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[–]Yosarian2 92ポイント93ポイント  (8子コメント)

Here's another one: Trump call the Tienanmen Squire Protests in China a "riot", and says the Chinese govnerment "showed strength".

“The Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/donald-trump-tiananmen-square-china-playboy-interview

[–]RedditIsOverMan 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

This one scares the shit out of me. When I told my family about it I had to look up the quote, because it's almost unbelievable.

[–]Yosarian2 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah. Even putting aside all the messed up political implications of someone running for president saying that, the fascist undertones are just unmistakable. Strength is everything. You must always show strength, and the worst think you can do is show weakness. And if people protest peacefully against you, you have to show strength, even if that means a launching massacre of unarmed civilians using tanks.

[–]Poop_is_Food 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's some Colonel Kurtz shit. This guy's a fucking maniac.

[–]Bezulba 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You see this is in a lot of his remarks. Where he said something stupid but can't just step away from it and say he was wrong/misquoted. No that would show weakness (according to him) so he double downs on every stupid remark...

[–]Lulubelle987 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This comment just made me remember tiananmen square and I've just read into it more than ever, and I'm genuinely scared that, if Trump becomes POTUS this kind of thing WILL happen..

[–]THETEH 76ポイント77ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well this is terrifying. I had somehow missed his desire to seize foreign oil and some of the stuff about nukes.

[–]LarryMahnken 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's because he throws so much shit out there nobody has time to focus on one thing. But the people he's trying to signal with that stuff always hear it.

[–]redditorguy 390ポイント391ポイント  (52子コメント)

I heard an interview with a Ivy League Professor who was speaking about fascism ... and came to the conclusion that the sole reason Trump isn't a full-fledged Fascist is simply because he does not yet have power.

[–]Kzraxus 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read:

Trump supporters try and ruin the life of the journalist who reported the above story.

And thought the list couldn't get any worse, and the small scroll bar with lots of page to scroll down was just walls of text on the comments.

Then i read this:

Trump brags he could murder someone and still not lose support.

And It kept getting worse from that point onward.

I just have no words.

[–]HamburgerDude 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I emailed Chomsky about it while ago I don't feel like I have the right to to post the contents of the email completely without asking him I can paraphrase it I'm sure. He claimed while Trump is very worrying he isn't a fascist because he doesn't have any ideological commitment or consistency which is a really fair point but he said there is definitely a whiff Weimar in the air.

I've always called him an old school jingoist myself which seems to be a more apt label than fascist.

[–]BearlyBreathing 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Respect to Chomsky, but I very deeply disagree with this assessment. A lack of ideological commitment is a characteristic of fascism. Mussolini infamously swung from socialism to fascism over the course of just a few years, going from agitating for proletarian revolution to the Blackshirts being the brutal enforcers for landowners. Why? Because the first strategy failed to achieve power. This is key―obtaining power and being strong is all fascists really value. These things are taken to be good in and of themselves, and the "correct" ideology is simply the one that gets you strength and power.

In his defense, Chomsky's mistake is a common one among intellectuals since they are naturally inclined to assume political movements are essentially ideological in character and the totalitarian ethos itself seems to require a strict ideological line to enforce. A careful reading of the history, however, reveals that fascist movements only really obtain anything like a coherent ideology after attaining power, and, even then, they amount to toothless documents serving no practical purpose beyond announcing the end of ideological debate within the party (see: Hiltler's "25-points") or ponderous philosophical musings of no consequence whatever except to entertain academic fascists who desire fascism to be the ideological and philosophical breakthrough it never was or could be (see: anything by Nazi Heidegger [actually, don't]). In any case, fascism likes to look ideologically coherent in spite of being anything but, and this has tripped up many political scholars since the end of the WWII.

That said, it is a dangerous mistake to make. By adopting Chomsky's reasoning here, you would have missed the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany alike.

As a general rule, fascism adopts the ideological and mythological trappings of whatever country it arises in, and it does so in a piecemeal, searching way as it seeks out the most promising opportunities for seizing power.

And if that was really the main thrust of Chomsky's objection to applying the label in Trump's case, well, we should consider that, too.

[–]Iliad93 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah precisely, fascism is characterised by its inconsistency, its opportunistic fluidity.

The paradoxes in fascist ideology aren't really a problem, because it is fundamentally irrational, because reason and scrutiny is weakness and emasculating, order and hierarchy are masculine and naturally right.

[–]hokaloskagathos 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe "fascist" is too precise because of other ideological commitments, but Trump is definitely very authoritarian and anti-democratic.

EDIT: After seeing that quote about Trump glorifying the "showing of strength", I'm not so sure. Maybe he is a fascist.

