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I'm an 18 year old guy who's been a lifelong Catholic. I'm not perfect, but I can say I've lived a life faithful to God so far. I've stayed out of trouble, I've been a Catholic in good standing, and I've never had sex. I've never even masturbated before. I'm not making this up. I saw a few warnings about it when I was younger, and was too scared to try it, and I consider myself fortunate to have avoided the addictive and sinful habit.
I've been somewhat sexually frustated in my years. I went to a public school, surrounded by beautiful girls, and I've never had any success. At first, I had a tough time coming to terms with the idea of waiting until marriage to have sex. This comes from the fact that the majority of my friends and influences were non-Catholic, and I didn't accept sex as something sacred that had to be respected. After inquiring more about the subject, I accepted it. It's logical that sex should be relegated to people in monogamy bound by marriage. But by then, I faced the harsh reality that barely anyone else shared the same mindset as me. Those same "sweet girls" I used to crush hard on at the beginning of high school grt plowed by every single member of the football team. And it's not even all out of the church! I knew this girl who was known to be a "good Catholic girl" who ran the youth group at my church, but it turns out she's been sexually active with several partners. It's frustrating to me that I've committed myself to a pure life in accordance to the teachings of the Catholic faith, yet nobody else seems to be following suit. I feel very alone.
I've discussed this before with a close friend. He's Catholic, growing up in a household way more Catholic than my own. He sadly has a far more liberal mindset than I. I've explained how I plan to live a life of chastity until I enter marriage, where I plan to marry a virgin who values herself and is as committed to her Catholic faith as I. My friend criticises me, telling me how my idea of "no hymen, no diamond" is too harsh. He says that a girl's past shouldn't matter, and that it is too much to wait until marriage. I'm so sad that my goals involving marriage are seen as so archaic and unrealistic, and I'm starting to believe them to be that way. If I'm going to wait until marriage to have sex, I should be able to find a woman who saved herself for marriage. I want children in the future, I want them to be raised by a pure, self-respecting woman. I don't want a girl to kiss my kids goodnight with the same lips that gargled gallons of semen from many different men in days past. On a side note, I think the whole concept of "born again virgins" is bullshit. God will forgive anybody of any sin if they repent, but that doesn't mean the sinful past never happened.
Sorry for all the textwalls of rambling, this is a subject that bothers me, and I've been bottling up these thoughts for years. My main question: am I too rigid in my views on sexuality, where I would only marry a virgin committed to purity and as faithful as myself? I feel the need to ask this because I want to know if I'm alone in this. I'm yet to meet a girl who's happy waiting until marriage to have sex, and who hasn't had a sexual past herself. I'm not going to settle. I would rather die old being lonely, albeit chaste, than marry a retired slut. Can someone correct me if I'm too rigid or harsh in my beliefs?
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[–]Ponce_the_Great 30 points31 points32 points  (7 children)
You'll find people are complicated and go through many struggles and weaknesses in life.
To treat someone as a "retired slut" if they have given up their old lifestyle and wish to live better is to treat them as beyond redemption I think, which is wrong
Discern the person they are not their past.
[–]edessasail 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
To be fair there are some things a person who's given up that lifestyle can't offer that a person might value. Wanting to share a first time with someone else for instance, and holding out for a person with which you can share this with isn't wrong. I say this as someone who isn't dating a virgin.
[–]EastGuardian comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (5 children)
But what if they are being active sluts?
[–]Ponce_the_Great 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
That's different. I don't like to use the term in general since I really have never met someone who seems to deserve the label slut.
Regardless if they were active in that lifestyle they probably wouldn't be good to date in a similar way to not dating an active drug user or alcoholic.
But my point was if they have left that lifestyle it shouldn't be hung on them like a scarlet letter to ruin their life in shame out of some petty desire to see them punished.
If that's the case, stone them and make the punishment quick
[–]EastGuardian comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (3 children)
I have met a lot of women who are sluts over the long years.
[–]Ponce_the_Great 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
I'm sure there are. But most I've known who fall into those lifestyles are often victims of culture of emotional/physical trauma that leads them to act in that way looking for love.
