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[–]MirthB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How about we keep this thing going until the end of the convention?! Nothing but love.

[–]Helpfuluser2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, after all this time that we have tried to use this sub usefully into diverting subscribers to different Progressive Subs only to have our accounts banned for "vulturing for other candidates", you're just going to delete the sub, wasting the potential 224k subscriber reach that you have and could use to support other progressives? Instead, you're going to split the sub by diverting us to r/political_revolution, a completely different sub that will have no where near the outreach of this sub.

Fucking stupid and short-sighted. Sorry, but it's the truth. What a waste

[–]TheCardiganKing [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Are you serious? On the eve of a potential leak? Please give it until the convention is over. This makes no sense.

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because the last few leaks have accomplished so much, right?

[–]Vermonty_PythonJon Snow[S] [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

If something changes in the next 24 hours, we will reevaluate. As of now, we see no reason to leave the community active, unless folks want to call Bernie a traitor some more.

[–]Axana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This subreddit has been an invaluable outlet for those of us who want updates on Bernie's convention delegates. Where are we supposed to go for information now?

[–]DonkeybutterNipple [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

closing this subreddit down only adds fuel to the fire that the entire Sanders progressive movement has been bought out at a leadership level. It costs 0 dollars to maintain this subreddit. There is no reason to close it unless you want to stifle discussion of Bernie and his ideas.

[–]kbbggBernie Squad - Private [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bernie is not a traitor, never has been never will be.

[–]writingtossMaester Aemon Targaryen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Traitor!

Oh, man, remember when you had to bite the bullet and put the TFA spoilers into Automod for us? Thanks.

[–]IamScuzzlebut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is no reason to stop now. Then just take 3 days of mods.

[–]yumiyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How dare you say this?

This is a community by the people for the people, if you wish to close this subreddit then why not just give it to a different team and be done with it?

People wish to express their opinions about the ongoing events we live to watch today and you just wish to take it away.

Terrible idea to close it, such foul play, I can't even understand what your intentions are, as you're not clear with this thread, but it only seems as if you were in a hurry to close it and forget.

[–]AFlyingNun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who cares if people call Bernie a traitor? I don't even agree with that, but people have a right to feel outraged, and I would think there's value in having a think enough skin that such statements don't bother you or dilude one's own opinion is an important "skill" to have.

Hell, I'm pretty sure most people - even those who think he's a traitor - would prefer seeing it simply be against the rules to speak poorly of him in such a hyperbolized fashion, rather than see the subreddit shut down.

[–]TheCardiganKing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please consider what I have to say if I can compel you: Give this sub one more day, just one more. We are all heartbroken. The realists in us know he will not win, but we need this sub active until the end of the convention. We need to know, in the short-term at least, what impact this has all had over the convention. I implore you to reconsider to leave it active for a few days. Many of us understand why Bernie made the decision he did. He has to not completely alienate himself from democrats amd he is holding Hillary's feet to the fire. Please, in the wake of all of this, leave this sub open until the end of The DNC. I have been working the DNC events and will be the entire week. I am seeing these bastards at their dinners and gatherings... My girlfriend and I shed tears at Bernie's speech tonight. Please, we need to know what impact, if any, the leaks will have.

[–]RooLoLMinnesota [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Disagree. I think this is a hub for Bernie supporters to talk amongst themselves for the rest of the election. Cuz i'm a Bernie 1st. Then undecided 2nd. But I'd still come here and hang with Bernie "supporters" even after deciding who i'm going to vote for because this is the stuff I believe in. Maybe I can't vote for Bernie but this sub fits my beliefs perfectly in a sense. And I think it does the same for others.

[–]Begna112 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think this should at least be delayed until after the vote. Bernie was still holding out some hope, imploring his followers to come to the role call tomorrow. Can we not do the same?

[–]Gardnerr12West Virginia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least wait until the role call vote is over with and the convention is done with.

[–]Octopotamus5000 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Are you mods fucking serious?

Supporters who understand Bernie's message have long-since left to fight for progressives in Congress, and only trolls and opponents remain.

WTF?

We've been here since day 1 and NOW you want to shut the entire place down on THE most important couple of days in the entire campaign? What the hell is wrong with you all?

[–]rb10_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're no true Bernie supporter, you're only making yourself look like a fool. True Bernie supporters are at the convention, therefore you're a troll, #ImWithHer.

I'm expecting our comments to be deleted. They claim they aren't part of the HRC campaign or CTR, yet I've seen them remove posts that are not troll posts. A friend of mine was banned because they voiced concerns and did not want to be silenced.

