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Although F4 may have been below expectations... (self.Fallout)

GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE が 投稿

It was nowhere near as bad as Herve Caen's plans for the franchise. While Beth and Post-2000 interplay share slightly similar beliefs - tending to the "cool kids" rather than long-time hardcore nerd fans - Fallout 4 is nowhere near as bad as F:PoS. Imagine now, if Herve Caen got his way, we would have brand sponsorships, slipknot, "soopr grafix", and all that other shite, bollocks and malarkey.

Thanks Bethesda, for not letting Interplay ruin Fallout.

(PS. I know that Black Isle [later Obsidian Entertainment] developed F1 and 2 while working under Interplay. They're great games, but replacing Fargo with Caen as CEO killed Interplay and lost all their fans)

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[–]DrarenThiralasLight in the Darkness 29ポイント30ポイント  (25子コメント)

It would be better if there was no Shaun in it

[–]43-8and55-10Nyeheh, there's the high roller! 25ポイント26ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yeah this was main problem in story. I felt no attachment to Shaun, I barely felt anything with Nora.

[–]SparklingInfrared 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

What I usually hear is that if you have a son/husband/wife, you generally feel a lot more sympathetic. Since most of us are unmarried with no kids that doesn't work for us.

[–]victrium 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

As a married person with a kid, this isn't true (at least for me.) I felt sympathetic in the way of "I bet my character probably cares" but I sure didn't. They should have watched Pixar's Up first - that's how you build a tragedy :(

[–]nonyabizznizz 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I still remember seeing that as a kid. Cried like a bitch in the first 5 minutes. Mom had to take me out of the theater (theatre?) because I was wailing too loud. Never finished it lol

[–]SurelyDrunkNCR Air Cavalry 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

...was 2009 that long ago?

[–]GarrryValentine101We'll Bang, Okay? 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seven years, duuuuuude.

[–]SurelyDrunkNCR Air Cavalry 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm turning into an old! Help me!

[–]GarrryValentine101We'll Bang, Okay? 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't resist, it's okay.

[–]HeavenAndHellD2argthe least scumbag group at least 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

holy shit it actually came out in 2009, i just had to check

[–]victrium 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit, I'm a grownup and I about cried myself.

[–]Used_PantsTunnel Snakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to disagree with this point. I believe that like most characters, the response is illicit we due to how well written or acted the character is and not based on the relationship to the player character.

As a young single person with no kids I didn't really care for Shaun or Nora at all. On the flip side however, The Last of Us evoked an incredibly strong emotional response from me with Sarah, Joel, and Ellie. Even though I was closer in age to Ellie than Joel when I first played it, I still felt incredibly strong paternal instincts for this artificial character. The reason is that The Last of Us managed to make her so realistic and had you connect with her through superb writing and voice acting.

Shaun on the other hand is a baby who you don't interact with at all until you meet him and he's a condescending old man.

[–]Langager90Bullseye 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Here's a wife/husband and child, you can interact with them! NOW LOVE THEM SO WE CAN MAKE THIS TRAGIC!"

[–]VonCrunchhausen 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

They should've done what they did in F3 and show your character in different points of their life before the war.

[–]Langager90Bullseye 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or even show our involvement IN the war, let us choose our fighting "style" which would then give us a perk - like "Steady Aim - Aiming through a scope is more steady." for a sniper character.

[–]AnastraceOld World Flag 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

That would have been interesting. Of course, what would you do for Nora? She was a lawyer, so social bonuses?

[–]Langager90Bullseye 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No idea, I honestly forgot to think about that.

[–]343babywhaa 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just make her a solider. They met on the front. She got preggers and got sent home. He stayed a little longer or something.

[–]ScarecrowsWord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But traditionalist American values!

[–]RenY_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, even then I only cared about James because of Liam Neeson. Building the game around the characters family should just be avoided tbh.

[–]AnastraceOld World Flag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno, I felt a connection to my survivor, but the other one was more like, oh hi Nate, let me just pry this ring off your finger, and I'll see you in hell.

Shaun though, I was interested in his story but I still to this day can not figure out his mini me obsession. Recapturing childhood? Making a gift for his parent? Which would be creepy as hell btw. I don't think synths y'know grow up, so you would have an eternal child.

My only regret is that I couldn't take Synth Shaun out behind the workbench and then mysteriously emerge with a bunch of spare parts.