It's wrong but it's one of a multitude of sins people may fall into and struggle with.
[–]EastGuardian comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
It doesn't excuse them.
[–]Ponce_the_Great 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
But it doesn't make someone who has in the past committed these acts and now seeks to live in holiness less worthy of marriagable than someone who has struggled with other serious sin
[–]senseiturtle 36 points37 points38 points  (1 child)
Few quick points...
1) If you pride yourself of your purity, then you risk a sin of pride. Closing too many doors might burn all your opportunities. I have to check my own pride, realizing that when I deal with a frustrating patient, I might be dealing with someone holier, more special, or even more favored by God than myself.
2) No one is perfect, and I agree with a different poster... you could be missing out on a lovely lady on the way to sainthood. Just because she's sinned doesn't mean she can't enrich your life tremendously.
3) Another risk is putting sex on too high of a pedestal. Is it fun, engaging, emotional, etc? Yes... but it's a TINY fraction of the beauty of marriage. After a while, sex itself becomes a little mundane, and especially so if you've been with others before marriage. Part of the "damage" of the sin I guess.
[–]Boseknows824 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
+1
It's admirable that you're at least holding yourself to the same standards you desire in your future spouse, but /u/senseiturtle is right on all counts here.
You should "consider yourself fortunate" not to have done something with your body you regret, but don't be too quick to dismiss those who haven't lived up to your degree of continence. God reconciled with his people even when they had acted like an adulterous bride (see the book of Hosea in the OT). The Church has certainly not been the most faithful bride to Christ, either. If you are to love your future spouse like Christ loves the church, hopefully you can be open to forgiving them the way he does for us.
[–]supersciencegirl 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
I'm sorry you are having a rough time and feel alone! There are certainly plenty of men and women who live chastely, even if it seems like there are none at your high school. Refusing to date Catholic women who have committed sexual sins prior to marriage certainly limits your options - you may even pass up a great Catholic woman on her way to sainthood - but that is your choice and there is no obligation to date or marry anyone.
From what you've written, it sounds like you see women as being either pure and self-respecting or "retired sluts". In reality, any woman you marry will be a serious sinner, even if those sins aren't sexual in nature. Your wife will probably have committed many grave sins prior to marriage and continue sinning in big and small ways until the day she dies. As a husband, you will forgive your wife many times, and at least a few of those times, you will think that what your wife has done is unforgivable. This is part of marriage - you and your wife will practice forgiveness with each other and reflect the forgiveness found in Christ.
My husband and I were both virgins when we married. I am very happy I lived chastely before marriage and I wouldn't change that at all. I'm happy my husband made good decisions too - it's my job to help him get to heaven and it's made my job easier! That being said, I love my husband despite his many flaws and sins. I don't think sexual sins committed years ago would be a deal breaker.
[–]Burghunter 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Hi, I admire your commitment to purity. It's tough in public school when your beliefs are essentially counter cultural. Also, your standards aren't unreasonable. Temperance is a wonderful trait to see in your spouse. It's a boon to her character and it cannot be valued enough. I was also frustrated after leaving high school and the best way I found to deal with it was to care less. You'll meet someone if your actively looking in the right places (e.g. Your parish, catholic groups on campus) but you're casting your nets in shallow waters so it will take longer. Caring less and focusing on yourself will help with frustration, but don't be passive because she's not coming to you. Finally, try not to be too harsh on women you see as impure. It may not seem like it, but the girls your referring to are victims too. Victims of a vicious culture that exploits their naïveté and affections, and which cares little for the spiritual, emotional and social consequences of their permissive lifestyles. God bless you.
[–]gettindowntobusiness 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
I would advice dropping the language about rigidity. In moral theology, it's nothing more than a meaningless buzzword since, in some areas, unwillingness to change is good and in others it is bad.
Now, your attitude towards others is extremely problematic. There are two affects of sin: having that damage in your soul, and the temporal punishment we earn. When a person seeks God's forgiveness in baptism or confession, neither of these remain with the person permanently. The damage in the soul, even if mortal, is healed completely, and our good works, sacrificial suffering, and prayer repays temporal punishment, either fully or partially. This leaves us with no room to associate a person with their sinful past.
