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The Church That Preaches Child Abuse and Slavery: According to ex-members of Twelve Tribes, children are regularly beaten and leaders preached “slavery is necessary.” Now, an escapee has taken over the Facebook page of a Plymouth bakery run by the commune to broadcast its ills. (thedailybeast.com)

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[–]Stoga 67ポイント68ポイント  (51子コメント)

Christ said this, "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. " This isn't religious freedom, this is child abuse with religion falsely used to justify it. Massachusetts needs to get after this and do some investigation.

[–]Diknak 45ポイント46ポイント  (46子コメント)

All Christian sects pick and choose what parts of the bible they care about. This one just chooses the shittiest parts.

[–]Iam_NotBillMurray 2ポイント3ポイント  (44子コメント)

All the Christian sects that choose the bad parts are drawing from the Old Testament. I run like hell from churches that try to teach about morality or civil law based on that book. Stick with the New Testament, the Gospel, what Jesus taught. Anything else turns evil quick.

Remember when the punishment for adultery was being stoned to death? Jesus put an end to that. Until a few hundred years later when Christians started following the old testament again.

[–]LFM_Ilvl900req 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

New testament can be used to support slavery, commune taxes, and abuse for the sake of salvation. Belief given blindly is the problem, not the text used to draw it out.

[–]littlemrscg 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stick with the New Testament, the Gospel, what Jesus taught. Anything else turns evil quick.

I guess you're unaware that Jesus frequently quoted the OT scriptures in His ministry. Famously, He quotes Leviticus 19:18 in three out of four of the Gospels. You know, that whole love your neighbor bit.

I guess you're also unaware that the entire New Testament and the Gospel rest on the witness of the Old Testament scriptures. You cannot properly understand what Jesus taught without the Old Testament.

I run like hell from churches that try to teach about morality or civil law based on that book.

Because you are unable to tell the difference between the moral laws and the civil ones.

I guess you're unaware that prohibitions on incest and such are in there. Hopefully it's okay with you if churches "follow the OT" and continue to teach that incest is immoral.

[–]Stoga 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet they crucified Christ for not following certain parts of the Old Testament. It's like He wanted you to follow God's Law, the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule instead of mindlessly following desert survival law that no longer applied.

[–]timoneer 7ポイント8ポイント  (40子コメント)

what jesus taught.

Matthew 5:17 shows that jesus strongly approved of the law and the prophets. He had no objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament and said that its laws will be binding forever.

[–]CowboyFlipflop 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

"The law" as Israel saw it at that time and "the law" as Jesus saw it were at odds all through the New Testament.

[–]timoneer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Whatever you say, padre. The subject bored the shit out of me, to be quite honest. All of this talk about a concept (god) and a person (Jesus) who can't even be shown to have ever existed. It's silly, really.

[–]marcphive[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are several references to a historical Jesus by sources outside the Bible.
Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius, even the Talmud refers to Jesus

[–]timoneer 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Literally none of those people were alive when Jesus was supposed to have lived.

Some of these are so ludicrous that they're hardly worth mentioning. The Talmud? The (highly disputed) things that claim to mention Jesus were written hundreds of years after his time. How can you even try to pass that off as a "historical reference"?

You're not the first person to drag out these same, tired names as "evidence" of a historical Jesus.

There's nothing, nothing, in the historic record, contemporaneous to the time Jesus was supposed to have lived, that mentions him.

[–]Stoga 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pliny the Elder was alive during Christ's time, the rest shortly after. Your logic is like saying someone never heard of Elvis if they weren't born when he was alive.

[–]timoneer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pliny the Elder didn't write one word about Jesus, you simpleton.

[–]Arachnocentric 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

All true, but excepting other holy texts from Judaism and Islam, only the Bible refers to him as anything other than a traveling teacher with a small band of followers. Historical texts deal with him a person. He almost certainly did exist, but the rest is up in the air.

[–]Iam_NotBillMurray 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

Except for him refusing to allow the adulterer to be stoned, which was according to "the Law". You've been brain washed by an Old Testament cult, which is why you quoted that particular scripture incorrectly like every other robot in your tribe.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament Law, which is why Christians started eating pork, resting on Sunday instead of Saturday, and no longer punished according to the laws of Moses. It's also why Gentiles didn't have to get circumcised to be Christians. But your probably too far gone. Understand that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, and live by faith with love being the first and most important commandment. Jesus is the Sabbath rest, because all who believe from rest in their souls 7 days a week. Refusing to work on Saturdays isn't for you, neither is it your job to punish sinners or invade gentile lands and take slaves.

