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Political DramaIs \#NeverHillary the definition of white privilege? If you disagree, does that make you a Trump supporter? /r/EnoughSandersSpam doesn't go bonkers discussing it, they grow! (self.SubredditDrama)

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So here's the video that started the thread, in which a Clinton campaign worker (pretty politely, considering, IMO) denies entry to a pair of Bernie supporters. One for her #NeverHillary attire, the other one either because they're coming as a package or because of her Bernie 2016 shirt. I only watched that once so I don't know.

One user says the guy was rather professional considering and then we have this response:

thats the definition of white privilege. "Hillary not being elected doesnt matter to me so youre being selfish by voting for her instead of voting to get Jill Stein 150 million dollars"

Other users disagree, and the usual accusations that ESS is becoming a CB-type place with regards to social justice are levied.

Then the counter-accusations come into play wherein the people who said race has nothing to do with this thread are called Trump supporters:

Here

And here

And who's more bonkers? The one who froths first or the one that froths second?

But in the end, isn't just all about community growth?

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[–]fuckthepolis2You have no respect for the indigenous people of where you live 59ポイント60ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you just make up that quote, or are you ascribing to them something that you think is there but aren't sure, and then attacking them for it?

God I love political discourse.

[–]typicaliconoclastButter free, extra salt 50ポイント51ポイント  (7子コメント)

Being a Bernie supporter who was embarassed by the insanity of some of his supporters, it's nice to know there are nuts everywhere.

[–]seangull32 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That's what's great about this election, we can all be embarrassed by supporters on both sides, no matter who we're voting for

[–]lacedemonianWARNING! Links posted by this user may lead to TV Tropes [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

https://youtu.be/jIvwupbScpM

[–]tremuloBernie '#420BernIt' Sanders [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hoo boy that hits home. Honestly it's gotten so bad on S4P that I think some of the people who are calling out anyone who even deigns to mention the remote possibility of party unity as trolls are themselves trolling at this point.

[–]dtz12 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

this is a whataboutism election through and through. every candidate has baggage. every side has embarrassing supporters. every part of the establishment is shitting the bed. hypocrisy abound!

edit and yeah, i know this xkcd is going to be apt, but golly jee, i stand by this. what a waste. 2016, you've gone ahead and disappointed us all.

[–]Magooniea.k.a JOHN CENA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I loved the Samantha Bee segment where she highlighted a crazy Bernie supporter who had been making the rounds recently. Then basically said "Sander supporters getting crazy, not like Clinton supporters. Amiright?" Which led to the crowd clapping. Then she played a video of a crazy Hillary supporter after Obama won. Then she made the point that all candidates have their crazies.

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    [–]MrNotSpecifiedDovah-kin 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Seeing the rhetoric and name calling in these threads has finally made me understand why so many people hate each other in politics.

    [–]Not_for_consumption 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    And given the insulting language how is any political supporter surprised that they are unable to convince either the other side or undecided voters to vote for their (the supporter's) candidate.

    [–]Tambien [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Seriously. It's like Clinton supporters don't understand that them spending months condescending the fuck out of all Sanders supporters doesn't exactly endear them to her as a candidate. Or like Bernie supporters not understanding why Clinton people resist giving in to their demands when they spent months calling her, essentially, the Antichrist. People are idiots.

    [–]lacedemonianWARNING! Links posted by this user may lead to TV Tropes [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You can be right all you want. But if you're an asshole about it, people will decide to be wrong just because they hate you.

    [–]IvanIlyich [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This is both sad and very, very true. It's too easy to succumb to stupidity born from spite at times.

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      [–]Hazachu 265ポイント266ポイント  (399子コメント)

      Honestly, I completely agree. I'm Muslim so I really view these "progressive" never Clintons as selfish dicks, because I know if the kind of rhetoric directed at Muslims and Hispanics were directed at them by Trump they'd vote for Clinton in a heartbeat.

      [–]notshynorarrogant 38ポイント39ポイント  (155子コメント)

      They can also vote for someone else who's not either Clinton or Trump.

      It's a sad state of affairs for your democracy when you have to legitimize someone you don't agree with because "otherwise, you are helping the other side"

      [–]Hindu_WardrobeEllen Pao's oppressive kegels 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The issue is with first-past-the-post. :/

      [–]BoojumG 137ポイント138ポイント  (22子コメント)

      It's a natural consequence of having a first-past-the-post voting system. Voting for anyone but the winner makes your vote have no effect.

      I wish we'd adopt something else, like instant-runoff voting where you can list your top 3 or so in order of preference, so you can list your real choice first without worrying about the spoiler effect that you're pointing out.

      [–]AtomicKoala [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      It's a bad system in a parliamentary democracy, a terrible system in a presidential one. FPTP does not necessarily cause a duopoly in parliamentary systems, it does in presidential systems.

      One day when we restore control it will be one of many things we fix.

      [–]BoojumG [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      I was with you until the last line. Who's "we'"?

      [–]AtomicKoala [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      The European Caliphate.

      [–]BoojumG [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Will that be for koalas only, or can humans come too? I can probably scrounge up small amounts of radioactive material if the "atomic" thing alone would also be enough to qualify.

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        [–]Hazachu 71ポイント72ポイント  (64子コメント)

        It's a sad state of affairs for your democracy when you have to legitimize someone you don't agree with because "otherwise, you are helping the other side"

        I agree, and I wish it was different, but the way our democracy is set up is that by voting third party you really are helping the other side.

        [–]_Thrillho__ 18ポイント19ポイント  (47子コメント)

        I agree, and I wish it was different, but the way our democracy is set up is that by voting third party you really are helping the other side.

