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[–]Power781 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (105子コメント)
Inb4 all website blocking withdrawal of items because they have magically less skins in stock than people have deposited
[–]CubedMadness [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (57子コメント)
People are gonna be sad when betting sites don't have enough skins to give out for their points.
Site's like csgo wild are probably already reaching lowish stock compared to 20 mins ago.
[–]glaird25 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (55子コメント)
No, the site owners are just going to take all the skins and leave now.
[–]Ahrounn [スコア非表示] 56分前 (49子コメント)
Yes!! There is no way the gambling sites gonna have enough skins for everybody. They are gonna just wait to see how is everything going on, if thing keep bad, bye bye skins.
[–]rockodss [スコア非表示] 50分前 (6子コメント)
CSGOdiamonds already have a ''bug'' with their withdraw.
[–]Sys_init [スコア非表示] 26分前 (2子コメント)
Color me extremely surprised
[–]depressionisfun [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
It'd be a miniature version of the great depression
[–]heartless_too [スコア非表示] 51分前 (0子コメント)
Relevant username.
[–]CrownlolTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 38分前 (0子コメント)
Fascinating, let's watch!
[–]Ackadacka [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
hahahahah yeah
[–]PM_ME_MESSY_BUNS [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
The Great CS:GO Panic
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 31分前 (1子コメント)
inb4 valve launches its own betting platform
[–]HAshtagNOSWAG_UMAD_BOpTic Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (48子コメント)
When were you when skin gambling was kill?
[–]HassikTRSplyce Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (19子コメント)
i was sat at home
[–]S2_Tact [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
when tmartn ring
[–]kijib [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
"I am sorry, pls forgive."
[–]Outypoo [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (8子コメント)
no
[–]Scouts_Other_Headset [スコア非表示] 55分前 (6子コメント)
and you?????????
[–]fluhx [スコア非表示] 42分前 (2子コメント)
[–]S2_Tact [スコア非表示] 39分前 (1子コメント)
Teamwork makes the meme work
[–]dixy48Fnatic Fan [スコア非表示] 58分前 (0子コメント)
kisses dog
[–]NohteSK Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (15子コメント)
I was sat at home eating doritos when GabeN ring
"Gambling is kill"
"no"
and you????
[–]dohrworkTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
"nyat"
[–]--bandit--Bloodhound [スコア非表示] 59分前 (0子コメント)
eating poppets
[–]wehttam19Vox Eminor Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (57子コメント)
Cya CSGOinsertnamehere.com I won't miss you.
Based on the wording though (the part about Steam not having a way to cash out) it sounds like OPskins could be hit too, which would be a shame but understandable.
[–]darth_noobOverpass Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (17子コメント)
At the same time it seems like it'll be up to Valve to choose who to stop.
[–]wehttam19Vox Eminor Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (16子コメント)
Yeah we'll see.
All I know is mad shoutout to Tmartn, Josh/WeedsOG, Syndicate and the fourth guy for fucking up so badly that Valve finally did something.
[–]CSGORIPskins [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (10子コメント)
I think their main focus will be gambling websites, those who bet on matches, or simply act as middle man to sell / buy skins, might be safe.
[–]bympf [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (13子コメント)
That's actually one of my biggest concerns - that sites such as OPSkins, Bitskins and even CS:GO-trading-sites will be hit. That'd be a shame but you know...
[–]getgoodgetlmaoboxLuminosity Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 50分前 (9子コメント)
Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements.
Those aren't gambling lol
[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (15子コメント)
OPSkins has nothing to do with gambling? i really don't think this will hit them.
[–]k2CKZENmousesports Fan [スコア非表示] 51分前 (7子コメント)
"Second, they create automated Steam accounts that make the same web calls as individual Steam users."
It should. They use bots as well.
[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 45分前 (1子コメント)
just seems like they're more towards targeting gambling sites though from the statement.
[–]Folsomdsf [スコア非表示] 45分前 (1子コメント)
The only care if the bots are being used for gambling.
[–]dankvibez [スコア非表示] 56分前 (0子コメント)
OPSKINS does make people submit their info to make sure they are correct age etc. But it is not a gambling site.
