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[–]Harpua1983redditor for 14 days[S] [スコア非表示]  (39子コメント)

He didn't live in the states. Never stepped foot on the soil. Never worked in the U.S. But just like Mega he must face the judgement of the tyrannical copyright lobbyists and Murica's so called justice system.

[–]iupqmv [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

Server (or some of the servers) were in US and that made it all US jurisdiction.

[–]Zarutian [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Why are you so sure of that of renting server hardware in US makes it all US jurisdiction?

It is a dubious as renting server hardware in the Netherlands making it all Netherlands juridiction.

[–]Ashlir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because murica is the only jurisdiction that counts. All others are apparently void when murica is involved.

[–]TaleRecursionredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I don't see the contradiction. Whatever happens in Ukraine, Poland or Netherland is also US jurisdiction.

[–]Zarutian [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't see the contradiction.

So, you are okay with laws of one country being applied in another?

[–]rabbitlion [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

That's not what made it US jurisdiction. The key factor is that the victims of the crime, the copyright holders, are US citizens and corporations.

[–]Anduckk [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Victims of the crime..

US defines that they're victims of something happening somewhere, not necessarily even inside the US.

So everyone now need to follow laws of all countries?

[–]chriswheeler [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Imagine if Turkey made it a crime to insult Edrogan, and then suddenly started requesting citizens of other countries be extradited to Turkey to face punishment for that crime...

[–]skyfire-x [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

[–]chriswheeler [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hah, that's quite bad. Although slightly different as the guy is being prosecuted for breaking a German law while in Germany.

Under section 103 of the [German] criminal code, insults against organs or representatives of foreign states are punishable with up to three years in prison, or three months to five years if a court judges the insult to be slanderous.

[–]Bayden [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or what if some American ran a website that allowed people to watch copyrighted Turkish television shows and then the Turkish government extradited him to Turkey and then fucked his ass.

[–]rabbitlion [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This isn't something US specific and it's not as bad as you think. There are various crimes that you can commit over the internet without being in the country. You can steal from someone, you can defraud someone, you can assault someone (threaten to kill them). In many of these cases involving people in more than one country, you could get tried in either country, but the country where the victims are tend to be the ones most interested in going after you.

There are also various offline crimes that can get you prosecuted in the US even when committed abroad, such as counterfeiting US currency or having sex with a child.

In general though, you can only be extradited for things that are illegal in both countries, and the US will only actively go after you if there's some US involvement. You won't get extradited and prosecuted in the US for using drugs or hiring a prostitute in Amsterdam, for example.

I'm not certain what the Ukrainian copyright laws or extradition laws look like, but if this is not illegal there he might have some grounds to contest the extradition in a court.

[–]prozacgod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bingo, and All-in-all this case honestly doesn't scream loudly of overstep.

They had correlative evidence, followed THAT chain of evidence, filed proper legal paperwork based on evidence to obtain more. To find an actual target, and extradited and face charges.

That's proper police work, really... it's not even a 'bitcoin' story, a lot of companies were compelled to give up information on illegal activities.

[–]KellyMPD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not certain what the Ukrainian copyright laws or extradition laws look like, but if this is not illegal there he might have some grounds to contest the extradition in a court.

They won't matter. He was arrested in Poland.

[–]TaleRecursionredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So everyone now need to follow laws of all countries?

Not all countries, only the USA

[–]tehbored [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, that's irrelevant. The servers are what matter here. Part of the criminal operation took place on US soil, that's why they can justify extradition.

[–]CrazyCarlsCrazyCraneredditor for 28 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Location of the servers does not matter. The victims of the alleged crime are US citizens and corporations. That's how. Not only that, we extradited plenty of people who were located in other countries while committing an alleged crime against a US citizen or corporation.

In 1988, Noriega was indicted by the United States on drug trafficking charges in Miami, Florida, and shortly thereafter, in the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama he was removed from power, captured, detained as a prisoner of war, by the United States and flown to the United States. Noriega was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering in April 1992. On September 16, 1992, he was sentenced to 40 years in prison (which was later reduced to 30 years).

We invaded another country in order to extradite Noreiga. The alleged victims of his crime were US citizens and corporations.

[–]classic_katapult [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's how it works, if they would have routed some traffic through Uganda, then it would make the WHOLE a case for the ugandan justice system.

And they all would be extradicted to Uganda.

/s

[–]Sugar_Daddy_Peter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

His servers were here! Invade his country and get him!

