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Non-PoliticalCan we DEMOCRATICALLY vote to remove specific MODS we find are biased (or are breaking rules)? (self.india)

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So I think most mods seem like they're sticking to rules for the most part.

But I feel majority of people on r/india find once in a while that 1 or 2 specific mods may be biased or are being over-reactive to deleting posts.

So could one of the top mods set up an anonymous poll?

Then through poll results remove or restrict specific mods who people voted are not following rules properly or are biased? (you don't have to remove them immediately, just give them a warning and tell them to interfere less)

I think it'd be fair to try something like this democratically.

EDIT: In reply to good comment by u/Rahulthewall who said we can use modmail to report mod actions.

"People will report.. but how much can they report when their entire posts are deleted, their entire comments are deleted or they're banned completely?

trust me, it's disheartening, users feel helpless and people just give up.

the poll acts as a REQUEST to the top mod to restrict/warn or remove the mod that is overwhelmingly voted as being biased."

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[–]Froogler 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Democratically? On r/india? How can we be sure the dozens of alts and fake accounts are not voting?

[–]rathum2323 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This guy gets it.

[–]scorgasmic_encounter -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

By allowing users only with 5000+ karma to vote?

Edit: Guyz, stop downvoting everything you disagree with!

[–]Froogler 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So we will have those vote rackets sufficiently vote each others' posts before the voting day. Nothing short of producing your Aadhar card would remotely prevent the vote manipulation that will happen here - all for the sake of getting a mod from your ilk in.

[–]South_Indian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it not against the core idea of democracy? I don't have that karma so my opinion does not count?

[–]chookra 44ポイント45ポイント  (41子コメント)

Good mods: Kabuliwalah, sam, parlor, sree, kashif

Ok Mod: Rahul (getting better but still doesn't respond to criticism well)

Inactive: brownboy

CSS: Awkward - he should stfu and just focus on css. Kali ma shakti dey.

Mod with megalomania: Envia, Awkward

[–]CG10277 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kali ma shakti dey.

:)

[–]ghati 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support our cause by purchasing this tshirt http://i.imgur.com/WomFaQW.png

[–]woah--dude 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

CSS cough broken on ipad cough, but that's none of my business.

[–]rahulthewall 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

AwkwardDev is a CSS wizard, send him a PM with the errors please.

[–][deleted] 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

I vote for killing Envia and awkward. Both are shame to this sub. Let us get them shadow banned from reddit.

[–]HERO_PATIONPLUS 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

You don't say!

You have some balls saying that especially you are also 'one of the gang' since you have been with awkward on /r/backchodi for a long long time.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

bc, agar in me se koi mar gaya, police tereko utha le jayegi. randia ka 4chan ban jayega

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will be world famous then...

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    [–]_vi5in_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Kali ma shakti dey

    Hey that's my flair!

    [–]AwkwardDev -3ポイント-2ポイント  (18子コメント)

    I'm a good mod, fuck you! i'm taking this theme down

    [–]woah--dude 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Please, the default is better, for so many filter and tabs, should keep it minimal.

    Head up to /r/Futurology, /r/dataisbeautiful/, /r/space/, for some inspiration

    See this

    [–]AwkwardDev -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

    /r/dataisbeautiful uses /r/naut theme which is absolutely cringe stuff

    /r/space and /r/Futurology look nice. Lemme reduce flair widths and size, and optimize this for a tab. Why do you guys wait for so long to provide constructive criticism. Drop us a modmail if you encounter bugs like these.

    [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    that bakchodi css with rotating modi head was just out of this world tho

    [–]woah--dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Lemme reduce flair widths and size

    You also need to do something with United we stand, it is too wide and breaks the filters. How about Satyamev Jayate, Sanskrit will also give boners to right wing junta.

    [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Satyamev Jayate has been copyrighted by Amir Khan

    [–]palakkadan 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    /r/dataisbeautiful uses /r/naut theme which is absolutely cringe stuff

    LOL cringe according to whom? Some of the subs that use Naut: /r/Google, /r/business, /r/web_design

    [–]woah--dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Cringe is a subjective expression, so i had not much to say about it. /r/naut feels good to my eyes, and the sticky bar is also good for navigating while on the bottom of the page( I don't use RES). I guess its a defacto practice in web design to have a sticky bar. Somehow wizard is following the design practices of 90's so it will take some time to get there.

