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[brigaded]False accusations (self.againstmensrights)

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This is kind of a showerthought so please bear with me here. One of the MRA's talking points appears to be that false accusations of domestic violence or sexual assault are one of the ways in which they are routinely discriminated against by women. Not all of them agree with this, but it has been proposed time and time again that any woman who is proven to falsely claim sexual assault/DV should serve the sentence for which the accused would have been sentenced to if found guilty.

So my point is: On the flipside- if someone is accused of DV/sexual assault and is in fact guilty of said crime, but pleads not guilty, because they think they have a shot of being found not guilty due to lack of evidence- in the MRA's twisted world of justice, isn't that equivalent to a false claim? So what should be the punishment for an actual rapist/domestic violence perpetrator who falsely claims they are not guilty when they are? Should the punishment be more harsh than if they pled guilty?

This is just a ridiculous rabbit hole of nonsensical MRA thinking, sorry if I am not making actual sense, it just seems like one more hole in the swiss cheese of MRA philosophy to me.

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[–]feminista_throwawayDubbed by her oppressed husband "Castratrix" 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree - total swiss cheese from a normal perspective.

But Mister isn't normal. They'll just double down and say that no men lie, and therefore, anyone who says they didn't rape, just didn't do it. As long as they're a man, they're assumed to be telling the truth.

For example, Nicholas Alahverdian was one of their poster boys for false accusation for a while. He seems to have dropped off their radar, because once they wrote a few articles and declared him a "cause for action" they completely lost interest. They couldn't even be bothered with the "activism" of clicking three times for their cause.

But look at his case - as you'll see here under Factual Background, the name he was tried under was Rossi - his birth name (look unto the footnotes). Go to the original appeal, and what does he complain about? Bad advice from his lawyer caused him to lose the case - and what would his evidence be for him not being guilty? Him saying so.

Didn't stop Mister from trying to beat it up and get funds for it - and now for some reason, they just deleted their involvement in it - maybe they just couldn't be bothered to have another failure up on their site, or maybe it just didn't deliver as much cash as they hoped.

But if they discovered he was lying, and that's why they dropped him, you'd never hear about it. They'd rather delete and bury rather than damage their cause. And with almost every single prisoner/offender claiming they're innocent, this is a thing they can do forever.

[–]Tony_Snark__[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. I have never heard of that guy, thanks for the links-sounds like the sort of thing my post was intended for.

Really, there are innocent people in jail. I fully support The Innocence Project and there are many issues concerning the US justice system that deserve attention and reform. With that said- it's outrageous that these mra's take a legitimate issue and try to twist it into something it isn't in order to promote their agenda. I mean if they were really actually concerned with people falsely making statements, then why aren't they concerned with the overwhelming majority of guilty people who claim innocence? Thats a false statement. Lying about one's own guilt could potentially put an Innocence person in jail- isnt that their main point?

Why don't those false claims outrage them? They are so transparent any tiny bit of scrutiny trashes their agenda, and then they lament not being taken seriously. Well for fucks sake if they actually stood for real issues, which men actually do have, instead of posturing and making absolute fools of themselves by using made up statistics for so called systematic problems that don't even exist in reality- then they wouldn't be subject to ridicule by the rest of society. It's almost as if they don't actually give a rats ass about justice. /s: obviously they don't. They just want to be able to live in a world where no matter what they do they still get a privelege pass.

[–]feminista_throwawayDubbed by her oppressed husband "Castratrix" 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

About 6-8% of all prisoners are innocent - I'm on board with that.

But the thing is, that's across all crimes - not just rape. Rape serves them well because it gives them a way to convertly attack women. They couldn't give two shits if a guy is innocent of a robbery.

They don't even care much if they're helping out a man who has been hurt by other men. But if they can Cherche la femme with it, oh - the support they'll get!

Where's the support for all the boys abused by Catholic priests, or boys abused in ophanages or boys abused in many institutions. Well, who gives a shit if there's no woman to hate?

Archbishop George Pell has been making the news for not facing up to allegations he covered up/abused boys here in Australia. Men on both sides of the argument - you can choose to go for "men being abused, no one cares" or "men being falsely accused!" - whatever flavour of Mister you choose.

But it's a man v. man situation. There's no woman to blame. No woman to hate. It's an all male organisation. So there's not even one single mention of it on their sub, despite it actually needing attention and pressure on the Vatican/Australian government to do the right thing.

[–]KingPellinore 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The FBI's last statement on "unfounded" rape accusations put them at 8 percent of all reports.

The FBI estimated there were 84,376 forcible rapes reported in 2012. If 8 percent of those rapes are false, that would come out to 6,750 cases in which the victim was lying about her or his assault.

Studies compiled by the Kinsey Institute estimate that 18-29 year-olds have some form of sexual activity with another person (or people) "an average of 112 times a year, 30-39 year-olds an average of 86 times per year, and 40-49 year-olds an average of 69 times per year."

Let's apply these numbers to the 15-39 demographic, which engages in interpersonal sexual activity an average of 99 times a year (with the assumption this data can be extrapolated for 15-18 year-olds):

There are 103 million Americans in this age range. If the average number of annual interpersonal sex acts for each American is 99 and men ostensibly make up at least half of every instance of sexual intercourse, that comes out to 5.1 billion instances of some form of interpersonal sexual activity for 15-39 year-old men in the United States.

That would mean that the odds of any sexually-active male between the ages of 15 and 39 has a 750,000 to 1 chance of being falsely accused of rape.

[–]SoSeriousAndDeepAlpaca Male 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Men can't make false claims, because men are never wrong. Simples.

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    [–]GayFesh 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So is MensLib.

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      [–]tesformes 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I had RES go through your entire comment history and found no posts to /r/MensLib. I did find a whole shitload of posts to /r/MensRights, as well as a fucking massive essay you wrote bitching about Muslims and referencing that idiotic Stormfront copypasta about them.

      What I'm saying is, I don't believe you.

      [–]GayFesh 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, uh-huh, sure. You have examples of those comments? Judging by your post history (pussypassdenied? really?) I think you're overestimating how "polite" you're being.

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        [–]Tony_Snark__[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        ...says the rapist.

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          [–]Tony_Snark__[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Please learn how to read if you are going to respond. Also, according to your own statistic, your claim of rape is false.

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            [–]Tony_Snark__[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

            no

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              [–]Tony_Snark__[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'm divorced, I have 50/50 custody and a very amicable relationship with my ex. I am familiar with paternity laws, in the US anyway.