use the following search parameters to narrow your results:
e.g. subreddit:aww site:imgur.com dog
subreddit:aww site:imgur.com dog
詳しくは検索FAQを参照
高度な検索: 投稿者や、subredditで……
17,685 人のユーザーが現在閲覧しています
Other Subs: Related /r/News /r/PoliticalDiscussion /r/WorldPolitics /r/WorldEvents /r/GeoPolitics /r/InternationalPolitics /r/InternationalBusiness /r/Business /r/Economics /r/Environment /r/History /r/WikiLeaks /r/HumanRights /r/NSALeaks /r/doctorswithoutborders /r/Features /r/UpliftingNews /r/globalhealth /r/modded /r/NewsOfTheWeird /r/Insidernews N. America /r/Politics /r/USA /r/USANews /r/Canada /r/Cuba /r/Mexico /r/PuertoRico S. America /r/Argentina/ /r/Brasil /r/Chile /r/Colombia /r/Guyana /r/Venezuela Europe /r/Armenia /r/Azerbaijan /r/Belgium /r/Bosnia /r/Bulgaria /r/Croatia /r/Denmark /r/Europe /r/France /r/Georgia /r/Germany /r/Greece /r/Ireland /r/Italy /r/TheNetherlands /r/Poland /r/Portugal /r/Romania /r/Russia /r/Scotland /r/Serbia /r/Spain /r/Sweden /r/Switzerland /r/Turkey /r/UnitedKingdom /r/UKPolitics /r/Ukraina /r/Ukraine /r/UkrainianConflict Asia /r/Afghanistan /r/Bangladesh /r/China /r/India /r/IndiaNews /r/Malaysia /r/NorthKoreaNews /r/Pakistan /r/Philippines /r/Singapore /r/Sino /r/Thailand /r/Turkey Middle East /r/Iran /r/Iraq /r/Israel /r/Kurdistan /r/LevantineWar /r/MiddleEastNews /r/MideastPeace /r/Palestine /r/Syria /r/Yemen /r/YemeniCrisis Africa /r/Africa Oceania /r/Australia /r/NewZealand /r/Westpapua
Other Subs:
Related
N. America
S. America
Europe
Asia
Middle East
Africa
Oceania
Display Brexit submissions
Filter Brexit
Display Refugee Crisis submissions
Filter Refugee Crisis
Display Syria/Iraq submissions
Filter Syria / Iraq
Display North Korea submissions
Filter North Korea
Display Israel/Palestine submissions
Filter Israel / Palestine
Display all submissions
Filter all dominant topics
Welcome! /r/worldnews is for major news from around the world except US-internal news / US politics
/r/worldnews is for major news from around the world except US-internal news / US politics
Worldnews Rules Disallowed submissions US internal news/US politics Editorialized titles Misleading titles Editorials, opinion, analysis Feature stories Non-English articles Images, videos or audio clips Petitions, advocacy, surveys All caps words in titles Blogspam (if stolen content/direct copy) Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr Old news (≥1 week old) articles See the wiki for details on each rule Disallowed comments Bigotry / Other offensive content Personal attacks on other users Memes/GIFs Unlabeled NSFW images/videos URL shorteners See the wiki for details on each rule Continued or outstandingly blatant violation of the submission or commenting rules will result in you being temporarily banned from the subreddit without a warning. Please don't ever feed the trolls. Downvote, report and move on. What moderators do and can't do Message the moderators
See the wiki for details on each rule
Continued or outstandingly blatant violation of the submission or commenting rules will result in you being temporarily banned from the subreddit without a warning.
Please don't ever feed the trolls. Downvote, report and move on.
Sticky Posts • A list of all recent stickied posts.
• A list of all recent stickied posts.
Turkish military helicopter lands in Alexandroupoli, Greece. Requests for political asylum. (en.protothema.gr)
brokor21 が 9時間前 投稿
[–]green_flash[M] [スコア非表示] 6時間前 stickied comment (48子コメント)
The Greek news site is being hugged to death by us it seems.
Here's an archive link if you are unable to read it.
[–]BitterBubblegum 2645ポイント2646ポイント2647ポイント 8時間前 (741子コメント)
I feel bad for the Greeks. It's like they found themselves holding the hot potato when the music stopped.
[–]Mminas 798ポイント799ポイント800ポイント 7時間前 (645子コメント)
I really don't think they are getting asylum. They aren't important enough to warrant a deterioration of Greece-Turkey relationships and the Greeks have absolutely no love for ultranationalist Kemalists.
[–]Xerodan 1272ポイント1273ポイント1274ポイント 6時間前 (601子コメント)
I don't think they could deny them asylum since they could face the death penalty and/or torture in Turkey. The EU human rights charta prohibits denial of asylum in that case (although not 100 percent sure)
[–]multistart11 514ポイント515ポイント516ポイント 6時間前 (370子コメント)
What if Turkey say's they won't kill or torture them just to bring them back then they kill and torture them.
[–]The-red-Dane 707ポイント708ポイント709ポイント 6時間前 (166子コメント)
Considering they've already had civilians beating the shit out of surrendered soldiers, and one surrendered soldier who's had his throat slit...
[–]Reedy957 275ポイント276ポイント277ポイント 4時間前 (102子コメント)
One was also beheaded..
[–]Lebor 317ポイント318ポイント319ポイント 3時間前 (82子コメント)
these Turks go from 0 to 100 very fast
[–]FizzleMateriel 642ポイント643ポイント644ポイント 3時間前 (60子コメント)
Well, they are Islamists against secular republicanism...
[–]MastodonFan99 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Ding ding ding
[–]sticknija2 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
In the entirety of Turkish history, this is the case.
[–]Xerodan 298ポイント299ポイント300ポイント 6時間前 (188子コメント)
It doesn't matter what Turkey says, if there's the slightest possibility then they won't be deported.
[–]RodgersGates 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント 6時間前 (12子コメント)
Know a lot about this. Lots and lots of people are legally refused asylum as they have to prove a certified founded fear of persecution in their home country. Many countries are considered safe by governing bodies such as the EU, including Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, etc., and asylum seekers from these areas are often returned as their counties of origin aren't considered dangerous or repressive.
[–]kralrick 123ポイント124ポイント125ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
The situation in Turkey has changed a bit in the last 24 hours though...
[–]mrmgl 78ポイント79ポイント80ポイント 7時間前 (70子コメント)
Our PM was quick to condemn the coup. They will certainly be turned over to Turkey.
[–]The-red-Dane 250ポイント251ポイント252ポイント 6時間前 (60子コメント)
That's gonna be an entirely different shitshow. Sending people asking for asylum back to possible torture and death is a humans right violation.
[–]slash196 119ポイント120ポイント121ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
You're about to find out just how little anyone cares about human rights charters.
[–]Wagamaga 1095ポイント1096ポイント1097ポイント 6時間前 (158子コメント)
Here’s a round-up of global reaction to the failed coup in Turkey:
Britain The foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, said he had spoken to his Turkish counterpart, Mevlut Cavusoglu, to underline support for Turkey’s “democratic elected government and institutions” in the wake of the overnight coup attempt.
The Foreign Office is advising Britons in Turkey to stay indoors, avoid public places – especially demonstrations – and remain vigilant.
It says: “The situation now appears quieter in Istanbul, and the bridges across the Bosphorus are reopening. But there are reports of tank fire and small arms fire in Ankara.”
British Airways says it is canceling all flights to and from Turkey on Saturday, but easyJet says it plans to runs its scheduled flights, largely to Turkish resort towns. The budget airline says the schedule “will be kept under continuous review”.
Nato’s chief says all alliance personnel and military units in Turkey are “safe and secure” following the attempted coup.
Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, said in a Twitter post that he had spoken to Nato’s supreme commander, US Army Gen Curtis M Scapparrotti, who “confirms that all Nato personnel and units in Turkey are safe and secure”.
The alliance chief also tweeted that he welcomed “the strong support shown by the people and all political parties to democracy and to the democratically elected government of Turkey”.
Spain’s acting foreign minister, Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo, condemned the attempted coup, telling Spanish national television that his government completely supports the Turkish government headed by President Erdogan.