When you are tempted to look at others this way, think of the great saints who turned away from sinful lifestyles: St. Paul the Apostle, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Francis Assisi, and countless others. See how powerfully Christ transformed them! Only a fool would continue to hold their past against them.
I would also recommend examining your conscience more thoroughly. Whenever we see in ourselves the life of a faithful servant, there is a very real danger that we have fooled ourselves. Learning from the saints again, we see that they often saw themselves as the worst of sinners, who rely entirely on the grace of God. Recognizing when we have acted correctly is one thing, but the way you talk of yourself and others makes me worried that you might being doing this right now.
None of this is to say anything about your wife-to-be, if you are called to that vocation. God will call you, not the internet. But the way you look at others and yourself, as you portray it in this post, is wrong. Not because you are being rigid, but because you are holding the sins of the penitent against them, and because you hold yourself so highly.
[–]indonesianhan 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
You are correct that premarital sex is never acceptable in all situations. In this sense, you are not too rigid. You are not too rigid if you wish that your future-wife will still be a virgin. To be honest, I have the same opinion as you. I'd try my hardest to find a spouse that is a virgin. However, if God has another plan, and should I marry a non-virgin, although I will be very disappointed if my future-wife with the fact that she is not a virgin, I will still accept her wholeheartedly as long as she repent, and ask for God's forgiveness.
[–]AllanTheCowboy 31 points32 points33 points  (2 children)
Now, to be serious, yes you are being too rigid. To call someone a retired slut? It's not your place to judge her past. Someone who shares your values? Yes. Someone who always has, and has never faltered? So confession and repentance are enough for Jesus' forgiveness, but not for yours?
Yes, that part is too rigid. Don't try to out-Jesus Jesus.
[–]fussballfreund 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
However, if he reluctantly marries a woman he does not respect only out of obligation to disregard past sins, then the resulting resentment might not make the marriage worthwile. Maybe he should refrain from such marriages not for his sake, but for hers.
[–]AllanTheCowboy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I agree. I'm suggesting an honest change in perspective, not a dishonest marriage.
[–]polycarpgyarados 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Be careful man, I say this with respect and understanding of what you went through as a teenager and it lead me to the wrong decisions. I recommend you read the prodigal son closely, especially the elder brother's role in the story who was mad at his younger brother getting the special treatment from his father after acting a fool. There's a great Shameless Popery article on it, as soon as I find it I will link it. What you are doing is not intentionally but maybe subconsciously valuing the sin that others get to participate it, and you must deplore evil if you wish to succeed. Evil must be something that you despise, not something you don't do because... said rules.
Not sure if any of that is helpful, have faith. If I wanted to give you some real life advice on it too, my wife and I have seen multiple Facebook groups and other groups where they talk about their past and how it has made their current marriages struggle, difficult or even have hiccups because of something that may seem so small to secular standards today that happened years ago. Trust us when we say, we're not trying to BS our way out of our sin... trust me when I say, and we say... we regret what we've done a whole lot.
The parable is well known, so I won’t summarize it. Instead, I want to focus on the ending of the parable, in which the older brother is so upset that his Father rejoices at the prodigal’s return that he refuses to go into his Father’s House (Lk. 15:28). This action, even in isolation, is a dramatic action of alienation from what should be his family, but the son doesn’t stop there. His Father rushes out to comfort him (Lk. 15:28), just as he had done to his younger brother (Lk. 15:20). The older brother, the rigorist, says to his Father (Lk. 15:29-30),
Lo, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command; yet you never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends. But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your living with harlots, you killed for him the fatted calf!
The contrast between the two brothers is stark. The younger brother, even at his worst, always referred to his Father as Father (Lk. 15:12, 17, 18, 21). At his lowest, the prodigal decides to return to the Father, and to say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me as one of your hired servants” (Lk. 15:18-19). He only makes it halfway through his prepared speech before his Father prepares a welcome home party for him (Lk 15:21-22).
