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News/ArticleTim Sweeney thinks Microsoft will make Steam 'progressively worse' with Windows 10 patches (pcgamer.com)

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[–]Paul8491 53ポイント54ポイント  (14子コメント)

I just hope linux, game developers, and hardware manufacturers give us good, stable software drivers and better support. I'm getting sick of Microsoft trying to own everything, Linux is the way to go.

[–]MidnaspetSplatoon is fun 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Linux is the way to go.

not until it gets support. plus until linux can emulate the windows experience perfectly without me having to build it myself I wont touch it. OSX is the closest I am ever getting to unix, well that and my phone

[–]pearshapedscorpionSpecs/Imgur here 72ポイント73ポイント  (19子コメント)

It wouldn't be the first time that Sweeney railed against MS, it also wouldn't be the first time he did that without knowing what he was actually talking about.

[–]justanotherusername_Specs/Imgur Here 50ポイント51ポイント  (15子コメント)

Sure but at the same time it isn't the first time Microsoft have been sneaky and dishonest.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

But their sneakiness and dishonesty is constrained by pragmatism. They know better than anyone that messing with Steam isn't going to make their users move to the Store, and besides, DOOM has already proven that Vulkan is a very, very viable alternative to DX12. Doing so will only hurt themselves.

[–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti Hybrid|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Exactly, let's not forget if it is shown that they are releasing patches to W10 that actually causes issues with Steam and can show a pattern of that behavior, then that opens them up to litigation from Valve.

UWP doesn't do anything to Steam, and MSFT isn't as dumb or nefarious as people think they are. They aren't going to do anything to hurt steam, they will try to win folks over to the MSFT Store by integration with XBL and making the UWP games more 'open' as they have already shown they are doing by enabling overlays, SLI, so forth.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

UWP really isn't going to take off though, it really isn't. Given a choice, everyone would download the Win32 over the UWP version, with the only exceptions being the ones where there isn't the Win32 option. As most developers will want to cater to the lowest common denominator, they'd do Win32 releases so they can rake in those Windows 7/8.1 holdouts as well.

[–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti Hybrid|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Don't count your chickens there. It already it taking off. You are assuming everyone is like us here in this subreddit or in other tech related ones, but that's simply not the case.

Major companies have already scrapped their current windows store apps for UWP apps, folks used to tablets and phones and not PC's are using it in droves. For Developers the telemetry data received is invaluable and something you won't get with an installer.

Those of us on this and other tech related subreddits make up a fraction of MSFT's Windows 8.1 and 10 user base. You cannot make broad assumptions based on our small section of a venn diagram.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

For app developers whose apps can run on tablets/mobile devices, yes. For AAA game developers and consumers, not so much. My point still stands, given a choice between an identical Win32 and UWP app, the consumer will pick the Win32 app every single time, and the developer would just do a half-assed UWP port if they really wanted to for the heck of it.

[–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti Hybrid|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your point doesn't stand. Your thinking is around a small subset of windows users. Its purely up to the dev yes, and the ability to have the option is great, but people who know the different between a desktop app and a UWP app are a lot smaller slice of the pie than you think. If you give an average Windows User the option of going to the store to download something or going to a website, paying, then downloading, and going through an install menu, they are going to chose the former. You cannot think inside the tech savvy box, where most of the people on this sub live. The broader userbase would NOT pick a downloadable installer over a Windows Store app.

Edit: to also drive the point home, here is an article from forbes (ad-block blocked unfortunately, but still accessible) where they go over hte success the store is having:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2016/05/26/microsoft-shares-numbers-on-staggering-success-of-windows-store/#77561a8c6ff4

Bottom line, the majority of the users prefer simplicity over diversity. It sucks, but its the truth and why the Windows Store and UWP is succeeding.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The broader userbase would NOT pick a downloadable installer over a Windows Store app.

And i fully agree if their first ever operating system they used was Windows 10. But the average user wouldn't want to use programs they aren't familiar with, on a store they aren't familiar with, running on a platform with limitations they aren't familiar with either.