[–]Smelly_Puddingn!faculty Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (10子コメント)
I wonder what Phatoml0rd is going to stream now. Hehehe
[–]volv0plzValeria [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (7子コメント)
he'll go back to opening cases
[–]NGC_2359 [スコア非表示] 31分前 (5子コメント)
He just read it on stream. He thinks Valve needs OPSkins and CSGOLounge. He also mentioned that he is more focused on actually playing CS:GO now.
[–]daaznrichard [スコア非表示] 17分前 (3子コメント)
Maybe its just me, but everytime i go check out his stream its still him with his overlay up opening cases/gambling. Saying is different than doing.
[–]volv0plzValeria [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (72子コメント)
THIS IS HUGE
[–]casaQ [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
this is huge, dan
[–]StylishStuffGuardian 2 [スコア非表示] 41分前 (3子コメント)
this is great dan.
[–]OP_rah [スコア非表示] 19分前 (2子コメント)
goddammit dan
[–]BLU42ESEA Caster [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
YOU CANT DO THAT VALVE. THATS NOT ALLOWED. THIS ISNT A LEGAL GREY AREA, THIS IS A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
[–]caedas11Team Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
HIS TRADES ONLY HAVE ONE SKIN DAN
[–]ImVoiNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 55分前 (0子コメント)
HIS AWP DRAGON LORE SKIN HAS NO ZOOM DAN
[–]Kowalski_ESP [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
When the memes are on point 👌 👌👌 👌
[–]Kermz91 [スコア非表示] 58分前 (4子コメント)
Reference game incredibly on point
[–]jakejakekkCobblestone Veteran [スコア非表示] 33分前 (3子コメント)
What is the reference?
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (16子コメント)
This is Valve saying "cash out asap"
[–]EugeneMJCNatus Vincere Fan [スコア非表示] 54分前 (11子コメント)
Seriously. I wonder if the steam market will crash.
[–]martinsjus [スコア非表示] 36分前 (2子コメント)
with no survivors
[–]TG0D [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
HOLYVOLVO
[–]CrazyChopstickOverpass Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
Absolutely massive. But I guess all the gambling sites now need new methods of authentification, I don't think they are all dead
[–]Xodet [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
Doesn't matter if they auth their users another way. They aren't allowed to use bots to trade items. So if anyone wants to run a gambling site they need to have real people making the trades 24/7.
[–]Heyec [スコア非表示] 43分前 (6子コメント)
If the pay is good I am in.
[–]TooPoetic [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
That requires them to be able to determine if you are a bot or not. We all know how well that tends to go. In b4 captcha hell.
[–]fuckinggoosehappynow [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Hell yeah! Hope this really stops all the gambling sites.
[–]wickedplayer494 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (111子コメント)
Here's a question for Valvers that might be lurking: are there any distinctions being drawn between the RNG-based sites that videos were made about and more skill-involved sites such as the likes of CS:GO/Dota 2 Lounge when it comes to (finally) bringing the hammer down?
[–]volv0plzValeria [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (74子コメント)
yes, the big question. does this include CSGOlounge?
[–]Niklas11 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
To expand on this: I also wonder if someone sets up a site that require proper identification to make sure the users are of legal gambling age would possible be allowed.
[–]NohteSK Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
It exists. Unikrn.com has verification processes, but they currently only do it for the UK and Australia iirc. Waiting for them to come to Canada.
[–]PixelonTVCloud9 Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (15子コメント)
I really hope they distinguish between the two. They're completely different experiences and betting has a natural place in a growing scene like CSGO.
There is still the age regulation problem, though.
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
Who says the betting should be with skins tho
[–]NobleCronkerTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 42分前 (8子コメント)
I'd be more open putting a flat amount of $$ on teams than skins honestly
[–]OneOfTheSmurfsCache Veteran [スコア非表示] 34分前 (6子コメント)
Every big betting site has an esports section were you can put money on CS matches. They even have some cool special bets as well sometimes. That's where I've always been betting.
[–]thrillhouse3671 [スコア非表示] 48分前 (0子コメント)
I get that everyone here likes the idea of betting, but it's still gambling and should be illegal for children. And seeing as this game has millions of children playing, it's pretty unethical for Valve to just arbitrarily decide that the lounge sites are somehow exempt from this.
[–]linkzaoSK Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It seems like every website that uses bots to make trades will be affected by this.
[–]BitcoinBoo [スコア非表示] 47分前 (0子コメント)
HEre is my thought:
We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.
