Hi all, I've been creeping on this subreddit for several weeks now, and been a believer in MGTOW for several more. I'm still trying to swallow the pill, and am grateful for all the great discussion here. One thing I'd like to know more about is why MGTOW seems to believe the west is doomed. Certainly the welfare state and gynocentric culture are unsustainable, but isn't it more likely that western culture will change. It seems extreme to think that the west will simply collapse rather than adapt to become once again sustainable . I would love evidence, discussion, etc. Enlighten me.