He said: “Without a doubt we support respecting the constitution and democratically elected institutions, and we condemn all coups without reservation.”
Garcia Margallo spoke by telephone from Mongolia, where he is attending the ASEM Asia-Europe Meeting.
Syrian opposition The exiled Syrian opposition congratulated the Turkish people for halting the attempted military coup.
The Turkey-based Syrian National Coalition said Turkey has protected its democratic institutions “in the face of dark and desperate attempts that sought to take control of the popular will”.
It says the Turkish people value democracy and “will not let a group of putschists take it away in a desperate attempt to restore military rule”.
Turkey has been one of the main backers of the uprising against the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, and is hosting 2.7 million Syrian refugees.
In the early hours of the attempted coup, celebratory gunfire broke out across Damascus. The government and its supporters view the rebels as terrorists and consider Turkey to be one of their chief sponsors.
Hamas The Islamic militant group Hamas has congratulated Erdogan for quashing a “vicious” plot to overthrow him.
The Turkish leader has been a staunch supporter of Hamas and a fierce critic of Israel. Hamas says it remembers Turkey’s “wise leadership in supporting the Palestinian people and their cause” and working to lift the blockade on Gaza, the coastal territory ruled by the group.
Hamas supporters took to the streets in several places across the Gaza Strip to celebrate the failure of the coup, raising Turkish flags and posters bearing Erdogan’s image.
Turkey recently restored ties with Israel after a six-year lull following a deadly Israeli naval raid to stop an activist flotilla aiming to breach the Gaza blockade.
Qatar The Gulf nation of Qatar, which has close ties to Erdogan’s government, was quick to condemn the military coup attempt.
It called the attempted coup a “violation of the constitutional legitimacy” in Turkey and said it supports all legal measures the government takes to maintain security and stability.
The official Qatar News Agency said the ruling emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, has spoken with Erdogan by phone to express Qatar’s support.
Qatar and Turkey have grown increasingly close in recent years, and share similar stances on their support for Syrian rebel groups and the Muslim Brotherhood. The two countries agreed last year to establish a Turkish military base in Qatar.
Iran said the attempted military coup in Turkey was “doomed to fail”.
The foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, was quoted by the official IRNA news agency as praising the “brave defence by the people of Turkey of their democracy and elected government”.
He said the events in neighbouring Turkey prove “that coup d’état has no place and is doomed to fail in our region”.
Pakistan An aide to prime minister Nawaz Sharif condemned the attempted coup in a statement and said Pakistan “hopes that peace and normalcy will be restored in Turkey”.
Tariq Fatimi also said he had contacted Turkey’s foreign minister to express solidarity with Turkey’s government and democratic institutions.
Pakistan’s main political parties have also praised the people of Turkey for foiling the coup.
Sharif was himself overthrown in a 1999 coup led by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who ruled Pakistan until 2008.
Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani expressed support for Turkey’s elected government, saying in a statement that “democratic elections are the most effective means for peaceful transfer of power”.
“Militaristic options will only undermine democratic institutions, stability and development in the country,” the statement from Ghani’s office said.
Azerbaijan The president of Turkey’s neighbor Azerbaijan condemned the attempted coup.
President Ilham Aliev was concerned about developments in Turkey and “welcomed measures taken to prevent the attempt at a coup and to stabilise the situation,” spokesman Ali Hasanov said.
Azerbaijan is a Turkic nation and its late president Geidar Aliev once described their relations as “one nation, two states” – a phrase later echoed by TErdogan.
[–]BrainSturgeon 939ポイント940ポイント941ポイント 5時間前 (42子コメント)
When you're in power you can't exactly say publicly you're in favor of coups, can you? Might come back to bite you.
[–]nightwatch808 404ポイント405ポイント406ポイント 5時間前 (22子コメント)
The best you can do is say you're "deeply concerned" and hope that "the cooler heads will prevail".
[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
"we pray for peace"
[–]crilor 222ポイント223ポイント224ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
Many of these positions might have been different had the coup succeeded.
In fact when news of the coup first broke out many nations reactions were pretty neutral.
[–]Bodiwire 85ポイント86ポイント87ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Yeah, you are going to have to deal with whoever comes out on top so you don't want to declare support until you know who that is!
[–]Selfix 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント 5時間前 (18子コメント)
I have a feeling that if the coup would have been successful, more of these people would have welcomed it. I think they are just saying it's a bad thing no not damage their relation to Turkey. Could that be true? I'm honestly not that into politics, but that makes sense in my head, since I know that Erdogan has a lot enemies too.
[–]Zylan- 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 5時間前 (7子コメント)
Why did they have to say anything at all? Would something happen if they didn't voice their opinion?
[–]Canduff 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Can hurt your rep with turkey if you weren't neutral.
[–]Canduff 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
You're right. If they said "fuck Erdogan" and coup fails they'd look like arseholes. You could go the neutral route like Clinton did, but supporting the govt is the easiest way to retain relations post-coup if it fails. Also the military was going to continue with deals, commitments, and relations with the west if they succeeded, so even if you supported the govt youd have seen no retaliation if the miltiary won.
[–]ArandomDane 100ポイント101ポイント102ポイント 4時間前* (12子コメント)
Thanks, but I have a few questions.
In Turkey are those statements not mutually exclusive?
The military role in Turkey is to protect the country from invasion, but also to keep government in check. So "Overthrow this government" seems to be an legal order. At least if given by the top military honcho.
haven't Erdogan been undermining the democratic institution for some time?
[–]idkwhtiwnt 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
I appreciate you.
[–]E_Blofeld 561ポイント562ポイント563ポイント 8時間前 (355子コメント)
The Turkish FM is demanding that Greece hand them back over; of course he does. That being said, I wonder what Greece will do? Greece and Turkey are long-standing rivals. Will Greece say, "Hey, let's stick it to Erdogan and grant them political asylum" or will they 'play nice' and hand them over?
[–]Jackal___ 498ポイント499ポイント500ポイント 8時間前 (100子コメント)
Don't they have to offer them asylum because there's a good chance they will be killed if they are sent back?
[–]snugglas 299ポイント300ポイント301ポイント 6時間前 (44子コメント)
They pretty much have to. According to the EU common asylum law, anyone facing persecution or imminent danger in their home country qualify for asylum. I think it's pretty obvious these guys will not survive a return to Turkey.
[–]postingcrap 54ポイント55ポイント56ポイント 5時間前 (24子コメント)
Persecution is not prosecution. If Turkey can prove they won't face inhumane treatment they could be deported.
[–]k0rnflex 114ポイント115ポイント116ポイント 5時間前 (16子コメント)
And once they are handed over they get executed.
"Whoopsie, our bad."
[–]XS4Me 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Erdogan would never do that, he is a stand up character. Right guys?... guys?.... is my internet broken again?
[–]PPN13 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
For most of that long-standing 'rivalry' Turkey was effectively under military-'secular' control.
Istanbul pogroms in the 60s , Cyprus in the 70s, that oil-search ship incident in the 80s (Greek army did mobilize), Imia incident in the 90s (Fleet standoff, a greek helo down officially from weather).
Not a lot of reason for any sympathy, especially if they are tied to Turkish nationalists such as grey wolves. In fact their best chance would be inter on Turkey but they aren't really high ranking.
[–]Yousurf5 109ポイント110ポイント111ポイント 8時間前 (148子コメント)
The Greece energy minister (I believe) just announced they will not provide political asylum to the soldiers and that they will hand the soldiers to Turkish officials.
[–]likferd 490ポイント491ポイント492ポイント 6時間前 (47子コメント)
Economic migrant from africa that fled because you are poor? Of course have political asylum, walk right in.
A real political dissident that risks death and torture if returned? Well, better send em back.
It's kind of amusing that the only country in recent memory i can think of that actually used the asylum institution like it's meant to be used is Russia when they gave asylum to Snowden.
[–]mechahorse 137ポイント138ポイント139ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
They really should have went to Russia to ask for asylum.
I'm sure the Russians would have been happy to give it to them considering the jet incident with Turkey that happened a few months ago.