[–]waynemor12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey if you don't like America then you can just get off the planet. Simple solution. /s

[–]satoshicoin [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Did they have a choice?

[–]MortuusBestia [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

No choice at all as "comply or be destroyed" isn't a choice.

Without compliant businesses like coinbase Bitcoin would have no where near the value it currently does. They are the major on ramps and without them the majority of bitcoins speculative value would evaporate.

The simple reality is that we need compliant companies in order to reach the stage where we no longer need them.

[–]virtualGain [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

nah bro lets keep this in our parents basement and silk road..

it amazes me that people in this sub actually think that coinbase should somehow not comply with a legal subpoena for information.

[–]xHeero [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There are a lot of people here who are extremely anti-government and anti-authority. It's pretty clear why bitcoin draws them in. Unfortunately, they tend to extend that viewpoint to everyone else, assuming that everyone else should or does share their opinion.

Personally I want to see bitcoin continue to grow and grow. For that to happen, we absolutely need legally compliant businesses focused around bitcoin such as coinbase.

[–]suhdudeeatfreh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What draws you to Bitcoin if not a sentiment of anti-authority? There's plenty of other ways to send $ over the Internet. Genuinely curious.

[–]Elrond_the_Ent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I won't be using Coinbase again, made my last transaction on there yesterday before I heard about this. They can go fuck themselves and stop requiring IDs like they're a bank and stop logging IPs, to say the least.

Local bitcoin is where it's at.

[–]Digital-Tokyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree I don't understand what reality some of these commenters live in. We need coinbase as a legit onramp, people thinking one can change the worlds laws overnight or that bitcoin companies should not comply with the laws (either just or unjust) is just plain silly. Bitcoin won't ever grow if the companies and services around it don't play the game a bit.

As for torrents/copyright/ect that is whole other issue that coinbase cannot solve by themselves nor would they make much of an impact by denying a request (except maybe being sued and going under). If using coinbase goes against your morals don't use it. Risk/Reward.

[–]CrazyKZGredditor for 8 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bad Opsec by the owner. Should have used private wallet for btc, not coinbase.

[–]herzmeister [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

wow, he didn't try very hard to protect his identity. wondering why it took them so long them.

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Do you think they wanted to monitor him? Maybe they think he isnt the guy behind it. Sort of like in the war on drugs. They dont like to go after the guys in the streets. They want the guys running the show. At least thats what i heard.

[–]harpake [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I guess that's why the war on drugs was/is so successful.

[–]dizzytitanredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Nah man, it just needs more funding that's all. The only way to catch drug dealers is with cash traps.

[–]erlugoorredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's all? And the corruption and complicity of bureaucrats?

[–]M-A-Barakatredditor for 22 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Search YouTube for addiction in a nutshell.

You might get an other perspective on the WOD!

[–]Elrond_the_Ent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Obviously you don't know much about the war on drugs. They only go after drug users and street level dealers, that is a fact.

[–]ItsLightMan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The justice system can move very slowly.

In this case I imagine that he was being watched and the case was building. I imagine at first they simply didn't have enough to make it worthwhile. It was only when he really started to slip that they made their move.

Fuck them.

[–]belcher_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did he accept bitcoin donations via a coinbase wallet, or did he just sell bitcoins via coinbase's broker/exchange ?

[–]love_eggs_and_bacon [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Build a common perception that trading bitcoin is shady, and all exchanges will conform to prove they're legitimate to secure their own existence.

[–]xHeero [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Conforming to the law so that their businesses don't get sued/raided/shutdown is a good idea...from a business perspective.

[–]YouHaveNoRights [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is that regulators weren't interested in Bitcoin until the Bitcoin Foundation came along and cried out, "Hey! Come and regulate us!"

[–]fiatfailredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

As a company or even a normal person you would comply.

FBI:

Give us person X for the the following transactionsIDs! or we will destroy your business and cage you.

[–]danweber [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That's what a warrant is. Unless you are an anarchist, you accept that there are laws and all laws are backed up by the threat of force.

[–]Dastardlyrebel [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Anarchists believe in laws. They just don't believe in unjustified authority and domination.

[–]absurdparadox [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wow, a statement that I think anarcho-communists and anarcho-capitalists can agree on!

[–]Dastardlyrebel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes. Except anarcho capitalists support private tyrannies.

[–]absurdparadox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nice straw man. No they don't, cut that shit out.