[–]kirkisartist 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

I asked r/debatefascism and they said he wasn't, but they really, really, really like him anyways, allllot.

[–]hokaloskagathos 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's an r/debatefascism?!?

[–]kirkisartist 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yup. And they do not mince words. Whatever implied fascism Trump is proposing is not fascist enough for them to accept.

[–]epeen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I asked r/debatefascism and they said he wasn't, but they really, really, really like him anyways, allllot.

Are you referring to this post? Here are the comments that people who aren't you made about him specifically:

"Trump's not a Fascist, he's just an idiot with too much money."

"Trump does... dog-whistling to retards with no intention of following though with his rhetoric."

This post by a different user got a bigger response, which was generally negative.

[–]ben1204 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could you link it by any chance?

[–]iamdigidude 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]BearlyBreathing 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paxton is great, and I can't recommend his book enough.

The main takeaway from that interview for me:

If Donald Trump puts his followers in colored shirts and they begin to fight in the streets, then you’ve got fascism.

Personally, I think they already have their version of armbands (I doubt we'd see literal colored shirts though you never know), some people have already expressed interest in organizing a militia to "defend" his events, and his barking about "law and order" throughout his doom-and-gloom convention speech makes me think such efforts could start to gain some traction and that he'd support them if they did.

At any rate, this has been what I've been watching for. If the people attacking protesters start organizing the effort, then we'll know for sure.

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 68ポイント69ポイント  (6子コメント)

but he isnt exactly hitler so it's ok

[–]DMVBornDMVRaised 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wish we had at least a blog or something for stuff like this. It's pretty much impossible for me to share reddit links and expect to be taken seriously at this point.

[–]Blechhotsauce 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I took the list and posted it on my website. I credited the original author as well. So if you want to share this link, you can: http://www.handsycomprehensiveexam.com/blog/2016/7/19/donald-trumps-repulsive-beliefs

[–]revdogsisco 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know it would be a lot of work, but you could take the ones that stand out and put them in your own post to wherever you're trying to share this to. I'm planning on sharing some of these on Facebook soon

[–]Alcovich 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive the Reddit post itself, then share the archive.

[–]ForeverDia5 720ポイント721ポイント  (236子コメント)

Holy fucking shit. This is scary as fuck. Not just because of Trump, he will most likely lose the election, but the number of people who support this rhetoric and these policies is scary. These numbers, especially the opinion polls, should convince everyone that racist and fascist ideology have not gone anywhere; they are as real of a threat as they were during the first half of the 20th century. Trump will lose this one but we might see another Trump in 2020 or 2024.

[–]Explosive_Diaeresis 192ポイント193ポイント  (18子コメント)

He made them bold and gave them a stage. If income inequality and the pressure on the middle class doesn't ease up, it's just going to get worse. These guys start pulling in moderates when the economy tanks as they direct their anger and the poor, the Black, the Brown and what they consider the degenerate instead of the people screwing them.

[–]FlutterShy- 115ポイント116ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's insane to me how they are so close yet so far away from class consciousness. They recognize that capitalism has failed them but attribute this failure to people with darker skin and differing beliefs rather than the oppressive bourgeois class which is wholly responsible for income inequality and the exploitation of all working and middle class labor.

[–]bigDean636 97ポイント98ポイント  (5子コメント)

You'd think the mere symbolism that a billionaire is telling middle class and poor people who to blame would be enough to wake some people up. Apparently not.

[–]ZimZimA1 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

Trump supporters from flyover states always rail against politicians owned by special interests. They then decide that it is good to vote for a special interest himself. A man who bragged about buying politicians during the first fucking debate. The cognitive dissonance is alarming

[–]thisoneoptimistic 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not doing you any favors to be condescending towards the majority of the continental US

Thanks

-a Midwesterner who despises Trump

[–]ZimZimA1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Forgive me, I wasn't criticizing all of the Midwest. I was specifically referring to the Midwestern Republicans who complain about Washington insiders, while they helped Trump get the nomination

[–]thisoneoptimistic 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

No worries. It's just that phrases like that may seem innocuous, but they do a lot to perpetuate negative stereotypes that aren't always true.

[–]carniak 84ポイント85ポイント  (36子コメント)

The anti-Brexit folks thought Brexit would lose too.

Don't let that kind of belief stop you from voting. Or voting against Trump.

[–]ogshortstufff 20ポイント21ポイント  (34子コメント)

That's the problem with these Bernie folks voting for stein

[–]material_methods 18ポイント19ポイント  (26子コメント)

Such bullshit. DNC members are supporting Clinton at much higher numbers than Clinton supporters behind Obama in 08.