So this is them CYA and setting it up for future company stance/position as well as future litigation.
Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.
My guess is yes it will not be allowed. They dont want to invite issues with .gov's coming in to audit or fine.
[–]OntyyyyTeam EnvyUS Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
Well kids. It might be in your interest to withdraw your shit from gambling sites.
Because if some of these sites decide to close down don't expect them to kindly send you stuff :D
[–]DrakenZA [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (9子コメント)
Most likely already started. If i owned one of these sites, i would shut down and keep all the items. Its legal and best way to recoup.
[–]trullard [スコア非表示] 25分前 (2子コメント)
It's legal?
[–]MisogynisticCat [スコア非表示] 18分前 (0子コメント)
items dont legally have any monetary value so it isn't technically illegal
[–]NickyjhaCloud9 Fan [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
Valve has said over and over that skins "don't hold real monetary value", even though we all know that's not true.
[–]pattymcfly [スコア非表示] 34分前 (3子コメント)
Only if people are willing to buy skins anymore. Their value will most likely plummet.
[–]SurrfSiDE [スコア非表示] 28分前 (2子コメント)
Skins were here before these sites and they will be after. They are gonna drop for a while cause of the influx of items being put on the market. But just like after the StatTrak TradeUps the price will rise again.
[–]AndersOnFireAnders Blume [スコア非表示] 31分前 (14子コメント)
Just because twitter is a retarded place to have this argument ill write a few of my initial thoughts here:
Basically a lot of really big real-money betting sites are already in this space and more are looking to get in. The difference is these are in theory regulated so that under-age betting is much harder to do, which is a good thing. There are lots of other benefits with regulation and its actually a topic Ive been looking into lately but I wont go into that now.
There absolutely was a time where CS:GO viewership would have taken a huge dip if the APi had been restricted like this, because for a while a few sites became the only place people went to look for games basically. For a long time now these sites have lost that power partially because the CS:GO viewership is already mainly activated by bigger events, that people will generally watch just because.
Anyway, a fun thing maybe could be if some of these more well known sites that are regulated actually end up putting money back into the eco-system like they do in football(soccer if you love freedom), which would actually make for a much healthier system than one where people have to compete against the unregulated madness that was the skins gambling world.
I would still say a much greater threat to the health of the game, is over saturation and a lack of proper schedules which means there is just too much content.
[–]shooter12wow [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (19子コメント)
That was fast for valve
[–]N_IsMyName [スコア非表示] 46分前 (0子コメント)
Lawsuits do wonders.
[–]HakonschiaInferno Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
People have been wanting this for months lol
[–]wehttam19Vox Eminor Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
He did say for Valve
[–]DigiJ0eTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Valve time
[–]DuelityCloud9 G2A Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
People have been waiting for half life 3 for 12 years.
[–]T0likSK Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Visit whereisgordonfreeman.com
[–]karuso33 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
ValveTimeTM
[–]africanjesus [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Well this is just a statement, nothing has been done yet
[–]adamfppNuke Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (33子コメント)
RIP betting sites? Better get your items while you can, folks.
[–]Adserr [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Get fucked, get absolutely fucked
[–]thecodingdude [スコア非表示] 57分前 (3子コメント)
And, once you've been fucked, get fucked again.
[–]FAPMOSPHEREiBUYPOWER Fan [スコア非表示] 40分前 (2子コメント)
This guy fucks ^
[–]samayylmao [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (20子コメント)
rip m0e and PL
[–]DRAKDALTONTGTeam EnVyUs Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
and faze and all the players including fallen, s1mple etc who were probably getting a nice amount from their gambling sponsorship
[–]level23bulbasaurLuminosity Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 57分前 (3子コメント)
PL will be fine. People are still going to throw money at him to watch him open cases and do giveaways.
[–]aaaaaaaayyyyyyyylmao [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (7子コメント)
iirc phantom just opened cases before betting sites were a thing, moe didn't gamble at all
[–]SoulLover33 [スコア非表示] 37分前 (0子コメント)
PL will probably keep doing the same, opening cases and getting drunk.
[–]MikesHDTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
Playing cs against russians.
Gabe comes in, "tmartn is kill."
I say, "but equity isn't ownership ask JoshOG."
