My story with STEEM started from the very beginning, I created the photography category in the first days posting was open, back then there was no reward or anything, but still I posted some photography because I like it and I liked to share it here, everyone liked it back then from the devs to the big guys no one was complaining about it, they thought it was good for the image of STEEM to have diversity in the posts. None of the photography I posted was my own, but I’m a long time photography enthusiast and I have an eye for it and know where to get good photography with credits. I did what I do out of love for photography and this project.
Months passed, all was OK, then after STEEM went big, things started to change, aggressive people started to show up out of nowhere trying to dictate what I can and cannot post, trying to bully me out of posting photography and videos I liked with all kind of claims, from copyright complete non sense claims, to plagiarism to content not being original and all kind of excuses. But the real reason is jealousy and envy, those people thought that they can also determine how much a post can get, they did not like it that I got votes and they did not.
I tried to explain my point of view, tried to reason with those people but nothing could be done, their hate was blinding them, and they were determined I should abide to their orders and be a good citizen.
This weekend things escalated, I have been slandered, defamed, threatened in posts and also in the slack police channel. I tried to respect people and discuss in a civilized way, but my fate was sealed.
I made a photography post today, in which I only posted my own text, and public domain photos, but it was too late, it was blindly down voted to oblivion by the blind hearted people and reported as plagiarism as well.
Worst is I was slandered again in the slack channel after coming to a gentlemen’s agreement with them, and some hateful people even contacted ned to un-vote one of my video posts he had voted for (which he did obviously because I’m the bad guy now, not like the old days!), they also contacted some of the people voting for my posts to stop doing it which they complied to under pressure.
Where was it written that only original content can be posted?
Who has the right to decide how much reward a post can get?
Who are you to tell people how to vote?
This place is starting to get worse than Reddit, with thought police, mod squads, astroturfing and fear mongering.
Finally, I would like to defend those of us who like to post stuff they like, even if they did not make it, it’s a right we have by all laws of the universe. This place will turn into a compilation of mugshots, and low quality content and articles if it is forbidden to also allow external content, it cannot survive!
Thank you for making me hate a place I once loved!
I know you are upset - you are completely right to be. But please don't give up. You have been one of the few valuable contributors to Steemit. You are among the few dozen people I follow.
Steemit is still in beta. We should expect trolls, bigots and nastiness. We should expect unfairness. I'm confident things will even out on the long run. These miscreants will be driven into irrelevance and will give up.
Of course, there will continue to be problems, but on the long run, I think Steemit deserves a chance.
If you are really upset, perhaps you can take a break and come back a few months later when the platform has matured. But then again, we need steemers like you to make this a solid community.
Yea, it would be pity to see you leaving! Really, maybe just step a few days back from you computer ...and the coming back . Also if your decision is finally, i'm understand this, it would be just pity.
Don't leave but let's make your voice count - and let's make steem better with such input and feedback!
Yes, I do hope @masteryoda returns after a hiatus. We need more steemers like him - whom we can always trust to contribute good content - to make Steemit better!
@masteryoda
I am adding to my follow list! I dont mind a good repost. Its hard enough to find good material let alone totally original material direct from the source. YOU HEAR THAT MR. COPYRIGHT? Leave us alone!
Please, do not leave the community. Probably the majority of people such as you describe them, but there are also quite adequate people. Do not be excessive perfectionism about Steemit. It's just another social platform, which is a bit of a perfect being
Where did all the whales go?
I will contribute gotten rewards of my comment to @masteryoda
After u got some break - come back and man .. u shouldn't care about naysayers and complainers .. i know this is somethings a though thing to ignore .. (i had to learn these lessons as well over the past 3 years)
Seems like someone stole your post and is begging in posts to upvote it.
My post with the beg in comments https://steemit.com/steem/@steve-walschot/what-steemit-really-is-all-about-now-stop-complaining (dont know how to link directly to the comment itself)
And the user stealing your post is @angelinaalba
I've read and upvoted your post earlier today, that's how i spotted it was a fake duplicate.
I seriously cannot agree with you more, summon. Steemit is still an experiment in beta stage. There are obviously flaws in the system fundamentally.
But quitting does not help. Really does not. It would mean that you'd be missing out on everything that this community is striving to achieve in the future.
But again, as summon said. It's your choice eventually. And we can't stop you from quitting.
It is a true pity.
This is a very big problem with community in steemit for now.
Unluckily,you get money here,and other people can see how much you got it.
That means the envy and jelousness is getting to work,and changing people.
They hate seeing you posting new,great photos (like u did already,i have really enjoyed watching them!) and they are saying it is a plagiarism and reporting you just because of a simple reason-they know you are going to get money from it.
However don't worry my friend,steemit is upgrading everyday.
We got BETA now,so you need to wait some time if you are not alright with posting new photos now,i would be happy if you do :)
That is a really, really bad place to be, if your posts on Steemit are fueled by jealously or envy.
The only way you are going to create good content is if you write what you believe in and do your best. The rest is not in our hands.
Exactly. We are not here to hate. We are not here to envy.
We are here to express what we love, and what we are passionate about.
Are posts like his expected to become as valuable as they once were? Possibly more?
Does similar posting on Facebook result in law suits for profiting billions upon billions of dollars on copyrighted material? I don't think so, this is social media on the Internet. Everything is linked together, you can see the source in the URL and everyone has the right to carry on a public conversation. Most content authors are happy to have people discussing their work as such on Social Media. I agree, the only person who has a grievance is the original author of the content.
Definitely. It happens on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram - on all social media. Content copyright owners notify the social media websites, and they have no choice but to remove the offending content. In fact, YouTube even has automatic detection of copyright content under pressure from the movie and music industries.
I LOVE this.
Steem is a permanent record of content creation stored on a blockchain and real money is involved. People are going to get upset, envious, be offended, and experience all sorts of volatile emotions. This is like reddit + FB but with bigger stakes. So if you want to thrive here in the long term, you're going to need to have thick skin, stay positive, and adapt to what comes your way. Ragequitting is an unprofitable and unproductive strategy. Whinging is the same. I hope @masteryoda doesn't leave because we will be worse for it. And so will he.
@liberosist is absolutely right. Don't feed the troll @masteryoda . We are in beta, many nasty people who think better than the others will come. It is normal here on the Internet. But communities tend to balance, and these people or get tired or no one ends up voting for them.
They only win if people like you let them free path and leave.
It feels like certain people are being discouraged to post while others post and get upvoted for posting crap. Wish there was something we could do immediately.
i wish the same too. so that good content will prevail and the bad content will die
I agree that on introduce yourself could be misused. because I think the anonymous online world, so privacy is maintained.
I completely agree) I will read intetesting people that they engage favourite work
I agree with you - Do not give up.