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

No Aidan, we have 225K people here. Most of them want progressive ideas. This is the vehicle for it. You can change names if you want. Before making this decision has it occurred to mods that they ask subscribes. If you are no longer interested, we will take over. This has to stay alive along with Political Revolution. It is up to you be part of it or not. We want you here. However, if you are done with campaigning for Berniecrats or want to go somewhere else, that is your decision. Clinton is not even elected and people want to crack down on open internet.

[–]FlyingRock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is true, it's incredibly hard to grow a sub and the political revolution sub has a high chance of never growing to this size, I'm not entirely sure what the answer is but simply closing this one down doesn't feel like the right one.

[–]IrrationalTsunamiTyrion Lannister [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

/r/political_revolution exists as our next step.

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It can exist for sure but this does not have to go out of existence. This is not a zero sum game. If mods want to move to political revolution sub. We will find new volunteers to be mods.

[–]Helpfuluser2 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What makes you think that sub will get anywhere near the subscribers as this one?

[–]breakTFoundation [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they should keep this one if they are smart

open it up for general political debate between all partys that would be nice

content here was always a bit extremly editorial

[–]IrrationalTsunamiTyrion Lannister [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We built this one from two people over years. We are prepared to do it again.

[–]writingtossMaester Aemon Targaryen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can change names if you want.

Actually, if we could, that'd be a different talk.

[–]FroggyF1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Breaking my heart. Closing down our best information streem.

[–]drexler57346 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All of you guys should meet back up at r/Political_Revolution, that sub should be trending for sure after this.

[–]One_Letter_Shor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thank you for leading a wonderful community. Thank you everyone for enriching my life and understanding of the world we live in. Keep up the good fight!

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is not closing. This is where everything starts

[–]drunkdude956 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This was the hub page for the movement. I don't think and of the spinoffs will ever get the subscribers this subreddit has. This is a huge mistake.

[–]Gardnerr12West Virginia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously. It's gonna be impossible for a new sub to get as many subscribers. If these guys are getting tired, let other people mod it. Change the rules and re-purpose the sub to help with getting berniecrats in office, and giving people the resources to pressure the government to follow Bernie's agenda more closely.

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is a mistake and we are not letting them close without asking subscribes,

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean what good is a page dedicated to one old socialist jews presidential run from 2016 going to be for 2018 and 2020?

shouldn't those places have more timely subs?

[–]firewontquellMassachusetts [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

wtf. why can't it stay open as a discussion platform? this is ridiculous

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Because letting it turn into a bitter forum like the ron paul reddit is... not appealing given the history of the sub and what its done?

[–]firewontquellMassachusetts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I might be able to understand that after the convention. But the convention has barely begun

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bernie has endorsed clinton, repeatedly. If there was going to be a delegate rebellion from the Clinton Camp or from the Supers we would have received word of it by now, so Clinton will be nominated with her delegate majority.

Delaying the inevitable for one more day really won't change much versus pushing people to other reddits like r/Political_Revolution where there is still work to be done, and all it would be is one more day of bitter posts and people throwing shade at Bernie, we need to move on and look at getting progressives in in 2016, 2018 and 2020 even if a true progressive isn't going to be entering the white house.

[–]FlyingRock [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Agreed. Furthermore the roll call hasn't even happened yet.. Yes Bernie will lose but we've known this for months now.

[–]hobothehut [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Apparently they are going to roll call over breakfast and announce results on the floor. Roll call over rolls, as it were.

[–]Elliottc88Indiana - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just spoke with a friend who's there as a delegate. She says this is not the case, roll call has not been moved.

[–]Miguel2592 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What platform? people calling Sanders Sellout? Many people here are being ridiculous and this subreddit is just Trump supporters insulting Bernie.

[–]jonnyredshortsVermont - Bernie Squad - Lance Corporal [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Why can’t we still want Sanders for President in 2020? This sub should stay open.

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Because Sanders won't be running in 2020

[–]kbbggBernie Squad - Private [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you. Hugs to all especially everyone who was here in the beginning. Let's remember this sub when it was it its full glory. Let's be proud. We did great work. I'll be seeing you. In solidarity forever!

[–]BrazenBribery [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's been an honor to be amongst you fine people.

We fought like mad for the best candidate to be President.

We just didn't deserve him.

[–]LtCdrDataSpockPennsylvania [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You fucking neoliberal cowards

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mods can leave if they want. We have many good people to take over. It is not about Sanders, this has to live. Change names if you want

[–]writingtossMaester Aemon Targaryen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, yeah, that's the stuff. That's what gives me the energy. Wild accusations and conspiracies.

[–]leDeadHorse [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You might be done, but the vast majority of us aren't

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

shit did you not actually read any of what vermonty typed because he addressed all those fucking points in the OP

[–]IrrationalTsunamiTyrion Lannister [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We are not telling you to be done.