Where were you when gambling was kill?
[–]dryadofelysiummousesports Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Gambling is an ass, and we won't be working with it again.
[–]The-Kappa-EliteTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Gamble was banned,
Seriously, no..
[–]BoxxiFnatic Fanatic [スコア非表示] 52分前 (1子コメント)
Who said equity isn't ownership? Is that a direct quote? LOL
[–]MikesHDTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 45分前 (0子コメント)
JoshOG said it on a stream when trying to cover it up.
[–]BitcoinBoo [スコア非表示] 50分前 (0子コメント)
Here are the parts that I felt covered the important parts:
they even warn you folks to get your inventory in order before the hammer comes down. you guys need to thank valve for giving you guys heads up.
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Holy fuck, if the big boys go down it's gonna be massive. RIP in pepperonis
[–]Esg876 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (13子コメント)
This is massive, but I wonder how many operators will just close down and run with all the items they have and not allow users to withdraw
[–]unexpectedrebootsTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
The vast majority.
[–]TUROKCR7 [スコア非表示] 35分前 (8子コメント)
I have 5.5k$ on csgowild and they already turned off the withdraw.. i am so scared atm .. xD
[–]ColeBMTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 25分前 (0子コメント)
Sorry to tell you but you are most likely fucked.
[–]x410Twitch Employee [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (21子コメント)
PogChamp we did it PogChamp
[–]CruizyyTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 56分前 (13子コメント)
Only a true twitch admin would use emotes in Reddit. 4Head
[–]cowpace [スコア非表示] 13分前 (0子コメント)
Using twitch emotes on Reddit in 2016 LUL
[–]deltaryan17 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (26子コメント)
The Skin Crash Is Here
[–]lilweezy99Natus Vincere Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I tossed all my skins and found some weird game.. global offensive, i think you shoot terrorists or some shit
[–]attrition0 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
oh you mean shoot cop simulator 2012, i heard you blow up stuff as terrorists in there, doesn't seem right
[–]serpentCSTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (20子コメント)
I actually think prices will go up considering these gambling sites made it easier to obtain knives.
[–]GrantWontFindThisG2 Esports Fan [スコア非表示] 58分前 (4子コメント)
Yeah but the skin value was mostly maintained because of gambling. Once the skins have no value for gambling and can't be used for that, who knows a lot less people might want them.
[–]d0p3t [スコア非表示] 31分前 (2子コメント)
in other words, it only applies to skins that were used for gambling i.e AWP Asiimov's or AK Red-lines. Other high valued knives/rifles will get a little dip now, but the value will stabilize in a couple of weeks.
[–]willdrum4food27 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Someone had to of unboxed the knife in the first place, the gambling sites didn't produce them. The prices should go down because people who had large inventories for the sole purpose of gambling will be looking to liquidate. Even more so if people are looking to cash out super fast if they think OPskins will be getting hit.
[–]angelOFnoise [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (14子コメント)
"We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency."
"Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary."
[–]Agastopia [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
Sounds like OPskins could be hit too :/
[–]ItzNellisNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 58分前 (1子コメント)
OPSkins isnt a gambling business
[–]ZainLoL [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (21子コメント)
But wait cant people just use their steam trade links to still gamble? Since from what i understood atm you need to login through the API of steam. If u gamble and gambling sites just need ur trade url its allowed right?
[–]Izzno [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (8子コメント)
That's what I am thinking. The sites can decentralize this whole thing and do the heavy lifting without Valve's API. It will probably not be as seamless but could work for sure.
[–]S2_Tact [スコア非表示] 54分前 (0子コメント)
That's what the top reply to the top comment was but mods removed it. You're absolutely right.
[–]hsfan [スコア非表示] 38分前 (1子コメント)
https://en.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4sp55w/ingame_item_trading_update/d5b22xg
[–]2016161617 [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
valve is covering their ass at this point. by denying the gambling sites their api or whatever, valve is literally saying "look at me burn this bridge to these shady motherfuckers. i have nothing to do with these guys" so if the gambling sites figure a workaround, valve has done their due diligence so the finger can't be pointed at them in lawsuits and things
[–]HakonschiaInferno Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So I found this new site, sadly it's going to shit now.