    [–]palakkadan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    wizard is following the design practices of 90's

    AHAHAHAH

    By the way you should check out /r/kerala, it has recently been upgraded to the latest version of Naut.

    [–]AwkwardDev 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    To me, obviously. The icons they have used look totally out of place and don't convey the intentions clearly. For example, expand image icon on posts is a small mountain. Seriously? how is a new user supposed to know that clicking on this tiny fucking mountain will show the image inline. Reddit's default icon is a play button with plus sign, which is quite self explanatory. The theme kills the feel of reddit, imo

    There are looks and then there is user experience, I'm not okay with compromising on the latter. The only feature i like in that theme is floating menu, which we incorporate here as well.

    EDIT: About the subs which use naut, even /r/technology uses the same theme as our, even though it's barely different from default reddit's theme. It's mostly because some subs do not wanna get rid of the default Reddit feel and user experience

    [–]palakkadan 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If you really were a "CSS wizard", you'd know that it takes all of 5 minutes to customize the icon spritesheet whichever way you like.

    The theme kills the feel of reddit

    It doesn't.

    [–]AwkwardDev 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There's actually more flaws than just one icon, but at this point it seems like you have a problem with me, instead of what I'm trying to say.

    [–]palakkadan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    it seems like you have a problem with me

    I don't even bother. But looking at this entire thread, looks like almost everybody on /r/india has a problem with you.

    If you have a point, make it.

    [–]AwkwardDev 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    looks like almost everybody on /r/india has a problem with you.

    Oh, I thrive on it. There was a time (not too long ago) when every religious fanatic had a problem with me. Those were the days!
    Anyways, speak for yourself

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        [–]nishantjn 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I enjoyed reading this thread.

        [–]kash_if 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I like it so far too because at least people are talking normally like adults should, instead of getting angry at each other. It is very sane by previous similar discussion thread's standards.

        [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Indeed.

        [–]modaltctrldel 60ポイント61ポイント  (33子コメント)

        This is not a democracy. The mods have worked very hard to make the sub that /r/india is today. They have given up everything in their lives for being mods on /r/india. This is the only thing they have! And you want to take that away from them? How dare you? You don't see mods barging into your personal lives and DEMOCRATICALLY vote to remove specific parts of your body, like your hands or your penis? /r/india is mods penis and you are all just hands stroking it. Always remember that. This is not a fucking democracy!

        [–]snake022[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        and DEMOCRATICALLY vote to remove specific parts of your body, like your hands or your penis?

        What in the hell..

        poora ho gaya drama?

        I'm asking to take a vote to point out which mods are biased. Not hold a lok sabha election for seats for the mods.. lol

        [–]b3naam 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think he was referring to plot of one the novels (with Sarcasm overload)

        [–]dingo_bat 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

        The thing is, just because a person has devoted a lot of time to /r/India does not mean that /r/India is now his personal domain. So i disagree that the mods deserve to remain mods just because of that.

        [–]sree_1983 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Sadly, that is how reddit works.

        That is how lots of new subs come up. I can remember /r/trees being formed because of a user revolt, /r/games splitting off from /r/gaming. I can quote other examples but then it wont help would it?

        [–]parlor_tricks 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Don't forget advice animals from r/pics, and then another sub from r/adviceanimals

        Heck one of the core things about reddit is forum budding. It's the first time we've had a forum format which allowed users to create their own subreddits.

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          [–]IndianBureaucrat 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Go create your own sub. And create a community of it.

          [–]dingo_bat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It won't be the same because 'India' is a special name. You just can't have 'Indians' or some such. It would be ughhh...

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            [–]bhumish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Please add /s

            ;)

            [–]despardesi 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

            The mods have worked very hard to make the sub that /r/india[1] is today.

            /r/india would be nothing without the contributors who contribute to the discussions, submit articles, etc. Mods help, that's true; but the lion's share of the success goes to the contributors, not the mods.

            [–]IndianBureaucrat -1ポイント0ポイント  (14子コメント)

            Go create your own community and see how many contributors you land.

            [–]despardesi 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

            You clearly have no idea how forums work, do you?

            People are here because they want to talk about India and things Indian on Reddit. They are not here because the mods created some "community" for some random topic. Regardless of who the mods are, Indians will still come to /r/india, because, you know, India.