[–]MrTso 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the story of the adulterer, Jesus follows the letter of the law to get her off. By demanding first blood, he removed their chance to get satisfaction and they left. Without witnesses, there can be no stoning or pronouncing judgement. It is all very soloman / OT.

[–]Sheepdog__ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

What you're saying is a gross misinterpretation of scripture.

[–]celas001 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, what they're saying is directly from the bible. I suggest you read the passage in question. Its been my experience that most Christians only know what they're taught in church rather than having read their holy book in its entirety. Reading it all is a major contributing factor to deconversion for a reason.

[–]Sheepdog__ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know the verse, i actually read the Bible. I'm saying he has no understanding of what the verse means. Anyone who studies the Bible understands Jesus is saying he is the fulfillment of the old law. Only a person with a complete lack of understanding would interpret it in the literal way without context to suggest Jesus "had no objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament and said that its laws will be binding forever."

That amount ignorance including the latter part of your comment is astounding. Atheist biblical scholars lmao.

[–]celas001 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You want context?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

People always seem to interpret the idea of fulfilling law somehow abolishes the old law and brings about that new testament everyone's always going on about. And yet, if you keep reading, that doesn't seem to be his intent at all. Indeed, it seems more like when he says he's going to fulfill the law, he's going to ensure it's obeyed, to bring it to the fore, and to obey it.

See, the trouble is, religious scholars who study the Bible start with a preconceived notion of what is meant. Starting with such a glaring bias inevitably leads to twisting the meaning to whatever they choose. An outsider looking in, however, doesn't have those biases inherently. They're not looking to prove or disprove the meaning of a text, as they don't believe it and don't idolize it. They're simply dissecting it's meaning from a place of neutrality.

So yes, atheist biblical scholars exist, and I give them a whole heap more credit than the religious scholars who don't look at the text so much as seem to want to twist it's meaning when it conflicts with their beliefs and, well, reality.

[–]willsuckatcohforfree 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a general lack of appreciation for context on reddit. Especially when omitting it hardens the circlejerk.

[–]Vegaprime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

“Let me be as blunt and direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a religious background, and if they believe in Shari‘a, they should be deported,” Newt Gingrich

FTFY Newt

[–]decrepithallsofdoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Shakur said "kill all white people"

[–]objectivedesigning 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Christ seems to be the root of the problem in most cults.

[–]Stoga -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enemies of Christ do seem to have a problem with Him and they are often in cults.

[–]Skeenip 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to the group’s teachings, children are not permitted to engage in any type of playing or fantasy.

My heart is breaking for these poor kids. The beating is horrifying enough, but for some reason this really gets me, the fact that they won't let their children do such a natural childlike thing like playing. Children instinctively engage in play and fantasy, and it's important in their development. To think that they are beating their poor children over this and stunting their natural impulses and development.

[–]Inovlid 107ポイント108ポイント  (33子コメント)

"In 1984, authorities in Vermont undertook a similar raid, liberating over 100 children from a Twelve Tribes compound, according to The New York Times. A judge determined that the raid was unconstitutional and the children were returned."

What the fucking fuck! How are people this God damn stupid.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 31ポイント32ポイント  (25子コメント)

I mean. The constitution is clear. As much as it sucks I won't sacrifice the integrity of undue searches/seizure for even 1000 sexually or otherwise enslaved children.

I'm sorry, but I just will not advocate* cutting down the laws to reach the devil.

[–]Inovlid 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

Its hard for me. I definitely would not want established laws to be ignored. I would agree dropping charges, returning seized property, and releasing anyone who was arrested. But returning children to abusive people is unacceptable IMO. Returning them is legally the right thing to do, but completely morally wrong.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

I just don't know what you'd do with them. At that point the state has kidnapped 100 children to thunderous applause as they say. There's no good outcome.

[–]genchris 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

But there are infinitely better outcomes for the children themselves than to return them to their abusers. That is a simple fact.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes. That doesn't allow for the subversion of the highest law though. It should scare you that today, that no doubt would've happened even given the exact same circumstances.

[–]genchris 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, it scares me that the law failed to protect these kids. If it happened today and a judge did the same thing, it would still be wrong.