[–]ytzy [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
looks like they have "heard" about all this gambling shit and decided to pull out before the shitstorm :D
[–]wingsaintlolTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
they got sued twice already
shitstorm has already began
[–]Soulmemories [スコア非表示] 54分前 (7子コメント)
I do not condone gambling sites at all. But it's a bit hipocritical for Valve to deny gambling sites access to their API calls because they're "gambling" when the very nature of buying a key, then getting a skin that has some market value attached to it is gambling as well. Valve is using moves to cover their ass in the upcoming lawsuit but you cannot tell me that the crate system is not a form of gambling. It's the exact same thing with baseball trading cards and MtG cards. It's all gambling.
[–]Kolima25 [スコア非表示] 31分前 (0子コメント)
Thank you CSGOlotto!
[–]iwinalmosteverybet [スコア非表示] 40分前 (6子コメント)
if you thought this majors numbers were low, just wait for the next
[–]MisogynisticCat [スコア非表示] 11分前 (2子コメント)
relevant username thinking betting controls viewership numbers EleGiggle
[–]relaaNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
why am i smiling? I didin't even bet on any site.
[–]livedehtesiarp [スコア非表示] 24分前 (2子コメント)
Think of all the degenerates having a meltdown right now. I'm beyond ecstatic
[–]ShatteredggAstralis Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Holy shit valve stepped up and did something, this is going to be huge, i'm going to assume the market for skins will crash as well with hundreds of people trying to cash out. Might be time for me to trade for keys and wait for prices to drop. Hopefully this will mean all of the really big gambling websites will get shut down or at least have to be approved by valve in terms of how they operate.
[–]gimmeghostchops [スコア非表示] 37分前 (0子コメント)
And all it took were a couple of class action law suits and very prominent streamers being involved in a massive gambling scandal! Woop woop!
[–]Lucky_KvackNatus Vincere Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
That's a strong message.
[–]ConnorK5iBUYPOWER Fan [スコア非表示] 42分前 (0子コメント)
Everyone with skins on these sites and the site owners ATM
[–]flawless_mouse [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (38子コメント)
So will this lower or raise the prices of knives/skins?
[–]Ackadacka [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (27子コメント)
lower by a metric fuck load.
[–]VogtTheGOAT [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (21子コメント)
No way. Before gambling knifes were still expensive as fuck. The prices will drop but not by much
[–]S2_Tact [スコア非表示] 55分前 (14子コメント)
Exactly. People here are acting like Vulcans will be $5 by the end of the day
[–]SneakyBadAssLuminosity Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 50分前* (0子コメント)
Depend on actual rarity. Not created by gambling monopoly but ability to find it.
I would say usual "rare" skins like kill confirmed, Vulkan etc will go rapidly down. More "vanity" skins which are hard to obtain will go up.
[–]adamw0wNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
rip gambling thank FUCK
[–]MaxoJggwpNuke Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So guys i just found this new update.
[–]DisciplusHC [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Good.
[–]matthewhale [スコア非表示] 48分前 (0子コメント)
2nd'ed.
[–]ImmFlameZAstralis Fan [スコア非表示] 52分前 (9子コメント)
https://www.reddit.com/r/opskins/comments/4sp94j/what_could_this_mean_for_the_future_of_opskins/d5b2cfs
op skins is fine bois.
[–]Ekaros3DMAX Fan [スコア非表示] 47分前* (7子コメント)
Says opskins...
On other hand Valve:
And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.
EDIT: http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ Relevant:
As a Subscriber you may obtain access to certain services, software and content available to Subscribers. The Steam client software and any other software, content, and updates you download or access via Steam, including but not limited to Valve or third-party video games and in-game content, and any virtual items you trade, sell or purchase in a Steam Subscription Marketplace are referred to in this Agreement as “Content and Services”; the rights to access and/or use any Contents and Services accessible through Steam are referred to in this Agreement as "Subscriptions." You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) or as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve.
As a Subscriber you may obtain access to certain services, software and content available to Subscribers. The Steam client software and any other software, content, and updates you download or access via Steam, including but not limited to Valve or third-party video games and in-game content, and any virtual items you trade, sell or purchase in a Steam Subscription Marketplace are referred to in this Agreement as “Content and Services”; the rights to access and/or use any Contents and Services accessible through Steam are referred to in this Agreement as "Subscriptions."
You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) or as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve.