Tomorrow things change,the excess will be filtered out ,and the mode is still Beta.
My view for what it is worth, is you're curating photographs and people are upvoting based on your taste and judgment.
The only people that have grounds for grievance are the copyright owners of the photographs.
There may come a time when many of us will be required to seek clearance for the use of photos. We may be pursued aggressively, maybe not. I'd advise everyone that lifts (non-public domain) photographs from the internet to set aside a pot of money to deal with these matters.
Some claims will be dealt with as fair dealing. Some claims will require authors to cough up cash. Other claims will require authors to take down material and damages may be sought. These are the realities of copyright clearances.
Outside of the copyright owners no-one else really has grounds for grievance. Unless they feel you were misrepresenting photos as your own. From what I can tell you have always attributed the photos appropriately, so there should be no issue on that score.
Just my two cents worth.
Hosting plateforms are legally liable for the content they host. Steem is the hosting plateform and we are its stake holders. We are entitled as a community to decide what kind of legal exposure we want to subject ourselves to, and it only makes sense from both an economic, business, legal and ethical perspective that we do not encourage people to seek income from the work of someone else by violating their intellectual property rights. Note also that although Steem is decentralized, Steemit Inc is a US registered company and they are the ones who will be spammed by DMCA take down notices if we allow the IP rights violations to go unchecked.
Steemit should look to how YouTube and other hosting companies deal with copyright infringement. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here I think.
The copyright owner should make a complaint (for all we know @masteryoda may have obtained the requisite clearance) and then the material can be blocked until the matter is resolved (@masteryoda should be given the opportunity to refute breach of copyright claims).
Persistent offenders who receive numerous complaints from copyright owners should be put on a banned list.
Steemit Inc. has clearly attempted to provide for this in the Terms of Service:
I would hope (as a quasi stakeholder myself) that Steemit have sought the best legal advice available. Copyright infringement can become a major headache for a platform like this (I've worked in this field for over a decade). It shouldn't require community policing beyond blatant false attribution.
If we are reliant on the community to police copyright infringement we are pretty much screwed as that approach is not scalable.
How do you remove copyrighted material from a blockchain?
Is that even possible?
You don't. But you can remove it/ stop it from showing on the Steemit site (which is a view of the blockchain data).
Except - too many of Masteryoda post I've seen are someone else's curation.
Going to another person's website and copy and pasting their curation, isn't curating.
For example here's a Masteryoda post and here is the post where he selected 5 photos from someone else's post
The photos posted are amazing - YES. But unless masteryoda runs Avax someone else put in the hard work putting them together and writing up commentary on them.
Curating art IS a valuable skill people SHOULD bring to steemit.
Art Gallery curators do a real job - and there are virtual equivalents to that. Sifting through the mountains of material available on the internet and bringing quality content to the fore, even if it is not your own original content is of great value.
But copying other's curation is no different than copy and pasting a Buzzfeed article in my opinion.
If @masteryoda was transitioning to doing more actual curation with his platform that would be great, in my opinion. But selecting photos from Avax posts alone personally won't get my vote (not that it counts for much).
People are free to upvote, but people are equally free to draw attention to 'copy and pasting' and let people choose to NOT upvote.
Thanks for sharing this, I did not know this to be the case.
are you angry or afraid because your content is someone else creation?
he is non of the above. it is just an observation.
Very good points.
Your two cents is worthlre like 5 hundred bucks =P
As I see it there should be just one simple rule for situations like these: If the content is not yours, give credit or original link, and that's the end of the story. Users can upvote, downvote or ignore it - but they will know whether you made it or someone else did.
That's not the end of the story, though.
Say someone makes a post praising my photo work which includes my photos in it. Fine, thanks for the praise, but if your praise racks up the equivalent of a downpayment for a home and outranks any money I made on it (since I was who put the effort into creating it in the first place), how is that fair? There needs to be some sort of system in place that rewards the creators in those situations. If it wasn't for them, the creation would not be there to share to begin with.
Hmm, people are making money out of reviewing videogames on youtube, if you see people making money on your work on steemit, wouldn't this give incentive to the content creators to join Steemit themselves to reap the rewards? I like to see the best material on Steemit, just like on reddit people are posting stuff that they haven't created, but think other people would like to see. Maybe, if one were to say, post someones photograph, he should inform him about Steemit and link to that post just to see what the platform is all about.
If Yoda is posting beautiful pictures to this platform for people to see, I say let him. There are people who go to photography just to watch beautiful pictures. But there should be information about the origin of the pictures and link to creators other stuff/website. I'd also like them to be informed about Steem, if possible.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. That feels like someone stealing my car, then selling it, me catching them, only to end up being given a business card by the thief and being told, "Hey, if you ever want to get into selling cars..." Doesn't make sense. What if the content creator isn't interested in joining? Continue letting people on this platform reap the benefits of that creation?
Your car is a singular object that can't be duplicated - I don't think that's a fair analogy. A better analogy would be something like: someone stole my song when they downloaded an mp3, then selling it, me catching them, and forcing them to remove it.
It happens, right or wrong, and digital content rights are a huge struggle for society right now. You see the entertainment industry fighting it as hard as they can right now. The real question is what happens when steemit gets a DCMA takedown notice for a post in the blockchain? How does that get removed?
You still have your photograph, you are getting exposure for your work, suddenly you find a new venue to profit from your work if you choose to do so, if not someone else will keep posting your good work, making more people aware of work. I could see big content creators eventually making accounts to steemit to battle someone else profiting from their work.
I think seeking permission should be required. I'd be curious to know how many yes answers you'd get.
The law allows "fair use" - so when reviewing a videogame, you can use a single screenshot and it will represent 1 second of the game and is deemed fair use.
Similarly with writing, you can quote a small snippet the size of those blurbs you see in the search results, and it is deemed Fair Use. If you quote the whole thing without permission, it is THEFT under the law.
And with photos - by definition you are using 100% of the original creator's image, unless you are only posting a snippet of the picture from the top corner. Under the law, this is theft, which means that the owner has the right to pursue you and force you to pay damages.
In such cases it may depend on the copyright or other license that the original content is provided.
By default in the US, at the moment of creation, copyright belongs solely to the creator unless sold. Granted, to further strengthen this, you would want to register your copyright.
Obviously though, the platform is global, and not all territories share the same laws attached to content. I think it's a good sign of "maturation" that we've started discussing ethical and legal implications of steemit posting rules. What I'm currently thinking is the extension of these legal implications: Say an author wants his copyrighted text removed from the blockchain, what then... (I'm not mentioning photographs, because these are typically hosted elsewhere). Who's gonna do it if the platform is decentralized?
Interesting times ahead....