[–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti Hybrid|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That isn't even applicable anymore. A vast majority of users prefer centralized app stores which they are used to with Steam (which is what it is), Apple Store and Google Store. It is what people are accustom to now, not fishing around the internet looking for an installer. It is why the MSFT Store has been a success despite what people believe, as the facts and figures support it. Even if you used windows 3.11 or DOS, folks still prefer in general, simplicity over complexity. That is what these stores offer.

[–]jjhhgg1001234820k @ 4.5ghz | 390x Hybrid Cooled | 16gb RAM | 850 watt PSU 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

And it definitely won't be that last.

[–]LtLabcoati5-6600K, Zotac GTX1080 Amp Extreme, 4k monitor. Quite rich. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You still need more evidence than "Well, Microsoft's done some sneaky things in the past" to believe a conspiracy theory, though. And there's just no evidence here at all.

[–]LyratheflirtSpecs/Imgur Here -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't microsoft try to pull this shit with windows 8? Like they wanted to make steam not work?

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No.

edit: I answered your question, but thanks for the downvotes. Sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear.

[–]FuNkSt3PJorbyPls - i5-6600k | R9 390 x2 Crossfire | 12 GB RAM -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Something tells me Sweeney knows a lot more about business practice than you, unless you're a CEO in disguise or something.

[–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti Hybrid|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless he works for MSFT, he knows jack shit about their business practices, just like everyone on here. We can only go off of past and present behavior, which shows they don't write purposeful nefarious code to interfere with competitors applications, cause you know, that will land them in legal battles. History shows the opposite.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're really giving Sweeny more credit than he deserves. He likes to make waves with grandiose/outrageous claims every couple of years just so people talk about him again. He doesn't have a great track record anymore.

[–]GhostedIC 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

For the record, when he says "Microsoft has done this before" he is talking about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Microsoft successfully killed Netscape Navigator this way in the 90's among other things. Also, try opening a Word file with, say, math and chemistry symbols in OpenOffice or the like- it won't bloody work, and they have a legal lock down preventing anyone from making it work, you have to buy MS Office.

Microsoft pioneered this anti-competitive technique and i believe they still plan to use it today, no matter what they say. I'm just waiting for them to 'extend' BASH functionality. This is why I HATE the idea of going to Win 10 where I can't disable updates, they can deliberately or negligently break anything with no recourse at all, AND they've shown they're willing to be deceptive abut the contents of updates.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/microsoft-hiding-get-windows-10-ad-generators-internet-explorer-security-patches-1548717

Tl;Dr Sweeney isn't just crazy you guys.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

That was Ballmer. Nadella has made quite a point of doing everything the way Ballmer wouldn't.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ballmer was a lot more consumer friendly than Nadella though. Yes, Microsoft was clearly going the wrong direction, but at least we didn't have sneaky upgrades, Windows 10 adware bundled in security updates, enhanced telemetry collection and so on.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The entire industry is going that way. Google, Apple, they do similar things. If Microsoft was the only ones doing this, that'd be much more compelling argument, but my Google account frankly has way more information on me than my Microsoft account.

So, it all boils down to consumer trust. Sure, tons of folks in this subreddit don't trust Microsoft, but they do seem to trust Google. I don't get the double standard.

And, to top it off, since Consumer Trust is such a valuable currency in the tech industry, Microsoft going and ruining that consumer trust by illegally sabotaging a competitor's software would be a huge hit to that consumer confidence. Developers would not want to write apps for an OS that could decide they're the next target. Microsoft has made a huge comeback in the last few years, it's be unfathomably stupid for them to throw it all away to lock in the fickle "Gamer market", particularly when that industry makes pennies on the dollar compared to the Enterprise contracts that pay all the bills at Microsoft.

[–]kb3035583i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I fully agree, just pointing out that Microsoft went the shady route only after Nadella took over.