If the DNC wanted someone to get independent and Republican votes, they shouldn't have nominated the most disliked democratic candidate in history. The problem is Hillary Clinton's narrow base of enthusiastic voters, not leftists.

[–]urahonky 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

I know I'll get downvoted but... He's not wrong by saying that Bernie voters going for Stein is how Trump will get elected. Every election cycle it feels like we have to vote for the lesser of two evils and this one is by far the most important election. Look at the OP. Look at that crazy shit. Stein won't win and neither will Clinton if we all don't work together to keep this fool out of the White House. Every vote for Stein makes him that much closer to the red button.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had to choose our candidates based on their positives and not on their negatives?

[–]burlycabin 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

In 08 & 12 I did not feel like I was voting for the lessor of two evils. In fact, I did and do think that I voted for a great man.

Edit: spelling

[–]urahonky 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. 08 and 12 were really easy election years for me. 2012 completely slipped my mind... I was somehow thinking about mid term elections.

[–]forgotmymainagain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. I'd vote for a 3rd term if I could. Obama is the best president I've seen in my 40+ year lifespan by a large margin.

[–]Vega62a 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ralph. Nader.

Ralph Nader siphoned votes from the committed Democratic base, critically in Florida, where GWB won by a razor-thin margin far smaller than the number of votes Nader won. This directly led to the election of GWB in 2000. All other things being equal, if Ralph Nader had not presented himself as a candidate in 2000, we would not have had 8 years of a Bush presidency.

Third parties are a good idea, and I would like to see them implemented well. A third party needs to present a viable candidate, not a protest candidate, and make a serious case to voters that not only will they present ideas, but build political coalitions and set and achieve realistic goals. No third party has thus far done so. Jill Stein is a protest candidate. Gary Johnson is a protest candidate. Neither would have the political acumen or clout to successfully be a head of state.

I'm not a huge fan of the DNC, and I supported and caucused for Bernie. But he made the right call bowing out and endorsing HRC. For a 3rd party to work, one party needs to not be constantly threatening to reverse social and economic progress and eroding the rights of vulnerable groups. Elections need to be less dangerous. Until that happens, all a third party does is siphon votes away from the party that will keep us from going back to the '80s.

[–]sblinn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The GOP actually ran pro-Nader ads in Florida in 2000.

[–]ScribbleBliss 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree that Hillary's light years from a good choice, but still think that the Second Option precious-snowflake sect of the left can swiftly go fuck itself. I've talked to enough of them to know that loads of them didn't even participate in politics until it became a hot social-networking opportunity this past year. Now, all of the sudden, I have to listen to these newly-minted Green Party assholes talk about how our top priority is destroying the Democratic Party that didn't reward their years of non-participation with a Bernie victory. I expect a good portion of them won't give a rat's ass come December, no matter who gets elected. The season finale will have passed and there will be other TV shows and movies to wig out about.

[–]material_methods 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Voter apathy effects both parties. The reason the DNC has done well on the national level in 08 and 12 is the fact that Obama brought in Republican and independent voters; Hillary fails to do that on a grand scale.

We are in a democracy and democracy is ugly sometimes. Chastise people who aren't participating, but agree that people will make different choices than you and vote for other candidates than the top two. There is no reason to force someone to vote for a candidate in a democracy.

[–]Poop_is_Food 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

nobody is forcing anybody here, we are just talking

[–]hokaloskagathos 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, exactly. There is nothing dumb about being angry that people refuse to prevent a border-line fascist to take power just because of ideological purity.

Does history have to repeat itself at every point?

[–]Reagalan 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are thousands who know Trump's a mess but want him anyway because he would be "so bad the whole system would crash". To them, Trump is hitting the reset button.

[–]hokaloskagathos 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

That reasoning is literally crazy.

[–]Reagalan 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you start from "gubmint is bad" and observe all this gubmint around us and find that even the guys who also say "gubmint is bad" keep making more of it then a "reset button" seems reasonable.

That is, of course, if you have never lived in a place where reset buttons have been pressed, so the actual consequences might be a ..."eh."

[–]Ol_Gimlet_Eye 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why Trump must not only lose but lose badly. Every % he gets encourages and empowers the crazy racists that follow him.

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

he will most likely lose the election, but the number of people who support this rhetoric and these policies is scary.

guess how the reactions in the streets will be after he loses

Trump will lose this one but we might see another Trump in 2020 or 2024.

might be too old then I think. Maybe Jr tho? Anyway the voter base will still be there and many of his activists will have voting age at the next election.

[–]Wetzilla 22ポイント23ポイント  (27子コメント)

I don't think the the majority of the people who say they are voting for him in the polls actually agree with all of this stuff he says, they just hate Hillary Clinton so much that they'll vote for literally anyone over her.