No reply button for you. But I agree. Definitely interesting times. I feel a new kind of common sense for this type of platform will probably develop. There will be some kind of overall rule for copyrighted content. Obviously, as we can see in our discussion, varying opinions abound. There should be some kind of reconciliation.
This is correct, but it does not require that the copyright owner enforce any or every instance where the work is used. It is up to that party, and that party alone, to decide whether, for example, getting exposure on the Internet via social media is a net gain or a net loss. No one can legitimately impose such a decision on the copyright owner.
We don't need to be told that, even! It's general courtesy to leave a credit at the end. I credit even when the source is a public domain gallery or something.
Seems pretty easy to me.
@masteryoda, you had interesting content, and personally I don't care where it was taken. I think those who started this movement against the deployment of different content just jealous.
My friend, do not treat it so. Keep it calm post. If they you put for this ban. Then let them put it to me.
I understand the frustration. But i think steemit grow way faster than anyone could imaginate. This comunity is sky rocketing an ppl dont cant hold on from the growth. I like that peaple are cool to each other and calm down. Nobody should attack another steemer. We ned to stay together, to make it as great as possible.
Keep up the good work, and dont blame your self :)
Have a nice day
Me too
@summonerrk I would said that if you had made a ORIGINAL post on steemit and it had made only 2$...
then someone picks and steals what you have CREATED, and posts on his blog... he's well known so the upvotes keep comming and he mades 2000$ on that post he stole from you...
Now... can you truly say "I don't care where it was taken"?
Don't think so! I'm a designer and a creative, and my intellectual and physical things (either real or digital) are MY OWN property, if I post credits on an image and someone removes the credits and uses, he's stealing, simple as that!
@masteryoda, don't give up! A good platform and good posts bound to have challenges. Keep Steeming and all the best to you!
I agree with pinklee.
I have seen Lunartic running around Down-Flagging, for no reason. I got down flagged!!!!
Anyway , keep up the Good work with the photography.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
This is a very big problem with community in steemit for now.
Unluckily,you get money here,and other people can see how much you got it.
That means the envy and jelousness is getting to work,and changing people.
They hate seeing you posting new,great photos (like u did already,i have really enjoyed watching them!) and they are saying it is a plagiarism and reporting you just because of a simple reason-they know you are going to get money from it.
However don't worry my friend,steemit is upgrading everyday.
We got BETA now,so you need to wait some time if you are not alright with posting new photos now,i would be happy if you do :)
@masteryoda, its a bad news from you...
STEEMIT developers is not DECIDED at start - this project will have free content, or only original.
And now you is victim of this. But we are with you, dude.
there is no any luck to me with my posts as well but i'm still here just to see something new. Good luck 2 u, master!)
100 % of agreement, a thing is that the most valued be the original content, another thing is that it is obligatory. I have seen many of your post and the photographies that you put are precious, even you indicate the one who is the author, about it it treats itself not? Steemit is a social network that values your passions and your interests. Then the people are free to vote or not vote, to comment or not comment, but your also you are free of postear what you wish. (Providing that it does not offend anybody). As they have said to him in other comments , the anger is normal, And you have reason in thinking that there is a lot of envy behind, but also it is necessary to understand that this is beginning and we all commit mistakes, so much the staff of steemit as us, nobody is perfect, It will Be the time the one that puts order in all that.
A greeting and I expect to continue seeing your post!
I have been a steemer for over a week now. It was a very hard week, with ups and downs, with dreams and burns, launches and crashes. With only a handful of hours slept and cringes and blood-shot eyes. It was crazy and by the end of the week I also said: THAT'S IT, i'm deleting all my posts and moving away.
But this morning, after a good night's sleep I might say, I said NO, I WON'T GIVE UP. I don't care if my posts never reach the Trending page, or not even the Hot page. I believe in Steemit, in the idea of Steemit and I am going to keep posting my stuff without thinking about how successful they'll be and how much money is it going to make me. I have ideas that I want to share and if I help only a few people, so be it, I'll post it for them.
With bot lists, employer-employee whale relationships, promoted posts through a closed slack et all I could say I should stop and move on as it's bigger than me. But I won't and it's because of posts like yours that make the community show it's true face, a united face, that acts as one when it's right to do so. I saw the same community towards the end of last week with the responses off one of @johnsmith's post that went epic and where the comments were better than the article.
@masteryoda: I tell you, don't give up, stay for the people that follow you, don't quit for the people that downvote and collude against you.
I'm sorry you had to deal with such hate thrown your way. While you and I may feel fundamentally different about this topic, I don't believe you should have to deal with that kind of BS.
As a rule, I generally feel that the creator of any content, whether text, image, video, sound - whatever it is - should get a fair share of whatever profit is made. Having said that, I don't believe that - in this system - that ONLY the creator can make money from the creation if it can be distributed in a way that benefits everyone involved fairly. When people talk about fair use, I generally like to believe that should also involve fair gains. After all, if something of mine goes viral because YOU posted it, then awesome! I may not have had the influence to make it happen on my own. However, I feel that whatever is made should be shared with the creator(s) evenly.
masteryoda, do or do not there is no try! DO what you feel you need to. As long as you are giving proper credit to the creator of the work and citing your sources that is absolutely not plagiarism. ZERO, it is totally legit! DO NOT fear fair use. It is extremely complex. It is very important that Steemit.com, is allowed to be a source information and to be an aggregated news source. This is an enormous source of traffic and every social media site depends on it deeply. I know your intention was to share cool stuff, to spread the word. That is called the NEWS. A completely legit form of fair use. As long as you are not just using the images to make your post look cool, as long as your post is to pass along a bit of news you should be good to go.
"the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phone records or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.-socialmediaexaminer.com"
Reproducing digital images is allowed, make sure to use a lower resolution image than the original work. This helps protect the curator from being threatened with copying the work. Again always site the source, provide a link, and credit the creator. It will also help the case for any news article to add some of your own critisism and commentary along with the transmitted material.
All the news channels and other social media sites make buko $$ from passing along news, so I suspect the Steem we receive is not really the problem.
Obviously I am not the even close to the final voice on this. That said, I do support you and I support others as people work to figure out how to safely present sharing cool stuff on Steemit.com. I say safely beacause due to plagerized work and improperly credited shared items, Steemit.com could face serious legal problems and the site could even be taken down. Which would SUCK.
-Peace
some easy links for fair use information
http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/copyright-fair-use-and-how-it-works-for-online-images/
https://www.rivaliq.com/blog/guide-copyright-fair-use-laws-online-images/
http://guides.library.ucla.edu/citing/fairuse
also a link to a post I made a week or so ago about a question I had regarding fair use
https://steemit.com/steemit-issues/@darkb4dawn/copyrighted-material-and-fair-use-on-steemit
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Nice touch @darkb4dawn to include links explaining the boundaries. The fact is, the online world can be pretty cruel sometimes. The anonymity protects our privacy, but also provides us the power to engage in bullying without consequences. It can't be helped. Engaging them would be totally up to you.