[–]FuNkSt3PJorbyPls - i5-6600k | R9 390 x2 Crossfire | 12 GB RAM -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one's going to listen. They all know more than him, clearly /s

[–]harukashii5 4690K, Z87-Plus, 16GB Ram, GTX 770 2GB, Logitech Z-5500 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

If this happens, it will be the day I install Linux and finally give up on wretched Windows.

[–]Ski7les420 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I give it about 5 years. Just gotta get the gaming side over... The APIs are here. Just need time....

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Just give it 5 years" - Linux users, every year since 1991.

[–]Ski7les420 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Didnt have unified graphics api for linux. Opengl is good, but very clear complicated . Vulkan will alleviate a lot of problems -- hopefully developers will take risks and release quality product. Steam is already on linux, distro is already there. Just need IP

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, 5 more years for the IPs, right?

Call me when that happens.

[–]AtlastheYeevengeri7 6700 | GTX 750 Ti 4GB | Better GPU Wanted 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

RemindMe! 5 years "Can linux play all the things?"

[–]Ski7les420 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jeeeeze. Debbie downer.

[–]Its_me_Freddyi7 3770K - 16GB - GTX 980Ti 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, sure, MS can do some questionable things every now and then, but deliberately making Steam slower I just can't see. Wouldn't be good business to kill one of the most popular programs on you platform, and even if they did, someone would find a way to undo it.

[–]linkinstreeti7 4960X - 16GB Corsair DDR3 - 128GB Intel SSD - GTX1070 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

That guy needs to tone down on the kool-aid

[–]LtLabcoati5-6600K, Zotac GTX1080 Amp Extreme, 4k monitor. Quite rich. 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

So his conspiracy theory here is that Microsoft will release a series of patches that will make third-party digital game shops unusable.

Despite having never actually released such a patch patch so far.

And part of this plan involves encouraging developers to use UWP instead of Win32, despite that UWP doesn't require the Windows Store to use.

And his basis for all this?

That’s exactly what they did to their previous competitors in other areas.

Yes, that's exactly why I can't use Chrome or Firefox anymore, and why Open Office is totally broken. ...Except what I just said is nonsense, so what?!

I've seen some bloody stupid Microsoft-based conspiracy theories, but this one's the most ridiculous yet!

[–]Guest522 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

MS's sneakiness is fairly well-documented though. There's a reason why there are quite well-sourced articles on Wikipedia about EEE and FUD; the question isnt whether he's wearing a tinfoil hat, but on whether you trust a thief to not steal again.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I love how folks keep linking things companies did 15 years ago under completely different mangagement and a completely different regulatory structure as if it's proof that the same thing can happen again.

Microsoft has a lot more to lose now. People pay attention to the software they push. They aren't the only option, and they know it, and so do their customers. Getting caught doing something like this -- which would be very easy to catch given how much people disassemble updates/patches nowadays -- would only drive people to Linux or OSX.

EEE made sense when Microsoft had all their software under lock and key -- that's not really the case anymore, and there's a LOT of oversight and collaboration that would leak this kind of tin-foil conspiracy. This should be more of an indictment on Sweeny losing his mind than anything Microsoft has done.

If Microsoft actually were to do something like this, we'd easily find out, and the appropriate repercussions (people switching OS's, etc) would all happen. But listening to Sweeny's FUD and saying "MS DID FUD A LONG TIME AGO!" as justification is such a mind-blowing example of cognitive dissonance, it's not worth taking him or anyone buying this seriously.

[–]Guest522 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

The entire point of the exercise is not that MS Did these things fifteen years ago, but that they DID these things thirty to twenty five years ago, found out twenty years ago, (after they were already an established brand) to only pay their dues fifteen years ago when they're already a gigantic brand who can dish out 280mil like its a pittance.