This is quite possibly the only appropriate instance where "won't anyone think of the children" legitimately applies, and that judge did not. There was a right choice and a wrong choice to make, regardless of the Constitution, and he made the wrong choice. Whether he made it today, in the eighties, or the very day after the Constitution became law, it would have still been the wrong choice.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

only appropriate instance

I scoff when people say this. You think I'm gonna trust humans wth words like that? Yeah right. Humans call for the execution of pedophiles and rapists all the time. Humans call for the subversion of rights in the thread of every major news story. I'm sorry but there just doesn't exist one appropriate instance to subvert due process of law.

[–]genchris 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm disappointed you feel that way, but it is the case. You can scoff all you want, but you are wrong.

Just be happy you were not any of those children that the law failed. I'm sure they are quite pleased that the rights of their abusers were protected while their own rights were not.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It just isn't the case and thankfully the law protects people from the whims of people like you, willing to cut any law to get at them. Unfortunately for you I'm right, the judges agree with me, not you, and the case is closed. Suck it and move on knowing there's still a law that judges answer to on this earth.

[–]PM_me_Venn_diagrams 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the law doesn't do what it's intended to do, it doesn't need to be a law.

Holding it up like its holy is not going to make it any less broken.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It did exactly what it was intended to do. It stopped a man who hadn't committed any overt crimes from undue search and seizure. This is America, the constitution is the highest law of the land, and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere where they trample all over rights and cut down the laws to get the Devils. Have fun.

[–]Bmorewiser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's idiotic. And frankly, the result of the case was unnecessary under our current system. There's no exclusionary rule for a best interest determination.

[–]StuartPBentley 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since I'd be willing to bet most of Reddit hasn't seen A Man for All Seasons:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

[–]PM_me_Venn_diagrams 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the entire point of laws in the first place. And it doesn't change any law or bypass it, because probable cause already allows it.

This kind of ignorance is going to give me cancer one day.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probable cause doesn't allow anyone to just search your residence/compound. It allows for a warrant to be writ specifically outlining what is to be searched, where, and for what reason. Acting in good faith is what you want, but in my and others opinion that precedent is toxic to a free society.

[–]ThogOfWar -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

It seems the law is problematic and triggering to some people. Feels before reals.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/4tcz93/i_mean_the_constitution_is_clear_as_much_as_it/

[–]Gigadweeb 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gee, I fucking wonder why when it's hundreds of innocent children being abused. I'd rather have a police state where everyone is more or less equal and situations like this can't form than a free state where shit like this happens.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

rather have a police state than this

That's a false dichotomy. Things like this would happen all the time in a police state. Such naïveté. Your ignorance and the ignorance of those around you will lead to our downfall of the judges don't fall in line.

[–]ThogOfWar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That may be one of the most frightening things I've heard today.

[–]Kenny_Twenty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only because you didn't grow up in a policed state.

[–]Hunter_S_Bitches -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

none of them have children

Ah yes the "think of the children" argument

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Pretty common one over there I imagine

[–]ThogOfWar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As much as the thought of those children being abused sickens me, those "unalienable rights" are a huge basis for society.

[–]Steps_in_shadow 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you just included the answer in your question.

[–]StuckInaTriangle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was a rhetorical question.

[–]1123581321345589144b 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

God ... you had the answer right there.

[–]MonkeysDontEvolve 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm an Appalachian Trail Thruhiker, class of 2013.

Most Thruhikes will have had a run in with these people. I was taken in for a couple days, got a bunch of free food and played a lot of volleyball. They drink a ton of yerba mate, wear flannel, and almost all have long beards and man buns. They eat all organic food and it is delicious. On the surface they look like a commune of hipsters and seem pretty cool.

Then it gets weird, you notice all the 18 year olds are married with children. None of the women will speak to you unless spoken to. The women are also all covered up with bonnets and long dresses. The Men don't do any work around the women. They don't cook, get their own food, or clear the tables.

Overall I didn't have a bad experience with them. They definitely wanted me to join but any cult that doesn't allow there members to drink alcohol just isn't for me. On the surface they did seem just fine but, after spending a day with them I knew there was more too it. I didn't stick around long enough to learn more.

I don't know the point of this post, I guess it's just to give you guys a rounder view of these people. I don't think they live in a healthy community.

[–]CowboyFlipflop 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Same story but a different part of the country. The situation is much worse than it seems, if you pay attention to things you're not supposed to see. You'll notice a lot of the grownups suddenly noticing you and then changing the way they talk to children.