            [–]brownboy13 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Be that as it may, first come first serve is at the very core of reddit. If you don't like it, either talk to admin or try a different website.

            [–]despardesi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm not saying anything about the quality of moderation; but that the success of this forum (as with any other such forum) is largely due to the quality of contributors, and not the moderation. Moderation doesn't create new content; contributors do.

            [–]parlor_tricks 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Like people who want to smoke weed go to r/weeds and not r/trees

            I happen to know about forums as well, having been a mod and founder at other older boards. Reddit allows you to create your own subreddits for precisely this.

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              [–]chinchpokli 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I wonder what will be their election symbol and motto if mods of r/India contest elections. Hehe.

              [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Rahul will have kadhi chawal for sure.

              awkward will either have kaali mata or a black bitch.

              adwarkanath will have payasam made with soy milk.

              sree will have a dosa or a sambhar.../s

              [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If this happens, there will be only one mod on Randia that would be Modi g

              [–]assholeness 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Go and create your own unbiased subreddit if you have problem here. This whole chutiyapa started from the beginning of Loksabha elections. Fake, alt accounts, down voting for no reason, trolls. And the interesting thing is that those who have accounts not older than 1 years seems dissatisfied.

              [–]Langda 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              arey these are all those guys that got banned for that NaMoArmy escapades. Kitne APCO agents shahid hue the.

              [–]anon108 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I thought this thread will be deleted soon.

              [–]daftmatrix 10ポイント11ポイント  (67子コメント)

              On the contrary the mods here granted bit biased they don't entirely go crazy like in world news and gaming

              there are 2 or 3 mods who are pretty immature but yea a democratic way of electing mods seems like a nice idea and might set as a precident to other subreddit

              [–]The_The_Dude 2ポイント3ポイント  (64子コメント)

              But it won't happen.

              I am okay with already existing mods but alteast when they recently selected a new mod voting should have been done.

              [–]rahulthewall 15ポイント16ポイント  (57子コメント)

              I am okay with already existing mods but alteast when they recently selected a new mod voting should have been done.

              Last time we trusted the community to vote (which was for the best of /r/India nominations), they nominated a troll for a commenter of the year (this troll then went rogue and got a host of users banned).

              Tell me, why should we trust the community to vote sensibly. The moderators are aware of each other's personal identities, I would be scared to death of revealing my identity to a troll.

              Let's say this: Next time we select a moderator, there are two options:

              • We nominate a bunch of people and ask the community to choose from them (we wouldn't mind vote brigading in this instance since everyone would be a person we like)
              • The moderators and the community comes up with a bunch of names, and then the moderators pick one from the list.

              [–]The_The_Dude 0ポイント1ポイント  (55子コメント)

              As I am fairly new to this community I am unaware about the first thing you have mentioned.

              We nominate a bunch of people and ask the community to choose from them (we wouldn't mind vote brigading in this instance since everyone would be a person we like)

              This one, keeping your first point in mind this would be a sensible and reliable.

              [–]rahulthewall 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Fair enough, I give you my word that this is how the next mod would be selected.

              [–]brownboy13 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Woah. Let's not promise anything unilaterally, please.

              [–]rahulthewall 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Yes, that was an overreach.

              [–]PM_ME_PLIS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              NO TAKESY BACKSY!

              /kidding.

              [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              woah - the legend is true. he does exist.

              [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              please dont do that.i dont want modiji as rindia mod.

              [–]_dexter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I am not sure that's the best way to go. I don't see any problem until now. Sure there are a few issues but those would remain. Please handle this carefully.

              [–]woah--dude 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              RemindMe! 100 days "Had to do it"

              [–]kabuliwallah 4ポイント5ポイント  (44子コメント)

              My fellow mod seems to have given you his word, but I'm a tad apprehensive. If 60% of the people we nominate are perceived to be supporters of party A, supporters of party B will accuse us of being partisan and vice-versa. And mind you, we don't pick people based on their political allegiances.

              [–]DaManmohansingh 2ポイント3ポイント  (41子コメント)

              You guys might not consciously pick based on political allegiances, but from what you guys post (the public aspect of your posts), your team is perceived as very NAC level leftist. Might help to get some balance in...but the problem is you reject this idea outright so it's a stalemate.