MS plays the long con. Anything they start NOW, will pay off in say 2020~2025 (or earlier, since they got a good install base for Win10). Or worse, it'll pay off in 2017~2018, and will only be provably found out in 2025, when Win14 is out in stores and everyone moved to it so they have cross-compatibility with Xbox Next Plus Alpha.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, getting rid of Win32 sounds like an excellent long-term plan, especially one that you shouldn't tell all your corporate customers about.

You're completely off your rocker. You don't appear to understand the fiscal responsibilities that companies of Microsoft's size have to their customers and their shareholders, nor the stipulations of a enterprise-level contract. Getting rid of Win32 without informing anyone would be suicidal. Getting rid of Win32 and notifying customers would drive customers away, or keep them from ever upgrading at best. And, for Sweeny's little fantasy to happen, Win32 would have to go.

Not to mention, the Department of Fucking Defense uses Windows, and Win32. They alone would intervene if Microsoft threatened to get rid of Win32 for some stupid gaming chump change. (Microsoft doesn't make much money off of gaming anyways, the market is nothing compared to what Enterprise contracts bring in.)

I'm sorry, this is all 100% tin-foil hat crackpot stuff. Nobody's saying this couldn't happen, but it would be monumentally stupid for Microsoft to do so, to the point that Nadella would likely be kicked out by the Board. Microsoft is not a "Gaming" company, they're a company that makes a lot of money that happens to dabble in gaming. Fucking your primary (enterprise) customers for a bunch of whiny, finicky gaming customers, an industry where PR can turn everyone against you in a heartbeat, is so nonsensical I'm thinking you need to have your head looked at.

[–]Guest522 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying MS will get rid of Win32 now. I'm saying they will get rid of it eventually.

And you are right about the Enterprise level consumers. But all MS really need to do is a, say, Win14 Enterprise Edition (different version of the same software, with a different featureset, maybe including a storeless UWP implementation so they can have their UWP software without having to deal with the stuff needs to deal with.)

Or, a Win14NT (a slightly different Windows core that isnt Quite compatible with user-level Windows, a la Win95/WinNT, but that fulfills all the needs of Enterprise.)

The one fiscal responsibility every corporation has is to make more money to their shareholders. MS has all the users; the next step for more money, is to start milking those users for more. I will admit, everything I wrote here, except the italicized sentence, is speculation; but as I said at the start, MS has a history of doing this kind of stuff.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or, Microsoft could simply compete in a fair manner, since the gaming business is fucking bullshit compared to what they're already doing. Also, designing an Enterprise-only replacement to Win32 would be more effort than any of this is worth.

But you know how I know you don't know what you're talking about? Because you're referring to "Win14". Windows 10 is going to be the last iteration of Windows for a long time. It's Software as a Service now. Doing what you've suggested is literally the exact opposite of the course Microsoft has set their ship on for the last five years, and that particular course seems to be working very well for them. And reversing course, creating a whole new enterprise OS that provides less functionality, no compatibility with older applications that enterprises rely upon, and no tangible benefit to it's customers, just to stick it to Valve, a company that Microsoft could buy outright if they wanted to?

Get. Real.

Stop trying to be an armchair executive -- the people Microsoft are paying to run the show know a lot more about it than you do, clearly.

[–]OneCrazyRussianFX6350/8GB/R9 290 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

What Sweeney does not think about is that MS currently EMBRACES Steam as a big platform

Then they will EXTEND it with UWP apps being available there (all you need is to incorporate a signing and a licensing mechanism, local UWP installation itself will be easy to manage via current Steam installation script system, I dunno if it supports PowerShell atm)

The EXTINGUISH will come when Win32 api itself will be put to rest (i.e.: never)

[–]Guest522 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm waiting for the day when MS Office comes out on UWP.

[–]JustRefleX -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

I doubt Steam will allow UWP apps - They already had problems with EA's origin before so....

[–]OneCrazyRussianFX6350/8GB/R9 290 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Origin is a competitor store

UWP is an application api available to anyone on Win8/8.1/10, NOT a storefront

Windows Store is a storefront

And even considering UWP as something that can only be available in Ms Store - Steam sells uPlay keys no problem

[–]JustRefleX -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

UWP will have Windows 10 Store Integration my friend. It also is a competitor store.