[–]Nowhrmn 81ポイント82ポイント83ポイント 5時間前 (12子コメント)
Probably can't fly a helicopter to Russia from... Istanbul? But yeah, that would have been a much better choice.
[–]IEatSnickers 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 5時間前 (8子コメント)
They could definetily get at least to Crimea, its only about 500kms over the black sea, shouldve been able to continue further on into real russia as well i think
[–]foobar5678 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
The UH-60 Black Hawk has a range of 2,220 km. Istanbul is 1,760 km from Moscow. Even with half a tank they could have made it into Russia proper.
[–]Angusthebear 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
That's assuming they HAD half a tank. They might have only had enough fuel to make it to Greece.
[–]Ragnar32 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Russia only did it to piss off the US anyway. If it hadn't been politically advantageous at the time for them to put some egg on America's face by taking in Snowden then they would have turned him away like everyone else.
[–]613codyrex 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 8時間前 (8子コメント)
Difference is that not only would they need turkey to do the same when and if Greece ends up in the same situation.
You usually don't want to fuck with political asylum stuff for treason such as a coup. Harbor military traitors is not easy when you are part of NATO. This isn't border disputes.
[–]11122233334444 95ポイント96ポイント97ポイント 8時間前 (30子コメント)
You are right. I'm hoping Greece doesn't hand them back just to stir up some more shit
[–]Thomas9002 1711ポイント1712ポイント1713ポイント 8時間前 (1170子コメント)
If they ever go back to turkey they'll either be dead or in prison for the rest of their lives
[–]Cuen 510ポイント511ポイント512ポイント 8時間前 (1091子コメント)
As opposed to being hailed as reluctant heroes, get a pat on the back and back to the barracks? What legal repercussions do you think are reality here? I'm genuinely curious.
[–]waddehadde[🍰] 1307ポイント1308ポイント1309ポイント 6時間前* (1006子コメント)
They literally got a pat on the back. Pro Erdogan civilians and police are beating the soldiers who surrendered with belts. That's how Erdoganists defend their democracy. photo photo2
Edit: According to this twitter post, a surrendered(!) soldier has been killed by cutting his throat. !!Caution graphic!! bosphorus bridge
[–]GaryMobile 357ポイント358ポイント359ポイント 6時間前 (48子コメント)
democracy
Yeah, nice one. You can have votes, but when you have intimidation, media crackdowns and imprisoning the opposition, it's not a democracy.
[–]jazsper 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 5時間前 (33子コメント)
That's what I don't get. If he's doing that then why do the civilians support him (erdogan)?
[–]weedz420 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 1時間前* (1子コメント)
The civilians were out on the streets last night chanting "Allahu Akbar" and attacking the military's tanks with sticks and rocks. Those who don't support Erdogan have already been jailed or killed. This is how he's president in the first place. The small group that was left opposing him from turning Turkey into an Islamic Theocracy were just removed from power last night and this morning. And they weren't the ones carrying out this false flag "coup".
This entire thing was staged by the government to place people they control into the last remaining military leadership positions that they hadn't already taken over and remove the country's secular judges so they can't oppose the President continuing to do whatever he wants and move Turkey closer to being an Islamic autocracy.
Too bad all the explosions and night time tracer round fire is over though now because you won't hear anything about any of this on mainstream media. The president was just casually flying around in his passenger jet above the city, that the supposed coup'ers were bombing with fucking fighter jets, and giving live interviews on the news agencies he controls ... during the fucking coup! If this was a real coup they would have shot him out of the sky; actually no they wouldn't have because he wouldn't have fucking been casually flying around above the city that fighter jets were actively bombing if he thought they might be after him and not following his orders.
... "Hey guys how we gonna do this coup?" .. "I got it! We'll randomly close the 2 main bridges in our country down to piss off civilians, run some people over with a couple tanks, then bomb and artillery shell an empty government building at 2AM! It's a foolproof plan to take over!" .. then Private Ahmed says "But shouldn't we like kill or at least capture the president and Prime Minister?" ... And then his commander puts Ahmed on run over civilian with tank and get pulled out and killed by them duty.
TL:DR - The president controls the media and has placed supporters in key roles of the government and military. The majority of civilians think what he wants them to think and does what he wants them to do.
[–]eigenwert 113ポイント114ポイント115ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
The civilians obviously don't care about Erdogan violating basic western human rights.
[–]Pandomia 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
They don't care about democracy, they care about erdogan.
[–]Winters75 102ポイント103ポイント104ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
People get the government they deserve.
[–]Poet_of_Legends 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
The most painful political truth uttered.
[–]kaesikas 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Because the people who don't support him were told to stay home. The people on the streets (exclusively male, look at the footage, not a single woman) were encited by islamist imams to protest. Erdogan is an islamist, so is his party, and the goal is for Turkey to become an autocratic islamist country with sharia law and basically turn it into Saudi Arabia 2.0. The way for that is now being paved.
Next step down the road, comitting genocide against the Kurds through more direct means rather than indirectly by supporting ISIS.
And even futher down the road, topple Assad, wipe out ISIS (which could have been done a year ago but doesn't happen because the US and Turkey don't want it). Establish Saudi-European oil and gas pipelines, becoming independent from Russia.
[–]Valiade 138ポイント139ポイント140ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Islam
[–]Erra0 777ポイント778ポイント779ポイント 6時間前 (207子コメント)
This shit looks made up. I'm really starting to buy into the theory that this whole thing was orchestrated by Erdogan to shore up power and bring Turkey closer to a fascist state.
[–]NiteNiteSooty 191ポイント192ポイント193ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
i find it odd that with the coup people having fighter jets and helicopters flying around, erdogan just circled around in his plane like a sitting duck
[–]masterevan 152ポイント153ポイント154ポイント 4時間前 (5子コメント)
That and the coup didn't make any attempts to capture the President, the PM, or the heads of major departments. Instead they closed a bridge and started rolling tanks through streets and bombing buildings.
I find it hard to believe that this coup didn't place priority on ceasing government heads.
Closing the bridge made little sense if you don't do all this other things, which there was almost no inclination.
What is most likely is Erdogan got some plotters to attempt a coup early - the coup was legitimate, but false information cause it to happen early or half baked so that they would raise their heads.
It was so badly planned, that it seems unbelievable to be fully legitimate.
[–]bazilbt 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Yes I am suspicious too. I think there must have been several loyalists involved that hijacked a legitimate coup attempt. It seems improbable to take a risk like this with so few men, and to do it without having forces close to the leadership to arrest them quickly. The targets they hit too where odd. A police station and bombing an empty Parliament building? They did it at a weird time of day. During the weekend and while people are awake seems the least desirable time to start this. Its almost like some of the units made their moves and others didn't.
[–]KapiTod 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
That seems like something that could maybe support the "False coup" idea. That it was all a big impressive show and Erdogan swoops in like a badass.
[–]slow_and_dirty 219ポイント220ポイント221ポイント 5時間前* (12子コメント)
I'm beginning to think so too. Evidence that I know of:
Most obviously, this has benefited Erdogan enormously
The constant news coverage exclusively portraying the military as the bad guys being fought back by an army of fearless civilians. A real coup would have shut the news stations down surely.
The army firing into crowds in particular seems perfect from Erdogan's point of view. What could possibly get him more popular support?
The speed with which Erdogan enacted purges after the coup. It's almost like he already knew exactly what he was going to do.
[–]metarugia 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Don't forget erdogan runs the media in Turkey. You disagree, you die. It's been his policy for a decade.
[–]MidnightTide 456ポイント457ポイント458ポイント 6時間前 (131子コメント)
Erdogan wants an Islamic state. The purge is already underway, the military was the last defense, there was a reason why they had so many coups in the past.
[–]civildisobedient 168ポイント169ポイント170ポイント 6時間前 (115子コメント)
Seems to me like this would force the hand of the military. If they weren't sure if they should coup before, well... they sure-as-shit better do it now, otherwise they're handing the country over to the fundamentalists. And handing their lives over to a bunch of psychopaths.
[–]MidnightTide 306ポイント307ポイント308ポイント 6時間前* (109子コメント)
It is way too late now. The higher ups are being arrested (last I read was a Rear-Admiral) and as to the soldiers....