              [–]kabuliwallah 1ポイント2ポイント  (39子コメント)

              Hey, we've been accused of being pro-right, as well. Look, the job of a moderator isn't based on his/her political view, so we leave that out of the equation. As long as the enforcement of rules is impartial, how do our individual inclinations matter? Of course if you find it isn't, please let the rest of the team know and there will be action - this is something that we can assure.

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                  [–]kabuliwallah 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Voting is something that is of consideration, but please appreciate that this subreddit has, in the past, fallen prey to vote-brigading. Reddit voting is a sort of a joke, and unless an alternative method can be established, the elections are quite difficult to hold.

                  [–]modi_is_sleeping 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I see www.redditpoll.com being used by user /u/hiby007, seems to work okay.

                  [–]kash_if 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  How is that free from brigading? You can use alts/proxies to cast multiple votes and skew the result.

                  Edit: come on guys, I really don't care about karma here but when you downvote a legitimate, non-offensive comment it makes me feel that you do not want to hear the other person's opinion. Then why would anyone waste their breath here? It defeats the whole purpose of a thread like this one...

                  [–]snake022[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I don't know if I exactly trust democracy in voting a mod.

                  if the users voting are all pro-congress, they'll vote a guy who's pro-congi. And vice-versa with AAP, BJP.

                  What I want is a truly neutral mod is on top. And we trust him taking mods that aren't over-reactive and let people say what they want.

                  Then we vote to remove mods if we find they're not acting neutrally.

                  [–]thisisshantzz 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  When will this entire thread be posted to /r/subredditdrama?

                  [–]VijayAnna 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This whole sub is worth /r/SubredditDrama

                  Every thread is a shitfest of someone accusing the mods/media/OP/other comments of some bias

                  [–]palakkadan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  People aren't able to decide which thread to post, since root threads can't be posted.

                  [–]bhenchoooo 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Ek pauua aur 500 dedo, jise kahoge vote daal doonga

                  [–]pahagwl 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  By any chance, are you from punjab/haryana?

                  [–]bhenchoooo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  No. But I know my bakchodi

                  [–]CG10277 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Why not just open up moderation log and automoderator settings to the public?

                  [–]woah--dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because fuck logic!

                  EDIT: This!!!!! this will shape the community better, not right wing saffron clad mod.

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                    [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Can't wait for one of lolguard alts becoming a mod. Yay democracy!

                    [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    ITT: i vant rait ving mads...................... plis to gib me BJP mahd......... modi saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

                    [–]rahulthewall 5ポイント6ポイント  (170子コメント)

                    But I feel majority of people on r/india find like once in a while 1 or 2 specific mods may be biased or are not following rules properly.

                    You do realise that you can report mod actions if you find them to be biased, right? Use the modmail to write to us, and I promise you that the action will be overturned if it was incorrect. That's why we have a bunch of people in the mod team, we can overrule each other's actions if we feel that they were incorrect.

                    [–]scorgasmic_encounter 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Rahul, but maybe we can do the opposite, let the users appoint atleast one mod of their choice!

                    [–]rahulthewall 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    As I said elsewhere, the last time we asked the community to vote they voted in a troll for the commenter of the year. What if they vote a troll for mod?

                    [–]b3naam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    all in for this!!

                    [–]PrateekBhatmal 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    A complaint box to grovel? LOL.

                    [–]DaManmohansingh 22ポイント23ポイント  (107子コメント)

                    The couple of times I did use modmail, instead of judging the merit of the report, mods accused me of stuff like "playing the victim card" etc. That accusation might even have merit, but no place in a discussion on modmail.

                    Sorry but I have zero faith in this modmail or the overwhelming majority of your colleagues.

                    [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    "playing the victim card"

                    right wing people always do that.everybody else who does not agrees with them is "leftist""biased""commie"etc.from newpapers to historians to mods of reddit.

                    [–]scorgasmic_encounter 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I dont know man. Imo, modmail has always worked for me. I am not a mod alt.

                    I think bb, rahul, sree, kashif, parlor are doing excellent jobs as mods. Also, awkward dev does a lot of the CSS stylesheet updates I guess, which most of the users would not know.

                    I have little to no interaction with the rest though.

                    My only concern is that in the future, mods should atleast be elected democratically.