[–]ReimersHead 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I took along time to customize Nora, so I did end up feeling sad; that being said I really felt nothing for Shaun.

[–]Drando_HSPSSSSH CHOO-CHOO 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This isn't unique to Fallout 4 though. Water chip, dad, Platnum chip, you could make the same argument for any of those games.

[–]43-8and55-10Nyeheh, there's the high roller! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would agree with you about dad in FO3 but even then there was more development with that relationship. As for the platinum chip you were motivated by its mystery or at least that was the case for me.

[–]BlueBogToad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The dialogue would be better served if they just made farm animal sounds.

[–]killbren_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The story was just s flip flop of what Fallout 3 was, they just both felt way too similar to each other it was extremely underwhelming

[–]AngryArmourFollower Technophile 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've searched for our Father, we've searched for our Son. Fallout 6 will have us as a synth searching for our Spirit.

[–]alexmikliHEY LLOYD! CATCH! 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I still wonder what would have happened if Bioware won the bid and not Bethesda.

[–]Pale-Aurora 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm the Sole Survivor and this is my favorite store in Diamond City?

[–]Mys-Brotherhood 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"We'll bang, OK?"

[–]Pale-Aurora 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We'll bang, OK?" is pretty much companion affinity in a nutshell.

[–]naabta 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love fo4. Still having a blast almost everyday.

But I feel like expectations were so high that it was inevitable that people would feel disappointed.

No doubt, if half life 3 is ever made, it will never live up to the expectations of fans.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah, NV set the bar really high. I guess we all forgot that Emil's lead writer now, not Kirkbride.

[–]_will_sex_for_foodHail to the King 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we petition to bring him back? Nit only is he just a better writer but he also basically invented all of the lore for the elder scrolls series, I want him back as lead writer man.

[–]Fucking_Your_MomEnclave 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't feel that it was solely due to expectations being too high. It was simply the fact that Fallout 4 was trying to be something it wasn't. RPG elements were completely stripped in favor of better gunplay and combat. And while Mountain Dew-sipping Bethesdrone dudebros might shitpost on here saying "lol guyz fallout 4 was gud, fuck the haterzzz!!!", I'm sitting here waiting for Obsidian to do a spinoff.

[–]circedge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except with Herve in the mix you won't set yourself up for disappointment. You know Bethesda does the same but you keep hoping someone gets struck by lightning and comes up with a good idea. But no.

[–]Charlt0nHest0n 9ポイント10ポイント  (38子コメント)

It was not below expectations.

[–]DriveSlowHomie 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that completely depends on what your expectations were. I'd imagine yours would be different from others.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

It fell flat in the RPG and story department. Gameplay and graphics were superb, buuuut they aren't why many people play Fallout.

[–]Lemmypemmycheck your smoothskin privilege 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

It was an good shooter, it just wasn't an RPG. It just wasn't what the fallout fans wanted, it's not a bad game, it's just a bad fallout game.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

that's...

that's just exactly what I said.

[–]GarrryValentine101We'll Bang, Okay? 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Experiment: Reply and see if you keep getting downvoted for no fuckin' reason.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wasn't me who downvoted, dude. I just upvoted you to get you back in the positive numbers.

[–]GarrryValentine101We'll Bang, Okay? 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was talking about you. You were getting downvoted for no reason.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, didn't notice. Thanks for the heads up.

[–]Lemmypemmycheck your smoothskin privilege 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasn't meant to be a reply to your comment. I meant to reply to the dude above you

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah, righty then.

[–]ZapActions-dower 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol memes

[–]ShotMarvinInTheFace 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had fun with it for what it was. Basically more of Fallout 3 but with Skyrims engine, and a wack upgrade system.

[–]FEMALES_PM_ME_UR_PMS 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was definitely below expectations if you were expecting a decent rpg

[–]Fucking_Your_MomEnclave 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great analysis bro! I loved how you explained why OP was wrong with a well thought out post!

[–]bobsbakedbeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I don't think he really owes an explanation to op or anyone else

[–]StewMcgoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's really hard to finish with you blatantly interrupting the circlejerk... Please be more of a TRU FAN thanks

[–]Wet-Goat 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time I come to this sub it seems most people, whatever there opinion may be, think they are a victim of a sub wide bias and are talking counter to the "circle jerk". It's gotten a little boring.