So they can hit these sites.
[–]Z3_1337G2 Esports Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (14子コメント)
Will this affect OPSKINS? Probably a stupid question.
[–]GuttersnipeTVOffice Veteran [スコア非表示] 39分前 (0子コメント)
It's not a stupid question that's reasonable to ask.
[–]MKalliadesSplyce Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (15子コメント)
Rest in peace gambling, I assume this means that betting sites are also going to be shut down for using the same API web calls?
[–]AnonOmis1000 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
Is betting not gambling?
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (2子コメント)
Well, the API is there for a reason. I don't think they'll target betting but would need to read the ToS they claim these sites are breaking
EDIT: Here's the link to the Steam API terms of use
[–]iplaywowlulTeam SoloMid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
So, What does this do for high priced items? Off the market items are gonna crash so hard
[–]Milkz [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Oh man. Looks like we're gonna have more streams to watch gameplay.
[–]BoltzTVCloud9 Fan [スコア非表示] 40分前 (5子コメント)
They should just make instant trading 18+ and if you're under 18 you have to wait 24 hours to trade so they can't participate in this. Steam already makes you prove your identity for selling too many items.
[–]CrockADial24 [スコア非表示] 35分前 (0子コメント)
So no more gambling kidoes.
[–]soggyburrito [スコア非表示] 22分前 (0子コメント)
HIDE YO SKINS. HIDE YO KNIFE.
[–]Dasupalouie [スコア非表示] 34分前 (0子コメント)
Wow, Ethan! Great moves, keep it up, proud of you!
[–]Infinity1153Valeria [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Holy Fuck RIP gambling
[–]merp1991 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
excellent.
[–]yannickcsgo [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (20子コメント)
ELI5 someone.
edit: does that affect sites like csgolounge.com & dota2lounge?
[–]AnonOmis1000 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Valve gets no money from gambling sites.
Operating a gambling site goes against the user agreement for both Steam and Steam's API (the thing that allows third party sites to get information from your Steam account such as your inventory (don't worry no sensitive info is leaked)).
Valve will now begin telling these sites to stop operating or else they will potentially take legal action against them.
[–]HwanZike [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (7子コメント)
Valve will actually pay more attention to bots using their Steam API and actually ban them from operating if they deem it breaks their ToS, which could include gambling, turning items into cash, etc
[–]hsfan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
"And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency."
Sounds like OPskins would get hit aswell, since this seems to be something they do not like.
[–]AnonOmis1000 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Nooice
[–]SeppakuLGB eSports Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
YES!
[–]AnonOmis1000 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)
Does anyone know if this effects sites like OPskins, where there is no gambling but still break ToS?
[–]-___-___-__-___-___-Office Veteran [スコア非表示] 38分前* (5子コメント)
I've made a list (that hopefully at least one person sees yay ), as to why Valve would do such a move.
With this whole shitfest that's been going on with gambling sites, this might be a way of preventing a large lawsuit against Valve (although unlikely).
They can finally profit on more expensive skins. Valve don't make any money from these gambling sites, so by shutting them down, prices and such may decrease and lead to certain items fitting within the Steam Market's $400 range (meaning that they profit via Steam Tax).
They'll be seen as the good guys. Honestly, although it took longer than many would like to, huge props to them for having the balls to make such a move. I'm glad we can put away a chapter where shady-ass sites with rather questionable methods of operation profiting from many under-aged people can be put behind us.
I'm honestly so glad this is taken into place. My only worry would be to see where the CS:GO economy is headed now that gambling have been completely removed in the blink of an eye. And to those people who have money pending on these sites, cash out right fucking now. Most gambling sites will now shut down and keep such pending money from accounts, and say that "well, Valve left us no choice but to shut down" bullshit to keep your money.
This is a rare, but beautiful sight. Thank you Valve.
EDIT: Added a couple of more things
[–]MiracleDoughnutTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
does this mean just the gambling sites or csgolounge too? huge, either way
[–]MriTzii [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
holy fucking shit it's happening. everybody cash out quick
[–]sazern [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Should you sell your skins?
[–]exitium1Mirage Veteran [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
RIP Gambling! Didn't expect this all of a sudden really
[–]NiklishTeam Astralis Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
I wonder what all those gambling streamer now do...