Steam does not sell Keys they only sell uPlay Copies if that's the thing you meant. Nonetheless theres a huge difference between EA and Ubisoft.

And I am sure Steam will not allow the other store to takeover besides, I am pretty sure that the Steam Version will get some "mysterious" performance problems, late updates and a lot more.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

UWP is not the Windows Store. It's a framework. The Windows Store runs UWP apps. There is a distinction between the two that you seem to be willfully not making, since you've been told this twice now.

Your "huge difference between EA and Ubisoft", on the other hand, is indeed a distinction without a difference.

Also, Valve has no pull in this situation. I have no idea what you think they can "not allow". Microsoft will soldier on making Windows Store the best platform they can, and Valve will do the same with Steam. They aren't mutually exclusive and there's no sign that they will be. It wouldn't be good for either company.

[–]JustRefleX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

UWP is not the Windows Store. It's a framework. The Windows Store runs UWP apps.

It will have a connection with the Windows Store + Windows Store Account will be needed, and as you said the windows store runs UWP apps so it will be needed either way.

Microsoft will soldier on making Windows Store the best platform they can,

When was Microsoft actively trying to make things better for the User? By locking everything down? By releasing broken Games? By not patching stuff out?

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're moving the goalposts here.

Nobody said anything about the user, and if you think any company is championing the "User" over the "Bottom Line", you're playing fanboy favorites and you aren't grounded in reality. EA, Valve, Microsoft, they're all in it for the money. Even GOG has employees to pay at the end of the day.

[–]JustRefleX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know that companies are in it for the money. You sounded like you thought Microsoft would act good - which is basically the opposite of most companies.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aside from the illogical conclusion you've drawn, your premise is incorrect as well. EA pulled their games from Steam, it wasn't the other way around. Valve didn't kick Origin games off of Steam.

[–]JustRefleX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

EA never pulled their games from steam - Steam/Valve and Origin never came to an agreement that both sides accepted.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which, in turn, lead EA to pull their games from Steam. All publishers control whether or not their games remain on steam.

I don't understand how you're not understanding this. EA controls whether or not their games go on Steam. They wanted Valve to not take the cut they were taking, Valve declined, so EA decided not to continue making them available on Steam. (Driving customers to their own store may have been the intention, but if not, it was a perk.)

[–]JustRefleX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

EA still sells Games on Steam...they never pulled their non-Origin powered titles on it...

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The non-Origin titles are typically the ones so old it's not seen as profitable to upgrade them to support Origin. Every release for the last several years has been on Origin only.

[–]CSTutor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't buy it... If Microsoft does do this and is successful at it, I see another antitrust suit (IANAL) and I'm pretty sure Microsoft has been doing everything they can to avoid that situation since it happened the last time.

To play devil's advocate here on behalf of Microsoft, if Microsoft's platform actually does turn out to be good, developers use it, and customers largely choose to abandon Steam for the Microsoft Store, I can see Microsoft being able to keep that position but I seriously doubt Microsoft is going to actively attempt to destroy another platform.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's so many people here that think Microsoft is literally a bunch of people sitting in a tower twirling their mustaches thinking up new ways to piss off their customers.

Only children think that villains are so one-dimensional. Real life is full of shades of gray.

Nobody at Microsoft wants to go to jail, Microsoft's lawyers don't want to defend an antitrust lawsuit, and most folks working at big companies, believe it or not, are just like you and me and just want to put out the best product they can, or at the very least, keep their job and make a decent paycheck.

All these little tin-foil hat conspiracies always seem to be thought up by people who assign no motivation other than "MUAH-HA-HA-HA"-ing to the people they think are some kinds of evil genius. If they're truly an evil genius, they're going to come up with something much more clever than any kind of stupid, not-thought-all-the-way-through plan that would generate outrage, legal action, and kill customer growth and loyalty, which are currently the most important currencies in Silicon Valley.

