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[–]rBeowulfCore i5 760 + GTX960 + 6GB RAM 1086ポイント1087ポイント  (79子コメント)

85% of the PCs, counting from 1970's is very correct in my point of view...

[–]Bosses_Boss4.6GHz 5820k, 2GHz 1070, 1440p144Hz | E5-2630L v3, 980Ti for F@H 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, touche. Context is everything isn't it.

Still, WTF?

[–]logged_n_2_sayi5 3470,8gb, 7970 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a cherry picked PR stat. every company does this.

intel, amd, nvidia: are also some of the worst offenders.

[–]tashbarg 190ポイント191ポイント  (55子コメント)

The i5-760 from your flair has a much lower single-core Geekbench score than the iPad Pro. It has 4 of them, though, while the iPad only has 2.

I'd say you need to go way closer to today to make that a 85%. It's really scary.

[–]blaz1120i5-4690K @4.5Ghz | HIS R9 280X 239ポイント240ポイント  (48子コメント)

Geekbench is a garbage of a benchmark which highly favours Apple.

[–]rBeowulfCore i5 760 + GTX960 + 6GB RAM 76ポイント77ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't respect geekbench anymore anyways... lol

I want to see that ipad loads a 3D Studio render, or a SolidWorks thing... then we speak...

[–]zazazamzamalek 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

SolidWorks

Oh boy. I remember that on my Pentium 1. It is the best accidental physics game around.

[–]R009kExtraCrunchy 20ポイント21ポイント  (27子コメント)

In what way? I'd love to see an article as most cpu benchmarks put apple in the lead when it comes to single threaded perf.

[–]FantsE 25ポイント26ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's hard to benchmark apple v. normal. Apple, and programs that run on Apple products, can be optimized to, say, 5 sets of hardware, and one OS.

If I write a program for Windows, I have to worry about all AMD + Intel CPUs, Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, and a ton of hardware combinations. I can't optimize much, because optimizing one way might destroy compatibility on another.

The same is said for Android phone hardware. I have to code for hundreds of devices. A program for iOS has significantly less hardware worries.

For Apple, though, I have to code for OS X or iOS. There's changes between the updates, but never major changes. If it works on the latest version, it'll work on most older versions. I also know that the hardware is consistent. So I can optimize my program to run incredibly efficiently on Apple hardware, making it look like Apple's hardware is far more powerful than it is, when, in reality, it's not better than any other hardware, it's just able to be optimized for.

If I was to write a program and say "this program can only run on Windows 10, on an i5 6600 or an i7 6700," then I could probably make that i5 look pretty incredible. But that's not the reality. That's why it's stupid to benchmark Apple v. non-apple. It's trying to benchmark a runner vs. a swimmer.

[–]Blahblahblahblahblac 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That said, ARM and x86 is hard to compare.

Even in the earlier days of AMD vs Intel intel figured out if you use some specialized instruction sets patent them and taylor programs to fit them you'd blow the competition out of the water. It use to be fairly generic raw transistor power battling it out but with power consumption being front and center in todays market the sophistication between chips makes it truly difficult to stack them side by side.

[–]FantsE 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

The A9X processor of an iPad Pro uses an x86 instruction set.

JK no it's not.

[–]jangxxi7-3770 - GTX980 Ti - 16GB - Linux Mint 17/Win 10 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

But in the end performance is all that matters. If optimized apps run better on Apple hardware that on those of other manufacturers, going with Apple devices would be favorable, would it not?

[–]FantsE 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

It depends on what you're doing, like everything.

If all I do on my computer is two apps that work better on iOS than on Android, sure, buy an iOS device if it's worth the money.

I like to run emulators and use my phone for IT stuff at work, so I buy an android.

If you use your laptop for web browsing and productivity tasks, and have the money, than I'll recommend a mac book every time. They have less problems for a normal consumer, and the support is awesome. The battery will almost always last longer because of those apps being able to optimize and use less power. It's part of the price tag.

If you do more than that and want a lot of choices for programs, freeware, etc., then buy a PC.

Apple isn't superior to Windows, and vice versa. You assess your wants and needs, money you can spend and purchase the better product.

[–]xyameaxA10-7700K @ 4GHz | MSI R9 380 | MSI A88H-ME3 V2 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really well said.

What people do here is game and other high resource applications that a Windows/Linux is needed for. That is where the PCMasterRace Circlejerk look at here. We are all PCs, just with a different skin. We can put Windows on a Mac, and create a Hackintosh on PC. All can do Linux and voila.

What isn't a form of PC are iOS devices. They are a definite more locked down system that even if you were to jailbreak, still wouldn't offer the flexibility and finesse of an Actual Computer.

Saying 85% of computers is easy since there are still thousands if not more computers running XP. All of us here have a machine that we don't just love and take care, but upgrade to newer (ish) parts as time progresses without needing to get a whole new device.

We are PCMASTERRACE and although not all PCs are the same, we are all together as one.

[–]taigahallai7-4790k (OC@4.5) | EVGA GTX 970 SSC | 24 GB 1833 MHZ CL9 RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actual Computer

lol

[–]hey01i7 4790k | Asus GTX 770 | 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are a definite more locked down system that even if you were to jailbreak

I don't know the state of jailbreak now, but my jailbroken ipod touch 2 was actually able to do stuff. It had a linux like environment with aptitude through cydia. Still nowhere near android, but somewhat ok.