[–]Galle_ 48ポイント49ポイント  (16子コメント)

Which is absurd. Clinton is a generic a Democrat who's been subjected to a lifelong smear campaign. Trump is the worst possible presidential candidate conceivable. The idea that Clinton could be even remotely close to as bad as him, let alone worse, is one that only a complete lunatic could endorse.

[–]Shadowex3 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Clinton is a generic a Democrat who's been subjected to a lifelong smear campaign.

If your account wasn't 4 years old I'd assume you were one of the internet trolls she bought for a million dollars just from repeating this tired old whitewashing lie.

[–]Galle_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

How is it false, exactly?

  • Clinton is, from a political standpoint, a generic Democrat. Her voting record as a Senator is consistently liberal, but it's also consistently with the rest of the party.
  • Clinton has, in fact, been subjected to a lifelong smear campaign, alongside her husband. This isn't speculative, it's common knowledge.

[–]dillrepair 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

the hillary hate machine was carefully orchestrated for just this purpose. don't get me wrong i don't like her either.. but yeah. anybody with half a brain who's been watching this election should now have a thorough understanding of how the dumb can be easily manipulated by the media. (if they didn't already)

[–]Sir_Marcus 57ポイント58ポイント  (57子コメント)

Fascism is just capitalism in decay. The fact that a literal fascist was able to whip up this much fervor in less than a year is proof this system can't last.

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascism is just capitalism in decay

more like the reaction to capitalism in decay

[–]A_Chimenti_O_Face 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read American Fascists by Chris Hedges sometime.

[–]thehaga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's scary that many others are quietly winning/have won who are similar/much worse (and this will only get worse.. we might eventually elect a 'trump')

[–]FujofTg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, you hit the nail on this one. Trump wanting to be president is not unthinkable, so many people wanting him to be is.

[–]Thermodynamicness 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The majority of Trump supporters don't actually support these policies. They support Trump the demagogue. They rabidly follow Trump without regards to reason or sense. Not even for his policies. You can tell because all their reasons for voting Trump. "He speaks his mind.""He refuses to be PC." Etc. They have just fallen prey to rhetoric. That means that when Trump doesn't win, these policies will never see the life of day.

[–]ciaran036 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

America has become an idiocracy.

[–]Duff- 191ポイント192ポイント  (15子コメント)

... Jesus Christ... the examples don't end, do they?

[–]TheRealJasonsson 104ポイント105ポイント  (13子コメント)

It'd genuinely scary to read through that list and then look at how many people unconditionally support him

[–]OmegaMega1 68ポイント69ポイント  (11子コメント)

It feels like one of those terrifying dystopian movies where the opening text crawl explains how the world got so fucked up.

[–]dillrepair 61ポイント62ポイント  (7子コメント)

the same day i put the bernie sticker on my old car last year i had several people drive up next to me and start screaming "you fucking commie we'll put you in jail when trump is elected" and "go back to russia you fucking socialist" The mob psychology of what he's doing is simply dangerous and is truly reminiscent of hitler's rise to power.

[–]kuppajava 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly what I was thinking. About half way through the list I said to myself "...so this is where the crazy dystopia stuff I always had problems with in bad-future novels starts" because reading those kinds of books I always took issue with how things would have become so terrible in such a short period of time. Now I see that it can happen, that most people can see it happening, but it may still happen anyway.

[–]HanJunHo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but have you heard about Hillary's emails! And Benghazi!

[–]iPimpLlamas 63ポイント64ポイント  (16子コメント)

Sorry to be so picky but violating the First or Fifth Amendments is violating the Bill of Rights. Just a minor error in an otherwise outstanding post.

[–]talentlessbluepanda 54ポイント55ポイント  (14子コメント)

If there's one thing I've learned from this election cycle is that we can limit nearly every single amendment in one way or another EXCEPT the second amendment.

[–]dches 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

EXCEPT the second amendment.

If you're white of course

[–]Backeon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But technically Trump violates that too with his policies...

[–]huskerwildcat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is Article 12 in the Bill of Rights?

[–]LordoftheScheisseFucksWithCucks 100ポイント101ポイント  (1子コメント)

The man gushes about dictators and their methods on the regular! Saddam, Kim Jong Un, etc. He seriously seems impressed by them. Like an idiot, he seems to be dazzled by their abilities to wield power with no regard for their methods as long as the ends justify the means. (see: his stance on torture) It's absolutely disgusting.

[–]krrt 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a very good point. He always talks about strength and power and openly admires the ruthlessness and effectiveness of people like Putin and Kim Jong.