NSFW - Purge underway in Turkey.
The military's largest mistake was to allow Erdogan free movement, he should have been taken from the start of it. But he was able to move freely, get on the news and the Mosques rallied the fundamentalists. But the scariest thing about this, under NATO nuclear sharing, Turkey HAS NUKES.
edit: As many have stated, without the right codes those nukes are meaningless except for dismantling them, using different parts necessary for a bomb and putting them together to make a functional device. With the right information and materials, bombs of varying effectiveness can be built. This is pure conjecture on my part.
[–]civildisobedient 439ポイント440ポイント441ポイント 6時間前 (39子コメント)
Looks like you're right. They even took the opportunity to dismiss around 2700 judges, as if they had anything to do with the coup. Obviously just cleaning house of anyone they think has "dissident" thinking.
This is a terrible day for democracy in Turkey.
[–]Speech500 134ポイント135ポイント136ポイント 5時間前 (33子コメント)
Very ironic how much preventing a coup of an elected leader also damages democracy
[–]Tasdilan 257ポイント258ポイント259ポイント 5時間前 (21子コメント)
Erdogan is really on the way to become the next dictator, last night was equal to the Reichstagsbrand and will have similar consequences.
RIP to the efforts to make turkey a developed western country, the fail of last nights coup will be the end to that idea.
[–]tytyjo 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Or the people all up on Twitter that were pro Erdogan saying he's like Jesus Ataturk is about to crawl outa his grave and fuck Erdogan or there will very soon be a black hole started in his grave from all his spinning
[–]SleepySundayKittens 110ポイント111ポイント112ポイント 6時間前 (10子コメント)
Coup 101: get the leader you are trying to overthrow firstand not let him be able to rally up support.... Remember for the next time folks...
[–]linussy 192ポイント193ポイント194ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
Which is why I believe it to be a false coup. You don't bomb legislators and let the president fly in his plane above the city unmolested. Even basic strategists know this.
[–]Thrishmal 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Seems like a mix to me. He has supposedly been placing his own people in the military, so he likely knew this was coming and decided to make the most of it with some false flag operations alongside the real ones. It is a shame that those who wanted to keep balance failed.
[–]nuadarstark 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Erdogan has a lot of support among the Turkey’s population and many channels to maintain power like government controlled military police, intelligence agencies, standard police force, etc. Hell,
Outside of the whole army rebelling, there was not a lot of chance of the coup succeeding. You would have the reverse of Syrian revolution, with more than half of the people supporting Erdogan and outright going against the military. Civilians even tried to storm positions held by the rebels when it actually looked like they’re winning.
With throwing out of many judges, purging military, talks about reintroducing death penalty and essentially a lynching of the soldiers involved in the coup, this really seems like something that would benefit Erdogan greatly.
[–]NouberNou 114ポイント115ポイント116ポイント 5時間前 (19子コメント)
Turkey has access to US nuclear weapons that are stored in US bunkers, guarded by US military, armed by US PAL keys, and are allowed access only if the president of the United States allows them access.
So really they don't.
[–]SRSLY_GUYS_SRSLY 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Wow! TIL I have the same access to US nuclear weapons as the Turkish president
[–]So_Not_theNSA 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 6時間前 (24子コメント)
Technically the US has nukes on Turkish soil that Turkey can basically ask the US to use. But if they wanted to risk War with the west they could just take them I suppose
[–]Frklft 169ポイント170ポイント171ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
That's not risking war, that's declaring it.
[–]nnug 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
Trying to take the nukes would be an act of war against the USA, and the US soldiers wouldn't listen to anything the Turks said
[–]MarkEasty 228ポイント229ポイント230ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
Seems like that theory is gaining traction;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/turkey-coup-conspiracy-theory-erdogan-military-gift-from-god-soldiers-istanbul-a7140516.html
[–]MrFrankly 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
Odd how they found a way to include the Boris Johnson limerick in the news article.
[–]Osmodius 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
I'm buying into it simply because I don't like Erdogan. Evidence and proof be damned.
[–]SwissQueso 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
At least you are honest.
[–]veils1de 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
don't know about these particular photos but bbc reported that police were protecting surrendered soldiers from civilians. i would imagine it's not necessarily the same situation across the board
[+][削除されました] 6時間前 (416子コメント)
[removed]
[–]TeamRedundancyTeam 211ポイント212ポイント213ポイント 6時間前 (180子コメント)
There was some clearly biased woman on the Sky News livestream talking about how Turkey is not the third world country people keep acting like it is, it's so changed, it's so different, so western and amazing. Shit like this is exactly why people think of it like a third world country.
[–]Tattarn 94ポイント95ポイント96ポイント 6時間前* (1子コメント)
Yeah she was a member of Erdogans party and repeating "turkey is a strong democracy" like a parrot, very professional from Sky news..
[–]AnEphemeralThrowaway 86ポイント87ポイント88ポイント 6時間前 (19子コメント)
It's both. Turkey is both a nice European progressive country and also an Islamist right wing backwards country.
It depends where in Turkey you are. It depends with who in Turkey you are with.
[–]TripleEEE1682 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
So my question is, why were people flooding the streets in support of Erdogan in Istanbul? That's the most cosmopolitan city, with a mix of secular and Islam. That was a surprise to me.
[–]AnEphemeralThrowaway 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Pro-Erdogan are more likely to risk their lives b/c of Allah or w/e.
Anti-Erdoğan value their lives and may have been quietly confident.
[–]workingnights 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Of course she's biased they just slit the throat of someone who disagreed.
[–]plingplongplang 178ポイント179ポイント180ポイント 6時間前* (93子コメント)
why people think of it like a third world country.
It is a third world country. Beating soldiers with belts? Turkish people who join in on this have a stoneage mentality.
EDIT: To all you turks or whatever you are that PM me death threats over this: i could not care less what you think of me. You can go fuck yourself and every single one of you who cheer these people on. I feel for the innocent in Turkey but people like yourselves are the worst that humanity has to offer. What you represent is: bigotry, ignorance and hate and i can only hope that you get the same treatment as these soldiers one day. You truly deserve this dictator for a leader.
[–]Messerchief 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 6時間前 (11子コメント)
Same country that committed genocide against minority groups 100 years ago and can't deal with anyone acknowledging that. Turkey is as wonderful an ally as Saudi Arabia...
[–]dIoIIoIb 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント 6時間前 (21子コメント)
i mean, it was a coup
a coup for good reason, but still, you can't expect people to give you cake and tea after you tried to overthrow the government
if tomorrow a group of rebels attacked washington with tanks and tried to kill obama and take over the country, they wouldn't exactly be threated much better after losing and being captured,, it's a horrible thing but let's not pretend it's something that would happen only in turkey
[–]me_irl_man 132ポイント133ポイント134ポイント 6時間前 (12子コメント)
A coup is not organised top to bottom. These are soldiers who were woken up at 2am in their barracks and told that there was a situation and they need to go and defend a bridge at all costs. So they did.
The idea that thousands of soldiers had prior knowledge of this is absurd. They didn't even know what they were doing or why.
[–]Balind 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
That's why typically in coups (and failed aggressive wars) you hang the officers, not the enlisted men.
[–]ScrotumPower 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
The people obviously want religious fundamentalism.
Say hello to morality police and goodbye to tourism. Except for the ISIS tourists, of course.
[–]gldedbttrfly 270ポイント271ポイント272ポイント 6時間前 (123子コメント)
And they want to join the EU.
[–]badblueboy146 131ポイント132ポイント133ポイント 6時間前 (85子コメント)
They don't fortunately. They've been a candidate country for a long time but no progress was made and the majority of Turks don't want to enter the EU.
[–]FeedMeListerene 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 6時間前 (47子コメント)
All the member states need to vote to let them in. I doubt that would happen. Greece might not allow it.
[–]JakkuScavenger 55ポイント56ポイント57ポイント 6時間前 (11子コメント)
Before voting even happens, they need to fulfill the ascension criteria.
[–]Keyboard_Cat_ 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Sounds like a sequel. European Union: Ascension.