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    [–]solidzeeSpecs/Imgur Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So just like a console?

    [–]slapdaba55mmcnciol 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I don't think its a good comparison to compare the speed of the hardware when looking at PC vs iPad. An iPad's has a RISC processor, which stands for Reduced Instruction Set Computing. For comparison sake, we'll represent an iPad as a go-kart. A computer uses a CISC (complete) processor. We'll represent the average PC as a Prius car.

    When comparing the two, a go-kart looks fastest on a track specifically designed for it. If you try to drive a Prius on a go-kart track, it would still "work" but it may appear slower because the track isn't specifically designed for it. Relatively speaking, a go kart is going to struggle on a city road or highway, which is where a car is designed to be driven. This difference is compounded when you look at how many tasks/passengers can be carried at once, the more seats on the vehicle, the more passengers it can carry at once.

    This is why your iPad looks fast when running apps designed specifically for it. It has code that is optimised for its system. Many PC programs simply wouldn't run efficiently on an iPad if the code was ported, even if as many optimizations were done as possible. RISC processors simply aren't designed for certain tasks.

    [–]greenblue10 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    what? I'm not sure if you understand what your talking about.

    [–]chapstickbomber9590 / CF RX 480 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Most modern processors (with "modern" going back about 2 decades) translate CISC level instruction into internal microcode running much more like RISC. The CISC/RISC is now more about whether the translation from higher level to lower level occurs in hardware or in software.

    But an analogy of a car made up of 4 go-karts would be really confusing.

    [–]ZencydeZencyde 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    CISC>RISC conversion would be done before hand, I imagine. Trying to do it on the fly would add more overhead.

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        [–]tashbarg 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Really? Do you have some kind of reference for that?

        [–]blaz1120i5-4690K @4.5Ghz | HIS R9 280X 30ポイント31ポイント  (15子コメント)

        http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=136526&curpostid=136666

        Linus Torvalds himself said that.

        [–]tashbarg 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Thanks for that. That's a valid criticism. I don't agree 100% since I think that a lot of crypto is also part of everyday workload and shouldn't be excluded. But I see the point and think it is very valid.

        Luckily, every test in Geekbench is listed, so you can compare without crypto. According to them, the iPad Pro does bzip2 compression, jpeg decompression or even Dijkstra calculation about as fast as the i5-760.

        I was very surprised by that numbers. Especially considering the power consumption involved. Don't you think it's a hell of a CPU?

        [–]rBeowulfCore i5 760 + GTX960 + 6GB RAM 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Nobody said it was bad, just that the image is mileading and shit... also, beig as fast as an almost 7 years old cpu isn't a great merit per se...

        you see, there is better tablets out there...

        [–]reddit_is_gayest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't agree 100% since I think that a lot of crypto is also part of everyday workload and shouldn't be excluded.

        Nobody said it should be excluded. It is not an integer benchmark, so it should not be called one.

        [–]blaz1120i5-4690K @4.5Ghz | HIS R9 280X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think it's amazing how much power cpu manufacturers managed to put in such a small form factor with ultra low power consumption. Apple cpus certainly dominate the single core performance benchmarks compared to other mobile devices and old cpus. But some biased reviewers praise it over the top and even compare them to modern desktop cpus.

        [–]zazazamzamalek 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I think that a lot of crypto is also part of everyday workload and shouldn't be excluded.

        Not really. That's like saying that you need a GTX1080 to use Excel, just because it is technically graphical (of the GUI type). You most definitely do not need hardware cryptography in consumer-grade hardware, except TPM and maybe a symmetric cypher (e.g. AES) for disk encryption.

        Crypto is a rapidly evolving field. We were already at SHA3 a year ago, so as cryptography changes that irrelevant feature will become increasingly obsolete (and in cases like MD5, dangerous).

        [–]andoriyuDo I list all of them? 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Well, crypto is a part of everyday workload. Right now you're on reddit using TLS. Maybe you're using disk-encryption (hint: it's a standard in many companies). Linus likes to complain a lot.

        [–]RainmanNoodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I agree with some criticisms of Geekbench, but the reason I like it for general comparisons is one of the reasons Linus doesn't. Geekbench tests real algorithms. If a system has hardware crypto, then yes, it will do better in those and the score will reflect it. In that regard, Geekbench isn't necessarily a truly fair CPU benchmark, but a systemwide compute benchmark.

        [–]zazazamzamalek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        How many times a second do you initiate a TLS connection? I.e. Open a new tab.

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          [–]WaidWilsonGTX 1070 EVGA SC | GSYNC | 2X 1440p | 4690k | Too Much RGB 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          While I can hate on some Apple, they knocked it out of the park with the iPhone 6s' SoC.

          [–]akimbonautilusi7 4770k/GTX 980/16GB RAM/NVME M.2 SSD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And that's an i5 from 2009 that probably costs what, like $20 or $30 used? I know X58 mobos ain't cheap, but still.

          [–]csgraberSpecs/Imgur here 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          left off "in our office" since they have a bunch of 486dx266 and a new PC.