The rigorist, on the other hand, doesn’t address his Father as Father. Instead, this son treats himself as if he’s a hired servant. He says that “these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command,” and it’s on this basis, rather than on the basis of sonship, that he expects the Father to give him nice things. The extreme of the rigorist brother’s alienation can be seen when he describes his brother as “this son of yours.” That phrase is packed with meaning.
[–]czarinalaura 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
Yes, you're being a bit harsh. While it's more than OK to desire a virtuous spouse, you are demonizing all women who have ever had premarital sexual contact as town pumps. This likely is not the case - many women I know who didn't wait ultimately married their sexual partner. Not ideal for sure, but to compare them to sluts is dehumanizing and unjust (especially if you are not holding their male partners in crime equally as accountable).
While my initial words are blunt, I do applaud you for staying true to your convictions and making good choices about your sexuality. It's tough in today's world where even many parents discourage chastity. But keep in mind that many of your generation (heck, even my generation) have not been shown that chastity is a viable option. We have to lead by example and live our virtue. Be open about why you make the choices you do without being sanctimonious. Many people your age want to stay chaste, but don't because they think no one else does and that it is an unrealistic pursuit. They lack courage and need positive examples.
Wishing you peace and strength on your journey!
[–]ChewieSpree[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Many people your age want to stay chaste, but don't because they think no one else does and that it is an unrealistic pursuit. They lack courage and need positive examples.
You hit the nail on the head. My father, the primary Catholic influence in my life, has implied that it's OK for me to have sex before marriage if I'm in love with a girl and if I use a condom. I asked him why he bothers taking me to church and why he's ever criticized me for "being unchristian" in the past if he's going to openly encourage me to sin. He quickly changed the topic, he had no answer for that question. I personally have a strong sense of integrity: I can't imagine deliberately sinning, and then kneeling in church the following Sunday morning. But it looks like I'm the only one. I'm yet to meet anybody, male or female, who values waiting until marriage as much as I do. I'm still not sure how I've concluded on my own what's right and wrong without anybody else telling me so.
That said, I might have worded my original post a bit harshly, as you and several others in the comments have said it to be unfair to reduce every non-virgin to a slut. I don't necessarily believe every single woman who has sexual relations outside of marriage to be a slut, I've just met many young girls with multiple partners. I have a close friend who's been dating the same girl for two years. They're both very serious about the Catholic faith, are both very good people in general, and want to marry each other once they finish college. He's confided in me that they engage in sexual intercourse, and that it's not as sinful because they are each other's first and they plan on marrying. While I still don't agree with this rationalization, I think there is a clear distinction between my friend's girlfriend, still monogamous, and a random bar slut. My fear is that I will find a woman that's virtually perfect, and lose her because she isn't as patient as I, or worse, allow myself to be pressured into sin.
Thanks for the response, and God bless.
[–]the-mighty-zabe 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
IMO you need to banish the word "slut" from your vocabulary. It's a dehumanizing word for women that you are using to separate the "righteous" sinners from the "unrighteous" sinners. You do not have the authority to say "this impurity allows me to denigrate that women, but this sin is more understandable/less severe so this woman is obviously different". Just something to consider.
[–]uxixu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
The lack of "success" was a blessing, but my guess is it made you a bit bitter and you are coming across as more than a little judgmental with your use of language. Our first calling is to our own personal sanctification and my fear is that yours is in risk not out of sins against purity but sins against charity (which most theologians hold to be judged more harshly than sins of the flesh).
You are too rigid, though there's nothing wrong with holding out for a pure virgin to be your spouse. I know a group of several girls who were all virgins, at least out of High School. A couple didn't remain that way long, but a few did through their weddings. They are out there. Note that I have known of more than one girl who considered herself to be a virgin simply because she avoided vaginal penetration but didn't give much thought to oral sex or sodomy. She might have been technically correct, but virginity has a connotation of purity and these women were not... pure.
All that said, I could see more merit in helping pull a woman out of such a horrible lifestyle....
[–]PAPIST_SUBVERSIVE 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
"no hymen, no diamond"
Dude, don't mess around with that ROK stuff. They value female purity for extremely wrong reasons while promoting sexual dysfunction and promiscuity.
You should find yourself a good Catholic college to study at if you want to meet good Catholic girls, virgin or otherwise.