                    [–]pahagwl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I am not a mod alt.

                    ALL USERS ARE ALTS OF MODS UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE.

                    [–]rahulthewall -3ポイント-2ポイント  (92子コメント)

                    And I remember replying to each of your point in a very civil manner and addressing each and every point you raised. Tell me I'm lying.

                    [–]DaManmohansingh 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    You or parlor tricks aren't always on mod duty now are you? Want me to take names for clarity? Or would that be witch hunting?

                    [–]rahulthewall -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    I remember a recent thread from you where I did not even participate. There might have been a difference of opinion, but the moderator responded to you in a very detailed fashion (and the user you brought to our notice was warned too). Tell me again how that was harsh or led you to lose your faith?

                    [–]DaManmohansingh 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    I wasn't even referring to that exchange though till /u/neoronin suggested that there could be some genocidal intent the mod in question refused to even understand or accept my pov...despite my even bringing in online sources to buffer my claim.

                    The exchange I am referring to is about a month or so before this.

                    [–]rahulthewall -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Answer me this, was ever a modmail of your summarily dismissed by every moderator?

                    [–]DaManmohansingh 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    The exchange I am referring to was between you and me, another mod pops in and goes on a tirade about how I should stop the "victim mentality" etc...this happened in the most recent exchange also btw. It's not about being summarily dismissed but about being professional about the whole thing. To use an example from the corporate world. I might have a subordinate who is useless, who might have fucked up in the past, but if he / she brings up an issue to me as their manager, if I am going to bring up their past flaws (real or imagined) instead of fixing the issue at hand...that is being unprofessional.

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                        [–]DaManmohansingh 5ポイント6ポイント  (80子コメント)

                        Also despite this being raised so many many times, you guys never respond. Why isn't there a single right wing oriented mod? Not one...any reason why? I can think of people like /u/ghostofadamsmith for a start who certainly will do a good job.

                        [–]VijayAnna 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        You really want people commenting "where are the seculars" "fuck the seculars" at every opportunity to be made mods?

                        Like here: http://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2la8j9/a_muslim_run_college_in_kerala_fines_girls_for/

                        It's not cool. Not funny. Not new. It's not even true. It only puts off people from commenting.

                        [–]TheGhostOfAdamSmith 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I would stay out of this but, presuming that /u/DaManmohanSingh was referring to me, and presuming that you were talking about me, I have never made such a comment (Seculars).

                        I'm economically right of centre, and socially I'm left of centre.

                        Edit: Also, don't make me a mod, pliss. :)

                        [–]i_am_not_sam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (37子コメント)

                        These are the criteria for selecting a mod

                        • Availability in the time zone where this is a requirement. (the most important one)

                        • Participation on /r/india for over a year

                        • No trouble with warnings, abuses, temp bans.

                        Political biases have never been a factor. Every now and then someone on the team will mull selecting one based on "right wing" affiliation (myself included) but it's shot down because

                        • currently we don't have a need for a new mod

                        • it's a slippery slope.

                        edit : and I can't say who but at least one person in the team has proudly proclaimed themselves to be "hardcore right wing" whatever that means.

                        [–]snake022[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (26子コメント)

                        Every now and then someone on the team will mull selecting one based on "right wing" affiliation (myself included) but it's shot down because

                        what the...

                        so you're basically implying that all of you have "left-wing affiliation"?

                        that... doesn't sound right.

                        you guys need to balance the excessive leftism man...

                        [–]Langda 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        arey he said na, its a slippery slope.

                        I would be very uncomfortable if the mods were selected based on their political agendas.

                        [–]parlor_tricks 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Of course it's going to be fucking left leaning to people!

                        Dude the right wing brigade has been historically pissed off since before the shah bano case!

                        Things like the "media is against us", "the academics are against us", t "The govt is against us" over decades has solidified a massive us vs them mentality - and it's hard not to see it that way. If you felt that everyone around you was either brainwashed by the secular media, secular curriculum, and that there are saboteurs in disguise all around - who wouldn't feel fucking oppressed. Heck most people in this group remember how hard godhra was online and the accusations and "debates".

                        But as a result when they come online anyone who disagrees is a chutiya/macaulayite/sepoy/aaptard etc.