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              [–]LtLabcoati5-6600K, Zotac GTX1080 Amp Extreme, 4k monitor. Quite rich. 82ポイント83ポイント  (2子コメント)

              The fact itself likely isn't wrong, but using it as a reason to not be on PC is purely an excuse. It's more powerful than most PCs, but there's far more high-end PCs than Ipad Pros.

              Of course, the actual reason is "We just didn't want to put in the cost to have it on PC", but they wanted a PR-friendly excuse.

              [–]RyanGBakerhttp://pcpartpicker.com/list/zNCKBP 384ポイント385ポイント  (52子コメント)

              Actually, it's probably true. Most PC's right now are probably horribly outdated or cheap-ass Chromebooks.

              They're not just looking at the PC's we use, but the email machines and hand-me-downs as well.

              [–]Icemasta 85ポイント86ポイント  (18子コメント)

              And if you take PC in the broad sense of "Personal Computers" and include all computers(including macs) since the first computer, you could easily make the statement for 95% of all computers.

              I mean my cellphone has more processing power than the average computer from just a few years ago.

              [–]BatMannequinbpfoley89 - 4690k, Sapphire R9 380X, 16GB RAM 42ポイント43ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Some PCs from 2004 it had a 2Ghz Intel Celeron dual-core processor, 512MB of RAM, and no graphics card. They're still being used today in schools...

              [–]jama211 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yup, and the iPad pro would beat the hell out of it.

              [–]Narwhalbaconguyi5-3210m | Intel HD 4000 | 8gb RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              My school must be pretty great then. Each PC has an i5 (not sure what model, not bad though), and 4gb of ram, loaded with Windows 7.

              Why would any school computer need a GPU? The only thing they're used for is web surfing and typing essays.

              [–]SuperNinjaBotAMD FX8150 - 8 Gig DDR3 1866 - ATI 7970 - Sabertooth 990FX 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Definitely not the majority of schools though. Even the poor schools in my broke ass city get tech grants.

              [–]Big_Booty_PicsPC Master Race 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Even with a $50k tech grant we just received last year, our student and teacher workstations are running core 2 duos and pentiums. $50k is not a lot when schools have to go through verified vendors.

              [–]KuroShiroTakaHP 110-210 (derp) 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Maybe I just got lucky with vocational school cus all the computers were using intel core processors (i3 for laptops, i5 for desktops, and i7 for teacher's laptops)

              [–]GenericNoobAthlon X4 860k, R9 380, 16GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              you are really, really lucky. All the desktops in my school run on Pentium 4s and 2GB of ram.

              [–]Thathappenedearlier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We just run everything on VMs here. Probably not bad but frustrating to deal with.

              [–]Big_Booty_PicsPC Master Race 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Schools with core processor are a dime a dozen, and the school that do have them are either all Mac or a select few are higher speced than most workstations. I only know of 2 schools in Central Ohio that are exclusively Mac

              [–]KuroShiroTakaHP 110-210 (derp) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah, over at Diamond, the digital arts kids get Macbook pros, the rest got Lenovo Thinkpads. The desktops were also Lenovo.

              [–]ad895780ti 4770k Mini ITX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Idk at my high school we had newer xeons in any machine that was in the tech wing. All the rest had either i3s or pentiums. So at least they put the money where it was needed.

              [–]zazazamzamalek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Except in developing countries, of course.

              [–]Dictorclef 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              At my school, we have core 2 duos and i5s

              [–]1that__guy1I5S2DX28/2800Mhz+GM17/1528Mhz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              99.9999℅ if you include all microprocessor based systems

              [–]pm_steam_keys_plzi5 6600K @3.5Ghz | Sapphire R9 390 | 16 GB RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              your cellphone is a better computer then what they send astronauts to the moon with for the first time.

              [–]piexil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              a ti-83 is better than that.

              [–]Wolfy21_Intel Pentium E6600 3.06GHz|2GB RAM|32 Bit|GT 210|1280x1024 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well , people still use pcs like mine, and that ipad is probably way better so yeah seems fair.

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                [–]Highside79 11ポイント12ポイント  (21子コメント)

                Not to mention all the business machines that are built to do nothing but run Excel and Word. That is a huge part of the desktop market (probably the majority really).

                [–]ghastrimsen 8ポイント9ポイント  (20子コメント)

                You act like excel in the business world is no big deal. I've seen reports take over half an hour on some fairly decent computers.

                [–]Highside79 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

                I have never seen a spreadsheet take that long to open even on the shitty old optiplex machines that we are using here.

                [–]keybagger 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                You'd be surprised. I had a project manager spend months building a spreadsheet to finally automate costing for our quotes (think $2 million average project), and it necessitated computer upgrades for half of the salespeople.

                [–]LaughsMuchTooLoudly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I've also got an i7 with 16 gigs of ram and a nice SSD...and a work spreadsheet that can often take 2-3 minutes to update. Excel can get pretty hefty when you're dealing with 50,000+ data points.

                [–]sleeplessone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I had to write a script once while working in help desk to open an excel file because the output from the system the guy was working with exceeded what the standard 32 bit Excel was capable of rendering on a single worksheet. The script basically took the data and split it into multiple worksheets.

                [–]ZeroSchool 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I'm running an i7 3820, SSD and 16GB of ram and I've had spreadsheets crash on multiple occasions. Excel isn't just static data.