[–]JebusGobson 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
accession* - though I assume it's indeed a sort of ascension.
[–]CMDR_Qardinal 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
ascension certainly sounds cooler
[–]midgetman433 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 6時間前 (6子コメント)
lol, forget greece, cyprus has to vote for them, and i dont think that will ever happen.
[–]EmeraldIbis 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
They would have to withdraw from Cyprus to meet the accession criteria anyway. Military occupation of a member state is surprisingly not allowed.
[–]Ultrawup 73ポイント74ポイント75ポイント 6時間前 (29子コメント)
Fuck Erdogan and fuck his supporters. Start behaving like people, for fucks sake.
[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 6時間前 (9子コメント)
The higher up you are the larger the risk.
As long as the foot soldiers didn't fire on civilians or otherwise kill them, they should probably escape punishment as they're expected to follow orders. But once you get to officers, you'll probably start seeing at the very list black check marks against their careers if not more. The higher up you go, the more punishment the officers will face.
[–]HS_Did_Nothing_Wrong 165ポイント166ポイント167ポイント 6時間前 (30子コメント)
Erdogan declared the Military's action treason. They'll be executed or sent to the Night's Watch.
[–]wobinidan 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント 6時間前 (27子コメント)
They don't have the death penalty in Turkey any more, but there is talk of reinstating it for coup soldiers.
[–]AceVa 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 6時間前 (14子コメント)
Surely they can't change the law and then retroactively apply it to past crimes?
[–]wobinidan 318ポイント319ポイント320ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Erdogan can do whatever he wants now. This is like Christmas for him.
[–]AshaGray 150ポイント151ポイント152ポイント 6時間前* (0子コメント)
I'm sure you can't just remove a couple thousand judges just because you say so, and yet... http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-16/more-than-2-700-turkish-judges-removed-from-duty/
[–]SnobbyEuropean 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Nothing would happen if he'd do that. No one would stand up to him. He can do what he wants.
[–]KeeperofPaddock9 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Well if a mob doesn't lynch and behead you you can rest assured Erdogan's anti-secular iron fist will do the job.
[–]Jabawocky 265ポイント266ポイント267ポイント 5時間前 (36子コメント)
Erdogan just removed 2700 judges. This is a power move almost certainly.
[–]shrekinator 135ポイント136ポイント137ポイント 3時間前 (23子コメント)
I am incredibly upset at what is happening. A lot of Turks in my country are in complete favor of Erdogan and the mass killing of soldiers that is happening right now. People that have lived their whole lives here, even born here, are turning radical in favor of this dictator. This is all very, very scary. :(
[–]Tic0 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 2時間前* (2子コメント)
It's actually insane to see how much in favor to Erdogan this has turned out. Very curious to see how this is going to progress... especially how much power Erdogan is going to have in the future (and how he's going to exploit it).
So far the coup seems to have achieved the complete opposite... Erdogan is going to have much more power /influence than before. For the people already unhappy with the previous situation I feel really sorry.
Also it's scary to see people agreeing with the killing of soldiers... even though most of them just followed orders. Some of them didn't even know what the fuck was going on.
[–]shrekinator 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The worst part is, a lot of people in my circle that support Erdogan are completely moderate in their political views. But when you approach them about Erdogan, they won't think twice about completely supporting everything he does and says. They fail to see how he is a threat to democracy in Turkey. I don't follow it closely, but I think his propaganda machine is doing a very well job.
The lynching and call for the return of the death sentence is Turkey is extremely scary. These are normal people willing to kill for their leader. It's fanaticism and shows how a large portion of Turkey has already forgotten of the man who turned Turkey in a modern, secular state. Very unfortunate.
[–]RagingAnemone 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント 3時間前 (9子コメント)
How do yo come up with a list of 2700 (anything) in a few hours? This list already existed. Ok, I might be in the camp who believe this whole thing was faked.
[–]TheaspirinV 220ポイント221ポイント222ポイント 4時間前* (32子コメント)
I'm in Istanbul right now in the aftermath of things, literally mosques are now calling (first time I here a mosque not "singing" but announcing official statements - got a recording) for citizens to go out in the main squares to celebrate victory. Talk about a separation of religion and state. No words.
edit: here is a recording of the second part of the announcement where they ask people to celebrate. The first part being an old ottoman prayer that celebrates victory and calls for the sultan. Happened more than 10 times today.
[–]xxveryx 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント 3時間前 (26子コメント)
Mosques called to go out all night long for jihad.. for allah.. for democracy : ) and we listened this for 3-4 hours. Turkey will very likely turn into a islamic republic. Turkish or foreigner, all liberal left got what they want, their guy killed secularism. We listened it live from mosques
[–]TheaspirinV 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Yes that was my thought as well yesterday night :( This 'democratically elected' party got saved by mosques. His supporters were in the streets and armed with guns and ready to cut soldiers head's off, the crowd that went out that night was unreal. And now the mosques are officially calling for gatherings and celebrations. Really out of words.
[–]Wagamaga 210ポイント211ポイント212ポイント 7時間前* (18子コメント)
Two Turkish majors, a captain and five privates have requested asylum in Greece after landing in a military helicopter. Greece’s defense ministry has said a Blackhawk helicopter carrying seven Turkish military personnel and one civilian landed in the city of Alexandroupolis earlier Saturday. The passengers asked for asylum and were arrested for illegal entry into Greece.
Eight Turkish military personnel who sought asylum in the northern Greek town of Alexandoupolis have removed all insignia from their uniforms, making it impossible to know their ranks.
“We are in the process of sending interpreters in order to be debriefed,” one insider said. “We are also in touch with the Turkish embassy. It is vital that we know what is going on.”
Another said it was highly unlikely that the eight men would be granted asylum.
Turkey and Greece, though Nato partners, are long-time adversaries, with Athens closely watching events in Ankara.
As such, a defence expert said, this was the first time a Turkish military asset had landed in Greece with a view to seeking asylum in the country.
The land borders between the neighbours have been reinforced but customs officials are clarifying that while the crossing between Greece and Turkey remains open (even if cross-border traffic has been reduced to a trickle), that between Turkey and Greece remains firmly closed.
[–]dementperson 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Two Turkish majors, a captain and five privates
And
removed all insignia from their uniforms, making it impossible to know their ranks.
[–]agreeswithfishpal 208ポイント209ポイント210ポイント 5時間前 (14子コメント)
"Come at the king, you best not miss." - Omar
[–]Beethovens32 71ポイント72ポイント73ポイント 4時間前 (6子コメント)
With all the low ranking soldiers being killed by crowds, it makes me wonder how many of them were unwitting teenagers just serving time on their mandatory conscription.
[–]Riku1186 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Looking at the pics of the soldiers I would say 99%. Many claimed they didn't even know it was a coup and were doing security practice.
[–]ThePlayX3 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That's fucking horrible, you think you die for your country but you're savagely beheaded as a traitor.
Absolutely disgusting.
[–]Baldurmjau 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント 8時間前* (16子コメント)
It would be interesting tho to hear their side of the story from greek media about who's really behind the coup. Altso, (probably not true) I'm pretty sure i saw a news media write that some of the captured military claim that they thought this whole thing was part of a military training operation.
[–]OohRaa 2716ポイント2717ポイント2718ポイント 7時間前 (488子コメント)
I'm so disappointed the coup failed. Starting to think Erdogan or the security services had some kind of prior knowledge some kind of mutiny was to occur.
All they needed to do was take out Erdogan, the autocrat. Goodbye secular, democratic Turkey :(
[–]hypd09 1356ポイント1357ポイント1358ポイント 7時間前 (283子コメント)
The coup was set to fail though, no public support, they attacked locations which would do no harm to Erdogan, and it seems low ranking soldiers were tricked into this being a drill.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq
[–]Thenateo 886ポイント887ポイント888ポイント 7時間前 (210子コメント)
You forgot the most important part, Erdogan was allowed to speak on National television. That's what changed everything, he managed to rally his supporters.
[–]Slayers_Boners 1648ポイント1649ポイント1650ポイント 7時間前 (142子コメント)
Call me tinfoil but for all we know this was a false flag to purge the ranks in the military and ensure an actual proper coup doesn't happen in the future.
