of single mothers are not worse off simply because they don't have a father. There are many other factors such as their mothers being much more poor, low IQ, abusive, compulsive, unable/uninterested to participate in the child's education etc...

Listen, if I ever go the route, I will not be having baby I cannot support with a chad I couldn't close my legs for before he ran away, or a husband I got bored with. I will be starting from a very comfortable position, with enough wealth to provide anything the child could need and much, much more. Not having a mother will be an handicap, but it can be overcome; much more easily than a typical single motherhood.

Not that mothers are that important. As research shows (twin studies in particular), parents influence little to nothing of who their child will become. So long as you provide decently for them, show emotional support and do not abuse them, almost everything your child becomes will be genetically inherited. The best you can do is find kickass genes for your child (easier with surrogacy) and the correct peer groups. It is human hubris which makes parents think that their children are pets they need to teach tricks to instead of fully independent human beings with their own natures.

There are single parents out there who didn't choose for it, and I applaud them for their great efforts at making the best out of this situation. But knowingly, willingly denying your child a parent, just so you can have a mini-me is beyond my comprehension, and I don't have a good word for it.

Do you have a good word for people who throw a coin in the air to find out if they'll get to keep their children? I thought people on this sub would understand this shit: hate the game, not the player. The US family court system changed the rules of the game by denying men guaranteed equal custody (except in the case of the child's refusal or physical abuse);I am just adapting. If you can change the laws, I will change my strategy. But that will never happen so keep your good word for men who gamble their children away, I don't need it.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

You're exactly the kind of guy who needs to listen to the chat. The stuff you're talking about is nonsense when you compare it to the success you can have when you apply sexual strategy properly.

Single men are not lying up to adopt. Yet they are lining up to get screwed in marriages by not learning how to manage women which has an easier fix than you might be thinking. Learn how to manage women (and yourself), you'll be glad you did.

[–]Keeping_itreal 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is the difference between MGTOW and guys like you that you seem to be missing: I do not have the time nor the patience to bend over backward to accommodate the inanities of the female sex. I do what I want, regardless of what women do. Learning and applying your sexual strategy takes time and energy I could spend doing a million other things which make me happy. I still get everything I want from women without doing so, using money. By the time I am done, I will have slept with thousands of sexy women using high end escorts and sexual tourism and if I ever want them, children by a surrogate mother.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that your choice is the "wrong" one. It's just the one which makes you happy. I don't need it nor do I want it.

[–]Unholy_VI 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Given the situation he describes in the video I'm not nearly as certain as he seems to be that his 'managed' woman isn't banging multiple super high SMV athletes that she works with.

I'm glad he's so sure becuase AWALT...except his.

Cuase he 'manages' her.

Not a fan of MGTOW but have to give you this round.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Its telling when I describe my relationship and the first response is "She is banging other guys!!1!" you fellas sound worse than a jealous post-wall woman.

If she cheats then I'll dump her, learn my lessons and move on. I bet you fellas think I would retreat into the basement, nah.

Its things like this that make me feel sorry for MGTOW. I get that my relationship (or any relationship) is not at their level, but its no reason to try and shit on people who are doing well.

Reminds me of guys who hate "The system" because they are unemployable.

[–]Unholy_VI 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know

for such an alpha redpill man...you REALLY have a fragile ego. Not saying I'm any better but then I'm not holding myself up as some sort of ascended redpill master either.

I mean, you disavow MGTOW and that's great. But your backhanded support of common law marriage and idea that the family is man's highest ideal...gah.

Whatever man, if you need to say more say it. I'm done here.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

More retreat? Eesh. You fellas love that strategy. Keep worrying about that common law marriage boogey man.

[–]atomsk413 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, I think you proved his point.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proved his point with the very limited count of states with common law marriage?

or with the multiple cumulative requirements for a common law marriage?

or how about the chronological requirements?

Which?

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I do not have the time nor the patience to bend over backward to accommodate the inanities of the female sex. I do what I want, regardless of what women do.

I was right earlier, you're exactly the kind of person we spoke about. Your statement here just proves my point, like the youtube comments. You're not familiar with the struggle of sexual strategy, if you were you would understand that its not "bending over backwards". Thats just your estimation because of all the MGTOW crap, its not objective or analytical in any way and the problem is that more objective analysis won't help.

By the time I am done, I will have slept with thousands of sexy women using high end escorts and sexual tourism and if I ever want them, children by a surrogate mother.

My points being (unfortunately proven) again. We covered this intellectualizing on the call and it is at the crux of the problem. People who have accomplished what you're trying to emulate will be derisive about this and insulted by your selfish fears creating a shitty environment for an innocent life. Statistics won't keep your children warm at night.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that your choice is the "wrong" one.

You're so far off the deep end that you are equating going to third world prostitutes with a healthy sex life and surrogate motherhood with actual motherhood. I don't think anyone rational would care what you considered "wrong".

I don't need it nor do I want it.

This is the lie that MGTOW tell themselves after reading 24/7 Divorce rape and hiding in their basements. Its nonsense and hopefully it stops soon.

[–]Keeping_itreal 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are a rather self centered fellow, aren't you? I can't help but get the feeling that, with your collectivist mindset, you have convinced yourself that all men want what you want; that we're all looking for the same thing in life and value whatever you do. I mean, seriously, just look at your comment:

You're not familiar with the struggle of sexual strategy, if you were you would understand that its not "bending over backwards".