It's funny because he always prefaces it by saying that what the dictators did was bad, but then essentially says we also need to be that effective/strong. The man has seriously fascist tendencies.

[–]tling 61ポイント62ポイント  (11子コメント)

Great work, but I think this would be stronger if you removed the lines about individual Trump supporters such as the ex-cop, KKK member, and pipe bomber.

A critic will first attack the weakest argument in your position, and since you can't hold a candidate responsible for what self-avowed supporters do or say, the whole list becomes weaker. Of course a KKK member is going to vote for Trump. Does anyone think he'd vote third party for Jill Stein? And so would a wanna-be pipe bomber aiming at Muslims. Many Clinton supporters are terrible douchebags, too, including dozens (hundreds?) of rapists and murderers. Is that somehow important? No, it's just not meaningful. Nor is the pic of the KKK Grand Wizard meeting Hillary.

Now, Trump's refusal to condemn the violence of supporters is noteworthy, as are the actions of Trump allys, GOP supporters, and groups of supporters at his rallies. But random self-selected supporters? Not so much.

[–]Heyitskristin918 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's framed as what he refuses to condemn. What he says is passionate.

[–]charginghawk 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

If I can factor an endorsement positively into my decision making, there's no reason I can't factor one in negatively. So, David Duke, that's devastating to Trump. (You might say endorsements are irrelevant, but politics is pretty clearly a team sport.)

There is a difference between David Duke and just a random terrible person, and you might conclude the latter is irrelevant. But when you have a trend, it's perfectly reasonable to factor that in. Trump has a trend of violent supporters. You can reasonably conclude a Trump presidency will strengthen that trend.

Finally, it's about narrative. It's a political reality (and a reality reality, it's how Wall Street gauges companies, and people gauge each other). It's not always fair, but you at least have to be aware of it and work around it. Violent Trump supporters makes for a kind of terrifying narrative.

[–]verdatum 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Completely agree. Everyone has supporters that do horribly stupid shit. You might be able to argue that trump's supporters tend to be worse than others', but that's a separate and only vaguely related debate. The title of this post is why Trump is a facist, not why his supporters are pro-facist.

[–]imjustaredshirt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree. I think the next weakest argument is the quote from Trump saying that he could murder someone and not drop in popularity. Unlike his other statements, which are plans or promises to do things, this is a hyperbole. It's tasteless, but just a hyperbole. "I'm untouchable."

[–]OttotheTurk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reality doesn't matter to some of these people. Let them have their frenzied circle jerk just like The_Donald crowd.

[–]BubbaOx 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus Christ that laundry list of Trump's bullshit felt like the opening of Space Balls

[–]RaiThioS 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit! There goes the planet...

[–]ben1204 99ポイント100ポイント  (12子コメント)

This is a great list! Perhaps though, find a few alternative sources to places like Think Progress and then I'd love to see it stickied.

Its absolutely terrifying, that this man could become president. No matter how far ahead we are in the polls TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED.

[–]oughton42 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow! Great list! We've got the best lists, don't we Ben?

[–]wuzzle_wozzle 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

No matter how far ahead we are in the polls TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED.

This needs to be repeated to the diehard Berners who are jumping over to "$hill Stein". It isn't worth it to be ideologically rigid and send a message to the DNC that they'll just ignore.

Be realistic, be pragmatic and accept the victories that Bernie's campaign has made, which has pushed the Dem platform to the left on many issues.

[–]Vega62a 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm curious if anybody actually thinks Jill Stein would make a good commander in chief, or if they just like her platform. ELI5 pls.

[–]ciaran036 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's the problem with Think Progress?

[–]ben1204 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

I read it and certainly enjoy it, but it's certainly a left-leaning source.

[–]ciaran036 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's wrong with that? Think Progress calls styles itself as "Hard-hitting progressive political news and analysis."

Just because it leans one way or another doesn't mean I immediately distrust everything they say - so long as their opinions are backed up by hard facts and real sources (which may or may not be the case, I don't know) then I don't see what the issue is. Reddit has historically leaned left (which is due in large part to its demographics) so I don't understand why we would dismiss it as a source, I don't ever recall Think Progress being known for not being a credible source of political analysis.

[–]Yosarian2 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he was just saying that the list would be more effective and more convincing if it had more unbaised sources.

The source isn't wrong, Trump actually did say all those things, just that if you're trying to convince someone that's not the best way to do it.

[–]CarelesslyFabulous 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"unbiased sources"

Show me one and we can use it.

I don't disagree. ThinkProgress is a bit more toward the higher end of the bias scale, but all media has a bias in some form. This election has drawn out some real doozies I didn't expect...