We aren't even saying we are. Just that Sanders for President is.

[–]jsbship [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for everything guys. I mean it. We accomplished great things and you deserve a lot of thanks for moderating and keeping it as civil as possible here

[–]Jiubro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm sure Bernie can still win, here's how:

[–]shakeandbake13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On the eve of a potential leak? I see Hillary has taken over all of Bernie's online infrastructure, both on here and on twitter.

[–]musingsofaninnocentCanada/Washington - Private First Class[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your efforts. They were not in vain.

So many good things will come out of your passion. Understand why you had to go, the writing was on the wall months ago.

Wish you godspeed and all the best. If I can ever shore any of you up, PM me. I mean it.

Looking forward to tomorrow!

FeelTheBern

[–]__--__Frogger__--__ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Really should wait till everything is over.

[–]writingtossMaester Aemon Targaryen[M] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Alright.

Some of y'all know me. Some of y'all don't. That's fine.

For over a year now, I have had a hand in the operations of this here subreddit, and let me tell you, it has been a thrill. Never did I expect to get so many conspiracies invented about me, what with imageboards trying to doxx me to the time the admins had to step in over because of all the witch-hunting and death threats I was getting from other subreddits to the 'psy-ops training guide' I was sending out. Heck, at one point, an interview I gave was even referenced in an HRC e-mail as a 'oooh, be scared of Bernie's fundraising pls give us money' thing. And I've grinned, and I've bore it, and now here we are.

My God, has it been that long? Things have certainly changed around here. I remember when this was all farmland as far as the eye could see! Old man /u/IrrationalTsunami owned all of this! He had this crazy idea about electing Bernie Sanders.

Here we are, at the end of the line. Edge of tomorrow. A subreddit on the edge of forever.

And I, like the great Slurms McKenzie before me, am so tired of partying.

Much of it was a blast. I wouldn't have traded it for anything. I've met so many wonderful people here (some even in real life, where, yes, /u/Vermonty_Python, I'm also an activist!), and we've done so many wonderful things. Shout-outs especially to Jason and Puja, the ones most likely to see this, and to Hank and Alex (the original Alex), who probably won't.

That's not to say it was not without tribulations, often...difficult and hard to navigate, but...we mostly made it through. Mostly. We tried as best we could to listen to the community while protecting the integrity of the sub. We tried in earnest. It was a labor of love for all of us. (Shout-out here to my mother, God rest her soul, without whom I wouldn't have ever started down this path.)

I hope to see many of you stay involved, grow as organizers, and be the revolution Bernie knows you can be. When I reflect on so many of the users from the long ago who have already started on their journeys, I am overcome with emotions: pride, joy, sadness...but the strongest of these is hope. A little orphan girl once told me that the sun would come out tomorrow, and I think she may have been right.

Let us be lovers once more.

[–]FallzIsLife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You folks did all you could while it mattered, that's what counts. Thank you for sinking countless hours into the Sanders campaign, and thank all you mods for giving us an discussion platform for all things Bernie.

Best wishes.

[–]IrrationalTsunamiTyrion Lannister [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Points to the distance. "And that is where we spent the first winter. Huddled together for warmth and upvotes."

[–]IamScuzzlebut [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please just a couple more days!!!

[–]Ein-SchattenmannNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If the last day has been any indication, we need to close the sub sooner than later, itll just turn what was once a good sub into a giant shitshow where Bernie is insulted and the trolls dance on the embers.

[–]Dirtybrd [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's a shame this sub has turned into such a shit show. It used to be a genuinely nice sub.

[–]fbarfins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Jesus Christ, why do this NOW? This better be a joke

[–]writingtossMaester Aemon Targaryen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, we don't make jokes anymore after people got so mad at us after April Fools Day.

[–]breakTFoundation [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The party leadership must also always remain impartial in the presidential nominating process, something which did not occur in the 2016 race.

https://archive.is/GeDgO

[–]IrrationalTsunamiTyrion Lannister [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Agreed.

[–]breakTFoundation [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a bloody foreigner from socialist germany and a Trump troll but was always 1st for Bernie.

However now I can only recommend to take a rational look at this guys policys and not the media spin.

I would love to openly discuss this on a more indepth intelelctual level with a die hard bernie sanders supporter but never had the opportunity.

I never found a place where I could do that :(

It is a pitty that you close this place.

[–]sharpiedarp2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you just turn the Bernie channel off? Please tell me this is to get rid of trolls or something and youre kidding.. is this real life? lol Twilight Zone music. If you do thats, well just stupid. Excuse my language but, yes stupid.

