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[–]balrogath 27ポイント28ポイント  (32子コメント)

They know this is what Philandro's mother DIDN'T want, right?

[–]MinnesotaLuke 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really? Didn't she just disavow violence? She didn't say anything about blocking highways did she?

[–]mythosopher 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes. Surprise, surprise, some asshole is trying to take a black person's comment out of context to manipulate a cause supporting black people.

[–]MinnesotaLuke 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol you would think if it was a mistake he would have just read my comment and corrected himself.

So I'm guessing it wasn't a mistake smh

[–]NotPercyChuggs 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

They don't care, they just want to agitate and incite the police who will be called to protect them from speeding cars.

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    [–]dullyouthWisconsin Bureau of Tourism -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    dont even say that shit

    [–]balrogath -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Suppose I don't want to give anyone any ideas.... deleted

    [–]dullyouthWisconsin Bureau of Tourism -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    coolthx

    [–]hotandtiredanddrySafely Driving on a Residential Street 7ポイント8ポイント  (19子コメント)

    His mother didn't want violence. This isn't violence.

    [–]balrogath 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Early reports said they were banging on car windows and other things like that.

    [–]alottanadda 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was there for a good majority of the protest, it was happening right outside my house. Didn't see any of that myself, for what it's worth.

    [–]hotandtiredanddrySafely Driving on a Residential Street 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Early reports tend to say a lot of things that late reports don't because early reports are often wrong.

    [–]adrienr 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

    The same can be said about officer involved shootings.

    [–]hotandtiredanddrySafely Driving on a Residential Street 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

    The same can be said about restaurant reviews? What's your point?

    If you're talking about the murder of Philandro Castile, then if you want to believe the words of a cop having a nervous breakdown over the words of someone with the calmness and presence of mind to not fall the fuck apart after witnessing the cops kill her boyfriend in front of her daughter, then that's your prerogative.

    [–]adrienr 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I'm speaking of officer involved shootings as a whole. Witnesses make statements that are later proved untrue. Jamar Clark was not cuffed. Michael Brown was not running from the officer with his hands in the air. Rather than act qualified to filter through evidence (which we have extremely little to begin with) I wait until it's all on the table to form an opinion. Crazy right? BLM does not seem to do the same. They continue to chant "hands up don't shoot" which now sounds more like a cry of ignorance than anything else. You want suspects to be treated innocent until proven guilty? Do the same with the police.

    I'm not saying police don't have issues, I absolutely believe that they do but this continued pattern of protesting events that are later shown to have happened radically different needs to end. Protesting things that don't exist needs to end. Exaggerating issues to get more people involved needs to end.

    [–]hotandtiredanddrySafely Driving on a Residential Street 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    But no one has conclusively shown that Jamar Clark wasn't cuffed. There is insufficient evidence either way because either the cops or the witnesses could be wrong and the DNA evidence is only conclusive if you really, really want it to be. And while Michael Brown might have contributed to his own demise, the situation in Ferguson was much larger than him. If you followed what was going on in Ferguson, you'd know that the police departments there were getting substantial funding via an oppressive regime of tickets and fines. While Brown might have been a rhetorical focus for the initial protests, they were actually about a huge problem separate from Brown (a problem which is changing, thanks in part to the protests).

    You want suspects to be treated innocent until proven guilty? Do the same with the police.

    I'm not a criminal court. I don't have to use their standards of proof. Which is great, because the world would cease to function if all facts needed to be determined via trial.

    And for police shootings, there's no guarantee that the results of an investigation will be consistent with reality. These are investigations conducted by people who are biased towards the police officer. Generally the results of these investigations are just inconclusive enough to blanket the cop in reasonable doubt.

    The fact that you personally don't think the protests are justified doesn't mean they aren't actually justified (or useful).

    [–]makeyoubutter 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    It's also important to remember these cases adrienr is talking about, the key word is justified. Unless they went to trial there was nothing to determine whether or not a crime was committed, only if either IAB or a Grand Jury found the actions reasonable and consistent with regard to departmental policy. When justification can be as simple as the officer fearing for their safety, all it takes is the people reviewing the case to agree there was a cause for that fear and that's it, the investigation stops.

    Which is a significantly lower bar than any civilian will ever be tried against. If you or I shot someone dead and used "I was afraid" as our justification, we'd be shit out of luck.

    Which is partly the point of these protests: the bar for determining justification is disgustingly low. Even when they do get it to a grand jury, the defense argues, essentially, the victim had a history instead of the facts of the case.

    [–]RungeKattaChose to be Minnesotan 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Don't even bother with /u/hotandtiredanddry, they just want to hate on the police, and civilized society as a whole

    [–]dankmernes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where are the early videos showing it?

    Or did everyone forget their cell phones today?

    [–]i_forget_what_i_do -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Do you really think she wanted people to go and gridlock freeways? How ironic would it be if she got stuck in traffic because of this shit?

    [–]hotandtiredanddrySafely Driving on a Residential Street 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you really think she wanted people to go and gridlock freeways? How ironic would it be if she got stuck in traffic because of this shit?

    You should just assume that whatever she wants it's identical to what you want. She'd probably want that.

    [–]assumetehposition -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Shhh they're just trying to bring purpose to their boring lives.

    [–]dankmernes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's great that all those racial profiling problems are solved and everyone is cool now

    [–]shakejunt454 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They just want to get that hipster chick poon tang