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What is your definition of racism? (self.AskTrumpSupporters)

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What is the criteria to say if someone said or not a racist comment?

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[–]InGodWeTrust1776Pinochetian minarchists for Trump! 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hating a individual members of the race for the actions of the collective. For instance, blacks commit more crime. Saying that blacks commit more crime isn't racist. However, saying that you hate a innocent black man because black men commit more crime is racist.

Noticing general trends of a collective is perfectly fine, it is only when you start applying that general trend to individuals that it gets problematic.

[–]CreaturaRationalisNimble Navigator -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Noticing general trends of a collective is perfectly fine, it is only when you start applying that general trend to individuals that it gets problematic.

How come? Race is statistically correlated with socially relevant traits like IQ and violent behavior, so why shouldn't people take this into account when making decisions like any other statistical correlation? Why should people just stick their head in the sand and pretend the truth isn't real just because it's "offensive"?

If we want to make America great again we need to stop with this politically correct bullshit and face the facts regarding race.

[–]InGodWeTrust1776Pinochetian minarchists for Trump! 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Noticing general trends is fine, like I said. You still can't just say "oh look this guys a black, so he's a criminal". It's a general trend, not a universal rule.

[–]blitznigNimble Navigator 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think by applying trends to the individual, he means assuming a black person (for example) to be a criminal because more black people commit crime. As in, "this guy is black and I'm in a poor area, he must be a criminal" rather than "this guy is black, I should be careful because I'm in a poor area". The former is definitely wrong because you're looking down on someone you don't know at all. The latter isn't wrong so long as you don't treat that person worse than you'd treat anyone else. Being aware is not being racist, but can lead to racism if it's unchecked.

[–]InGodWeTrust1776Pinochetian minarchists for Trump! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly correct.

[–]TheRover23Non-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correlation =\= causation just saying

[–]BegiantNimble Navigator 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

The actual definition of racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

If the comment fits the definition, it is racist...if it doesn't it is not racist.

[–]FawnediscNon-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

For example, if I generalize that all black as gangster. the Middle Easterners as terrorists, or Hispanics as criminals. They are racist comments.

[–]MoesCheeksNon-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"mexican/muslim isn't a race"

[–]FawnediscNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"jewish isn't a race"

[–]Maerez42Proud Hillary Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

as one of "the Hispanics" i can say that we are a race, a race of people that can look white (like myself), tan, and black (such as a Dominican/Haitian person). Also, please do not assume, mexican=hispanic, that just isn't true and is also a bigoted statement when put into certain context.

[–]zroxx2Non-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

"Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics."

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

[–]FawnediscNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

the comment of Senator Steve King are considered racist?

https://youtu.be/Ti5t1WXMs9k?t=29s

[–]Sinister-WarriorNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

No, he's right. Western civilization has contributed more to the world than any other. Theres a reason that the industrial revolution and the enlightenment happened in Western Europe- that reason isn't race, it is the fundamental institutions that make up the societies in Western Europe. The Magna Carta and the Glorious Revolution laid the societal groundwork for the enlightenment/industrial revolution.

I don't agree with him on the Christianity stuff because Eastern Europe largely wasnt included in the industrial revolution despite being Christian- however, it is directly because of the enlightenment and pluralism that western civilization pioneered.

[–]FawnediscNon-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I do not know his source to ensure that. I do not deny the contribution of Western culture. But to lessen the value of contributions from other cultures such as the powder, paper, the compass, Indo-Arabic numerals, algebra, alphabet, contributions to astronomy, medicine, philosophy, mathematics among many others. And define them as a 'subgroup', is not only a feeling of arrogance and supremacy, but also of ignorance.

EDIT:Now his comments have more sense Steve King provokes criticism for displaying Confederate flag

[–]IgnatiusCorbaNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

No one is denying that we use arabic numerals. You are being ridiculous for even bringing that up. Westerners didn't invent fire or the stone axe either. The point is that any cultures that did contribute a significant amount to the world (like the Mesopotamians or the phoneticians) are long long gone now.

[–]TheRover23Non-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Umm the Chinese Arabs and Indians are still around. They never disappeared. The Arabs were in a scientific golden age until the Mongol invasions. The Chinese invented a great many things such as the compass and gunpowder. The Indians helped invent our number system.

[–]IgnatiusCorbaNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, and that was 800 years ago. If you want the world to go back to how it was 800 years ago then that is your prerogative, but I don't think you will like it.

[–]TheRover23Non-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But these civilizations still contributed to human advancement. Things like the compass gunpowder and some of the foundations of scientific thought were invented by people outside of Europe. These were the things that allowed Europeans to dominate the world and they didn't even invent them themselves. Just because more inventions have come the west recently doesn't mean that other civilizations haven't contributed anything. Saying only recent inventions matter as you seem to be is just wrong and ignores a lot of the history of scientific advancement in favor of a European bias.

[–]aengvsNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mate there is so much technology coming out of Asia, what are you talking about

[–]testikronNon-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's still debatable, even to historians. He was making a definitive statement from a place of ignorance, that's why some consider it racist.