[–]bolbteppa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS - THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF BERNIE'S CAMPAIGN TO THROW AWAY ALL THE PROGRESS AND GAINS

[–]Gummalillan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bye then.

Oh, and NEVER EVER HILLARY.

[–]Bohemian27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We are not closing. Come back to progressive party!

[–]spankabajanka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh no here comes the reddit apocolypse...

[–]Aheadz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks its been surreal watching events unfold and feeling the bern from thousands of kilometres(miles in your case) away in Australia. I really thought america would vote Bernie Sanders.

[–]Dr_PK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is even sadder than watching Bernie tonight! :(

[–]uswhole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Guys don't forget there is more elections than that of the presidential election. You need to vote in Every Single Type of Election possible. (just like you grandma) This is how you change the system little by little. Go vote for the senator, Congressmen, Governor, State senator, State congresspeople, Mayor, city counsel, and party representative that is closet to Sander's ideal. Don't let this election to distract you for other elections. Bernie Sanders was a mayor, and a Senator.

Nobody start out big (except Hillary and Trump :/ ) it time to plant seed. when the progressive candidate elected, you lots would be the ones jump start their career to greatness.

[–]DelsanaMichigan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I believe I was just called a troll because I didn't leave earlier...

[–]tupacalypse7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just a note: You're doing this BEFORE the roll-call vote, and after Sanders himself said REPEATEDLY the DNC convention will be a "contested contest" - at least let the forum run, you don't have to lift a finger. And you do little to quell consipiracy theories by shutting down the forum SMACK DAB in the middle of the most important time.

[–]macattack900 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

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[–]Fisbian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It should be up until the convention ends at least

[–]andyrowe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it should stay up but it turns out I don't always get what I want.

Thank you for being there at the end. Network and organize. Keep this fire kindled somewhere. I'm on twitter @andyrowe

Stay free out there.

[–]terik99 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, there goes that. Can't say the ride wasn't fun.

[–]bobguy123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not waiting till after the convention is fucked and disrespectful to your subscribers.

[–]bolbteppa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why don't you just cut the overzealous modding out and let people post whatever they want on their own, this is literally a slap in the face of everything the past year has been about :\

[–]Agnos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least you should wait for the convention to nominate Clinton. Some of us have respected the rules that this is the sub for Sanders for president and not campaigned for someone else. Do not give up until the crooked lady sings please.

[–]TheNxtDaveGrohlOhio [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bernie gave us the blueprint. Really wish the sub would stay open to help people along with voting for who is closest to the ideals of Bernie, but if the mods wish it, so be it.

[–]Miguel2592 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I dont want this sub gone but I think we should start tracking down Trump supporter. I love Bernie and this community, to an extent, maybe get some new rules and we could use this subreddit to keep on the fight?

[–]columbo222 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A few comments...

  1. I totally support and agree with your decision. This sub is being taken over by Trump trolls, I can only imagine how hard it is to moderate, and it doesn't help anyone. Thank you for all the amazing work.

  2. You should be very proud of everything you accomplished. A guy who was a complete unknown a year ago won 45% of the vote. His campaign was so successful that he had the leverage to shape his opponent's platform more than any losing candidate that I can remember. That victory is real, don't let anyone deny it.

  3. Let's keep up the good fight, not in this sub but everywhere! Vote in primaries, vote for progressive candidates, don't settle for what we're told are the only options. We know better now.

It's been a wild ride, and it's only getting started!

[–]Maybewhocansay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't do it. Wait until after the emails. I just have this feeling Clinton won't be the nominee.

[–]TeaP0tty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What the fuck is wrong with you mods? Leave if you want, but nobody made you bosses of this revolution.

[–]nerdstore [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not a US Citizen but I really loved the Sander's campaign and his message. This sub was one of my favorites. Loved the energy of Sander's supporters. It is a shame how things result. I understand you closing the sub. Reading comments from recent threads it is obvious that it has been taken by the same trolls from the donald. Best wishes to all of you.

[–]olivicmicBernie Squad - Sergeant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would say it should at least be open throughout the week. Bad move.

[–]independents [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

HOLY FUCK. You are actually the worst. Unbelievable.

[–]nineTripConnecticut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Big fucking mistake IMO... We should still be avke to have discussions here, given it's 200k subscribers

[–]MrFactualReality [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just had to log in to post how bullshit this move is. At least leave it up till after the convention is over to allow people to finish their networking. What about delegates in Philly who have been using this sub as their news and information source? What about the people who rely on the sub for information from like minded people? What about the fucking incoming leaks and the convention drama? What about the community of connections you are destroying? How does destroying that community now help?

Just leave it up and let it fade away with time like all good things in life.