So many folks in this subreddit seem to have never actually worked for any kind of company that doesn't issue a name tag and a polo shirt, because only folks so completely disconnected from how the corporate/enterprise world actually works would ever believe such silly conspiracies.

[–]MrrQuackersIntel 5820K-4.4Ghz, 32gbDDR4, FuryX, 1tbSSD, 1440p/144hzFreeSync 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's silly, this will just push people to an alternative. Hopefully manufactures will see this ahead of time and start putting out stable Linux drivers and support.

[–]thesirblondiehttp://steamcommunity.com/id/omfgblondie/ 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

There's a lot of linux support in these comments. Even if every game on steam adds linux support, I'm unlikely to switch to Linux.

[–]DrDoctor13i5 4590/GTX 970 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not trying to start an argument, I'm genuinely interested: Why? I've used Linux as my main OS since Win10's release and I love it. I have a secondary SSD with Windows 8 on it though to play games that don't work in Wine yet, though.

[–]thesirblondiehttp://steamcommunity.com/id/omfgblondie/ 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Practically everything I use on my computer other than Chrome (and Steam, I guess) doesn't have Linux versions (primarily the adobe suite, which is my job). It's also a familiarity thing. I know how to handle Windows, where to find certain settings, how to handle file permissions, etc.

[–]pieguy9000 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its in the mess labelled control panel, or at least it was until they turned it into a metro app.

[–]winzarteni5 6600k, GTX770OC, 16Gb Ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Windows 10 has the old school control panel back, thank god.

[–]winzarteni5 6600k, GTX770OC, 16Gb Ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because I know how the windows enviroment works. I know what to set when I reinstall it, I know where stuff is located in the control panel, where the services are, how to look on logs and debug problems. I know the hell that is called registry, what are and where to get redistributables. How stuff is managed on the hard drive, where are the users files, application data. How to find driver, how to install controllers....etc. I know all these things as the back of my hand.

Could I le-learn all of this on Linux? Yes, I could, but the problem is that I cannot be bothered to. I learned all of this over the course of more than 15 years, most of it when I was younger, I had the time and just messing with the OS was fun. Debuging and working out a problem was fun. Now? Not so much, debuging a problem, or figuring out how something works, is no longer fun for me, and I perceive it as time wasted.

[–]Carbhai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here, and I also prefer the syncing of messages and other notifications from phone to PC and also UWP, I have a Windows 10 Mobile device too so it helps(notification stuff can also be synced via Cortana for Android IIRC)

[–]pieguy9000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many people are sceptical, however isnt this Xbox one/Windows store cross compatibility Microsofts attempt at taking over PC gaming? You also have them buying up large franchises like Minecraft, baking ads for their games right inside the operating system, then you have the fact every UWP application has to be signed by Microsoft. How would any large studio not get into bed with Microsoft at this point?

[–]Mr_Affluenza[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Surely he's got a tin foil hat on when writing that piece.

[–]Jman100ishi5-5200U | Intel HD Graphics 5500 | 8GB DDR3 RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like tinfoil suit.

[–]Morenomdz 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because pc game is all about steam now right? Maybe win10 forces steam to get better, being the lone líder for to long is not good.

[–]Carbhai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I personally don't hold steam to a higher pedestal than some people do. Their interface is skeumorphishly designed, eschewing modern day flat designs. Also I never got my refund in my card, and messaging their dismal support just gets me, "go to the bank" bs. I wish for credible rivals for digital gaming stores so that competition makes things better for people.

[–]FuNkSt3PJorbyPls - i5-6600k | R9 390 x2 Crossfire | 12 GB RAM -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about "forcing Steam to get better" Steam won't be able to get better because Microsoft owns the OS it runs on. I don't get how the majority of people really think M$ isn't capable of doing what they did to Netscape.