Interesting choice of words my friend. You call sexual strategy a struggle and then tell me it's not "bending over backward". It may not be so to you, but I am not you. I have no obligation to want to join you in this "struggle" to obtain the validation of women by them spreading their legs for me. We have different values, the validation of some random woman is too low on my list to illicit a desire to "struggle" and obtain it. I know, this is hard to understand as a self centered collectivist but it is what it is.

Thats just your estimation because of all the MGTOW crap, its not objective or analytical in any way and the problem is that more objective analysis won't help.

Remember kids! If you have nothing of value to add to a discussion, just call your opponent too dumb to understand and you can walk away feeling good about yourself.

People who have accomplished what you're trying to emulate will be derisive about this and insulted by your selfish fears creating a shitty environment for an innocent life.

Not really, whoremongering and child-rearing can be kept apart quite nicely. All it takes is a little thinking.

Statistics won't keep your children warm at night.

No they won't. I don't need a wife to do it though, so this line is meaningless. Lacking a mother does not necessarily create a shitty environment for the child. That's just traditionalist/feminist propaganda. I already dealt with it in my reply to u/Code_Bordeauxx on this thread and I won't repeat for you.

You're so far off the deep end that you are equating going to third world prostitutes with a healthy sex life

If you were less of a collectivist, you would recognize a few problems with this statement. For example, what is a healthy sex life? Who decides what it is and what gives them the authority to do so? Are they infallible? Are you just using the world "healthy" to mean the kind of sex life you personally approve of? Should I spend time, money and energy convincing women to give me a "healthy" sex life even if it doesn't make me happy?

I know that with a ego like yours, this may be difficult to understand but we don't all want what you do. I can book a flight to Bangkok tomorrow morning and fuck ten women, 8-9 out of10 on the SMV scale, by the time I am back. To me, that is more preferable than spending untold amounts of time, money and effort raising my SMV high enough to possibly, maybe achieve the same result.

I don't think anyone rational would care what you considered "wrong".

This is an opinion, not an argument. This is just you stroking your own dick about how much more "rational" you are without adding anything meaningful to the discussion. Of course, you must know this. Anyone rational would.

This is the lie that MGTOW tell themselves after reading 24/7 Divorce rape and hiding in their basements. Its nonsense and hopefully it stops soon.

Spoken like a true collectivist creep. You actually believe that, despite being a fallible human being, you are in a position to tell other human beings what they should want out of life. Amazing!

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are a rather self centered fellow, aren't you?

I got this a lot while receiving blowjobs from interested, submissive women. Not paid ones.

your collectivist mindset

All healthy men want to have sex. Not rocket science, it only gets murky if one believes the MGTOW lie.

Interesting choice of words my friend. You call sexual strategy a struggle and then tell me it's not "bending over backward"

Nitpicking about semantics. Trying to waste my time? What you call a struggle, someone else might call a walk in the park. We covered this in the call re: Progression.

Not really, whoremongering and child-rearing can be kept apart quite nicely. All it takes is a little thinking.

"A little thinking" oh if only everyone else in the world did "A little thinking". Again, you're very far off the deep end, it takes more than "A little thinking".

Lacking a mother does not necessarily create a shitty environment for the child. That's just traditionalist/feminist propaganda. I already dealt with it in my reply to u/Code_Bordeauxx on this thread and I won't repeat for you.

You were spouting nonsense there too. Ultimately missing the point that was mentioned at least 3 times in the call "Mistaking the unintelligible for the unintelligent".

what is a healthy sex life?

The fact that you need this explained is part of the problem. Did you need a peer reviewed study to learn how to walk? no. MGTOW only need statistics to talk shit on the internet about things they have negative feelings towards. Covered in the call.

You actually believe that, despite being a fallible human being, you are in a position to tell other human beings what they should want out of life. Amazing!

Leadership is not for everyone. Feel free to step aside.

[–]Keeping_itreal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got this a lot while receiving blowjobs from interested, submissive women. Not just paid ones.

ROFLOL! What makes you think that I also want interested, submissive women. Again, deflate that ego a little bit and think back to what I said earlier. I don't care what she wants. Whether she is interested, enjoying herself or not is none of my concern. What I care about is whether or not I am enjoying myself and I pay her to make sure I do. If I want her to be submissive, she will.

All healthy men want to have sex.

Opinion, opinion. How do you define a "healthy" man?You can spend 3 years in med school and they will tell you that there is no generally accepted definition of what a "healthy" man is. So I don't know what the fuck you're going on about. I like sex, that's why I get all the sex I want and more. If some other dude decides to swear it off, none of my business.

"A little thinking" oh if only everyone else in the world did "A little thinking". Again, you're very far off the deep end, it takes more than "A little thinking".

I thought you didn't like wasting time with semantics. Or did you change your mind about that already.

You were spouting nonsense there too.

This is not an argument. It's like a child putting his hands on his ears and screaming "you're wrong!". Completely worthless. Just stroking your own dick.

Did you need a peer reviewed study to learn how to walk? no

No. But I would need some once someone starts making the subjective argument on what constitutes a healthy way of walking, and stipulating that everyone should walk exactly like them regardless of personal preferences.

Leadership is not for everyone. Feel free to step aside.

This is hilarious! Is that what you think you are? A leader. Just remember, those who need leaders are not qualified to lead their own lives. I am not interested in babysitting some idiots or following another. So I will step aside, thank you very much!