[–]Thenateo 453ポイント454ポイント455ポイント 7時間前 (31子コメント)
This is what I've been thinking too. It seemed destined to fail from the start.
[–]RnC_Dev 353ポイント354ポイント355ポイント 6時間前 (25子コメント)
And it conveniently started when Erdogan was away from harm on holidays...
[–]RED_DOT_LE_TRILL 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
Not surprising, Gorbachev was on vacation in Crimea during the 1991 Russian coup
[–]WellHeresMyFourthAcc 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Same thing with the Afghan coup that kicked off their civil war- happened while the king was in the US for medical treatment.
[–]RabbiStark 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Sometimes its easier for the coup if the Boss is not in town and you can control the Media. This time it didn't work out.
[–]Bali4n 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 2時間前* (2子コメント)
Well, do you know what the difference was? In 1991, they immidiatelly went after Gorbachev, demanding his resignation, put him under de-facto house arrest and cut communication lines. Whereas now, nobody seemed to have thought about capturing Erdogan; quite the opposite, they let him fly around freely in his airplane while allegedly controlling at least parts of the turkish airforce.
Yeah, they sure put lots of effort and thought into that coup....
[–]ilikestring 98ポイント99ポイント100ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Pretty much all coups happen when the leaders are away
[–]castiglione_99 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
That's usually a good time to launch a coup. That way he's out of the picture, and won't be on-site (at least for several hours, perhaps days), so it helps you establish facts on the ground. If he stays away, that's even better, because it undermines his authority even further.
At least that's the way it would have played out without smartphones, and social media.
[–]Republic_of_Ash 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Erdogan claimed coup rebels bombed the hotel he was staying at live on television, it was then later discovered he was fucking lying. No surprises there.
[–]Archaeologik 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
From what I've heard from friends of friends who are Turkish (take that for what you will) Erdogan and his people had information that the coup was going to take place. They knew about it, and it was allowed to proceed because they knew it was weak and disorganized and would fail, thus allowing Erdogan to use it to his advantage to shore up support, clear the ranks of dissidents, and further tighten his grip on the country.
I know nothing about lower ranking soldiers being "tricked" into thinking it was a drill, however. Sounds unlikely, since as soon as that veil was lifted I doubt they'd keep fighting.
TL;DR: Not a false flag, but allowed to happen because the repercussions benefit Erdogan.
[–]alonjar 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Doesnt seem like they actually did much fighting though. They seemed extremely reluctant to fire on anybody, and surrendered withoit violence in most cases.
[–]Archaeologik 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, when you're trying to overthrow a guy who is seen as a tyrant and appear as the liberators, it's not a good idea to fire on anybody, lest you hurt your own cause.
[–]The-red-Dane 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
He already purged the police, and some years ago purged the top of the military, now was the time to remove the Gulen supporters that might be left.
[–]teutonictoast 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
If that's true, then now was also the time to act the coup, with what little support they would have had left in the military, before losing it all. They made a gamble.
[–]Star_forsaken 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I thought the same thing last night. Just doesn't seem like they even tried to win, and soldiers being tricked into thinking it was an excercise. Nearly every major happening that has occured as an excercise right before it happened.
[–]mrmgl 146ポイント147ポイント148ポイント 6時間前 (43子コメント)
Many have pointed out that it looks very similar to the Night of the Long Knives.
[–]The-red-Dane 133ポイント134ポイント135ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
they attacked locations which would do no harm to Erdogan
Honestly, they attacked locations that only made things better for Erdogan, the national assembly (reminds me of the burning of the Reichstag), the national intelligence headquarter and the police. All good excuses to grab more power.
[–]obidobi 90ポイント91ポイント92ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
Feels like a real coup would have gone for the head first and capture Erdogan.
[–]1JimboJones1 179ポイント180ポイント181ポイント 5時間前 (10子コメント)
Im in Turkey at the Moment and a lot of people actually don't believe that this was a proper Coup attempt but rather some sort of staged scenario by Erdogan to gain more followers, so he can be elected as the head of state.
[–]Murtank 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Erdogan was implicated on tape planning a Syrian false flag before
[–]Dizzystyle 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
The coup was staged, that's why it failed and was planned in such a comedic way.
[–]peacebuster 182ポイント183ポイント184ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
Starting to think Erdogan or the security services had some kind of prior knowledge some kind of mutiny was to occur.
They got Ned Starked.
[–]tiltad 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント 5時間前 (12子コメント)
Turkey joining the EU in year 3000.
[–]winkelschleifer 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント 8時間前 (36子コメント)
This puts Greece in a tight spot, which was surely intended by those who landed there. There is no love lost between the Greeks and the Turks, and it's been that way since 1832, when Greece won it's independence from the Ottoman Empire. Even if the Turkish military elements are allowed to stay, which I somehow doubt, a picnic filled with peace and love does not await them in Greece. Their fate at home will be much worse.
[–]Deevlix 514ポイント515ポイント516ポイント 6時間前 (125子コメント)
Turkey is gonna go full islam now, isnt it? Too bad
[+][削除されました] 6時間前* (10子コメント)
[deleted]
[–]bhare418 166ポイント167ポイント168ポイント 6時間前 (100子コメント)
I wonder what the possibility that there president staged this whole thing so he had an excuse to go full fucking Sharia. It's a shame that American Muslims are bundled in with the rest because every day it becomes harder and harder to think of the religion as peaceful.
[–]Turkishprince 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I believe it. The guy is twisted. I'm so glad I don't live in Turkey. At this rate I'm never going back while he's in charge. Democratically elected my ass. He's been a dictator for years and has ruined the once promising Turkey.
[–]sunfistkid 103ポイント104ポイント105ポイント 6時間前 (17子コメント)
Erdogen said the military will be "cleansed", which is to say swept clean with "murderous hired thugs".
[–]Samhein 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
So they'll let ISIS members decapitate them as an example to what happens to those that go against them?
[–]Astorx 129ポイント130ポイント131ポイント 6時間前* (14子コメント)
Any Turks who are tweeting/posting on social media in support of coup or ambivalence about Erdogan now is the time to stop, just in case.
"General Directorate of Security asks the citizens to report any social media propaganda accounts that support the coup to them, with screenshots and names. This is repeated by different people on live channels and twitter accounts"
edit from livestream: "General Directorate of Security did NOT issue an order telling people to report coup supporters to them. It was second hand reportings that mislead me. Sorry for not checking the source."
[–]SpeeDy_GjiZa 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
I read Directorate as Dictatorate. Seems only fair
[–]iambeingserious 55ポイント56ポイント57ポイント 5時間前 (10子コメント)
Rule #1: If you want to try a coup, make damn well sure you succeed.
[–]RedHatRising 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Rule #1: If you want to try a coup, make damn well sure you succeed take out the head of the government. FTFY.
This whole thing reminds me of that movie Valkyrie.
[–]itstriche 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
This really feels like a modern day "Operation Valkyrie".
[–]duygus 174ポイント175ポイント176ポイント 7時間前* (13子コメント)
Probably they are gulenists seeking political asylum running from being tried for treason. The government seem to be arresting all known people affiliated with Gulen movement from judges to army officers without any evidence for hours now. They are using the staged coup to clear all opposition once and for all.
[–]Keesinator 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
They shouldn't have trusted Peter Baelish.
[–]Melonious 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント 5時間前 (18子コメント)
The coup was set to fail from the get go. It was staged by Ergodan himself for a jump in political power. If this was an actual military coup, Ergodans plane would have either been shot down or escorted to the ground then captured by the military. This coup doesnt make sense at all.
[–]Colonel_Angus_ 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
The whole coup was very half-assed. I'm not usually into tinfoil but I could kinda see it.
[–]Dervish-D 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
This was not a coup. It was an attempt to restore the state to again be what Ataturk envisioned. When Ataturk founded modern Turkey as a free, democratic and secular state and wrote the constitution, he made the military the constitutional protector of democracy, freedom and human rights. All of which are being violated on a large scale by Erdogan and his cronies.