You'll notice profuse, horrifying wailing of children being abused if you're walking in the wrong door at the wrong time. Occasionally open screaming and crying right in front of you - immediately after coming out from being tortured - but that's rare. The adults are supposed to keep the ugly parts of their religion quiet.

My interpretation of their doctrines and behaviors suggests that Spriggs' family beat the shit out of him growing up, he went to California and discovered hippie cults, and then this is what came of it.

[–]Magnifi-Cat 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same story, minus the wailing children.

Hitchhiking around Western MA on 91N, got a ride with a nice gentle hippy guy. I knew enough about these guys to know it was a cult, but I enjoy crazy trips so when he wants me to come visit the commune I'm all about it, so I ride past my exit and right on to VT.

Nice clean group of buildings on the outskirts of a little VT town. Little farm, some animals, some workshops, a few big houses, lots of rosy-cheeked healthy hippy looking men women and children. Everybody's very sweet but it's got that slightly creepy culty vibe.

I stay over, crashing in the single men's dorm.. a big room with several single beds. The dudes all gather together before bed time and discuss religion with me.. They want to be telling me but unfortunately they didn't count on my secret power: I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF and have caused many Mormons and Jehova's Witness missionary door knockers to look awkwardly at each other, squirm in their seats, and eventually make lame excuses for leaving.

Hours of wide-ranging theological discussions ensue, and these guys need to be up EARLY. But they need to save my soul! Poor dudes, they looked like shit the next day. Oh well. : )

The only moderately creepy thing I actually observed there was that some people were working all night long in one of the workshops [they have various little business, this one sounded like they were pounding steel on an anvil.]

[–]CowboyFlipflop 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only moderately creepy thing I actually observed there was that some people were working all night long in one of the workshops [they have various little business, this one sounded like they were pounding steel on an anvil.]

Probably the only normal thing about that commune, honestly. That's pretty normal for that part of Vermont when you have a truck or tractor that needs something fixed.

If you've never heard that before then it sounds like someone blacksmithing an axe on their Forge Of Satan so they can sacrifice you to their god the next morning, though.

[–]Magnifi-Cat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd worked on plenty of farms and even communes by then... being a big hippy.. And this was clearly some kind of production work. The same kind of pounding for hours on end. People making lots of the same simple thing, over and over.

[–]ChanRakCacti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crusties and vagabonds run into the 12 tribes a lot, the tribe specifically targets counterculture types on the road. I think they operate a few hostels near the trail right?

[–]timoneer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's interesting. Where did you interact with them?

[–]RationalNT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I missed that deli during my '13 thru. Head they were really hospitable but very cultish. Just chiming in.

[–]Xtulu 36ポイント37ポイント  (46子コメント)

These kind of groups are everywhere. They are the scum that lives under the rock of America's religious freedom. The ones that have money and routinely abuse their members, like the Mormons and the Scientologists and the Catholics get away with it because they have influence, but all of these small time, two bit cult fantasies that are thriving off the suffering of others should be investigated for abuse.

[–]zzazzdsa 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We believe in corporal punishment, and we stand by that, but we do not believe in child abuse by any means," Zahar, the bakery employee, told me. "And we believe that a lot of the problems that you see in the world today probably could have been avoided if children understood cause and effect and understood consequences.”

What fucking psychopaths.

[–]theowsla 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, never thought I'd see the local cult on Reddit.

These guys have moved in a county over from me (Hiddenite NC) and have taken over an old Inn, several houses, and the town supermarket, which they've renamed the "Yellow Deli". Basically the tiny little town has been taking over by these loonies. At this point they have several blocks leading right into the old downtown. Sad thing is, like the article says, some seem like the nicest people. Others have that glazed look of drug burnouts who aren't really "at home" anymore. Easy pickings, I suppose. Like most cults, they prey on the fringes of society, claiming to offer help but instead taking advantage of someone's bad situation to gain another slave.

My earliest memory of these people is meeting a couple at a local concert and them being very interested in me when I mentioned I worked concrete construction. I guess they saw me as possible free labor.

Scary stuff, reminds me of the Rajneeshpuram folks. Not that 12 Tribes seem violent, but I aint drinking any of their literal or figurative Kool-Aid.

[–]Gordon_Gano 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait aren't these the Common Ground Cafe folks??

[–]CowboyFlipflop 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, there are several associated business enterprises. Common Ground, Blue Blinds, Yellow Delis, BOJ (the construction company).