I get where you're coming from @masteryoda. You like photography and you like to share it with everyone. That's all well and good, especially if you abide by fair use. There would be no harm done, and you even make money on the side. But, as a poster of original content, I see where they're coming from as well. It's hard to see that re-posts earn more than your carefully thought-out original work. That's just the way it is currently. Until the creators of Steemit enable creators to show off their original content for an amount of time so that many people would take notice, posters would just have to market their work more heavily. However, bullying is not the way, and there are better avenues to convey their stand.
For now, you just need to solidify your choice regarding the matter. Stick with Steemit, earn some money on the side and face the criticism, or just quit and call this a learning experience. Just get along can't we all?
You have made a very interesting post. As a conservative estimate, probably 99.9% of the users here are unfamiliar with the very earliest days of Steem where we were discussing strategies for aggregating content. Most of us thought nothing of aggregating manually and the debate focused more on how to do efficient aggregation with bots.
Now, since the community has grown to include those from all walks and cultures, we are being imposed by a different set of standards. In contrast to the old standards, which focused on technological efficiency, the new standards focus on an unwritten code of ethics, probably because money is involved.
Many users will think I mean that very early adopters don't have ethics, but that's not the case. We didn't have the financial component so the ethical component that accompanies finances was irrelevant.
One aspect that may be very frustrating to newcomers is that us very early adopters still tend to focus primarily on technological efficiency because that is our nature and is a huge reason why we are the types who become early adopters. We also have a lot of power resulting from our early adopter status. It may be time to re-think how we interface with this new community because we have now become a very visible minority.
I wish those conversations/discussions were easier to find, they'd be interesting reads.
In this new unwritten code of ethics, I propose one of the pillars is: the content that the community creates is sacred. It's one simple rule that's always worked for me while managing content based communities.
If you live by this rule, there is no room for error and you need to be certain before you claim something doesn't belong or isn't real. Bots would need to follow this ideal as well, and only respond if they are absolutely positive it violates the code. The content itself needs to be "innocent until proven guilty", and not punished before the evidence is 100% solid. Treating content with the utmost dignity should be the #1 goal, otherwise we will end up alienating content creators, which harms growth to the community.
But... when content is absolutely proven to violate a copyright violation, be completely fake, or violate any of the other ethics/standards - the gloves come off.
Your posts in this thread are awesome. This is concise and true and should guide our approach here:
And this too
That's a smart way to put it. I believe the frustration isn't fueled by "ethics" per se. Most people ethics are whack if you look deep down enough. They don't hold a logical ethical system but a "I feel this is unfair" kind of system.
What happens is this: People are outraged when what they perceive as "bad" content rises to the top.
They feel underappreciated and hurt and tend to fuck off.
In a way, this is illogical too! Because their posts are not all that better and anyway, didn't make any money anywhere else! But the $$ sign changes everything right away.
I don't mind a powerful minority that in time will create a powerful majority, but I think we need to be careful about not alienating new users. How exactly, it's an open discussion but one worth having.
For all of us!
This is a very reasonable response.
Thank you.
Even very, very interesting conversations about aggregating content are also likely out of the scope of what most in main stream will be reading about and contributing their into input and ideas toward.
The technological efficiency standards approach and bots have their place in social media, in the end social media that works is content created by humans.
"Social media are computer-mediated tools that allow people, companies and other organizations to create, share, or exchange information, career interests,[1] ideas, and pictures/videos in virtual communities and networks. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media"
The financial component is what makes Steemit.com, especially compelling for an enormous numbers of users/potential new users. To the deeply interested, the underlying technology, the geek aspect, is mind-blowing. To the "masses" it is 99.9% of the time the financial aspect that is mind-blowing. I certainly can not say that it is unethical to try and make money here, one could argue that is whole point of Steemit.com -----> to finally make money for participating in co-creating in the library of human life.
I believe it is very true that many people actually have no idea what plagiarism is and sharing is just so common that even highly educated types may have forgotten the ethics and the rules. Education can help.
After education there will still be willing abusers, especially while the site is very new. For some people the chance to cash out far outweighs the penalty of being chastised and/or expelled from a site that while very cool to you and me, is possibly disposable to them. Damages done to this beautiful site by these types make us cringe and yet the very willing offender likely couldn't care less.
Decidedly the early adopters and others with large influence here do ultimately have a serious role to play in this issue with you weighty nature. I don't know what is best myself, I do wish you well and will chime in when I have something intended to be meaningful to say.
@masteryoda: you are overreacting and throwing baseless accusations.
First I'm not aware of any slander having occurred. The discussion in the slack channel was respectful and constructive as far as I can tell. If you feel that you have been slandered, this must be the action of an isolated individual, and not the community as a whole and I would recommend that you settle the matter with the individual in question instead of throwing the blame piecemeal at everyone around.
You are also slinging mud on the curators in #steemitabuse. Are you aware we are spending hours of our personal time to detect and counter spam and plagiarism to keep this website clean and do not receive any compensation for doing this job? I can understand you resent the difference of opinion between your definition of "fair use" and that of the community. But do you really need to belittle the work of tens of volunteers to express your dissatisfaction?
Last but not least you imply that there is some sort of conspiracy that lead to the concerted downvote of your latest posts. This is simply absurd. Look at the votes on your two last posts: as of the time of this post, you have got a single (ONE) downvote on the latest post, and 2 (TWO) downvotes on the previous one (out of dozens of votes), and the Steemians who downvoted you were not even involved in the Slack conversation yesterday. Basically you are crying out because one or two individuals who used to support you changed their mind after your annual smithsonian photo contest post sparked controversy around intellectual property rights and probably made them reconsider their support. Are you seriously thinking it is proper to blame the whole Steem community because you lost the support of two individuals after one of your post attracted a lot of negative attention?
Please calm down and look at things objectively. The situation is what it has always been: contents are being voted based on the aggregate community opinion of the relative value of each post. As any society, the Steem community is evolving and what it considers to be valuable or acceptable changes over time. It's everyone's responsibility to remain aware of societal change and adapt accordingly. It doesn't mean that posting external content has become unacceptable, but obviously awareness has risen around intellectual property matters and it has now become more important than ever to strike the right balance between fair use under the "right to quote" and original content.
I am a frequenter of steemitabuse and as an individual with opinions which were shared there I would be happy to discuss them with masteryoda 1 on 1, but he is not obliged to do so if he does not want to.