[–]abesrevenge 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • 15% disapprove of slavery being abolished (Unconstitutional and morally)

Buu...but... How are Trump supporters "racists". Nice buzzwords LIBTARDS. /s

[–]mabris 70ポイント71ポイント  (1子コメント)

Calling it a "Final Response" assumes he won't be spouting more nonsense to add to the list.

[–]PraetorianFury 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP, looks like you put a lot of work into collecting these sources and making your point. I hope you'll accept a little bit of advice. Liberal sources can be just as biased as conservative ones. You would strengthen your argument by avoiding such source as

  • think progress
  • daily wire
  • democracynow
  • new York daily news
  • crooksandliars

In general, if a source has "daily" in the name, it has the quality of a tabloid and is about as reliable. And among reliable sources, avoid opinion pages and blogs. The organization usually adds a disclaimer so they are not liable for anything said, hence there is little editorial oversight.

Trump has said a lot of crazy shit, so it's not hard to bust him with high quality sources like CNN or the NYT. They might not be on the top of the Google search results because sensationalist Facebook trash often gets more views, so you might need to dig a little, and perhaps search for a direct quote, rather than a clickbait headline. Hope that helps.

[–]symberke 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

We're going to need a list of lists so I can find these things easily later

[–]spectrosoldier 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

The "fight fire with fire" part sounds like he's encouraging mass rape of foreign citizens. Someone please tell me that's not the case.

[–]SusheeQueen 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sadly, it is.

I recall watching a TV show interview where Trump made a comment about going after the women and children of people in foreign countries (basically a 'fight fire with fire' concept again)

[–]Insane_Artist 57ポイント58ポイント  (49子コメント)

and yet a good 40-45% of the electorate consistently support this man.

[–]gerbal100 41ポイント42ポイント  (46子コメント)

Hillary is Evil dontcha know, because of REASONS.

[–]Harpence 57ポイント58ポイント  (22子コメント)

She may not be as horrible as Trump, but she is very far from sainthood. You make it sound like no one has a reason to think she's crooked.

[–]HanJunHo 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's one thing to be crooked. It's quite another to advocate wiping out entire families and openly attacking allies to tkae their oil fields. The fact that people keep pulling this "what about Hillary" routine is just sloppy, lazy thinking. Hillary has done some shady stuff, Trump is maniacal and seriously dangerous.

[–]Acomatico 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if they are not allies, you cannot just atack a country like that, we dont live in the colonial era or some shit.

[–]Kzraxus 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing is being corrupt and probably cause a couple dramas during presidency with money laundering and another is OPENLY CALL FOR NUCLEAR WORLD WAR THREE WITHOUT A SINGLE SECOND BEING GIVEN FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH A THING

[–]Galle_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty much impossible to make an honest assessment of Clinton as this point, because she's at the center of so many lunatic conspiracy theories.

[–]jb4427 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

People have reasons, they're just not legitimate. For those of us around in the 90s, we've heard this song before.

[–]Baryonyx_walkeri 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been really disconcerting seeing modern liberals recycling 90s conservative conspiracy theories about the Clintons. I mean, there's a lot to dislike about them but there's no reason to start believing nonsense.

[–]Kalesvol 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just because Trump is a massive pile of shit, it doesn't mean Clinton is good. She is a pretty big pile of shit herself.

[–]janas19 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is kind of like saying marijuana and meth are both drugs. Fuck it, let's smoke meth.

[–]krrt 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I can't believe the false equivalence going on.

[–]Kzraxus 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

One thing is being corrupt and probably cause a couple dramas during presidency with money laundering and another is OPENLY CALL FOR NUCLEAR WORLD WAR THREE WITHOUT A SINGLE SECOND BEING GIVEN FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH A THING

[–]expara 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy is a nut job and anyone with a brain knows he is dangerous if elected president, trust the majority of Americans that want Hillary and help us defeat this guy for the sake of our country and the world.

[–]aspbergerinparadise 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

jesus christ... it just keeps going and going.

Excellent post, OP

[–]Sandflapjack 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, you see, hillary is LITERALLY WORSE OR THE SAME as trump. Hehe checkmate.

[–]FiveStops 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump did all this stuff, sure, but Hilary something something emails so she's way worse xoxo

[–]Galle_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I refuse to believe that anyone honestly thinks that. Nobody that stupid could possibly operate a computer.

[–]Vega62a 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Head on over to /r/politics and take a look at threads about HRC's declining poll numbers. It's like 99% Bernie or Busters telling me why it's TOTALLY REASONABLE TO SUPPORT A PROTEST CANDIDATE because a Trump presidency TOTALLY WOULDN'T BE ON THEM IF THEY DID.