[–]vdramaliev [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Why on earth would you use an exchange Bitcoin address for donations for your torrent website? Sounds like Mr. Vaulin got too comfortable with this operation.

[–]seweso [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or it's a fall guy. At least, that's what I would do.

[–]spartan1337 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Isnt that the beauty of bitcoin, that its anonymous and safe? Or is it all bs?

[–]TheHast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's as anonymous and safe as you make it.

[–]CJYP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's pseudo anonymous, not fully anonymous. The blockchain has a record of every transaction that anyone can see. It can be linked to you in several ways, the easiest being if you reuse addresses.

[–]RandomRealityChick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not if you use the bitcoin address on an exchange website that also retains your IP address.

[–]s1lverbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wonder how this coinbase snitching can be comparable to HSBC stunt?

We have both companies who should follow regulations. We have HSBC WHICH LAUNDERS SHIT LOADS OF MONEY FOR DRUG CARTELS, and we have poor torrent owner who made no more than 1milion bucks which was overblown by silly billy us gov. Now please explain why on earth we didnt heard any spectacular action towards HSBC?

[–]labellerredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As if I needed another reason not to use this terrible company...

[–]hatwearingshark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No kidding. Fuck companies that follow the law!

[–]Panda78 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

what a noob, he did not hide his identity at all! lol you accept bitcoin, and you use a wallet created on coinbase...you could have used paypal!

[–]DerangedWizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

no intermediary wallets, no washing. horrible opsec. guy must have thought he was invincible.

[–]BurninEpix [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Remember when coinbase was all the rage and was the top recommendation for beginner bitcoin users? Seems like so long ago now.

[–]onthefrynge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Testimony to the core values of bitcoin.

The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

I don't want to put Satoshi on a pedestal, I just think we would be good friends if we met at a pub.

[–]thedumbprogrammer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

More shady things coinbase contributes to. Glad I stopped using them.

[–]Iamnot_awhoreredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That article basically says that it was the IP address that link him to the site. But I thought IP address couldn't be used as identification towards person in a court of law? How will they prove without a doubt it was HIM that was using the computer to get on the site?

[–]LsDmT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it was more the fact that he confirmed his identity on his coinbase account and not his IP

[–]Piranhax [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I bet there's an Ethereum/ blockchain based torrent site coming soon.

[–]classna [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Fuck coinbase

[–]scottrobertson [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Yeah, fuck Coinbase for complying with legal requests

[–]danda [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Coinbase founders made a choice under which jurisdiction to operate, or to go into business at all.

Many others looked at the same landscape and decided to operate elsewhere, or avoid such a heavily regulated business model altogether.

I don't buy the "they have no choice but to comply" arguments. Its a weak copout.

[–]scottrobertson [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Given that Coinbase need to integrate with banking partners etc, they don't have as much choice as you think they do. Their entire business is to be an on and off ramp.

[–]danda [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I understand.

I simply don't believe their business needs to exist, at least not in current form. Also, each employee of that company has a choice each day whether to continue or not.

By encouraging a custodial/trust relationship and essentially acting as a bank (by default) they are leading bitcoin newbies in the wrong direction with a model that subverts bitcoin's very raison d'etre.

I contend that without these types of businesses, bitcoin might grow more slowly in a p2p fashion, but it would ultimately be a healthier and less centralized ecosystem.

[–]scottrobertson [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The beautiful thing about Bitcoin, is that those businesses can exist, and you don't have to use them.

[–]danda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

absolutely, I don't use them and never have. hopefully enough people will withdraw their support that Coinbase will shrink until it either learns better or disappears.

It's just sad to me to see people getting screwed over by them over and over again: funds frozen, documentation demands, exchange rate screwing, etc, etc. And with every new injustice, somebody here makes the claim that "Coinbase has no choice, don't blame them. Blame the system." Well sorry, you makes your bed and you lie in it. Coinbase has made choices all along that have led to this point. Others have made different choices and I support and promote their projects.

[–]TaleRecursionredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck KickAss Torrents for trusting Coinbase

[–]mamece2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I said FUCK COINBASE a long time ago...

[–]537311 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Last time I tell someone to use coin base. Never again.

[–]hybridsole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, there are so many other reputable Bitcoin exchanges who would tell the FBI and regulators to fuck off.

[–]erik1000000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They want the guys in the entire world.

[–]psychcat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Let that be a lesson, never go against the Corporations. They own you. Now bow down all you peons and worship the global overlords.