Let it be known that I have shared my personal views directly to masteryoda on the slack, sharing honestly and openly things which he obviously did not agree with or enjoy, and did not respond to (he does not have to respond). But that is how life works. I have never downvoted masteryoda nor have I lobbied to have him downvoted. I would not characterize the content of the opinions shared on the steemitabuse slack as slander or hate. Neither would I consider all of his posts as plagiarism once attribution is given. My issue is more philosophical, and I think it has already been said and there's no need to go into it any more.
This is pretty serious accusations you are throwing here. Frankly I don't image anyone bothering to "conspire" about your case, and even less @ned and other whales caving in under "pressures" in particular concerning a matter as mundane as the relative value of your photography posts. Given that you are the one who started to cry "slander" because some curators have dared to challenge you on your definition of fair use, I hope that you have really sound evidence to back your claims.
Evidence > accusations.
Please, please, please, don't let these idiots hound you out; at the end of the day, you presented your posts in a particular way, nicely curated and well thought out.
I voted for you several times and I loved your week in pictures, people were jealous because of the fact you had started something before they were here and they can't handle that fact.
Ignore them, keep posting, if people want to vote they'll vote, the flag abusers are only harming themselves in the long run.
Cg
Actually you do not removed any of your posts yet. And you (and any other author here) could not make this thing - remove any post.
STEEM is a blockchain based technology - this means any written words can not be revoked. All the "Edit" button effect is only steemit.com site visual content representation. In fact "removed" posts are still located in blockchainn.
It is important to remember - all your activity on STEEM is logged forever.
What % of this site knows this? I would say 20% tops. People should be very thoughtful with what they write because of this. Thanks for reminding us.
I really hope you don't rage quit. We'd all lose out if you did. I'm really sorry to hear about other conversations that have gone on which were not respectful. For my part, I've really enjoyed the dialog here. Full disclosure, that's my wife's post. Prior to you highlighting it here, it had very little $ attention (even after getting linked to by @anyx's front page trending post). She posted it (and I also got involved) not out of envy, jealousy, or some such thing, but out of a deep desire for justice, fairness, and ethics in the world. There was something going on that not only didn't feel right, it also seemed to go against our current understanding of the law. That, to me, puts the reputation of this site (steemit.com, we won't even get into the blockchain implications of all this) at risk. That puts us all at risk. We've seen takedowns of entire websites because of copyright infringement and those sites may have had no direct financial incentives to those sharing other people's work (like we have here on Steemit). This early on in this experiment, it's important to lay down the foundations which will last a long time. If a respected, influential member of the community like yourself is rewarded for a practice which might increase the existential risk for the entire platform, is that something we should all be concerned about? Others would naturally follow the same practices, maybe not taking as much care as you did to site your sources. It's possible those individuals alone would be at risk, but again, I've seen too many examples where the entire site goes away.
As for those who are jealous, insecure, and petty: ignore them. Their tragic expressions of unmet needs deserve sympathy and maybe a little pity, but nothing more. There are far more people here who want everyone to succeed.
If you feel the need to take down your previous posts to protect yourself, that's an understandable decision. If you do so, I hope it's for your own reasons, not because someone forced you in any way. That, to me, is the beauty of this entire model: no force is needed. Community standards are changing and evolving via conversation. That's a beautiful thing.
That's a funny joke/hyperbole, but it's not really accurate. Again, there's no coercion here. We can act as adults and make our own decisions.
My wife and I were really happy about your last post and how you used public domain images. That, to me, was a great sign of positive change! Curating great content should be rewarded. Just copying a page (from a news site or elsewhere) where someone else did the curation seems less valuable to me (but that's just my opinion).
In closing, I want to apologize if anything I've personally said came across in a rude or insensitive manner. I truly hope you change your mind about modifying all your old content or, if you must, own the decision as your own and not one that was forced upon you.
I hope this will pass, and we can all enjoy great photos from you in the future.
Things that don't get big payouts usually go unnoticed as they also have less visibility. But personally I respect you and your own opinion on the matter, sadly mine in an SEO perspective differs. Clearly for the organic visibility of the platform, others might be jealous but curation is subjective afterall.
I know I also got overly aggressive and we had a big fight on Slack, I apologized to you and publically apologize. After things calmed down and we talked more civilized.
I dont mind people saving things they like on Steem but hopefully we can have boards like Pinterest or similar but no-indexed so Google doesn't look at Steem like a low quality - duplicate content - link farm website .
This is the snippet from Slack after we chatted and I think people should read it before they go on hating you.
" @talerecursion (nickn) @repholder and @anyx explained to me how duplicate text can hurt steem SEO efforts, so I will make sure i'll use custom text because i like this project an i want it to succeed and i hold vests because of that, regarding the photography, i beg to differ, we had a long discussion on the thread below, and even a lawyer pitched in to explain his legal point of view, i'm posting mostly photography that has made the news, so it's kind of news reporting which is accepted under fair use license, anyway only a judge can decide that, not you or me and as the lawyer pointed out, if there is damage done, the party will issue a takedown request to the webhost or steem. As long as the photographers themselves are ok with some of their notorious photos being published all over the web, i don't think it's a problem. here's the discussion:
https://steemit.com/steemitabuse/@corinnestokes/re-posting-other-peoples-photos-videos-on-steemit-fair-use-vs-commercial-use#@sean-king/re-corinnestokes-re-posting-other-peoples-photos-videos-on-steemit-fair-use-vs-commercial-use-20160723t175131893z"
Your a cool guy and down to earth. Here have an upvote.
I mean no offense by this, but from an SEO perspective why should steemit get the relevance for these posts anyways? The content is in the blockchain, it's not on steemit, and it's very likely that the same content will exist elsewhere on some other website using the same blockchain.
As a developer myself I understand why you want as much SEO relevance as you can get, don't get me wrong. It would help steemit grow organically. But you also have to accept that the content on any site site may exist other places and may not be unique. It's not always a bad thing.
Edit: to just close out that thought with my opinion - I don't think absolute copy/paste content is OK, it's kind of spammy and the only redeeming quality it could have is being a backlink. But if you use an asset that you're legally allowed to use (from elsewhere) on steemit, it should be fine, and you shouldn't get brigaded by down votes.
SteemIT is a frontend that is indexed in Google and other engines.
True that the content on any site site may exist in other places, a small detail here is that content needs to have supporting content of your own or it's basically worthless organically.
I totally agree. #decentralized means that there is no authority that orders people to obey their rules.
This is decentralized social media and we are #free.
#love each other, don't #hate
While the blockchain may be hard to censor, frontends to it (like Steemit), which essentially are just companies running a website, are not. Just wait and see what happens, if they start getting a shitload of nice, fluffy DMCA requests for copyright violations. This is not the 1990s. If copyrights are beeing violated, things tend to get ugly very quick nowadays.
