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[–]Sytev -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why do people insist on conflating alcohol's inhibition lowering effect and alcohol "making" you do or say something.

It's not a psychogenic drug, it just makes you less likely to stop yourself from acting on thoughts and urges that are already there.

It's almost like people want endless rights and none of the responsibility to respect other's rights.

[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think you're underestimating the effects of the rational decision making process while drunk and downplaying it.

it just makes you less likely to stop yourself from acting on thoughts and urges that are already there.

That's completely not true and exactly why people look back with regret and embarrassment on stupid things they did while drunk. It's why getting someone wasted and start having them sign contracts is not legal. Among lots of other things... Which I wonder if that's why this post feels so loaded?

[–]Sytev -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Eh, maybe I've just not put it in a clear way.

There's a difference between making a decision without the same level of consideration and concerns, and outright having an impulse or urge that you wouldn't have had otherwise.

Alcohol absolutely demolishes your ability to make rational decisions - it may be the primary factor as to why you act on the urge to tell your boss to go fuck themselves, but simply having a drink won't be the underlying cause of that urge.

We all have a lot of impulses and urges that we suppress, consciously or subconsciously, and those subconsciously suppressed thoughts (a really good example of this is appropriate places to urinate) are the ones that lead to regret when our internal filters switch off.

It's basically the underlying issue with the "but he was blackout drunk when he raped her" defence apologists love - if alcohol can actually generate that kind of urge, then its validates that pile of shit argument.

[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I think you're getting a bit too hung up on stupid arguments from shitty people. Being drunk doesn't excuse you from any crime... Rape or otherwise... (in theory, unfortunately the law doesn't always come through) so it doesn't really matter what apologists say.

You can't drive, rape or murder people and then be excused because you were drunk.

Suggesting that everything you do drunk is something that you WANT to do sober, but you just suppress it consciously or subconsciously, is just 100% wrong. Dangerous thinking too - very redpill/rapist like. "She wanted it." or "Make sure you get her drunk and get drunk yourself"

How about a more light hearted example? A good friend of mine pissed on a cop car in college (GOOD NEWS REDDIT HE AVOIDED THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY AMAZINGLY ) and when he found out what happened when it was explained to him the next day, he felt like a complete asshole and took his punishment. Are you telling me that he secretly wants to piss on every cop car he sees?

[–]Sytev -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, not at all - I think the bit we are having communication issues on is the implications back to sobriety.

To stick with your friends example - when sober, I imagine your friend, like most people, would only consider relieving themselves anywhere unconventional in case of emergency, or camping trip.

When he was drunk, I very much doubt his train of thought was "hey, a cop car, I should piss on it!".

There were probably several factors, full bladder, the thought it might be funny, or make a political point, the belief he could get away with it, and then a decision to actually go ahead and do it. If he was sober, normal subconscious behaviour and self moderation would have stopped the connection between "cop car" and "place to take a leak" from forming, he probably would have found the idea less amusing, wouldn't have thought he could get away with it, and he wouldn't have made the decision to go ahead with the idea if it had formed.

[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a really semantical way of saying being drunk makes you do things you wouldn't do which I think was what you were originally arguing against so I'm not sure what you're saying now.

[–]xMisaMisa -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

This. It also downplays girls (and guys) being taken advantage of while drunk. You could easily say "Well she obviously had those urges to begin with" and that's simply not true. I can assure you of that from first hand experience.

[–]Sytev -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's really not what I was trying to justify.

Alcohol makes you extremely vulnerable, both to internal and external influences - predatory activity on drunk people of any variety, is completely inexcusable, but at the same time, alcohol enables predatory behaviour in people who may otherwise suppress it.

[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I was alluding too when I mentioned that the post seemed loaded. It seemed like it was a bad bait attempt, but I'm not sure if it was or not.

[–]Sytev -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, just poorly worded and over generalised.