                        And it shows in moderation! The biggest vote group which was organized here on r/india has been right wing. The demographics tucking are in favor of right wing who tend to be angry and upset with deep resentment on politics and religious topics.

                        And if you know anything about pol and rel, you'll know that it's so elf the worst topics for a forum.

                        So obviously when taken together mod actions are going to appear to be anti right! Fuck if mod actions appeared anti left with the historic sub demographics then yes the mods were biased.

                        And it doesn't stop just there.

                        There used to be an aap camp back in the day- and they accused us of right wing bias because a post got removed too soon or too late.

                        And as a more left oriented group appears we'll ban the rule breakers, as we have.

                        [–]redloverindia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        nice catch. this sub is unashamedly left. why on earth is newton3 not banned? any mod care to reply?

                        [–]i_am_not_sam -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

                        Not at all. There are people in the team who lean heavily right but weren't selected that for that purpose.

                        The question pops up "should we make an appointment purely on political ideologies esp a right one as seen by the sub?" and is batted down.

                        [–]snake022[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        an appointment should be made on someone who simply will NOT interfere with people posting unless it's something extreme.

                        1 or 2 specific mods right now are interfering with things based on their political bias (and it's a left bias i might add now as well).

                        [–]sudeepj 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        There are people in the team who lean heavily right

                        Like Who?

                        should we make an appointment purely on political ideologies esp a right one as seen by the sub?

                        Yes, because otherwise, the rules and the 'modding' is partial.

                        [–]adwarakanath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        There are right wing mods on the team. Just because they don't agree with muslim genocide or painting the entire religion black or constantly saying shit about an entire group of people doesn't make them any more "left".

                        A fundamental difference this sub really needs to get

                        [–]DaManmohansingh 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        What participation? A couple of mods on your team have barely participated on this sub and still barely participate.

                        [–]i_am_not_sam 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        I trust you read my comment in entirety and are not cherry picking details?

                        My participation levels have dipped on this sub after I became a mod because of the work involved. In a typical day

                        • we need to look at the new queue, weed out rule breakers, ask for translations etc.

                        • look at the spam queue to catch submissions and comments

                        • look at the mod reports for comments people haven't liked

                        • look at mod mail and the threads they refer to

                        That does 2 things

                        • give you less time to actually post on threads

                        • deflates your enthusiasm to actually participate.

                        And some mods are going through busy times in their IRLs so you don't see them around as much. They're active enough behind the scenes, and having a team helps both with the workload and the oversight.

                        [–]DaManmohansingh 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        I wasn't referring to you but I have been active here for a year and a couple have barely made any posts. A year is a long time to not contribute wouldn't you say? But anyways that was just my 2 paisa, it's just an online forum and not worth all our collective time arguing about it.

                        [–]brownboy13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think you're talking about me. I've always been more of a quiet participant on reddit. I don't actively look for stuff to submit. I prefer reading other people's comments and commenting only when I have something to contribute.

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                          [–]rahulthewall -1ポイント0ポイント  (19子コメント)

                          Because there are moderators who are right wing in the team. I am not aware of everyone's political leanings, but I know at least two who would qualify as right wing.

                          And as I said elsewhere, we will throw open a list of candidates next time we elect a mod. Pick and choose.

                          [–]DaManmohansingh 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

                          I think I can guess who they are, but even that's a subtle flavor. You must understand to the vast majority of forum patrons it does appear like the mod team is a mass NAC type set-up and till you address that, posts complaining about mod bias will come into question. Though a couple are pretty useless (from a mod perspective- low value comments if any, hounding certain users and a clear case of bias) an open poll like this op is suggesting would clearly out them..imo it's the actions of 2,3 that give your whole team a bad name.

                          [–]rahulthewall -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

                          I think I can guess who they are, but even that's a subtle flavor.

                          You are really mistaken man, that's all I can say. They are definitely more right wing than you.

                          [–]sudeepj 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

                          Like Who? Will the token right wing mod of /r/india please stand up? :-D

                          .. ...

                          [–]brownboy13 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          I honestly don't want to give out that information. Mods are selected on the basis of when we see that they are an active participant who doesn't cross the line. Disclosing our political affiliation would mean that this would now be a factor to consider in the future, which I'm against. Political affiliation never has and shouldn't ever be a factor in things like this. A qualified person is a qualified person regardless of their personal beliefs. The only things we should be considering is their ability to moderate.

