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[–]wehttam19Vox Eminor Fan 811ポイント812ポイント  (108子コメント)

Cya CSGOinsertnamehere.com I won't miss you.

Based on the wording though (the part about Steam not having a way to cash out) it sounds like OPskins could be hit too, which would be a shame but understandable.

[–]darth_noobOverpass Veteran 111ポイント112ポイント  (39子コメント)

At the same time it seems like it'll be up to Valve to choose who to stop.

[–]wehttam19Vox Eminor Fan 539ポイント540ポイント  (37子コメント)

Yeah we'll see.

All I know is mad shoutout to Tmartn, Josh/WeedsOG, Syndicate and the fourth guy for fucking up so badly that Valve finally did something.

[–]CSGORIPskins 69ポイント70ポイント  (27子コメント)

I think their main focus will be gambling websites, those who bet on matches, or simply act as middle man to sell / buy skins, might be safe.

[–]HexazeRenegades Fan 39ポイント40ポイント  (15子コメント)

Name checks out.

Edit: Your name is actually a gambling site...

[–]CSGORIPskins 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

Holy shit its a site, ahaha I didn't know that. Also I am using reddit in a weird way, always when I want to comment on something I create an account, comment a few times, then log out and forget about it o h well

[–]Semikatyri3DMAX Fan [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So i just found this cool username...

[–]Bulls-Always-HitMe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I only made like 69 comments but it was the best feeling ever

[–]aselwyn1Cloud9 Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I did the same thing in game put up csgorage as people always were getting pissed at me for ramdom reasons apparently that was a real site...

[–]pst0808 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I only won like 69$ but it was the best feeling ever

[–]your_mind_aches 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's insane paranoia. I respect it a lot.

[–]Zyeesi -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha I didn't know XD

[–]vigilantredditor 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Account was created today, if that means anything.

[–]TokiMcNoodleCloud9 Fan 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

And yours was 3 years ago. Your point?

[–]BabillG2 Esports Fan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey do mine, do mine!

[–]PneutTeam Liquid Fan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm no expert, but based on the number of rings, I'm going to say your account is around 15 years old.

[–]vigilantredditor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

anyone could have created an account to cash in on the karma. I mean, not that it matters, but I have created fake accounts on the day something big happens to cash in on karma (by making joke posts on circlejerk. Nothing serious or scammy).

[–]PmMePicsOfYourDog 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Is betting on matches not gambling?

[–]manofmonkey 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

betting on matches is different from skin gambling like CSGOWild. Betting on a match doesn't have an algorithm that can be abused. Every major sport has legitimate betting which supports its popularity. At least that is my opinion.

[–]PmMePicsOfYourDog 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I completely forgot that betting is different than gambling. My bad.

[–]oaddsandk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also betting on matches has some skill compared to flipping sites that are pure RNG.

[–]wtfiswrongwithit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements." tells me that OPSkins and similar isn't going to be against TOS.

CSGO lounge would be against TOS but it's up to Valve, obviously, to enforce it.

[–]Twilightdusk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait what does CSGOWild do then? I thought skin gambling meant betting on matches.

[–]jferdogTeam Liquid Fan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lottery/roulette/coin flips. The sites have nothing to with Counter Strike other than their currency.

[–]MrAllerstonTeam Liquid Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The difference between betting in traditional sports and eSports is that traditional betting has a system in place to prevent underage gambling.

OPSkins will most likely not be affected by this because they have a system in place to verify that the sellers and buyers on their site are over the age of consent in their jurisdiction. (3 valid forms of ID)

If CSGOLounge wants to stay in business, they will most likely announce that they are introducing a method of verifying that bettors are of a legal age.

Then again, they could just close down and the economy of CS:GO will crash. Who knows?

[–]manofmonkey [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fanduel which is a huge gambling site only asks you for your date birth for age verification and they do basically every major sport. I set up an account in less than a minute and was ready to bet on stuff in another. That may protect them legally but that doesnt stop underage people from betting at all. I see the bigger problem as the algorithms that can be manipulated on skin gambling. Betting isn't really an issue in my eyes since it relies on professionals to win or lose versus a computer deciding which can be easily manipulated.

[–]MrAllerstonTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A very good point.

We shall have to see what happens in the coming weeks.

[–]coreycubed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

fourth guy is Simpleflips, shoutout to Simpleflips 4Head

[–]Molright [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it was more so the law suit, cause that's real. Gabe doesn't care bout kiddy drama, just lawyers

[–]rodrigo8008Team Solomid Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never4get 4th guy

[–]ReallyLikesDucks 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What did joshweeds520xxx do? I heard the tmartn and syndicate thing.

[–]icytiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was also a co-owner.

[–]ReallyLikesDucks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh. Well fuck him even more. Hated him before and hate him even more now.