Sorry to see you go, I loved your space post. :(
I uploaded a couple of videos and photos myself, trying to be succesful like you and get some bucks, obviously nothing happened and i only got some cents from them, but i dont hate you for that. its just luck i guess. People's lust for money is driving them insane, dude. if you make 2k per post, i truly feel happy for you, i dont understand whats going on with all this hate against the trending posts. Keep doing your thing, i enjoy the photos and videos that you share
It isn't only luck, it is consistency and reputation. @masteryoda has been finding and sharing great content for months and has developed a following. If your content is excellent as his has been, then you can develop a following as well, but it takes time and persistence.
you're right, cant compare months of work to a week in here.
I can understand your frustration, and I don't think you've been breaking any rules, so vehement slandering of your name is probably unnecessary, but I will say two things:
You've made a pretty substantial amount of money already, with very little effort. Some people are putting a lot of effort into writing quality stuff, while you've cornered the market on selecting other people's content to post here. Not that your selections aren't good (clearly they are, or no one would be voting for them), but given the effort:reward ratio, I'm not really sure why you're complaining.
More importantly, you're right in that it's not written anywhere that only original content can be posted - but just because we can post other people's content here doesn't mean we should. I've occasionally posted something from elsewhere on the internet because I think it's worthy of praise, but instead of spending all my time doing that, I prefer to focus my efforts on creating original, thoughtful, valuable content, because that's the kind of thing I want to see on Steemit. Perhaps the message everyone is sending you here is that they want the same thing - because if everyone does things your way just because it's profitable, Steemit will cease to be original and just become another infinite loop of reposted content on the internet. In my opinion, we don't need another one of those.
The bottom line, and Steemit rule number one: what's popular today might not be popular tomorrow. So my suggestion is to focus on changing your strategy rather than complaining because it's fallen out of fashion.
Seconded.
To be the first hard. It is a difficult path. I'm trying to develop an idea of goodness and charity on STEEMIT, because I believe that in the future he may become one of the best places for this. I don't need no glory not the money. But I was constantly trying to blame my dishonesty. I understand you Master. We have to fight. Look at all these people for you. Continue.
fuck me sideways!. this gif is amazing
Don't you mean .. Why I Removed All My Posts ...
After making 100,000 dollars in a couple of weeks
This is needlessly negative, no?
I don't think so. I'm just highlighting what I believe is gargantuan hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. Das just me tho.
You can't delete old post though.
what is in blockchain can never die!
But I do get your sentiment, I hope I didn't contribute to your disenchantment with steemit.
I know what you mean because at times I felt a bit bitter too, for different reasons but the bitterness can make a once awesome experience less enjoyable.
That being said, if you give up now, you're only playing into the haters hand.
Please don't :)
boohoo ... your posts among other reposts made me stop posting my original work ... how about that ?
His wealth also encourages others to take the same path.
Someone are trying to design a bot to control the original of the posts, pictures and so on. Hope that'll help someone who needed. Because of the worldwide internet, a lots of thing lost their original due to uncontrolled spread and share.
Search for "mediachain". Someone had a great idea for a blockchain solution.
hi!
please don't leave.
i agree with one thing, the content we are posting should be ours, or at least you have to give credit to the person creating it.
some will say, well dude, my friends posts pictures which they found online all the time.
yes, i know but the difference is, that normally on facebook a picture is not visible to anybody except your friends (at least if you set it up that way in acccount privacy)
but there is one more important point, if you earn money here, than you have commercialy profited from someone else work. so we cant complain if they try to sue if there work is used without their content.
I have many musicans and artist as friends, they even share for free on soundcloud etc. but they get all pissed if someone else making money of their work.
so lets be fair to the artist, without them our lifes would be so much more boring!?
if you agree give me a little upvote on this comment, and please give steemit a try, just ignore these guys trying to kill you here!
https://steemit.com/steemit/@knozaki2015/my-upvote-was-worth-5-06-usd-25300-or-how-to-earn-the-maximum-curation-reward
Thanks - have upvoted!
"if it is forbidden to also allow external content, it cannot survive!" - Because people here are too incompetent to come up with high quality unique content? Right.
Well, written but one of the most bizarre arguments I've heard.
Why should we risk the site being sued and possibly shut down because your feelings got hurt? Unfortunately when money is evolved, people(copyright holders) will be far less forgiven if they choose to start pursuing. If we can demonstrate that we are a pro-active community it makes it harder for them to do harm to us..
@masteryoda, you need to learn what represent the copyright and how it works. Also you need to learn what is difference between fair use-commercial use-copyright infringement . As I see, all the content which is not created by you represent COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
All the content which is used here represent commercial use (you make money from it) and you need to license this content
Everything is very clear, you cannot use content which is created by someone else. And please stop with your hedonist mentality. If you like something just buy it or pay the correct price. Till then you just steal the works of others and makes money from it. I was very surprised to see that here are people who promote a such mentality. We are in 2016 !!!! Wake up!!!
This is upsetting to read. But this is internet, it is a dark and nasty placed filled with terrible horrors.
I say just keep swimming man, don't let these idiots get to you.
Success is always the envy of people who consider other people's money
It's all about timing I guess @masteryoda
@masteryoda ,I do feel the same way too. The feeling of being limited to what I want to post regardless if its mine or not. All I want is to inform everybody, what I want to share, to have insights from them, and to create conversations that will lead to some bonds and ties. Sometimes I dont mind getting rewards because I have all time in a day. But because of some envious users, things were flipped into other side. My question is, Why not be contented and be happy to others???
And to those who are still indifferent to some users, allow me to tell you this "We are being manipulated by the whales and bots. There is no standards here nor ISO Certification made by the SteemIt itself, and if there's any, you can find it on yourself. Go and free yourself, express what you feel and share what you have to share."
Freedom.
hey at least you're honest that takes courage. sorry this happened to you.
If steemit getting to strict regarding copyright or license then its getting worst.
there are plenty of photography that stated in free- license, from all your post you credited the sources and its ok
I have cross posted content that I have and was confronted. I am posting disclaimers now when I do that. I have been lucky. When I tell them that I own the content they back down. There is not really any comprehensive new user orientation but this could be just attributed to how new the platform is. There is definitely hidden cultural ethic that seems to haunt the place. You find out afterwords what is out of line. I am pretty conserative on most of my posts but I do have one downvote. I am not sure the person even read my post. If you read it, it just says that I really like the platform and am willing to take some pain in the process of posting and producing content. https://steemit.com/steemit/@iamwne/a-little-pain-a-little-pleasure-steemit-bondage Perhaps the pictures were too much.. mosts of my posts are more timid and tries to bolster the platform. https://steemit.com/steemit/@iamwne/persistence-approach-to-steemit-a-practical-guide
It absolutely sucks that this happened to you, and honestly I've been feeling the same about posts. Since it seems to be a lot of reposted contented recently, hoping for the upvotes that bring revenue and its like -- You used to sit and facebook, reddit all day for free IF you make money on your post congratulations but this site is giving you the ability to do what you did and then possibly make money, this isn't a job.