                [–]DLLaxe 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                85% of PC's currently used are worth below 100$

                Cheapest used Ipad pro i can see costs 700 euros

                [–]doubleyoustewi5 4570 | ASUS 670 Mini | 8 GB RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes but the target audience for the iPad pro would be 100% compared to the 15% pcs would have. And 100 > 15, we all know that! /s

                [–]Emperor_of_Catsi5 4690k 3.5 GHz, GTX 970, 8GB RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Yeah, I'm currently looking at my dad's computer.

                It's a Gateway that has a Pentium E2160 running at 1.8 GHz and 2 GB of RAM. Oh, it's also running Vista.

                [–]jediminer543Slightly Less Derpy FX-8350 | GTX 660 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                https://xkcd.com/528/

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                [–]Emperor_of_Catsi5 4690k 3.5 GHz, GTX 970, 8GB RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                And now that I'm back home for the summer, I'm in charge of fixing his computer when something happens.

                Here's what my optimal solution would be.

                [–]BCJunglist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Right but nobody looking to use specialized software like this is using legacy hardware like a 386 or something.

                Its really a moot point

                [–]Qaysedi3-6100, Asus R9-380 2GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Agree, but it's still a very stupid reason to develop an app only for iPad. Maybe there are other reasons and he/she thought this one sounds better.

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                  [–]ec_joe 113ポイント114ポイント  (21子コメント)

                  It's probably true, hell, I bet most phones are more powerful that the majority of shitty laptops that people still own... Think about all the really really old PCs that the 3rd world will use too.

                  [–]DrunkenFrenchmanFor The Emperor! | GTX 280, i7 920, 6GB Ram 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  A Samsung S7 is more powerful than an old iMac, I think.

                  [–]jetzido 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  It has the same amount off ram as most modern imacs i know that.

                  [–]8lbIceBag 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The A9X processor they use in the iPad/iPhone is actually not too far behind the Skylake Core M5 and is ahead of the Skylake M3 series. These are the mobile equivalents of the Core i5 and i3.

                  http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/AnandTech-Data1.png

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                    [–]wickedplayer494http://steamcommunity.com/id/wickedplayer494/ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm guessing you're referring to the Exynos 8 variants, AKA the only variant that ever should have existed?

                    [–]QWiekePC Master Race 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's probably true, hell, I bet most phones are more powerful that the majority of shitty laptops that people still own...

                    What about all the shitty phones people still own?

                    [–]Aethyr314 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    At University I had a lecturer who worked with NASA and was one of the team that worked on sending the Chandra X-Ray Observatory into space.

                    He stated that there was more combined computing power available in everyone's pockets than what was available when they were doing the calculations and simulations for Chandra.

                    This was in 2008/09.

                    [–]tashbarg -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    The iPad Pro has a single-core Geekbench score of 3208. That's pretty close to a i7-4770@3.4Ghz with 3481. Frankly, that's just scary. Even the multi-core score is impressive for only two cores with no HT. And this at probably a tenth of the power consumption.

                    [–]Aeons14 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Apple got their efficiency game fucking square

                    [–]throwthisawayaccMSi GE62 / i7-6700hq / GTX960m 2GB / 16 GB / 128 GB SSD 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Keep in mind that this is ARM (IIRC) compared against x86, which is less efficient in both power and instruction sets. ARM has much fewer instructions per clock cycle so x86 cpus are still extremely powerful, just not as efficient for a mobile device.

                    [–]londitei7 3630/GT650M 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Dude, you have linked the same Greek bench score in at least 4 different comments. We get your point.

                    Edit: damn autocorrect.

                    [–]HubbaMaBubbai7-3820@4.625GHz - GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Ah, but an i7 doesn't really offer better single core performance over a Pentium even.

                    [–]ZappySnapi5 2500K @ 4.2GHz, RX480, 16GB RAM -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    An iPhone 6S has the same Geekbench score as my mobile i5 Ultrabook (1 year old). It's kind of insane.

                    [–]tashbarg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The iPad Pro has about the same single-core performance as your i5-2500K (without overclocking). That is all kinds of insane.

                    [–]iCrushDreamsi7-4790k || GTX 760 || 12GB RAM 83ポイント84ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Actually when you think about it the iPad Pro is really power efficient and the A9X is more powerful than your standard shitty Celeron or Pentium that you find in most cheap consumer PCs/laptops.

                    The problem with the A9X is that it's ARM and not x86 so mainstream support for demanding apps isn't quite there.

                    [–]ossi609Asus 750 ti 2GB OC, i7 4790, 16GB ram 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yea, it's probably true that the iPad Pro is more powerful then 85% of PC's, as most PC's in the world are office machines that can only run office and a browser. I'm sure it's also more efficient then desktop PC's, as it needs to run on a battery. That still doesn't mean it's anywhere near suited for CAD work of course.

                    [–]JohnHue980Ti | i5-4670K | 8Go / NUC&Phone for couch&travel streaming 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And they're demoing a CAD software running locally, when OnShape runs a cloud-based CAD app infinitely more powerful (source : been a professional CAD user for 10+ years) than this toy, plus it runs on anything that has a browser.

                    [–]inkrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You need to look into what actually makes a Celeron a Celeron these days.