[–]flp_ndrox 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Republic of Korea?
[–]EastGuardian 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Return of Kings
[–]PAPIST_SUBVERSIVE 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Sleazy "masculinity" website.
[–]flp_ndrox 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Remember that you are being chaste for God and you. You will only get rewarded from those four persons.
I don't know if your being too rigid or not. I felt the same way when I was your age. All through college, same thing. By the time I got to 26 or so, I realized what I valued was not the physical condition of a woman's body but their seriousness in a life of faith and chastity. By 30 I realized no one was perfect, even if I was still a virgin, and faith and personal discipline was important.
But...I'm still not married, and probably never will be at this point...so take the above with a grain of salt.
[–]meredithgillis 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
My main question: am I too rigid in my views on sexuality, where I would only marry a virgin committed to purity and as faithful as myself?
Short answer: yes, but not because you want to marry a virgin.
Long answer (and yes, it is long so buckle up):
Chastity and virginity are both great, they’re both things which you should strive to be yourself and to be treasured in other people. Wanting to marry a virgin is not a bad thing. The way you’re talking about the girls in your school and your church though? That is bad. Y’ain’t calling attention to uncomfortable truths by highlighting their alleged sexual histories, you’re trying to make yourself seem better, more holy, more pure, for not having that history. You were not present when they were doing whatever they’ve done, so you don’t know the context. Also, when you call anyone a retired slut, whore, or any other slur which means the same thing, you’re being an asshole. I strongly recommend removing such language from your vocabulary as being a good step towards being the man your future wife deserves.
Sex is a complicated thing. It’s beautiful and wonderful, and absolutely worth waiting until marriage for. But when you get in to the strict “no hymen, no diamond” policy for your future wife you’re distorting the goal of virginity, the virtue which you want both of you to have, which is chastity. As others have pointed out, there’s people who have stayed virgins but done everything under the sun except intercourse. Others (like me) who have done all those things and made a conscious decision to stop and wait until they got married.
I think your friend is wrong to say it’s too much to wait until marriage because it is an achievable goal, but I think he’s absolutely spot on when he says a girl’s past shouldn’t matter. Not everyone starts out with the goal of waiting until marriage, not everyone who goes to church as an adult is raised in a practicing Catholic home growing up. Everyone has a history full of good things and bad things and in between things, yourself included. Love means learning those things about a partner and loving them anyways. Being able to see how those experiences have shaped them in to the person they are today and knowing that person to be more than the sum of their past.
On a side note, I think the whole concept of "born again virgins" is bullshit. God will forgive anybody of any sin if they repent, but that doesn't mean the sinful past never happened.
No, it doesn’t mean it never happened. But here’s my two cents, based on extensive conversations about sex, chastity, virginity and purity with a few different priests and having gotten variations of the same themes from all of them over the last 8 years and as of this moment being married for slightly less than 11 days.
I used to totally agree with the idea that born again virgins are bullshit. Then I got married, and I started to understand what all those priests were talking about when they said there was a difference between physically being a virgin and spiritually being a virgin.
Choosing not have sex anymore and be chaste, breaking the habits that pull you in to that lifestyle, changing your routines and ways of interacting with people as part of that whole … transformation is the word I guess, from an unchaste person to a chaste one … it really does change not just your life but your whole understanding of sexuality, and I think that process is something which builds a great deal of purity and self-respect in a person.
Married sex is not the same as not-married sex, and I’m not talking about how it feels physically. On an emotional level … it’s just completely different. As I said I’ve only been married for 11 days so I’m still processing and figuring out what I even mean about that. The clearest I can say it is that I didn’t expect to feel like a virgin on my wedding night but I did.
I hope you’re able to develop a more charitable attitude towards people, and encourage you to think about the kind of man your future wife deserves and work to be that person. I know when I was praying for my husband before I met him, I wanted one like 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. God has been very good to me, and I am sure he will be good to you too.
[–]the-mighty-zabe 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
This is beautiful & charitable, thank you for sharing!
[–]abhd 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
If she has repented and made new by Christ, who are you to say God didn't actually heal her soul?