Here, as in any society, there are good and bad people who agree and disagree. From it can not escape. We must come to terms.
Masretyoda, don't give up please! I've seen excellent photos in your blog. This cheetah thing is too dumb, maybe they'll fix it.
None of my posts contain anything of value to anybody but myself lately. It's not the same, boring.
Don't give up! I'm confident it will become stable in a month or two, please never give up, we are here to support each other!
I can understand your disappointment. Please continue despite of negative comments. I appreciate content that is shared because people like to share it. Just mention the originial source and you make content of those people more available - they will be happy about it. I think once they realize you make money from their content, they shall contact you, you can make an agreement and they continue posting their own content. This will create a win-win situation.
what can i say..
I don't see a problem to post other people stuff as long as you give them credit. This is a very old rule when you work with other's intellectual property. So, please don't give up. The choices you make what is interesting to you is something of you that you share with us.
You cannot post other people stuff in a commercial use.. you need to have license. Is very clear!
Keep share !!! If you want !!!
democracy, its easy to hurt someone, its hard to rebuild, so dont leave.
I don't mind, i post about fossils, hardly any readers. Just staying true.
all due respect, voting rewards money out of a fixed pool. There's already a huge disparity and most people posting original content get no reward at all. While you have a bunch of bots and follow lists paying you thousands of dollars to repost pictures from other websites. I think its perfectly reasonable for people to object to that...
You are absolutely right sir. Steemit SHOULD be a decentralized place for all of us, but it is just another playground for haters and manipulators.
What we need is not to get rid of whales, but rather change the community's perspective on how things should be run. We shouldn't be posting something solely out of profit - the aim is to achieve a social media platform for everyone, instead of a get rich quick platform.
Also, we've gotta make the platform more decentralized. Power is centralized, owner owns majority of the currency in the system. The owners can do whatever they want, as they own the site.
However, quitting doesn't really help. We need MORE people like YOU to campaign for change, instead of backing out and giving up. We need MORE voices like YOU even if we're not getting the attention that we need.
I just hope that Steemit can be a better place for all of us in the future.
someone on the photography steemslack was very aggressive towards me and reporte one of my posts for advertising it to the wrong channel.my subject was Arts .I guess considering photography Art its a crime. we need to make this more visible .I ll try to get his name
I don't like this post cause its bad news!
So I upvote him. What can you do in this situation? Nothing,
Hey, I'm so sad to hear that and I only joined few days ago, my experience has been amazing, few haters but thats normal! Im sorry you having these issues, is there a way to report people who are abusive and trolling? Good luck :) Alla x
Haters are always going to hate. Don't let it ruin your experience. The thing about Steemit and earning, is there will always be those that criticize. I think that people are starting to forget what social media is. It's not about blogging 100% original content for every single post. We share things on FB and Twitter every day that are important news stories, youtube videos, memes, art, links, etc. That's what social media is. Now that you have a platform that rewards people, some seem to think that if what you shared is not 100% original, created by you, then you don't deserve any money.
Well, consider this, I could create the most awesome piece of content, yet I have zero or very little following. It can be the greatest content to ever hit the internet, and people may never know. So, unless someone else on social media, shares it to their users and followers, it will never go viral.
So, who really deserves the reward? What is this really all about?
If I created a great Youtube video, and someone, anyone shared it on their platform, and that led to growth in my following and brand, I'd say it's well worth them getting their slice.
In the social media world, content creators do not make things go viral, the people who enjoy the content and share it, are what is viral.
That being said, I see the arguments against plagiarism, and I really do enjoy some of the original content here.
eventhough those we take and article or picture from another source as long its have a usefull information i do not think its bad for steemit
There are a lot of users like your content here, it would be sad if you quit because of a bot or a couple of users who downvoted you. We know better.
But still you have upvotes. I am jealous with guys like you @masteryoda
Dont be worry, stay positive)
very good post you
As with anything that involves people, there will always be a few who feel the need to try to hammer their will onto others, And we all know how the interwebs work, the anonymity gives the unpowerful a large hammer.
i very good post
Thanks for your post!) Hello from Ukraine)))welcome to my blog)I hope you like!!
You make good points. I agree with you that a post should get whatever it's really worth without people acting out of envy or jealousy to try to put a cap on the value of a post. I can understand if a post is abusive then maybe and if your post had some sort of questionable or illicit content then maybe not vote for it, or maybe flag it, but if the post follows the rules and no one is hurt then I see no point to voting it down.
The issue with voting it up if it's illicit is that if known whales do this like Ned or Dan then it could effect their reputations. Reputations they must maintain to do business with others who believe in copyright even if they might not. At the same time if you get anonymous or pseudo-anonymous votes from minnows then this in my opinion should be okay. There are countries in the world where copyright doesn't matter and not everyone is a US citizen.
I feel you man i post bunch of my photography work but still :'( heart ache .
Hear Hear
Cry louder and you receive more powerups. Now you can leave steem with huge success.
I cannot agree more, jealous people are everywhere and they even bully a 14 year-old girl because of being liked too much, they said she is fake and the whale is standing behind just to cash out their money. I know it isnt true though. They gathered and kept demanding her to verify herself and I think its funny. Just keep on doing what you want, haters gonna hate anyway ;)
@masteryoda I don't know if you remember our Slack conversation, but basically the conversation was about how I wasn't able to pick up any traction and you said something along the lines of just post what makes you happy. Well, my next post I did, and it hit and it was entirely about just posting what makes you happy, I am pretty sure it would have kept going if the site had not gone down 2 hours after I posted it. Like many others have said, maybe you just need a step back, you are an inspiration to many here and nobody wants to see you go. just my three cents.
@masteryoda, I have to admit I am one that has come full circle on how I feel about non original content posts like the ones you do. First I was a little jealous that you would gain such votes with a copy job, but as I spent more time on Steemit my feelings changed. To get up votes you either must create a name for yourself, have really good content, or get really lucky. Let me say your name is really bad ass. Who doesn't love yoda. Next, every time one of your posts scrolled through my dash, I liked seeing it. I knew it was not original, but you carefully select things to post and it helps to break up the blah blah blah of all these intro and other rambling posts about who knows what. Sometimes it is just nice to view some beautiful images, and that is a service you provide. If I were to give any constructive criticizm, I think you probably could do better in citeing the original photographer at times, not just the publication. Also, if you were to link each sighting of the source to the actual photographers blog, facebook page, etc. I think you will find the "new" Steemit community to be more accepting of non original content posts.