                    Celerons got their reputation for being shitty because one of the first, and most widely known, Celerons was a CPU without any cache. That, admittedly, made it shitty.

                    Currently? Celerons are down-binned processors of current generations. My Chromebook (shut up) has a Sandy Bridge based dualcore Celeron. A cut down i3. It is NOT a shitty processor. For single threaded tasks, it was comparable to my desktop at the time. I still preferred to use for day to day things over booting up the desktop and getting stuff started on there.

                    Yeah, a "cheap consumer PC/laptop" isn't going to be comparable to a i7 unlocked CPU... but they're far from being shitty these days. The amount of processing power we have at the low end is pretty astounding when you consider x86 processors. I replaced my Chromebook with a "Cloudbook" (low storage netbook, basically) that has a Quadcore BayTrail based Atom CPU in it. It's actually slower at single threaded tasks than the Celeron I replaced it with but the whole thing is still snappy and responsive enough for everything I do with it. Including keeping 40+ tabs open across 5 browsers and streaming HD video from Netflix. It was just really nice to be able to use a completely fanless laptop, no moving parts at all.

                    [–]KrakenUnchainedPC coming soon... 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Username checks out

                    [–]HubbaMaBubbai7-3820@4.625GHz - GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    No way it's better than a G3258 or G4400.

                    [–]iCrushDreamsi7-4790k || GTX 760 || 12GB RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Not overclocked, but it stands a chance against it at stock speeds.

                    You can't really compare them objectively since one is ARM and one is x86, but roughly the A9X is not far off.

                    [–]anlumoXeon 8x3GHz, 64GB RAM, R9 Fury X 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    The problem with the A9X is that it's ARM and not x86 so mainstream support for demanding apps isn't quite there.

                    That's not really an argument for software developers.

                    [–]iCrushDreamsi7-4790k || GTX 760 || 12GB RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I was speaking from the perspective of a consumer.

                    Of course a software developer, if they're targeting a specific audience, might find the iPad Pro to be a good platform and there's an argument to be made there for the iPad Pro.

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                      [–]Ikeepforgetmypasswor 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      At lot more people have shitty pcs than you think

                      [–]AuroraHalseyi7 4770k 3.50GHz - GTX 980 Ti - 16GB RAM - 232GB SSD - 2TB HDD 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Probably true.

                      My phone has more processing power than my 4 year old laptop.

                      The majority of computers out there (just look at the hundreds of XP machines you find in offices) are far weaker than modern mobile devices.

                      [–]FlyingHazards 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      This is what hurts. You buy a top of the line laptop for nearly $1,000 and then after only a few years the computer you're using is obsolete and cannot keep up with the constant evolution of technology.

                      [–]AuroraHalseyi7 4770k 3.50GHz - GTX 980 Ti - 16GB RAM - 232GB SSD - 2TB HDD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I dislike buying laptops, since they become obsolete so quickly, cannot be easily upgraded, and are expensive for their capabilities.

                      I can't bring my desktop with my when travelling though, so I have little choice.

                      [–]FlyingHazards 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yeah. I currently have a notebook that I use as a desktop and it's the worst. Great for classes, simple excel calculations, and SQL queries, but awful for handling any games, large databases, etc...

                      [–]DiamondEeveemy roblox avatar duct taped to inpour's furry stash 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      probably true.

                      But can your iPad Pro run Crysis-

                      nevermind it probably could.

                      [–]TwOne97i3-6100 | GTX 750 Ti | 8GB DDR4 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      They'd need to make an ARM build of Crysis first..

                      [–]ifonefoxMacBook Pro: OSX 10.11.4 & Windows 7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And modify the engine to use OpenGL or Metal instead of DirectX.

                      [–]CandleJakkzi5 6500, R9 380x 4GB, 2x4GB DDR4-2400 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I'm also shocked, but the amount of decade old PCs I see running Windows XP in corporations is mildly disturbing...

                      [–]cjandstuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      TV Station here. Most PC's here are on XP, and one still runs Windows 95. The video editing machines are a bit more high end however.

                      [–]ikilledtupac 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      My GPU has more RAM than my ipad Pro

                      [–]maledictt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Having been in the military and to 3rd world countries if you are counting worldwide this may be an accurate statistic.

                      There are military systems right now running UltraSPARC II processors.

                      [–]pedroaguero2000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      "As it's more efficient and powerful than 85% of PC's."

                      Let me leave this here...

                      [–]lkuecrar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's almost like not every computer has a top-tier i7 with a GTX1080 and 16gb of RAM. This isn't far fetched at all.

                      [–]Alyxandar<insert funny thing here> 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Given how many old shitty pc's are still around, especially in business, it's probably not completely wrong.

                      [–]Kethan_Gtx 960, 8gb Ram, Amd fx-8310, Crucial 240GB SSD 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well it's on the internet which means it is true.

                      [–]Bacongi5 6600k @ 4.4ghz, 970, 16gb, Corsair Strafe, razer dethadder 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Speechless about what? the iPad Pro is a fucking monster.

                      [–]morriscey2700k @ 4.9 GHZ, 290x at 1174 mhz. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Not compared to any competent, video, graphic design or CAD workstation - which is the target for this app. The 85% statement is so broad it is meaningless.