[–]not_dustinG3258 @ 4.0GHz | R7 265 | 1Gbps 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the side bar on PCGamer, "Hardware buying guides: The Best Gaming Router"

[–]Phenrix4770K@4.3, GTX 1070, 16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look out for those sneaky "manoeuvres".

[–]TheLastShiba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds like a great way to get me dual-booting steamos when normally I couldn't be arsed

[–]MidnaspetSplatoon is fun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

microsoft knows how to make money, and sabotaging their strongest market is not going to make them money. I wouldnt be worried.

[–]supernikio2i3-6100 | XFX R9 380X | 8GB DDR4 | 1 TB HDD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/linuxmasterrace

[–]dustojnikhummerWin 10,A10-4655m,8GB,Radeon 8670m/ Xeon E5450,HD 5450,4GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a game developer,but still... Does he know what is he talking about?

[–]ChesswiththeDevil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll move to Linux then I guess. The shit thing is that I've been a MS supporter for long time. Beta tested for the original Xbox, beta tested Windows phones, owned an ungodly amount of MS software personally and through my business, and supported other MS projects.

I can say without a doubt that the Windows Store is absolute garbage. Slow, unable to support power use, ugly, the list is endless. It's a dumspterfire of software and technology. It literally does nothing good. Force me off of Steam, GOG and yes, Origin and I'll jump ship for good.

[–]Skeletal738Arch | Windows 10 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love Sweeney, but he's honestly reaching RMS levels of hysteria here.

[–]webbannana⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/sweeneywasright

[–]godsvoidgodsvoid -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

RMS is not hysterical ... do you even linux?

[–]GnarlyPubesIntel G3258 | 8GB RAM | Intel HD Integrated Graphics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All hail the Linux Master Race

[–]whiteyjuiceSpecs/Imgur Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hopefully Linux is finally a viable gaming alternative by then.

[–]henmar22i7 4790K@NH-D15 | R390 Nitro | Define R5 | Seasonic Platinum -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

if he is right i think game developers would rather Change to Linux instead. ist an open Plattform and thats what most of them are looking for.

[–]linkinstreeti7 4960X - 16GB Corsair DDR3 - 128GB Intel SSD - GTX1070 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unlikely. Developers would sell where there are the most userbase. Hence why they developed for the consoles, where it's a closed platform. As long as Windows is the deFacto operating system out there for the PC, they won't be moving anytime soon

[–]JustRefleX -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I said this everybody was downvoting me, and now when Tim Sweeney said this, everybody upvotes it. SMH.

[–]NotYourBroBrah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plenty of us think you're both crazy.

[–]TiagoRocha89 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been saying the same thing for this past year. I really like Tim's opinions, because I also think M$ is a damn cancer, and should be put to rest. Companies need to support Linux. M$ can and will ruin steam if we let them, didn't we learn anything from games? Jesus, how can people be so naive?

[–]AnIdiotDoesGamingI like dis flair -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh hell nah

[–]LawlessCoffeh -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I said "FUCK signing into anything to download shit." , my windows 10 PC had the store uninstalled.

[–]dexvxi7-6700 | 16GB | 512GB Samsung 950Pro | Sapphire R9-280x 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So I take it you're app-less on your phone?

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He doesn't even have a phone. His carrier pigeon transcribed this message onto it's laptop.

[–]Seelengrab 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

No Steam for you? Or GOG? HumbleBundle, Origin, uPlay?

[–]LawlessCoffeh -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean a Microsoft account specifically.

[–]ZubatZubatZubat 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah. Yes. Only Microsoft.

Google, they're okay, though. They have way more data on you than Microsoft does anyways.

[–]LawlessCoffeh -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have a disposable "phone Google" either way it's less about privacy and more about thinking the MS store blows.

[–]NotYourBroBrah 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How would you even know? It requires a Microsoft Account to even sign in and browse it.

[–]LawlessCoffeh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it managed to, even while disabled, install some random apps I didn't approve.