Also, this is a message to all the ones who would seek to bring down @masteryoda . This is a community where we should build each other up, and help guide and give advice, not be hateful and resentful. Lets not forget our place in this world. Every major news outlet, blog, website, etc uses works that are not fully their own. Every where you look there are stock and limited distribution photographs being used for all sorts of purposes. The simple fact is as @masteryoda states:
"Finally, I would like to defend those of us who like to post stuff they like, even if they did not make it, it’s a right we have by all laws of the universe. This place will turn into a compilation of mugshots, and low quality content and articles if it is forbidden to also allow external content, it cannot survive!"
I am agree with you, but the way to improbe it is from inside, if you get out community will be weakest, we need you masteryoda
Wow, I know how you feel and I a new user. I have been flagged for reposting some of my personal post. I was only trying to see if a different title would make a difference on how many views it got, After it only got 6 or so likes. I felt that it just wasn't being seen. But apparently that isn't allowed
I'm just going to speak up here and say I don't know how to remove posts. Tried, failed. How??
One thing I will agree with you about... The power some of these people hold they are holding it like its a crime to share! When I joined I was under the impression I was joining a community, a group of people living & partaken in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common. Obviously we are not living together but some of us has particular characteristics in common and we are all on this platform. I hope you have a change of mind I feel some of the whales and other's do not understand truly how to bring everyone in accord & will eventually take true charge and spread energy rightfully so we can spread and make this 100000x better and stronger! @masteryoda stay with us and keep inspiring.
Supporting you on this. So many funny people here nowadays.
Just looking over your post masteryoda. Please don't leave. I too love photography and have posted some of mine from over the years. You do provide beautiful content and put much original effort an opinions along side. Inspires me to do better on steemit. Cheers Mick
https://steemit.com/travel/@daycrypter/blockchaining-some-of-my-favoutite-travel-pic-s-i-took-over-the-years
Totally disagree, if this platform starts to have original content it will have a stronger and exclusive content on the web. An external user may find an original article about depression or denial here on Steemit, for example. And if more and more contents born here, it's natural to say that this "library" will continue to grow each day.
By posting other people text, photos just by copy and paste it it's wrong! I'm not against sharing other things that aren't made by you (creator), but if a user uses them in a context or analysing them, putting some PERSONAL touch on it, giving an personal view or opinion, them the material the user used fit more in the category of "source" / "bibliografy".
Now I didn't understand what you're going to do... at least you're profiting for your sadness, nice profits while complaining.... only on steemit! lol
PS: I have nothing against you, I follow what you've been posting and have my own opinion. Some days ago I started to redflag all your stuff... (that bot posted the link to the original source where you got the images). But then, I thought that I sould check that last post, and it was not an 100% copy, it was more like a compilation, and you had used aso the credits to the original post... so I went back and removed all of the redflags...
Although I don't agree 100% on what or how you're doing, I didn't want to push or bully no one here. Maybe you need to cooldown a little, use all the funds from this post (more than 4500$ for complain... only on steemit again)... and take a travel... write about it and share.. maybe you'll have some original content then..
Cheers m8 Namaste!
How did you remove all your posts?
you have every right to be upset, but the truth is; if an observation is made know, what i would expect you to do is to wait for peoples feedback and see what reaction people have towards your observatoin , and also probably watch and see what the communit perspective is on the community forum. this can now give at least the direction that is fit to take whather positive or otherwise.. but i deeply think we need you here. so please dont leave
And more, this post of a crying user has reached the top of the listings, while a IMPORTANT and REAL issue that can affect all in the world goes low profile..
This also shows that this platform lacks Maturity in all sorts of levels.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@brunopro/very-important-if-you-re-in-europe-this-is-the-most-important-post-you-ll-see-today-regulators-are-deciding-the-future-of-europe
Now you decide if your upvote has more meaning here or an REAL post with REAL things....
I see all the post on your blog? what did you delete? wtf? care to explain?
Is this a post scam and people fall to it?
i completely agree with you these people act as if the platform is their creation and that it is their money being used to vote on content they don't like.
Some even create accounts just so they can give out more down-votes on posts they think is making to much money.
Its ridiculous they have some vision in their head that they're imposing on everyone.
This platform is supposed to be free and there needs to be a wide diversity of content created, and shared from many different sources.
now that Steemit is hereI really don't have much interest in other social media sites i would rather stay right here on Steemit and if people share content from other places and people find value in it and vote that is their business and right to use their property in any way that they feel as long as they're are not trespassing on other rights.
But man dont leave dont let them win they are being evil dictators thinking justifying their action in the name of protecting Steemit.
We cant give in to their jealous intent .
We have to fight back till they stand down.
Totally agree with you, mate, we're on your side
Masteryoda is spot-on, if only purely original content is allowed it will be a bunch of low-quality nonsense. Do you think Facebook forces people to not put good unoriginal content on it?
What I have come to realize is that you can't please everyone. From what I have learned about the Steem community, this is a place where people can share and discuss their common interests. If you enjoy sharing photography that you have found and think it is worthy of sharing with other people, then by all means that is your right. Only thing is to give credit where credit is due and by the sounds and looks of it, you do just that. Ignore all the negative responses, down votes, and haters - obviously there are a lot more people who support and value the material you share. I hope you will continue to post, share, and make this community a stronger and better place.
Haters gonna hate, I'm ok with it as long as there is a source posted with it.
I was almost removed from this earth for going to Area 51.
https://steemit.com/area/@steve-mcclair/area-51-steemit-has-arrived#comments
I understand where these hateful people are coming from but it makes no damn sense to me.. Ever since the internet existed people have been sharing content, as long as its not claimed as yours I don't see a problem.
Trolls are starting to feed. You have my sympathy and my support. Also, the downvoting. What's with that? I wrote a solid post, did very well. A few hours before payout it got slammed with more than 20 downvotes. Not one of them commented or gave a reason for doing so. Knocked almost $3k off the reward. Why? What is with people? Can't they see this is a good thing for everyone? I don't understand.
You know something? After reading this whole thread one thing I have to say is that it's incredibly refreshing to see people having a conversation and articulating themselves (even when in disagreement) in a way that doesn't involve being assholes to each other. THIS is why I came here and left the other online playgrounds. I see people here explaining their sides intelligently, and actually LISTENING to one another. I see downvotes going pretty much only to the people who are posting irrelevant posts.
The incentive here is real. I've been here a week and I'm still in awe at the way people are to one another here by and large.