                      [–]jessestephens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It should be compared against a modern competitor, not against every "pc" in the wild. Many of those pc's were never intended to run CAD software.

                      It's misleading marketing that is directly intended to deceive people.

                      [–]ChillyPhilly27i7 4790K | GTX970 | 8GB RAM 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      He's probably not wrong tbh. Something that this subreddit often forgets is that an i5/i7 processor and a GTX graphics card is at the top end of consumer grade hardware. The vast majority of the computers out there would be workstations and facebook machines, running crappy pentiums with integrated graphics.

                      [–]neptoess 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Workstations don't run Pentium. They're more likely to run an i7 or a Xeon.

                      [–]HubbaMaBubbai7-3820@4.625GHz - GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Pentiums use the same cores as i5s, but only two of them. Since the iPad pro is also a dual core, I don't see how that argument can be made.

                      Why'd you snub Radeon cards?

                      [–]Winged__Hussar". . ." -Dr. Gordon Freeman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Most PC in use are Dell Optiplexes or some office box from the 2000's, that statement is probably true.

                      But for the price of an iPad pro... I would sooner get an alienware PC.

                      [–]5thhorseman_i3-4130, Z87-G43, GTX 970, 8GB RAM, MX100 128GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      So, it's a 3D modelling or CAD tool?

                      Yyyeahhh... these people never heard of Blender and AutoCAD , amirite?

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Let alone dedicated software for pc's such as pro/e and solidworks.

                      [–]greenblue10 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      ????

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They were toting this software that works on the iPad, faster than a large amount of computers, i responded to someone adding on better alternatives

                      [–]Wolfman8612GTX 960 / i5 @3.10 / 8GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I mean, this might be true, but people think that their Pro is a super computer or something. It's not. My PC can be built for cheaper than one of those and it would kill whatever app that is. Also, they're going to be outdated in like a year or so.

                      [–]wiebow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If they cannot program a simple drawing application like that and make it work efficiently on other systems then they don't deserve to be on other systems anyway. Lazy developers. I mean, PCs have been able to run these kind of applications for years ...

                      [–]happymaned 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      The question I have is this, is it more efficient and powerful than 85% of the PC's being sold today?

                      [–]C477um04 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's my thinking. They could twist it so that that means all PCs ever sold from when PC first became commercially available, not what's on the market and sold now.

                      [–]DarknessHeartzHP Elitebook 8570w +Samsung 840EVO-SSD 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I bet they counted all PC's ever made or something the like.

                      [–]kylkim 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      "--more efficient and powerful than 85% of PCS -- manufactured before 2006."

                      [–]frosenfury 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      so first you download the RAM and then you download this app and you have something better then a PC?

                      [–]Yoyodude1124http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bhFtGX 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      98% of statistics are made up on the spot

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Waaait a minute, i thought it was 97%?

                      [–]ReeceTNEi5-4690k - 16GB DDR3 - Watercooled R9 270X - NZXT S340 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      It's 99%

                      [–]IrradiatedOyster 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      No, it's 102%. Wikipedia said so.

                      [–]jayFurious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      All wrong. Its 50%. Eithers its made up, or its not.

                      [–]wvsfezter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Maybe, if we are including office pcs and pcs from people who don't care about power

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Ehh, my work pc with 32gb of ram, getting max scores on the performance ratings, running cad software says no. Children could make better models in an hour with this, than a pro using the ipad. That software would only be good to use as a concept/visualization of an idea out in the field, but never in a million years would it replace actual robust cad like Pro/E and Solidworks

                      Edit: ok yes, my work computer is above average, i guess i was more ripping on them claiming the software is good and powerful, while i could run way better software on my p.o.s. laptop 10 years ago

                      [–]nix123_99 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Wait theres actually people out there using Pro/E? Never seen it outside of school.

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I use it exclusively. Caterpillar and Polaris are 2 big companies i know that use it. Cat having its own custom built pro/e basically

                      [–]nix123_99 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Nice, pretty much everyone here in Austria seems to use AutoCAD.

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It really depends on your usage. My work is almost entirely large assemblies that we have to modify/add parts to fix problems, so heavy 3D and parametric modeling, something that if i remember correctly, AutoCAD isn't strong at. There are areas that AutoCAD wrecks Pro/E at though

                      [–]jetzido 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Your work PC has more ram then my gaming pc.

                      Wouldn't call it average.

                      [–]Mybugsbunny20AMD FX 8350, R9 270X 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Has more than mine too.. at my work, my pc is weak, as i don't do analysis

                      [–]Bunk_3Ri7-6700k, 8 GB Ram, GTX 980ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      maybe it is, well certainly it looks like

                      [–]jessestephens 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yes, and my Honda Fit gets better gas mileage than a 79' pinto.

                      [–]Crowzeri5 6600K | GTX 970 EXOC | 16 GB DDR4 | 850 Evo 500GB | NZXT S340 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      He may right, the majority of PC are not a gaming setup with mid/end CPU or GPU.

                      [–]ApocApolloAMD FX-8350, MSI R9 270, 8GB HyperX, Thermaltake Chaser MK-1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      People underestimate just how powerful new smartphones and tablets really are. Just like with the computers we build ourselves, there's a reason why smartphones cost upwards of five hundred dollars - And it's not just the Apple Tax.

