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[–]Mutt1223 2590ポイント2591ポイント  (48子コメント)

My friend told me about how he was coming out of Kroger one night when a guy pulled out a knife and demanded his wallet. He took it out of his pocket and chucked it onto the roof of the Kroger thinking, "if I'm not going to have it, no one is." So the robber stabbed him and ran away. True story.

[–]SpeedyVT 1046ポイント1047ポイント  (47子コメント)

The trick is to have two wallets, you call the second one a sacrificial wallet. Put a couple ones and an expired credit card in it.

Update: Some people suggest a canceled credit card as it triggers red flags on use. There are a lot of additional advice in context below everyone should be reading them. :) Thanks awesome people.

[–]mrjackspade 423ポイント424ポイント  (46子コメント)

Whenever I go into the city at night, I take everything important out of my wallet aside from a 5$ bill (or w.e) and put it in my sock.

Fucker ain't getting anything but some receipts and a few rewards cards.

[–]zpridgen75 64ポイント65ポイント  (45子コメント)

I just carry a Glock 23

[–]aleakydishwasher -33ポイント-32ポイント  (44子コメント)

Not sure why you're being downvoted. If that was my girlfriend she would have let them take the purse and start running. Then she would pull her 9mm and shoot them in the back as they fled.

[–]kirial 54ポイント55ポイント  (42子コメント)

That is straight up murder. If she felt threatened she should shoot them, but if they are running away clearly they are no longer a threat. I'm a big supporter of conceal carry but if you shoot a fleeing man in the back that is 100 percent wrong as well as illegal.

Edit: It appears I was wrong, apparently that isn't illegal, though I still believe it's wrong.

[–]Mister_Bloodvessel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, a reserve deputy was convicted of second-degree murder over this in Oklahoma. He shot a fleeing suspect in the back and killed him. He claimed he used his gun on accident and meant to use his taser. Fact of the matter is he shot someone in the back as they were fleeing. So no, I don't believe you are wrong. I'm sure the exception is if the fleeing person is armed or something, as they could just be moving to cover.

[–]zpridgen75 1ポイント2ポイント  (29子コメント)

Wrong! The fleeing felon rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight. Force may be used by the victim, bystanders, or police officers.

[–]Darkdemize 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

fleeing felon rule

This Wikipedia article says that deadly force is generally excluded, at least in the US. I think you would have a hard time justifying shooting a purse snatcher in the back.

[–]Zoomington 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It depends on what state you're in. In CA shooting a thief in the back will 100% get you jailed and sued. In Texas its totally okay to shoot someone as they flee with your property I believe.

[–]marino1310 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think thats only on your property. If they are fleeing you can attack them but you cant shoot them unless they are on your property I think.

[–]NotA_Sheep 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've heard that posing a danger to other people can justify it. If the purse snatcher drove off recklessly towards of crowd of babies then it might be okay.

[–]MistingFidgets 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But then you could be shooting towards a crowd of babies depending on the angles. So make sure those babies are also committing felonies as well.

[–]pitchingataint 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's why you shoot them in the butt. That way it won't be murder but it'll sure as shit be hard to sit for a while.

[–]flammable71 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

That rule used to apply to police, not regular citizens. All states that I am aware of have repealed it.

[–]Seicair 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Michigan has that law as of my last concealed carry class. The instructors strongly warned us that it might not hold up in court though.

[–]FeministChicksDigMe 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wrong! Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others." (See I can copy from Wikipedia too.)

[–]wingchild 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stepping out of Wikipedia for a goddamned minute, the "rule" also varies from state to state. There is no federal guidance on the "fleeing felon rule" and many states have nothing like that coded in law.

I'd recommend knowing your local laws before you shoot someone in flight. Or before you shoot somebody at all. Or just generally, so you know what's going on where you live, you know?

Where I'm at, I'm not allowed to shoot someone in flight. I can shoot to stop a felony being committed upon myself or someone else, and we've got a castle law doctrine that grants a lot of leeway to shootings in the home, or when threatened in a "place where we have no duty to retreat" etc etc, but there isn't any law in my state that lets me shoot someone fleeing a scene.

[–]Mister_Bloodvessel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/us/tulsa-deputy-manslaughter-trial/

[–]jpb225 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no federal guidance on the "fleeing felon rule"

Actually, Tennessee v. Garner applies to every state. It's a SCOTUS ruling that established a constitutional limitation on use of force by the state. No state law can permit use of force in a way that violates that rule. Of course that's a floor, not ceiling, so a state can have more restrictive rules. In any case, it's irrelevant here, since it only applies to state actors, and not to private citizens.

[–]zpridgen75 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wrong, Troll.

776.041 you may use deadly force against a subject who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or ESCAPING AFTER the commission of, a forcible felony.

[–]Seicair 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is purse-snatching a felony though? Or just a misdemeanor?

[–]craker42 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it depends on how much money is involved.

[–]dzrtguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and if theres a weapon or threats of violence

[–]kirial 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thank you for your input, I was actually unaware of that. Morally however, I don't know how you can justify shooting a man in the back as they run if you no longer think they are a threat. Is a human life worth a wallet? Shoot them if they make you fear for your life, but if the danger is no longer present then you absolutely shouldn't, in my opinion.

[–]zmiaota 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm just of the opinion that someone who goes around stealing purses and wallets at knifepoint doesn't deserve to live.

[–]kirial 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get what you're saying, anyone who does that is probably a waste of life who isn't going to be changing their ways anytime soon. But some people do change and end up being better people in the end. I used to work with an ex con, who did some seriously fucked up stuff before he got caught and went to jail, who is now a really hard worker and all around a good guy. He's the perfect example of a reformed man. Might not happen very often, but some people are capable of change and can end up being contributing members of society. It's not up to you or I to decide if the dude who stole your wallet is worthless. If he is a threat, by all means kill him. But if the encounter is over and he's running away, you do not need to, and it's my belief you should not do so just because you think the person doesn't deserve to live. Just because they are a scumbag now doesn't mean they can't change their ways. Just my two cents.

[–]imNotNotLyingToYou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they stole from me they aren't even worth the cost of the bullet but they're sure going to get it.

[–]Mitoni 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Varies from state to state. In FL for example, I can use force including deadly force to stop a "forcible felony", but there's a huge grey area on stopping a forcible felony you are victim of, since if they are fleeing, they are no longer in the process of committing the crime, it's already been done or attempted.

[–]zeecok -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe some laws say if it is to protect yourself (identity fraud) and your property/assets (credit card, money, etc) you have the right to use any force to make sure it is safe.

[–]Aituune -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

100℅ illegal sure but these people know what risk they are taking and as far as im concerned that's fair game.

[–]sadistic_cat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not "no longer a threat" but "no longer an immediate threat". If they're mugging people they are a permanent threat.

[–]kirial 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If there is no imminent threat of danger to you or someone else you absolutely should not discharge your weapon. You kill a man for what he is doing, not for what he may do in the future.

[–]sadistic_cat -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

If the law says don't shoot a criminal after a criminal act, fine. But saying they no longer present a threat is patently false.

[–]kirial 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If they are fleeing the scene than I think it's safe to say they aren't a threat any longer. Not sure why you are trying to argue this one.

[–]werepanda -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But isn't that what the cops do in your country

[–]BonfessionCair -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, they shoot you while you're restrained on the ground. Also, fuck the downvotes i know I'm about to get

[–]SevenMartinis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep telling yourself that, criminal.

[–]BitchinIndika -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your girlfriend is a murderous idiot.