[–]sper_jsh 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
The people in Turkey were led into a shitty situation. Support an autocrat that is slowly gutting their constitution and democracy in the name of democracy. Erdogan is corrupt and extreme and is turning Turkey into an extremist bedrock. His son also has ties to funding ISIS.
[–]Adabos 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Çevik Bir, one of the generals who planned the process, said "In Turkey we have a marriage of Islam and democracy. (…) The child of this marriage is secularism. Now this child gets sick from time to time. The Turkish Armed Forces is the doctor which saves the child. Depending on how sick the kid is, we administer the necessary medicine to make sure the child recuperates". Needs more medicine
[–]Painted_Sky 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Something stinky is going on in Turkey.
[–]NlghtmanCometh 154ポイント155ポイント156ポイント 6時間前* (41子コメント)
Plenty of people, plenty of natural resources, and one of the most advantageous geographical positions on Earth and Turkey still can't get it's act together. What a joke.
[–]BashfulTurtle 131ポイント132ポイント133ポイント 5時間前 (19子コメント)
Embarrassing, the US now supports - along with Iran - Turkey for handling this coup so militaristically. Erdogan has threatened war with the US, all so Obama could protect his precious Inciclirk airbase. Obama should not have said a damn thing. In the light of Erdogan's war threat, he looks flaccid and impotent.
Erdogan shut down all ways for people to communicate; only state television worked. This is North Korea-esque, Putin-esque.
Soldiers, believing this to be a training mission, had their rsp throats cut by fundamentalist civilians.
Do people really not see a threat here? These self-proclaimed "islamists" that adhere to fundamental Shariah law are killing and beating their own soldiers in highly public places. Is this not the grass of radicalism?
Erdogan has purged judges that were not in favor of Shariah law, and is now using this coup to consolidate an Islamic State.
[–]Melonious 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント 4時間前 (10子コメント)
They dont see the threat and thats whats scary. Look at people in the comment section. They truly believe that this is democracy taking over and not a Radicalized Religious dictator manipulating the minds of the civilians. This is only a glimpse of whats to come in the future.
[–]BashfulTurtle 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
It's unreal! Erdogan is the Turkish Putin - he's not even PM anymore - and people are all about him due to some pictures of protesters in the streets. Because protesters somehow = democracy now.
Nevermind that Erdogan shut down all forms of contact between his citizens, then called upon the mosques to rouse radical support.
He's been shitting on democracy since 2003, he's calling for public beatings and is circling his hands around Turkey's throat.
Why have we only heard Erdogan talking on behalf of his people? Why are the "protesters" always standing over bloody corpses of soldiers that were tricked? This is no democracy I would ever be a part of.
Because it's not democracy.
[–]Demjan90 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Ppl asking for asylum in the first country they arrived in for a change
[–]bowenoutofstyle 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Turkey two days ago: "Our president is an Islamist who secretly supports ISIS, controls our internet and stole the election!" Turkey today: "Our president is a rightfully elected and benevolent leader and we must stop the military from removing him!"
What?!?
[–]Please-Give-A-Fuck 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
This whole coup is some fire in the Reichstag shit
[–]DarkPasta 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
Greece is really being tried hard the last couple years
[–]Shephard 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Greece has more friendly relations with Turkey under the AKP party and Erdogan than they do with the Ultra-Nationlist Kemalists. Those guys will be sent back to Turkey.
[–]weedz420 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 5時間前* (2子コメント)
Staged coup by government to seize more power and bring Turkey even closer to an Islamic State. The first act of the government after the "coup" is over ... fire 1/2 the judges in Turkey for no reason. My guess would be the fair impartial secular judges. President was just flying above the city in his plane the whole time ... while the military was using F-16's to bomb parliament and could have easily taken him out at any time. That's usually like ... step 1 for a coup.
[–]HighburyOnStrand 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Bye bye secular liberal Turkey. You're a dictatorship now.
[–]EmpireFW 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Crackdown begins
@MahirZeynalov 188 members of top courts are sought for arrest, 2,745 judges sacked, ~ 3,000 army officers detained in post-coup crackdown in Turkey
[–]Rellik_pt 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント 7時間前 (32子コメント)
too bad they didnt go to Russia atleast there was a chance to survive Turkey.
[–]232thorium 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント 7時間前 (6子コメント)
Well, helicopters do have a maximum range....
[–]cuddlefucker 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
In the case of a Blackhawk, it's 1150 nautical miles. I have to imagine that that's fully fueled and with a planned flight path
[–]forzion_no_mouse 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 6時間前 (18子コメント)
i don't think russia would be happy with an unidentified helicopter flying into their territory.
[–]lone_wanderer101 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 6時間前* (0子コメント)
they get warning on radio to land immediately or get shot down. Source: video games.
[–]GrizzlyBear_55 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
Especially a BlackHawk
[–]KatalDT 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
*Hawk of Color
[–]Agastopia 59ポイント60ポイント61ポイント 8時間前 (30子コメント)
Can't really blame them tbh
[–]itisnotatumah 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
This whole coup attempt seems like it was organized by 4chan.
I think they thought if they could get a couple of jets in the air, block a couple of bridges and arrest a few policemen that somehow they'd just win.
In the 1980 coup 650,000 people were arrested.
This coup attempt has almost definitely removed the possibility of more attempts in the future. As it was, this was a pretty weak showing and by showing their weak hand they now have nothing left. The conspirators will all be found and exiled, executed or imprisoned. Their families and friends will be thoroughly investigated. Etc.
Frankly when i saw people protesting in the streets without fear it looked to me like this attempt was over. When I saw the President still free I knew for sure it was over. If they were going to make this work with what looks like small base of support they needed to at least take the president into custody and even that might not have been enough if they could not contain the crowds of protestors.
π Rendered by PID 1486 on app-547 at 2016-07-16 19:26:13.965833+00:00 running 00a24de country code: JP.