                      [–]boredherobrine13i7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz | R9 Fury X | 8GB DDR4-2133 | Corsair H50i 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      We are the 25%!

                      [–]charliemcfSpecs/Imgur here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      haha what a reply :)

                      [–]aeramorSteam ID Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Those MATHS!

                      I'm also 110% PC

                      [–]billpikai5-4590, R9 390, MB Air, Wii U 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's probably actually true if you think about it.

                      [–]javitogomezzzzPhenom II 1090T | Sapphire R9 280x Dual-X | 8GB Kingston DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If you consider that the average of every PC currently active in the world then yeah, that's probably true.
                      Hell, I'd say that number is closer to 90-95% if you ask me.

                      [–]DirkEnglish760 4gb i7-4790K @ 4.0 ghz 16gb ram 1TB 7200rpm hdd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      maybe they meant it like "oh this app is so well optimized, it runs better than 85% of apps (we tested) from pc!" regardless that is kinda weird

                      [–]GTMoraesCore i5 4690k 4690MHz | GTX970 | steamcommunity.com/id/gtmoraes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Wow.

                      Now, where's the mouse?

                      [–]mrbosco9i7 3770 | SLI GTX 780 | 16GB | Steam: MrBosco9inches 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      What's their definition of "eifficiency"?

                      [–]ReeceTNEi5-4690k - 16GB DDR3 - Watercooled R9 270X - NZXT S340 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Screen size to MHz ratio

                      [–]noext5820k/r9 290 CF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      3200 single score,that cute <3, i was thinking that we all have 4000+ here

                      [–]cascer1i7-3770k | HD7970 | 16 GB DDR3-1600 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The iPad Pro is pretty sweet though.

                      [–]HubbaMaBubbai7-3820@4.625GHz - GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I mean, I wouldn't say no if someone were to give me one.

                      [–]cascer1i7-3770k | HD7970 | 16 GB DDR3-1600 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Exactly that indeed.

                      [–]heydudejustasecX58 still kickin' 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's arguably technically correct because of all the old and/or super underpowered PCs out there, but it's still stupid reasoning because that remaining 15% of PCs is probably still a larger userbase than the iPad Pro. Except that larger userbase has well established alternatives that this would have to compete with while iPad Pro is a fresh, unclaimed platform so they spin it as not wanting to be on PC by choice.

                      Dat marketing.

                      [–]lucicam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They know so well the people they are targeting...

                      [–]socokid1070 | 4790k | 2 x SSD RAID 0 | i.imgur.com/ayFQNnr.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Huge swaths of humanity use machines that are ancient in comparison so it would not surprise (don't care enough to confirm it).

                      However, the problem is that this couldn't possibly be a reason for non-development on other, modern platforms. So, what app is this, who developed it, and who made this claim, exactly?

                      [–]splityoassintwoi7 6700k/GTX Titan X Hybrid 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Not every consumer is part of PCMR, we do know this right? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that was true, some people still have shit PC's from the early 00's.

                      [–]nikoskio2i5 4690k @ 4.3Ghz | ASUS GTX 970 @ 1390 Mhz | 16GB RAM @ 2.0 Ghz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It might be true, but it's a useless statistic. iPad Pros came out in 2015 and cost $600. What percent of PCs built since 2015 costing $600 are "less efficient" than the iPad Pro?

                      [–]carpet111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I would say the 15 percent is made up of people who use their computer for slightly more than email. The rest are probably just like moms laptop from 2001

                      [–]EorlasEorlas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's probably not wrong, considering how many PCs were built before the iPad Pro existed, and how many are still running today. I cringe a bit when I go into gamestop's and see their ancient systems that could be easily dominated in performance by one of these here.

                      [–]Thirtyvirus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The sad part is its probably true, my High School still uses windows xp and Intel Pentiums. That doesn't justify the app not being on PC though, because there is still an enormous quantity of PCs capable of 3D rendering.

                      [–]TheZephyrim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      85% of the PCs the average idiot buys for their home PC buys sure. Anything with a Haswell refresh or later CPU will destroy an IPad though, plus most newer APUs. I'm impressed with how far Apple has come with their chips of course, but please stick to comparing yourself to other tablets and phones damnit.

                      [–]Lotete 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well that might me somewhat true, the 85% tho is a bit exaggerating, but you would be surprised about that amount of low-end pc users.

                      [–]MyPasswordIs_i7 870/r9 390,1600p, MODEL M 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I work help desk. I think I agree with that statement. I deal with straight up ancient trash on a daily basis. I saw a production computer running Windows NT 4.0 the other day. It wasn't connected to the network though. It exists solely because some of the plant equipment interfaces with ISA.

                      [–]pr3dato8Much Fast, So Power 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This is already buried but I made the same post one hour earlier and it got removed:

                      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4uhtz3/was_watching_a_video_about_a_cad_program_when/

                      [–]oneupthextramanoneupthextraman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Prepare your self...... for CUBE!!!!

                      [–]Mavrickbrinkhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/mavrickbrink/ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      8 5% of pcs. FTFY!

                      [–]donkeyponkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The statement might very well be true.