[–]ThelastTzariBUYPOWER Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.

This is about the lawsuit, not the scandal involving csgolotto. Their issue was not with valve but with the legality of not announcing their affiliation with the websites while they were promoting them.

[–]FurionPowahNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im pretty sure it wasnt because of this that they started to act against gambling sites but because they were sued for 'supporting' gambling

[–]Snaziko [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah they will ban the sites that use the api for gambling purposes not opskins(I hope)

[–]bympf 61ポイント62ポイント  (23子コメント)

That's actually one of my biggest concerns - that sites such as OPSkins, Bitskins and even CS:GO-trading-sites will be hit. That'd be a shame but you know...

[–]getgoodgetlmaoboxLuminosity Gaming Fan 24ポイント25ポイント  (16子コメント)

Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements.

Those aren't gambling lol

[–]return-zeroTeam Liquid Fan 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Making bots that send requests as users is breaking the user agreement. In this press release they are mentioning gambling directly but the user agreement encompasses all who act in the same manner. It's really up to valve's discretion as to how aggressive they want to get with this.

This press release isnt the actual contract, it just references the contract and adds some narrative to it relevant to the current issues.

[–]neggasauce 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Valve is cutting out the gambling sites because they are getting a lot of attention and want to distance themselves as much as possible. I see zero indication they plan to revoke API access for trading sites. Unsupported speculation is nothing more than a baseless opinion.

[–]ImUrFrand [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

it's just the gambling sites, not betting sites.

like lotto, like diamonds, not lounge, not fanobet, not bitskins. not opskins.

[–]typically_wrong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know betting is classified as gambling, right?

[–]CogginsCannon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They must have meant it in a general sense. It is essentially gambling, and the site is a buisness, but not legally a "gambling buisness".

But the user agreements must have had a rule saying steam accounts can't be used to create bots.

[–]softenikGuardian 2 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I wonder if sites like fanobet or csgolounge will be taken down. Overall these are not like literal "gambling" sites but betting sites. I liked betting some of my skins on teams :(.

[–]L0rdenglish 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

betting is gambling dude. anything with odds is gambling

[–]softenikGuardian 2 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah i know. But it's not as fucked up as those coinflip or roulette sites where you only count on pure luck. I liked analysing matches and betting few dollars on a team i like.

[–]Rowdy_Trout 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

theres plenty of sites you can bet real money directly on esports matches arent there?

valve just doesnt want people to use skins as replacement for money in betting.

[–]stationhollow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can still do that though. You just won't be able to do it with skins.

[–]L0rdenglish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah it sucks that I wont be able to say ez dragon lores but I can't think of a way for stuff akin to sports betting to exist while not allowing stuff like csgolotto

Valve might just deal with them last, but I think that it would set a bad legal precedent if they didnt do anything

[–]rzarecteh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think for a solid viewership of CSGO to remain you have to keep match betting in and it would be disappointing if they don't. The coinflip/% style betting can get lost though.

[–]Colt_0pzSK Gaming Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are automated so they may get hit too.

[–]clrksmlTeam Liquid Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope those sites won't be affected. They are a source of cheap skins.

[–]Waari6663DMAX Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you did not cash out months ago when all the first warning signs were there you only have yourself to blame.

[–]dissolvedpancreasiBUYPOWER Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll be sad if they take down tf2outpost or backpack.tf

[–]intecknicolourNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

blame tmartn, syndicate, joshog for ruining it for everyone with their greed.

[–]bympf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You serious? Come on, you can't be serious.

[–]dankvibez 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

OPSKINS does make people submit their info to make sure they are correct age etc. But it is not a gambling site.

[–]TokiMcNoodleCloud9 Fan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've never had to show any validation of my age at all. And I've cashed out a little over $800 from them so far.

[–]GenaricName [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I could be wrong but I think the policy on OPSkins is that you have to verify your age if a single transaction is over something like 400 dollars.

[–]HybridSpartan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I had to verify my age and I spent maybe $100 total, this was like 5-6 months ago through, so it may have changed. Same with bitskins.

[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

OPSkins has nothing to do with gambling? i really don't think this will hit them.

[–]k2CKZENmousesports Fan 40ポイント41ポイント  (14子コメント)

"Second, they create automated Steam accounts that make the same web calls as individual Steam users."

It should. They use bots as well.

[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

just seems like they're more towards targeting gambling sites though from the statement.

[–]dmr83457 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. There are probably others out there like popflash checking ranks which Valve would not have a problem with.

[–]Folsomdsf 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

The only care if the bots are being used for gambling.

[–]fght 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is how I interrupted it also.

[–]-PonySlaystation-Overpass Veteran 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's an assumption. It could also mean they care if the bots are being used for profit, or just in general (which is actually what it really sounds like) that the use of bots isn't allowed at all. And they decided to enforce that rule now.