Human achievements have to be looked at as a whole, especially since there's been so much overlap and shared knowledge. In the entirety of human history it's definitely not most Western civilizations making the most progress.

[–]IgnatiusCorbaNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You really need to actually read some history yourself and understand how it is that humanity came to be in the amazing position it is in now. Yes obviously we took stuff from other cultures, you are being ridiculous by even using that as an argument. Obviously westerners didn't invent the fire and the stone axe.

[–]testikronNon-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Civilization began in Africa and the Middle East.The most common religions in the world are all Eastern, some of the greatest feats of engineering, mathematics, agriculture, politics, art, philosophy have been created by Eastern cultures. I really don't know what you're point is, my argument is that humanity is currently a worldwide product, and to say that it's mostly attributed to Western society isn't true.

[–]IgnatiusCorbaNimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The greatest feats of engineering, mathematics, and agriculture humanity has ever seen were all created in the last 50 years. This was made possible because of todays Western culture which champions freedom, the rule of law, and capitalism which lead to the industrial revolution. This culture has been building up over the last 1000 years in England specifically (but also the rest of Europe) and spilled out about 400 years ago.

Yes obviously the starting point 1000 years ago was the Roman empire and the Greeks and the mathematics and technology that came from came from China and the Islamic world. But that isn't relevant to the point.

The point is that if we don't want the world to slip back into the darkness of 1000 years ago then we need to protect Western civilisation, which is the only reason we are currently free to do as we please, be creative, and feel safe.

[–]MoesCheeksNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can see how its a dangerous path to go down. It seems to imply that one race is just biologically superior to others. When the truth is much more complex.

[–]zroxx2Non-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you need an example, here's one that many people would likely consider a racist comment:

"I love this quote, it's from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years."

[–]FawnediscNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where is the sense of hatred or racial superiority in her comment?

[–]jdw101Nimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Trump had said that you would be driving to his house with a picket. It's implying that Hindu's / Indians are gas station owners. This is an observation many of us make but aren't allowed to say because saying anything with a culture in it makes you a wacist!

I don't think it's racist but I know for a fact the left wing nutjobs would be all over this if Trump said it.

[–]DragofireheartNimble Navigator 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

your definition.

Not the correct question to ask.

[–]Brobi_WanKenobiNimble Navigator 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Racism is looking at someone and without any other information inferring that they are in some way inferior because of the way they look. A comment is racist if it implies that someone is inferior only because their race is inferior

[–]themooster32Nimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

But what if you thought they were different or would/say/think different things than other based on their race? What is that?

[–]Brobi_WanKenobiNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course other races are different. It isn't a secret that people tend to gravitate toward and identify with people who are similar to themselves. Accepting the difference and not having hate for others who are not the same as you isn't racist

[–]MoesCheeksNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't a secret that people tend to gravitate toward and identify with people who are similar to themselves.

This right here is what people call institutional racism. It may not be overt and malicious. But like you said it's an inadvertent and sad realty.

[–]TheUniverseis2DNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are two types:

1) Inductive generalizations where you infer from the actions of one individual that all individuals of the same race will behave in the same way.

2) Blind hatred or dislike for people of different races (or the same race as yourself). Xenophobia.

[–]LangesHolzNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2kKnzW4d8w

[–]youtubefactsbotNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"My name is Paul Weston, and I am a racist" [7:27]

Liberty GB leader Paul Weston in London, 19 June 2013.

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[–]Smash160Nimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, racism is, in my opinion the different treatment of any and all people based on their skin tone/race.

[–]Prez_MaterialNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hatred of a race based off of their genetics/who their parents were.

[–]NorthAtinMANon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any person who bases their decision on anything to do with race, be it good or bad. By way of example, "I gave the guy a job because he is black" is the same as "I didn't give a guy a job cause he was black".

[–]jdw101Nimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like your definition, that is the one I am going with thanks :)

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The Bell Curve: IQ, Race and Gender Charles Murray and Stefan Molyneux 0 - There's no such thing as racism. The word "Racism" is just a smear word that was invented to denigrate people who accept the scientific fact of race differences. I suggest you view this youtube playlist to educate yourself.

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[–]wtfmynamegotdeletedNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

When someone is judged based off the color of their skin besides the content of their character. With Trumps ban on Muslims entering the country I can't deny there are some racist elements to that, but there is nothing wrong with admitting that radical Islam is a problem in the world today.

[–]narwhalbackonNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

for that to be racist you would have to assume all arabs are muslims making you the racist.

[–]wtfmynamegotdeletedNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait... I'm racist?

[–]CreaturaRationalisNimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's no such thing as racism. The word "Racism" is just a smear word that was invented to denigrate people who accept the scientific fact of race differences.

I suggest you view this youtube playlist to educate yourself.

[–]MoesCheeksNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the KKK wasn't racist?

[–]InGodWeTrust1776Pinochetian minarchists for Trump! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree for the most part. Racism is a rather useless term invented by Trotskyites in a attempt to overthrow Western order of law.

[–]TheDirtyKangarooNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, but this is a myth.

[–]TheDirtyKangarooNon-Trump Supporter -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Power and privilege are important in distinguishing racism.