                      [–]kcan1Lord Canavan Of the West 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'll give them the efficiency since it's a mobile device so the performance per watt ratio would be much better than most computers. That being said an iPad beibg more powerful than 85% of computers is a bit of a stretch. I think they're looking at computers sold over a certain time period rather than actual active and used computers. Or they're simply looking at lineups from Dell, HP, and those guys and saying "Oh you have 20 computers that are cheap as shit but only 3 that are decently powerful? Ok we win."

                      [–]AlphaNERDSolid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I think the iPad Pro is impressive. What i miss are impressive games to harness this power. Or desktop ports (Fallout 3 might run well for example). Same for Android.

                      I don't like it when people start talking about a post-PC era, because there aren't many apps that even have the same functionality as their desktop counterparts. I don't even wanna talk about games. I guess if Steam integrates Android Apps (e.g. i buy GTA SA on PC, i can download the app on Android and continue) this could ease slowly gamers into a post-PC era.

                      As long as mobile apps of any type can compete with desktop applications on many levels, i don't see my gaming PC going anywhere soon.

                      [–]flomeistai5 6600K@4.3Ghz | R9 290 OC | 16GB DDR4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      all those raspberry pis

                      [–]ssenniug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well it does have dual GTX1080s SLI'd crossfired and joined together in there! thats why its biggerered

                      [–]AllPurposeNerd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Unless they mean of all PCs that were ever made.

                      [–]DreyfussFrost 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Actually... This is probably true. It doesn't say 85% of gamers' PCs, but 85% of ALL PCs, including the millions of ancient Dells running XP (some places still use DOS!) in outdated workplaces around the world.

                      [–]Kirito9704kirito9704 | Intel i7 5500U 2.4Ghz 8GB DDR3 RAM 1TB HDD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Fair point, but still misleading af for the average PC user (i.e. people outside PCMR)

                      [–]ciano 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I mean, who are they selling the app to? Because my money is on 85% of PC's out there being best buy bargain basement pieces of crap. If this app isn't designed for people smart enough to build their own PC, it kinda makes sense.

                      [–]Iron_Knickers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well what nobody realizes are that 85% of PC's are the crappy iMac 2011's being used in every school, so this app MUST be more powerful.

                      [–]unknownhero96 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      what is this? a screenshot from a ne theverge.com Video?

                      [–]MrPartyWaffleMrPartyWaffle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      "More efficient" that's not a hard claim..

                      "More powerful" Yeah you and everyone consoles right?

                      "85% of PCs" I'd love to see where they get these statistics.

                      [–]MrDuivendijk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They probably use shitty low-end laptops and chromebooks.

                      [–]Milliomei5 4690K @ 4.5GHz | EVGA GTX 980ti FTW | 16GB 2133GHz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's actually true. First of all the iPad Pro has a really strong hardware easily stronger than 85% of all computers that exist including office PCs, ATMs, Home PCs with old technologies, multimedia computers for non demanding users and etc.

                      [–]wickedplayer494http://steamcommunity.com/id/wickedplayer494/ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well, the A9(X) is one hell of a monster. That, and NVMe storage...yup, it's capable of putting up fights with desktops, which is about the only time where "desktop-class performance" is true!

                      That said, Surface Pro > iPad Pro, at least until the iPad Pro can either dual-boot OS X, or run OS X apps inside of a colored box.

                      [–]hamzta09i7 4790K 4,4 - 980 Ti Twin Frozr - 16GB Corsair 2400MHz - PG279Q 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Its not wrong tho. Like 90% of the global PCs out there are severely outdated.

                      [–]Dread1221 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      TONS and TONS of IOS/OSX exclusives spout this bullshit. Apple's fanboy programmers and customers are cancer.

                      Italics for emphasis. I'm not saying all programmers or users are cancer. Just this type.

                      [–]SilentDisi7-6700k, GTX 970, 32GB, 1TB SSD, 120GB SSD, 1TB HDD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      From personal experience (break/fix tech for a paid-for add-on service for a large ISP), this isn't far from the truth.

                      Most people have a dual core celeron at about 1.5ghz, 3-4 GB memory, integrated Intel graphics card. That's what I see on 99% of my calls, and I check for every call.

                      I'd take the iPad over those, simply because in a walled garden environment, these people couldn't make that much of a mess of things.

                      I've seen 5+ rows of toolbars in IE, and another 3 rows in Chrome, and about 7 'speed up' and 'anti-virus' programs all running at once.

                      [–]ShystemSocki5 4690K, 980ti SC+, KBP v60 Blues, Custom Sleeved Antec HVG 850 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I am the 15%

                      [–]Cow_In_Spacecowinspace -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Most PCs? Probably. Most professional workstations? Fuck no.

                      [–]Darkkalvidya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Honestly this is why we need to drop the term "PC" altogether if we aren't including EVERY personal computer (including anything apple)

                      The fact that people still use the term "PC" and "Mac" to differentiate between the two is the real problem here.

                      That aside, if I see someone justifying an application being on "Macs" only because they are more powerful than "PCs" then I probably wouldn't use the app anyway (and is likely that it wasn't targeted toward me in the first place)

                      [–]malacide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'm so glad I was on the toilet because I just shit myself from cringing so hard.

                      [–]wolfliehttp://pcpartpicker.com/p/7vzhVn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      gosh this hurts

                      [–]burner7711 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Surface book master race checking in.

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