[–]damnstraight_Team Liquid Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Valve clearly recognizes the uniqueness of the CSGO trading economy, and I feel like they wouldn't fundamentally endanger it by shutting down opskins and company.

[–]Folsomdsf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Allow me to quote Valve

Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements.

I didn't even bold the word that means you need to be quiet.

But I will point it out.

gambling

Yah dude, it's about gambling, not 'profit'. They never mention profit they mention GAMBLING, by the exact word, two times in the release they put out. It's about the GAMBLING.

You have been Rekt, would you like to be rekt again?

[–]rzarecteh 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they wanted to shut down OP Skins for the use of bots before this, they would have.

[–]cucklivesmatter209Team Liquid Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ya, it's not these sites that are causing the bad publicity. it's the underage gambling that's the big deal.

[–]your_mind_aches [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lots of bot accounts do the same without the real world money. Later on they say that using the API for gambling is what they don't want.

[–]aaaactioN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Valve even unbanned some hacked opskins bots in the past which got a nice VAC ban by the hacker

[–]Draxus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements.

Sounds like they only care about bots related to gambling.

[–]MadP4ul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It should have hit them months ago. It never was not against their ToS but still they are up. So i predict they wont care about what the ToS says this time aswell and just ban the actual problem which is just the gambling sites.

But in case they ban opskins this would completely crash the steammoney/realmoney conversion rate devaluing everything because many people would try to panic cashout. It would have a permanent impact on the conversion rate because no secure way to cashout would be left and thus making items as currency less attractive.

[–]iAmJustASmurf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

opskins bots have all been whitelisted by valve a while ago when the authenthificators came, I doubt theyll harm them now

[–]pacman529 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What is OPSkins.

[–]GeneralCronoiBUYPOWER Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

a site where you can sell/buy skins with PayPal cash

[–]MemoryLapse 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's always the community market.

Looks like people are going to have to actually pay the Valve tax now.

[–]TyCooper8Splyce Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It gives Steam inventories a real value, which they specifically brought up in this release as something they don't want. OPSkins is kill

[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"[–]Doctor_McKayDeveloper[M] stickied comment We don't do anything illegal nor do we do anything gambling-related, so we'll continue operation as normal."

[–]tgsan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency." Not sure why they'd mention this then, it will probably hit them.

[–]SoFarNotThrown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is against steams subscriber agreement to use OPSkins to sell skin for real world money.

[–]ImUrFrand [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

skin crash will effect opskins, all the gambling sites will need to cash out, and undercut their competitors, driving market down.

[–]Some_Stupid_CuntInferno Veteran 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nooo but CSGOstash was so useful

[–]Vipitis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it is more about the reports that valve are supporting those websites. They don't.

They offer the OpenID part and they helped admins with technical difficulties with mass requests and web calls.

They don't earn money directly.

They aren't buying items off those websites.

They earn money by people using the steam community market.

[–]Folsomdsf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey guys I just found this great new site called CSGOinsertnamehere.com

[–]ghostofmybrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it's twice as successful as their ability to stop !ws and !knife plugins on community servers, none of the websites will be shut down at all.

[–]ws_voltTeam Astralis Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it just says its not allowed to use steam API to make a gambling business, so OP skins should be absolutely fine.

[–]Aurum_MrBangs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol and Legendary Lea was looking to cash out skins to pay for her car, really hope it doesn't go down because I personally want to cash out my skins as im not playing that much anymore.

[–]SuperMechaCowVox Eminor Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think OPskins and the like are the biggest problem. They're what gambling sites use to turn skins into cash for themselves after they've ripped off little kids. Without these sites there would be no monetary incentive to do shady shit.

Unless gambling sites have another way of cashing out or monetizing the skins?

[–]JustADudeOfSomeSortTeam eBettle Fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

From how I read the wording, gambling websites will no longer be able to use the 'login through steam' thing..... And thats about it?

So gambling websites will have to create their own account systems. shrug

[–]ExplosiveLoliBaggage Veteran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OPskins and CSGOlounge's trading part aren't gambling operations, and therefore won't be shut down.

Valve has nothing against automated trading bots (if they did, they would have ever released an API), they're just preemptively covering their ass for potential future gambling lawsuits by showing that gambling with the API isn't allowed and that they've made moves to stop it.

[–]oodsigma8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Only one im sad about is csgo double and 500

[–]Bodomi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I hope everyone is reasonable and doesn't create exceptions and biases towards a few select websites.

[insert all gambling etc... websites] deserve to be shut down! It's finally happening! But... [insert a few websites this person uses] doesn't deserve to be shut down because [insert biased opinion/reasoning].

[–]Razor2143 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Valve has always had the attitude that skins aren't worth real money.

If OPskins don't cease turning skins into cash I doubt that Valve will overlook this.