[–]green_flash[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (48子コメント)
[–]BitterBubblegum 2645ポイント2646ポイント2647ポイント (741子コメント)
[–]Mminas 798ポイント799ポイント800ポイント (645子コメント)
[–]Xerodan 1272ポイント1273ポイント1274ポイント (601子コメント)
[–]multistart11 514ポイント515ポイント516ポイント (370子コメント)
[–]The-red-Dane 707ポイント708ポイント709ポイント (166子コメント)
[–]Reedy957 275ポイント276ポイント277ポイント (102子コメント)
[–]Lebor 317ポイント318ポイント319ポイント (82子コメント)
[–]FizzleMateriel 642ポイント643ポイント644ポイント (60子コメント)
[–]MastodonFan99 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]sticknija2 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Xerodan 298ポイント299ポイント300ポイント (188子コメント)
[–]RodgersGates 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]kralrick 123ポイント124ポイント125ポイント (4子コメント)
[–]mrmgl 78ポイント79ポイント80ポイント (70子コメント)
[–]The-red-Dane 250ポイント251ポイント252ポイント (60子コメント)
[–]slash196 119ポイント120ポイント121ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]Wagamaga 1095ポイント1096ポイント1097ポイント (158子コメント)
[–]BrainSturgeon 939ポイント940ポイント941ポイント (42子コメント)
[–]nightwatch808 404ポイント405ポイント406ポイント (22子コメント)
[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]crilor 222ポイント223ポイント224ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]Bodiwire 85ポイント86ポイント87ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Selfix 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント (18子コメント)
[–]Zylan- 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント (7子コメント)
[–]Canduff 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Canduff 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]ArandomDane 100ポイント101ポイント102ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]idkwhtiwnt 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]E_Blofeld 561ポイント562ポイント563ポイント (355子コメント)
[–]Jackal___ 498ポイント499ポイント500ポイント (100子コメント)
[–]snugglas 299ポイント300ポイント301ポイント (44子コメント)
[–]postingcrap 54ポイント55ポイント56ポイント (24子コメント)
[–]k0rnflex 114ポイント115ポイント116ポイント (16子コメント)
[–]XS4Me 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]PPN13 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント (16子コメント)
[–]Yousurf5 109ポイント110ポイント111ポイント (148子コメント)
[–]likferd 490ポイント491ポイント492ポイント (47子コメント)
[–]mechahorse 137ポイント138ポイント139ポイント (16子コメント)
[–]Nowhrmn 81ポイント82ポイント83ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]IEatSnickers 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]foobar5678 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]Angusthebear 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Ragnar32 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]613codyrex 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]11122233334444 95ポイント96ポイント97ポイント (30子コメント)
[–]Thomas9002 1711ポイント1712ポイント1713ポイント (1170子コメント)
[–]Cuen 510ポイント511ポイント512ポイント (1091子コメント)
[–]waddehadde[🍰] 1307ポイント1308ポイント1309ポイント (1006子コメント)
[–]GaryMobile 357ポイント358ポイント359ポイント (48子コメント)
[–]jazsper 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント (33子コメント)
[–]weedz420 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]eigenwert 113ポイント114ポイント115ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Pandomia 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Winters75 102ポイント103ポイント104ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Poet_of_Legends 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]kaesikas 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Valiade 138ポイント139ポイント140ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]Erra0 777ポイント778ポイント779ポイント (207子コメント)
[–]NiteNiteSooty 191ポイント192ポイント193ポイント (16子コメント)
[–]masterevan 152ポイント153ポイント154ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]bazilbt 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]KapiTod 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]slow_and_dirty 219ポイント220ポイント221ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]metarugia 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]MidnightTide 456ポイント457ポイント458ポイント (131子コメント)
[–]civildisobedient 168ポイント169ポイント170ポイント (115子コメント)
[–]MidnightTide 306ポイント307ポイント308ポイント (109子コメント)
[–]civildisobedient 439ポイント440ポイント441ポイント (39子コメント)
[–]Speech500 134ポイント135ポイント136ポイント (33子コメント)
[–]Tasdilan 257ポイント258ポイント259ポイント (21子コメント)
[–]tytyjo 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]SleepySundayKittens 110ポイント111ポイント112ポイント (10子コメント)
[–]linussy 192ポイント193ポイント194ポイント (4子コメント)
[–]Thrishmal 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]nuadarstark 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]NouberNou 114ポイント115ポイント116ポイント (19子コメント)
[–]SRSLY_GUYS_SRSLY 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]So_Not_theNSA 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント (24子コメント)
[–]Frklft 169ポイント170ポイント171ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]nnug 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]MarkEasty 228ポイント229ポイント230ポイント (13子コメント)
[–]MrFrankly 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Osmodius 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]SwissQueso 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]veils1de 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント (1子コメント)
[+][削除されました] (416子コメント)
[removed]
[–]TeamRedundancyTeam 211ポイント212ポイント213ポイント (180子コメント)
[–]Tattarn 94ポイント95ポイント96ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]AnEphemeralThrowaway 86ポイント87ポイント88ポイント (19子コメント)
[–]TripleEEE1682 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]AnEphemeralThrowaway 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]workingnights 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]plingplongplang 178ポイント179ポイント180ポイント (93子コメント)
[–]Messerchief 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント (11子コメント)
[–]dIoIIoIb 89ポイント90ポイント91ポイント (21子コメント)
[–]me_irl_man 132ポイント133ポイント134ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]Balind 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]ScrotumPower 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]gldedbttrfly 270ポイント271ポイント272ポイント (123子コメント)
[–]badblueboy146 131ポイント132ポイント133ポイント (85子コメント)
[–]FeedMeListerene 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント (47子コメント)
[–]JakkuScavenger 55ポイント56ポイント57ポイント (11子コメント)
[–]Keyboard_Cat_ 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]JebusGobson 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]CMDR_Qardinal 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]midgetman433 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]EmeraldIbis 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]Ultrawup 73ポイント74ポイント75ポイント (29子コメント)
[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント (9子コメント)
[–]HS_Did_Nothing_Wrong 165ポイント166ポイント167ポイント (30子コメント)
[–]wobinidan 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント (27子コメント)
[–]AceVa 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント (14子コメント)
[–]wobinidan 318ポイント319ポイント320ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]AshaGray 150ポイント151ポイント152ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]SnobbyEuropean 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]KeeperofPaddock9 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Jabawocky 265ポイント266ポイント267ポイント (36子コメント)
[–]shrekinator 135ポイント136ポイント137ポイント (23子コメント)
[–]Tic0 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]shrekinator 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]RagingAnemone 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント (9子コメント)
[–]TheaspirinV 220ポイント221ポイント222ポイント (32子コメント)
[–]xxveryx 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント (26子コメント)
[–]TheaspirinV 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]Wagamaga 210ポイント211ポイント212ポイント (18子コメント)
[–]dementperson 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]agreeswithfishpal 208ポイント209ポイント210ポイント (14子コメント)
[–]Beethovens32 71ポイント72ポイント73ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]Riku1186 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]ThePlayX3 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Baldurmjau 117ポイント118ポイント119ポイント (16子コメント)
[–]OohRaa 2716ポイント2717ポイント2718ポイント (488子コメント)
[–]hypd09 1356ポイント1357ポイント1358ポイント (283子コメント)
[–]Thenateo 886ポイント887ポイント888ポイント (210子コメント)
[–]Slayers_Boners 1648ポイント1649ポイント1650ポイント (142子コメント)
[–]Thenateo 453ポイント454ポイント455ポイント (31子コメント)
[–]RnC_Dev 353ポイント354ポイント355ポイント (25子コメント)
[–]RED_DOT_LE_TRILL 199ポイント200ポイント201ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]WellHeresMyFourthAcc 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]RabbiStark 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Bali4n 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]ilikestring 98ポイント99ポイント100ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]castiglione_99 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]Republic_of_Ash 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Archaeologik 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント (8子コメント)
[–]alonjar 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Archaeologik 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]The-red-Dane 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント (13子コメント)
[–]teutonictoast 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Star_forsaken 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]mrmgl 146ポイント147ポイント148ポイント (43子コメント)
[–]The-red-Dane 133ポイント134ポイント135ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]obidobi 90ポイント91ポイント92ポイント (13子コメント)
[–]1JimboJones1 179ポイント180ポイント181ポイント (10子コメント)
[–]Murtank 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Dizzystyle 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]peacebuster 182ポイント183ポイント184ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]tiltad 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント (12子コメント)
[–]winkelschleifer 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント (36子コメント)
[–]Deevlix 514ポイント515ポイント516ポイント (125子コメント)
[+][削除されました] (10子コメント)
[deleted]
[–]bhare418 166ポイント167ポイント168ポイント (100子コメント)
[–]Turkishprince 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]sunfistkid 103ポイント104ポイント105ポイント (17子コメント)
[–]Samhein 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]Astorx 129ポイント130ポイント131ポイント (14子コメント)
[–]SpeeDy_GjiZa 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]iambeingserious 55ポイント56ポイント57ポイント (10子コメント)
[–]RedHatRising 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]itstriche 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]duygus 174ポイント175ポイント176ポイント (13子コメント)
[–]Keesinator 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Melonious 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント (18子コメント)
[–]Colonel_Angus_ 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]Dervish-D 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]sper_jsh 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント (1子コメント)
[–]Adabos 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]Painted_Sky 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]NlghtmanCometh 154ポイント155ポイント156ポイント (41子コメント)
[–]BashfulTurtle 131ポイント132ポイント133ポイント (19子コメント)
[–]Melonious 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント (10子コメント)
[–]BashfulTurtle 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント (7子コメント)
[–]Demjan90 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]bowenoutofstyle 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント (3子コメント)
[–]Please-Give-A-Fuck 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]DarkPasta 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]Shephard 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]weedz420 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]HighburyOnStrand 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]EmpireFW 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント (2子コメント)
[–]Rellik_pt 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント (32子コメント)
[–]232thorium 91ポイント92ポイント93ポイント (6子コメント)
[–]cuddlefucker 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]forzion_no_mouse 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント (18子コメント)
[–]lone_wanderer101 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント (0子コメント)
[–]GrizzlyBear_55 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント (5子コメント)
[–]KatalDT 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント (4子コメント)
[–]Agastopia 59ポイント60ポイント61ポイント (30子コメント)
[–]itisnotatumah 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント (5子コメント)