[–]Sandflapjack 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh my god. do you....not know? Oh my god you precious thing come here there is so much in the world that you havent seen.

[–]Rageodo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy sources Batman!

[–]Gazing_Into_The_Void 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best post I've ever seen on reddit. Marvellous, marvellous stuff. Thank you so much. We all know what Trump is, and we all have a smaller catalogue of the evidence, but lumping it all together in one humungous package is tremendous. Just tremendous.

[–]ShredLobster 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!!! So so so so SO fucking tired of retards on reddit memeing his bullshit in support. Shut the fuck up you IDIOTS.

[–]Enleat 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this is terrifying. Thank you.

[–]coug24suspence 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump just getting slaughtered here. Absolutely wrecked. Lambasted, if you will.

[–]C-c-c-comboBreaker17 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This argument truly Trumps the opposition's.

[–]NoonecanknowMiner 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

To go along with this, Trump meets 8 of the 14 characteristics of fascism.

[–]eman00619 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can we get a response from /r/The_Donald ?

[–]OracularLettuce 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

The usual response to these kinds of things is "He's just trying to be unpredictable, so that his opponents can't get one over on him. He's the nimblest of the navigators."

[–]runhaterand 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're doing the Lord's work, op.

[–]stcamellia 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Final, that is, until the his his first speech this week.

[–]r0cx89 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just one of these should be reason enough for this man not to be President.

[–]ccmulligan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've done an excellent job cataloguing everything, but I think that the truth of Trump's nascent fascism was nowhere more apparent than Day 1 of the Republican convention -- blatant lies about the amount of crime in the US (it's at historic lows); blatant lies about the preparedness of the US military (we are still the largest and best-equipped military in the world); blatant lies about the US foreign policy under Obama and with Secretary Clinton heading State (no one on the right mind could call either of them peaceful, and they were directly responsible for targeted killings of several high-ranking terrorist leaders, including Osama Bin Laden); and blatant lies about the "threats" the US faces on a global scale (we are safer today than we have been in decades; we have virtually no national enemies. Our biggest rivals find it more expedient to trade with us than to rattle sabers. We face an insurgency from terrorist groups, true, but that's been true literally every year of the most recent two centuries).

And yet, in order to facilitate their fascist designs, the Republicans trotted out scaremonger after scaremonger, seeking only to inflame fears, inflame xenophobia, inflame hatred, because they know fascism is buoyed up on such base emotions.

I was disheartened to see us goose-stepping toward Bethlehem tonight.

[–]HarryGlibert 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember when he referred to Saddam Hussein's brutal gassing of his own people as

"Saddam Hussein throws a little gas, everyone goes crazy, 'oh he's using gas!'" http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-praises-saddam-hussein-s-approach-terrorism-again-n604411

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck this is scary

[–]ciaran036 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wild popularity of Trump in the US is terrifying. America has become an idiocracy. No sane and even moderately intelligent being would see Trump as a possible contender for President of the United States.

[–]BlueShift42 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Intelligent breakdown complete with cited sources... don't see this kind of material from other certain subreddits.

[–]yo_viola 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

amazing work, op. this should be stickied.

[–]Slacken7 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is one hell of a list, much appreciated.

[–]wuzzle_wozzle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's the Erdogan of the USA.

[–]XDark_XSteel 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm trying to wrap my head how so many people could say abolishing slavery was morally wrong. I've met many racists, and a few really super duper racists who were sort of ok with slavery, south will rise again types, and even they knew how morally reprehensible slavery was, they just didn't really care.

[–]atomcrafter 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's listed as people disapproving of abolition. Morally wrong and unconstitutional were the OP's comments on that.

[–]HalogenTD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite part is that literally no Trump supporter will see this and go "hm. maybe you're right." It doesn't matter to them. It's an identity. They cover their ears or tell you something is wrong with the information you've presented them.

[–]adwarakanath 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus fuck America, 40% of you support this man. Scary shit.

[–]afrustratedfapper 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope most of those 40% are ignorant of all this and have a massive hate bonner for Hilary. The alternative is too scary to consider.

[–]Galle_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

A significant percentage of them are, which is why posts like this are so important.

[–]ZeSkump 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who could have guessed, coming from the american Erdogan?

[–]LeLeThrowawayLe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a particularly fascist statement that Trump made that I have had great trouble tracking down. I don't remember the context, but Trump said something along the lines of:

"Yeah we may have to start doing things that we have never done before"

Anyone know?

[–]ludgarthewarwolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you so much for posting this. Whenever I get into a debate, online or offline, I try to use as much sourced evidence to back my claims as possible. Before I could say, "Trump is a Facist", now I can support that.