Seems to me it would just be easier to contribute posts and upvote where you feel appropriate, people may disagree with you but you can still keep posting. Worst comes to the worst then just check the sub at a different time of day, I've noticed it's had a funny effect on which opinions come forward.

[–]big_floppy_sockI was there at 00:00:01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

what are you talking about??? Nobody circlejerks in THIS subreddit!!

[–]NordicIceNipplesBounty Hunter -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

It was

[–]Charlt0nHest0n 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

No, it wasn't.

[–]NordicIceNipplesBounty Hunter 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

Definetly was. Better gunplay and graphics then new Vegas but in every other way New Vegas was superior.

Fallout 4 was disappointing

[–]rather_be_a_hobbit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Orange as far as the eye can see and a story where you have to buy DLC to actually expand upon and finish. Not too mention there were more bugs in NV than any other fallout game.

[–]343babywhaa 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Made in a year. Pushed out early by bethesda softworks.

DLC that exspands the story while having uniques themes and stories of thier own? Tell me what was autamotron about? Or wasteland workshop or what the hell is far harbor tying to convey to us as players.

Orange and amber coolers in a desert? Who fuckin knew it m80.

[–]_will_sex_for_foodHail to the King 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya know it's not like Bethesda was like "take it or leave it" with the development schedule, it was a contract, Obsidian was just a bit over zealous and didn't give themselves time for polish and fine tuning, no one is the bad guy here. And some people get mad at Bethesda because they promised Obsidian a bonus if they got a certain metacritic score (forget what) and they juuust missed it so no bonus. But think about it, an 88% won't give you the gpa bump that a 90% will so once again no one's the bad guy.

[–]rather_be_a_hobbit -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can defend the game all you want but the entire backstory of the courier and their actual story was split up into all of the DLC and finally unfolded during the last DLC. That never sat right and people blindly defend the cash grab that it was.

[–]Charlt0nHest0n -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Definitely wasn't. "Fallout 4 was disappointing" for you. I am having a blast.

[–]BarbaTenusSapientesI got that Old World Blues 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

It was. Something can be a disappointment and still be good. It's a good game, but a terrible Fallout game.

[–]Charlt0nHest0n 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

It wasn't. There is no such thing as a "good Fallout game" or a terrible one, Fallout 4 is as Fallout as New vegas or Brotherhood of Steel. It is either a good game, or a bad game, and opinions are personal, it's a bad practice to deal in absolutes.

[–]ec0gen 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was not below expectations.

it's a bad practice to deal in absolutes

Pick one.

[–]GingerSwanGNRNORMIES GET OUT OF NECROPOLIS REEEE[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"only sith deal in absolutes"

[–]NordicIceNipplesBounty Hunter 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fallout is a post apocalyptic RPG-FPS. (nowadays)

In Fallout 4 they focused only on the FPS side and completely removed the abillity to make your own character.

They removed skills and skillchecks. When you level up now you pick a perk and you're done. In previous games it was so much more complex and it made you invest in your character and encouraged several playthroughs with different builds.

Also fallout 4's dialogue system = Yes , maybe(yes) , sacrastic yes, More info before i say yes.

This is basically how i percieve fallout 4 compared to other games.

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A baby is drowning in the lake:

-Fallout 1

  1. Ask for more information

  2. Agree to help

  3. Decide not to help

  4. Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest

  5. Reveal too much information about yourself, causing the Super Mutants to track your vault more easily

-Fallout 2

  1. Ask for more information

  2. Agree to help

  3. Decide not to help

  4. Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest

  5. Pop culture reference about the baby

-Fallout 3

  1. Yes, I will save the baby

  2. Depends on the caps

  3. I will not save the baby

  4. [Intelligence] The baby is drowning

-Fallout New Vegas 1. I will save the baby

  1. I will not save the baby

  2. [Barter 30] Double the caps and I'll save the baby

  3. [Medicine 30] Thanks to my medical knowledge, I will easily be able to save the baby

  4. [Survival 15/30] Uh... yeah, I totally know how to swim

-Fallout 4 1. Yes

  1. No (Yes)

  2. Sarcastic (Yes)

  3. Hate babies

Fallout 4 is a good game but an awful fallout game.

EDIT: Love how the fanboys are downvoting without even reading it.

[–]Fucking_Your_MomEnclave 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think it's fanboys, it's Todd creating 15 alt-accounts to downvote you.

[–]HeavenAndHellD2argthe least scumbag group at least 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

[Intelligence] The baby is drowning

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