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What do you do? (self.zen)

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[–]ewk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (30子コメント)

It sounds like you don't study Zen... in fact, it sounds like you might be looking for a zazen-cooking subreddit where you can brag about how much merit you are accruing through sacred practices.

Thanks though for taking time out of your illiterate day to come in here and insult a lineage you have no interest in. It really underscores how well your practice is going.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (29子コメント)

.... Hmmm, well I only asked a question(s) and made no statements, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Did you want to answer one of any of my questions?

[–]ewk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (28子コメント)

What was your question? Was it "why don't Zen Masters teach Zazen prayer-meditation?" Or was it, "Why is Zen secular when Japanese Dogen Buddhism is so faith-based?" Or was it, "Where can I go to start studying Zen?"

Answer: Read a book.

[–]only_a_name 1ポイント2ポイント  (21子コメント)

Just read his/her post. This person was asking whether the readers of this forum have anything that might be called a "practice," in the currently accepted definition of that term. The question of whether or not any particular practice/activity/approach to life tends to facilitate an understanding or realization of zen is a valid one

[–]ewk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (20子コメント)

Since Zen Masters are viciously critical of "practices", the question, in the context of a forum about Zen Masters, suggests a religious agenda.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

MANY roads lead to the Path, but basically there are only two: reason and practice.

First line of the first book on your little list there.

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you can't say what the practice is, if you can't point to someone who has actually performed the practice and can testify to the result... then it's not much to go on.

Further, the author of that text is unknown.

Finally, in the context of everything that comes after, what does this "entrance" mean? Is it an instruction on how to become enlightened, or how to begin study?

[–]conn_r2112[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I still think you think I'm making some sort of claim about myself or some "practice" I may or may not hold... I'm asking about you! What are your thoughts? what do you do if anything?

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, I'm not thinking that you are making a claim about yourself.

I'm saying that a) "practice" is a term of art from Dogen Buddhism, particularly Soto. Further, that Zen Masters have been dismissive of "practice" in general.

I'm also saying that I've noticed that people will come into this forum, insist that a particular practice is what Zen Masters are talking about, have little evidence and not much study, can't find anyone who practices it, and then leave a short time later.

Finally, I'm saying that three Zen Masters wrote books themselves, and if anybody wants to know what they say about Zen probably that's a place to start.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

fair enough.. to address those..

a) I get it... but Im maybe just not as stringent about that terminology b) im not insisting on anything.. just legit curious about others. c) I'm not interested to find out what Zen Masters said at this moment.. im interested in what other people have to say about their particular interpretations or usage of that.

[–]KeyserSozen -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But ewk still sees penises everywhere...

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Freud wasn't a scientist, just like you aren't a psychologist.

In fact, given Freud's history of fraud and your history of alt_trolling this forum... wow. Spot on.

[–]KeyserSozen 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Sounds like you've got Freud-envy.

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Not interested in becoming famous for being a liar.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nope.. Question was "what do you do?" I'll take your answer as "read/study numerous zen texts".... A methodology well subscribed to by many a zen master if I remember correctly.

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't call it a practice. Foyan doesn't call it "a practice".

Foyan points out that there are lots of ways to examine yourself. I would add, parenthetically, that there lots of ways to fake it.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

that's fine... don't call It a practice, don't call it anything. But if we can just relax about terminology for a minute, do you have a particular way or method of examining yourself? perhaps one that Foyan recommended? perhaps not?

[–]ewk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think that every single moment is an entrance into self examination.

[–]conn_r2112[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you have a particular method for self examination? any particular place you look or focus etc? care to elaborate?

[–]ewk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think "a method" works. I've noticed that whatever people try to do for the sake of doing doesn't work out. It turns into taking medicine for the sake of medicine, not for the sake of illness.