                          [–]sudeepj -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          I honestly don't want to give out that information.

                          I am not forcing you to! Simply asking for your imaginary friend to stand up and be counted! I mean.. being rw is not like being closeted! :-D

                          Mods are selected on the basis of when we see that they are an active participant who doesn't cross the line.

                          meh.. somehow, every last one of the "chosen ones" is a hard core leftie! :-D

                          Political affiliation never has and shouldn't ever be a factor in things like this. A qualified person is a qualified person regardless of their personal beliefs. The only things we should be considering is their ability to moderate.

                          Double meh.. For all your pious declarations of intent, you guys dont understand the first thing about biases and how it clouds perception.

                          [–]b3naam 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          :-) They left

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                            [–]parlor_tricks 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Why the fuck should there be?

                            And do you know my first name, or who I voted for or if I actually met Amit shah during election campaigning?

                            And if you knew any of that - wouldn't it impair my perception in the forum? Wouldnt then any anti "left" action be seen as hopelessly biased and utterly pro right wing ?

                            You of all people shouldn't be asking for something as silly as this.

                            [–]DaManmohansingh 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Good questions, but like I and others have said repeatedly, the impression the mods outside of you, Rahul & Kash if give is that they are extremely leftist in nature (at least the ones who post regularly on political threads) and this is what annoys a fair number of us.

                            Mind you your own bias is your own, you could be a rabid maoist for all I care, but when there seems to be an overwhelmingly leftist slant, coupled with immaturity of said mods, it does not give us faith in the mods being neutral (minus the names already taken).

                            [–]parlor_tricks 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Dude, did you know that two mods were "democratically" elected?

                            And I disagree with a actions as do other mods disagree with mine, that's the whole point of different opinions. Heck I even depend on the "immature" style, as you called it, because some user are anathema to reasoned arguments, they just want to wheedle you, and those mods with a more direct no bs approach are essential in neutering such comment chains.

                            [–]DaManmohansingh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You might call your style immature, but from what I have seen the majority of the users disagree. However a direct no bs approach is not a sign of immaturity. A lot of other strictly moderated threads also follow the same approach.

                            Let me put it this way, a no bs /r/askhistorians style mod is ideally the best mod and that is what a few of you are. A no bs / r/creepypms style mod reflects poorly on the mod team and that is what a few of your colleagues are.

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                              [–]sudeepj 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

                              The exact same thing happened to me! Earned a 3 day ban too! :-D

                              [–]rahulthewall 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Please don't lie, you were not banned for sending us a moderator mail. You were banned for abusing a fellow redditor.

                              [–]sudeepj 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Meh.. Victim Victim bola tha ki nahi? Agar bola tha, to kya Mods ka political preference front and center tha, ki nahi?

                              As for the rest, dont you play victim here. You guys run the show!

                              [–]Langda 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              lawyer ko kya bhaiya?

                              Jab pol khuli to meh?

                              You are going around this entire thread making all sorts of claims, and engaging in double speak. Kitna paisa diya rival sub waalo ne?

                              [–]seculardick 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Link to complaint area for the lazy

                              Edit: Pictured next to the 'complaint box' is /u/dirtyd0ggy. Please do not feed him.

                              [–]snake022[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (30子コメント)

                              People will report.. but how much can they report when their entire posts are deleted, their entire comments are deleted or they're banned completely?

                              trust me, it's disheartening, you feel helpless and people just give up.

                              the poll acts as a REQUEST to the top mod to remove the mod that is overwhelmingly voted as being biased. (it's not like law you must remove them, but it's sign that top mods should tell the mod with the highest disapproval to lighten up or not interfere too much)

                              EDIT: added bracket statement

                              [–]rahulthewall 1ポイント2ポイント  (29子コメント)

                              Even if you are banned you can write to us using modmail. If the ban was unfair, we will undo it. We can easily undo post/comment deletions as well. Anything that was done unfairly will be undone. I give you my word.

                              [–]snake022[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (25子コメント)

                              Rahul, first of all, I'm appreciative you're taking time to answer our questions.

                              And thank you for the reassurance.

                              But modmail has it's pros and cons. It's very useful for complaining about certain actions.

                              But how many times will multiple people keep modmail-ing you about ONE or TWO specific mods who're systematically being biased and over-reactive?