[–]Gordon_Gano 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The fucccccck I love their turkey sandwiches :(

[–]CowboyFlipflop 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The secret ingredient is the tears of little children, beaten until they're nearly dead, then sauted lightly for ten minutes in being told it's their own fault.

[–]space253 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The shame really tastes amazing.

[–]eleven4for20 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 12 tribes invited my Dad to dinner last week. I said, " Dad, those people are a cult." And my Dad was like, " I know but it is free dinner." I think my Dad enjoyed his free dinner.

[–]ttst6009 16ポイント17ポイント  (29子コメント)

We must respect their religious freedom! At least that's what Trump says.

[–]were_llama 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well... technically the bible says we should all enslave ourselves to God.

Romans 6:15-23

[–]CobaltPhusion 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Matt 6:24.

Romans is about not serving two masters, or how you cannot serve two masters.

If you read the NIV (which I personally think is not a good version to read, KJV all the way), is changes servant to slave.

Servant : a person who performs duties for others, especially a person employed in a house on domestic duties or as a personal attendant.

Slave : a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.

You either choose to serve sin, and are free from your obligations to righteousness, or you serve righteousness, and are freed from the weight of those sins.

Tl;Dr, god says "stop doing evil things and come do good things", not "be my slave fool"

[–]celas001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, so you're telling me a text that undergoes multiple levels of translation will lose its meaning over time? Well shit. How can we trust ANYTHING in it then? Or is your chosen version the proper translation, and how do you know?

[–]juslen 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tribes_communities?wprov=sfla1

The Twelve Tribes' beliefs resemble those of Christian fundamentalism, the Hebrew Roots movement, Messianic Judaism and the Sacred Name Movement; however the group believes that all denominations are fallen, and it therefore refuses to align itself with any denomination or movement. It does not identify itself as Christian, believing that Christianity is the Whore of Babylon. They believe that in order for the messiah to return, the Church needs to be restored to its original form seen in Acts 2:38–42 and Acts 4:32–37. This restoration is not merely the restoration of the 1st-century church, but the creation of a new Israel consisting of Twelve Tribes in twelve geographic regions. Part of this restoration is the return to observing the sabbath, maintaining Mosaic law.

Ooops, not Christians.

[–]officeDrone87 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're trying to bring back Jesus. They say "we're not Christian" in the sense that they look at other Christians as being pussies. They don't want to be associated with MODERN Christianity because they're trying to bring it back to old school (circa 4th century) Christianity.

[–]SOL-Cantus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus that's a terribly written page. Way too much hearsay and opinion laced into the phrasing and tone.

[–]CobaltPhusion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

shh it doesn't fit the narrative.

[–]Sax1031 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can't use the constitution to protect child abuse.

[–]SynapticRevolt70 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost sounds like what Muslims teach.

[–]donuthazard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can no longer support these people but damn if their yerba mate bar things aren't the best.

Because I can't buy them now that I know how creepy they are, anyone happen to know how to make them?

[–]UNSTABLETON_LIVE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These people have a badass bus and travel to Phish concerts to scoop up all the wooks with fried brains.

[–]CowboyFlipflop 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only reason abusive organizations like this can flourish in America is because of how common child abuse is in America already.

It's already normal to abuse children and then call it discipline. This is due to having Puritanism as part of our national foundation - this Messianic sect is just an extreme example of Puritanical rage in action.

If we had better standards in this country, and especially if we'd have better standards for what Christianity should look like, we wouldn't have groups like this popping up all over the country all the time. Christianity is 2000 years old. We should have better roots than this.

[–]Evinceo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess that guy hijacking the facebook page worked out.

[–]Xenu3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another example of a fundamentalist cult posing as a benign "religion". All purity cults are rape cultures.

[–]somerandumguy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These inbred cowardly sacks of shit need to be lined up and shot.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_HAIRYBITS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

White people. Amirite?

[–]markpas -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So can we pin this on Christianity? Or how about Judaism then?

[–]HungLikeAnAnt -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aren't these those black supremacist?

[–]mightymummy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

why haven't you gone back with a high powered assault rifle yet? They're surprisingly easy to come by.

[–]CowboyFlipflop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Much as everyone doesn't like the suggestion - see by the downvotes - this is something I expect to see on the news any day. Sooner or later. I'm somewhat surprised it hasn't already happened.