[–]volv0plzValeria [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
they go back to opening cases
[–]taketcNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
BOYS ITS HAPPENING
[–]huntermaslowsky [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Does this include opskins & presumably csgolounge also?
[–]AquaAura_ [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
volvo the madmen they actually did it
goodbye csgogivemeyourmoney
[–]JonasLoL [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
RIP Phantoml0rd's stream x)
[–]axis64bit [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
TF2 never had gambling and unusual hats are still pricey af
[–]BFhumaN [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh well, good bye streamers who lives on gambling. GET_REKT
[–]-SpaceGhost-Victory [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Good Riddance.
[–]Sumetri [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
RIP Phantomlords stream.
[–]TraditionsNATeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Wait so are they going to be getting rid of trading as a whole or just stop letting gambling sites use the API? Also what does this mean for sites like OPSkins?
[–]Siegfried_EbaFnatic Fan [スコア非表示] 58分前 (0子コメント)
Mods, sticky this mofo
[–]desopxE [スコア非表示] 53分前 (0子コメント)
SELL ALL THE SKINS! Is what I would say if I HAD ANY.
[–]Bpopen [スコア非表示] 53分前 (0子コメント)
RIP CS go economy LUL
[–]KaptainKornTeam Astralis Fan [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
So... Does this mean that the prices of skins are going to go down?
[–]ConconWTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 51分前 (0子コメント)
TY CSGOlotto
[–]Icant_math [スコア非表示] 50分前 (0子コメント)
The way I see it is its steam doing their part to look like they are trying to in gambling war. So if the shit hits the fan media wise they can say look but we tried this to stop it. I feel like it might be a little set back but there will be ways around what ever the implement. I feel that sites that involve gambling could be effected in some ways but it wont stop sites like opskins etc. You might have to do things differently but ultimately steam wont want to kill one of their biggest cash cows which is resale of items on steam. They know that it will be a huge loss to their income if the market crashes and no company in their right mind will do that.
[–]lolkittensFnatic Fanatic [スコア非表示] 45分前 (0子コメント)
"Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity." - Valve
Take Valve's advice and sell everything before it's worth nothing.
[–]Mandymandyman [スコア非表示] 44分前 (0子コメント)
July 13, 2016. The day skin gambling died.
[–]FJ_lordTeam Liquid Fan [スコア非表示] 42分前 (1子コメント)
Important question: is this mechanism that Valve is shutting down a mechanism that all gambling sites rely on? Does this inherently make skin-gambling impossible?
Or do some sites rely on different mechanisms? Different ways of interacting with the API?
[–]dbkbrkNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示] 42分前 (0子コメント)
this is extreme even by valve standards
[–]Tester821Team Liquid Fan[🍰] [スコア非表示] 41分前 (3子コメント)
I can't wait until I can finally buy a knife!
[–]fro2short [スコア非表示] 40分前 (0子コメント)
Haven't seen this mentioned but is it fair to wonder how this will impact the pro scene? Obviously a lot of viewership comes in because of the betting scene. If the betting scene takes a hit, how many less viewers will be watching events?
Viewership just fell off a cliff at Cologne after growth at each major going into 2016. Even if you ignore events, I feel a significant amount of interest in league seasonal matches or random tourneys comes from the betting community. Wonder what the impact will be..if at all(?)
[–]dannyfanny08 [スコア非表示] 37分前 (2子コメント)
Are people more annoyed at the gambling/betting thing as a whole or just the under age aspect. I'm of legal gambling age and I bet on games using lounge and it does make watching them more fun. Gambling should be regulated but I don't think it's fair for those users who are of gambling age.
[–]sjalfurstaralfur [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
rekt
[–]gamerpuppy [スコア非表示] 35分前 (1子コメント)
I'm curious of the reasons people think this is a good thing. I can only see this as a bad decision for the game. Part of the reason Global Offensive succeeded in becoming a top 3 esport is the large interest betting sites generated for tournaments and in game skins. I bet Valve is going to lose a lot of money over this because the price of skins is going to crash when they can't be used for betting. Basically I think this marks the inflection point for csgo's success and it certainly marks the end of an era.
[–]aybrothaCounter Logic Gaming Fan [スコア非表示] 34分前 (0子コメント)
I think this could narrow it down to people who like the game more :)
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