[–]R00TCatZ 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Your standards for yourself are great. All I would say is don't be bitter that people who fail so much more than you can receive the same graces as you. Marriage is about mutual happiness, fostering an environment to have children, and being with someone in a lifelong bond that helps you both attain salvation. It is fine to worry about people who don't share your values since divorce is much higher of a rate for people who don't wait. Ignore the comments earlier that are strawmanning your post, they are misusing your words to virtue signal. You got criticized for calling a hypothetical slut a slut and you also never said her soul wouldn't be healed, you just said the hypothetical person had bad judgment. Besides the vivid language you didn't say anything incorrect. Continue making good decisions, don't worry about what non-catholics do sexually at your age, they are wrong; you are not alone in your thinking and actions.
[–]Alex4F 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Ignore the comments earlier that are strawmanning your post, they are misusing your words to virtue signal.
Virtue signalling, the pestilence of the Millennial age.
[–]the-mighty-zabe 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Ok, my "mom" side is coming out.
How dare you? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. If you look at women in the way you've described -- as sluts, as having "gargled gallons of semen", "no hymen, no diamond" -- then you are not mature enough, nor godly enough to be seriously pursuing a marriage vocation anyway and certainly not mature or godly enough to consider raising children (especially not girls).
If I'm going to wait until marriage to have sex, I should be able to find a woman who saved herself for marriage.
  Women - whether godly virgins or not - are not prizes God keeps on the shelf for chaste young men. Waiting til marriage doesn't mean you "should" get anything. You obey God for a love of God, not because it earns you future earthly benefits, such as your ideal spouse.
  I'm not a spiritual guide of any sort, but I think you could do well to meditate on Luke 7:36-50 and keep in mind St Paul's warning in 1 Corinthians 10:12 -- whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall. You may also consider praying to saints such as St. Mary of Egypt, St Margaret of Cortona, St. Photini (celebrated in the Byzantine Rite), and St. Pelagia the Harlot. Meditate on their lives and how rich they must've been in God's grace and love to reach Sainthood.
  Then, take a journey through Christ's lineage. Read the story of His less-than-chaste female ancestors. Tamar, who solicited sex from her father-in-law outside of marriage; Rahab the prostitute; Bathsheba. Ask yourself why God honored these women by included them in his lineage, allowing them special mention in the Scripture? Consider as well reading the story of Hosea. Do you put obedience to God over your desire for a pure wife?
  Ask yourself, if God would not reject these women to be members of His chosen family, what right do you have to reject one if God has called you to love and cherish one?
  On a practical level, of course you want to find someone hold similar moral values. But you only set standards & rules for yourself, not those around you. If you have higher standards for your chosen family than God has for His -- yes, you may be too rigid.
[–]AllanTheCowboy 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Haha. Rigid. [is twelve]
[–]Juanthetuba 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Where the heck to you guys pop out from? Seriously, it's like a cycle, every other month, there's always some guy who posts about the frustration of not finding a "pure" bride, and they always start their post by exalting themselves and their virtuous life.
[–]Fearless85 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I have to say, I laughed my ass off reading your initial post even though this is no laughing matter to you.
You can legitimately demand a pure and chaste woman since you've actually walked the walk instead of being one of those dudes who wants a pure woman yet has an infected penis.
You're not being too rigid. Do not compromise!!!!!
[–]webstercrayons 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
To someone you maybe. Honestly I wouldn't share my personal beliefs regarding sex. I have done so and it really doesn't get anywhere especially if you have conservative beliefs. People are slut shamed for being too sexual. You cannot please everyone. I guess you just have to learn to not care what others think of you
[–]chippewafalls 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Live as you wish to live but still try to have "luck" (as you call it) with women. Do you know a lot of them? Talk to them and touch them and live as something other than a sexless android?
Don't think about certain actions being verboten. Think about them being totally fine, with that girl right there, as long as you want to marry her. And nothing wrong with a young marriage either.
There will be in my generation and more so in yours a HUGE number of retired sluts. Find the corners of the world where they are not the majority. Out here, they'll be the norm. And btw, sluts applies to guys too.
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