                              Trust me, we just don't feel like using mod-mail again and again for the same mod doing screwed up things.

                              That's why a poll is necessary like ONCE a YEAR. And limit options to be able to select only 1 or 2 mods in the poll.

                              Mods with highest disapproval votes should be re-assessed/warned or removed.

                              Trust me, there are just 1 or 2 who will get overwhelming responses as being non-neutral.

                              (and you're not one of the guys who'll be getting highest disapproval, I can tell you that as well haha)

                              edited

                              [–]rahulthewall -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Look dude, if the same mod keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again, he will be removed from the moderator team. I know my fellow moderators enough to know that would not happen.

                              I have already explained why voting doesn't work, it simply turns into a witch-hunt.

                              [–]snake022[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I understand your mod-mail method way to solve things. But I'm telling you, modmail simply is not.. reassuring enough. Some people just WILL NOT send mod-mail because it's just not appealing or reassuring way to solve things. I myself HARDly use mod-mail.

                              Many times people have sent mod-mail, including me, and not really gotten a proper response. And then they just stop trying.

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                                [–]kimjongunthegreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                One of my TIL posts regarding a Hindi film was removed because it wasn't Indian enough.

                                [–]brownboy13 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Your til was removed because you linked to a scene from 'slackers'. We require the link to be relevant to India itself because anyone can slap on a title with some vague Indian connection in the title. You could have very easily made a self post with links to both videos.

                                [–]kimjongunthegreat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Thanks for the clarification.BTW I do not have a problem with you guys,you are doing a fine job in my opinion.

                                [–]The_The_Dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Serious question: Why I can not promote that joke of a song I plagiarized keeping /r/india in mind.

                                Keep in mind similar stupid threads on other things passed you screening.

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                                  [–]MrJekyll 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                  reddit is not a democracy. The mods are the dictators & can do whatever they want.

                                  Get used to it, world is not fair, there is no reason why your internet experience need to be fair too.

                                  [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  I am not sure why MrJekyll is downvoted.

                                  Reddit is not democracy; mods manage it.

                                  [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Reddit mein bhi netagiri. Varrry kewl.

                                  [–]snake022[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  "politics is everywhere.

                                  it's in your shirt, it's in your pants.

                                  it's everywhere"

                                  [–]anondude47 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  looks inside pant

                                  No dude. Unlike the politicians, what I have will be just as good as it promises to be.

                                  [–]sapientmattress 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  LOL. whatte shitfest.

                                  [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  150 comments in the last one hour. sab bhainchod office ka kaam chod ke yaha gaand marwa rahe hai. including me

                                  [–]anpk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Those are only the comments that the mods haven't deleted. My comment linking to mod overlordship has been deleted.

                                  [–]lallulal -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                  You can democratically leave /r/india. Subreddits on the other hand, are mods property. Learn to deal with it.

                                  [–]snake022[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  lol, you can't "leave" r/india.

                                  Everybody who comes to reddit will automatically go to "r/india" as it's the most simple name for all india-related things.

                                  Everyone would be scattered if we left r/india otherwise. (Where are we gonna go, r/india2? lol.)

                                  Trust me, if that weren't the case, many of us would have "democratically" left r/india.

                                  [–]b3naam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  true that! would have left long long ago after the first few ridiculous bans!!

                                  [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  right wingers as usual crying give us the power.

                                  [–]i_am_not_sam 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  The easiest way to get our attention to grievances with individual mods - send a mod mail. We have no reason to antagonize this community, we also want everyone to be happy. We'd take actions to that effect if you guys simply let us know.

                                  [–]sudeepj -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                  Enough with your victim mentality! you guys are the mods and you are the victims! :-D

                                  [–]glottony 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Who will step up to replace these mods?

                                  [–]b_bar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I just don't want this turning into a Dick measuring contest...

                                  [–]_vi5in_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I'm surprised this entire thread hasn't been deleted with the comment "Send modmail".

                                  [–]diwalibonus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  But how do we know which specific mods are biased? We have no way of telling when and which mod is taking some action against some poster.

                                  "People will report.. but how much can they report when their entire posts are deleted, their entire comments are deleted or they're banned completely?

                                  Good point. Any posts that criticize a mod will be deleted, and cannot be used for reference. Maybe keep screenshots then?

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