[–]_COMMUNIST_CANADA_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini, often considered the father of fascism.

[–]corallein 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"But it's just a code! He doesn't really mean it." - a sucker, or an apologist, or both

[–]gleap 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, excellent post.

[–]drippydick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

that was a truth bomb

[–]TheDarkAgniRises 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

HOW CAN MUSLIMS LIKE THIS GUY, I MEAN YEAH YOU HAVE TO BE A PRETTY SHITTY IMAM TO INSPIRE SOMEONE LIKE OMAR MATEEN BUT THIS MAN LITERALLY IS SPREADING HATRED AGAINST YOUR PEOPLE

[–]Galle_ 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he gives radical Islamic terrorists exactly what they want: an evil Islamophobic American empire that they can use as an excuse for their own atrocities. It's the same reason why /r/the_donald celebrates every terrorist attack.

[–]evolvedfish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post should be stickied. The exhaustive list of examples is frightening

[–]CarelesslyFabulous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

FYI NationalReport.com is a satire site. It may be true, but I wouldn't use that site as a reference for anything (under Kim Jon Un's endorsement).

"Disclaimer National Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within National Report are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental. Advice given is NOT to be construed as professional. If you are in need of professional help, please consult a professional. National Report is not intended for children under the age of 18."

[–]Brettster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't even cover his convention speech, which was straight up the most fascist thing we've ever witnessed in this country.

"Immigrants, minorities, foreigners, and elected officials are the cause of all of our problems. They have invaded our (white) communities. I alone can fix it. Trust me. Give me all the power and I will fix everything."

You watch, that speech will be played in classrooms one day.

[–]Solomaxwell6 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but one time Hillary said she liked Robert Byrd, who had been in the KKK 50 years prior, so she's just as bad.

[–]joftius 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your PPP poll, you say "10% Say Whites are a superior race" -- that's actually in the whole population. Scroll further down to find 16% of Trump supporters.

[–]nonconformist3 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

This was well done. TY OP, very thorough! If Trump had an accident and died I wouldn't even read the story, I would just high five my friends.

[–]Dlgredael 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I normally wouldn't celebrate anyone's death, but I seriously believe Trump's death could potentially save the lives of hundreds of thousands of others if our country were actually stupid enough to put him in charge for a few weeks before he was impeached or assassinated.

[–]nonconformist3 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely agree. Dude is a sociopath and shouldn't be trusted. I dated a sociopath. They will fuck you over hardcore if you are not on their team.

[–]NoonecanknowMiner 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't celebrate if Trump died but I certainly wouldn't mourn him.

[–]HuffinWithHoff 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No shame in celebrating the death of a fascist

[–]PossessedToSkate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I started reading through the list and starved to death. Can we get this flaired with "Pack A Lunch" or something?

[–]underco5erpope 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is my bible now

[–]EagleDarkX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

After I scrolled down, I looked at my scrollbar and realised I was over halfway.

[–]AnomalyNexus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And here I thought Britain screwed itself. US is about to take it to a whole new level...

[–]killer4u77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This list is so... thorough...

[–]GenuineTHF 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought Anne Frank's only surviving member was her father?

[–]betazoom78 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it was her step sister who never knew Anne.

[–]the_noise_we_made 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nobody's going to question the contradiction? Trump wants to start a war with Russia, yet he is being endorsed by Putin?

[–]whiteypoints 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh there's more! The black supporters who keep getting kicked out but keep showing up to his rallies anyway.

He's so anti-muslim that Imams are supporting him!

Notice though most of the list is about his "supporters" being shitty people. I.E. The majority of Americans. LOL

[–]Texrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the contradiction is Trump's own

[–]Your_memes_are_bad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chinese Communist Party endorses Trump

Proof that China has abandoned communism. Mao is rolling in his grave.

[–]bookeater 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

“For many years I’ve said that if someone screws you, screw them back. When somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and as violently as you can.” (How to Get Rich, 2004)

[–]bowes-guitars 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish i could hug all of you guys in the States - this is like reading a bad comic book :(

[–]macsmonsters 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure you understand the definition of fascism. This is just "being an asshole".

[–]l_rufus_californicus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And gods help us, the motherfucker's going to win, because the left won't vote for Hillary since Bernie didn't win.

Unless something changes, this will be the year that Democrat apathy seriously fucks this nation up, because the ramifications of a Trump Presidency and Republican Congress will kill us.

[–]_The-Big-Giant-Head_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliant post. He has all the necessary credential to join ISIS.

[–]waldfield 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite comments are the ones saying "two of the links you posted aren't accurate, and therefore I'm ignoring the rest of them."