        That's really only true for swing states. The rest of the country can relax and vote third party. It sends a message that there are votes out there that can be captured by the major parties by adopting new positions.

        [–]PandaLover42 48ポイント49ポイント  (10子コメント)

        After brexit, I don't wanna take chances with my vote, at least not this cycle, even in non-swing states.

        [–]nodisko [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

        I think that the only good thing to come from brexit is that a lot of people have realized the importance of their vote and what can happen if you use it spitefully or not at all.

        [–]HeckMonkey [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        You'd think 2000 would have taught people the same lesson.

        [–]nodisko [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I think it did, but there wasn't another major vote close enough to it that the knowledge was applied. After a while everyone just forgot and went back to business as usual, now though this is all pretty close together.

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            [–]walkthisway34 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            If you live in a non-swing state that is usually Democratic and went for Trump, the election would have been over long before that. And the flip side of that, if you live in a solidly Republican state that went for Clinton, Trump would have lost long before that as well. Brexit was a national referendum, it wasn't decided on an electoral college, so it's not really a good comparison.

            [–]ostrich_semenAntisocial Injustice Pacifist 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

            It's really not though, because third party votes are a bigger vote against the major candidate you prefer- you're splitting THEIR vote. Trump couldn't care less if you vote third party because you were never going to vote for him anyway. If you vote for Hillary, you're doing more damage to him.

            Voting for the major candidate you prefer, even in a solid state, sends a message on the state, county, and national level that there is a price tag on nominating someone like Trump.

            There's also the fact that if you're a member of a group that Trump has targeted, there is a very real, practical difference between living in a county that goes +30% Trump and a county that goes +5% Trump.

            [–]nowander [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            It sends a message that there are votes out there that can be captured by the major parties by adopting new positions.

            The problem is "new positions" is kinda meaningless. Okay Jill Stien gets more votes then usual. The question is now why? Is it because Clinton isn't liberal enough? Is it because the voters think Clinton isn't liberal enough because they can't be asked to look up policy positions? Is it because they bought into the Republican hate machine and think Clinton is literally a witch and a murderer? Is it because they really really like homeopathy and think that it should be recognized as medicine?

            Everyone's got a different answer to that, including the people who vote Green.

            [–]_Thrillho__ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Sure there are different reasons, but people are still voting for one third party over another. More liberals are going to vote green rather than libertarian. If you just go along in a non swing state, there is zero incentive for either party to change anything. If they see a third party siphon off enough votes, there is a least some incentive to change something.

            [–]Hazachu 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

            That's a position I haven't considered. I think that is reasonable.

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                [–]sultanpeppah 38ポイント39ポイント  (46子コメント)

                Part of the frustration is that Clinton and Sanders shared something like 85% of the same platform, and just spent a week conceding even more of her platform to Sanders, but it still isn't enough. If someone wants to.admit they just don't like Clinton for personality reasons, I think that's silly but it's understandable. The people who still insist her platform is some unacceptable.abomination are just infuriating.

                [–]PirateGriffin 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

                I'm not a Bernie guy and will be voting for Hillary but her foreign policy is worth objecting to imo

                [–]sultanpeppah [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                It is, but it is rarely objected to in a thoughtful way. People want to talk about Libya as if Clinton personally ordered in platoons of soldiers and razed every structure in the country to the ground, all while giving ISIL the wink wink to come on in. In fact it was primarily a French and British operation, and frankly I refuse to accept that leaving Gaddafi in power to murder his populous would have been the right decision at the time.

                [–]TheOldDrake [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                I also honestly believe the memory of what happened in Rwanda strongly influenced Clinton's stances there, and with good reason.

                [–]sultanpeppah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I can't imagine it wasn't at least somewhat on her mind, yeah.

                [–]FrenchQuaker [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                Where does her FP diverge drastically from Bernie? Bernie voted for intervention in Iraq in the 90s, voted for intervention in the Balkans, voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force, etc.

                [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                She actually has experience and has spend the last couple of years under fire for it while he has no experience and nobody attacked him. That's basically what it boils down to. That old adage that no press is bad press is a lie. In the case of Clinton, bad press is really what made this primary season at all competitive.

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                    [–]ostrich_semenAntisocial Injustice Pacifist 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They can also vote for someone else who's not either Clinton or Trump.

                    No, you really can't.

                    If voting was blind, and you didn't know what the polls showed (that Clinton and Trump are the leading candidates), you'd be entirely justified in voting for your favorite candidate.

                    But because you have information about who leads the race, you know that if you prefer Clinton over Trump, the vote that actually represents that preference is a vote for Clinton.

                    If you think it's a sad state of affairs that you have to vote strategically rather than with pure preference, I encourage you to get involved at http://www.fairvote.org/

                    [–]Theta_Omega 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It's a sad state of affairs for your democracy when you have to legitimize someone you don't agree with because "otherwise, you are helping the other side"

                    But that's how it actually works, in this case. It's the same reason why the US always returns to two-party systems, and why third parties don't gain lasting support unless one of the major two withers away.

                    It's a game theory problem, and equilibrium here is a two party system. In any system with two options, not voting/opting out is functionally a protest vote against the candidate closer to your views.

                    The only way to change the solution of the equation is to change its set-up, which here means amending the Constitution to change how elections are set-up (which would be complicated for a variety of reasons).

                    [–]ramenshinobi [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

                    Eh, I don't have a problem with less political choices. In Canada and the States any party who is elected must govern with some moderation and near the centre lest they piss off most of the country. In PR systems it is such a clusterfuck and governments can only rule through coalition and sometimes you need a small party to have a majority and sometimes you get people like the Yisrael Beiteinu in Israel or other extremists in government. Give me a system where people like that cannot get elected in powerful positions.

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                        [–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 212ポイント213ポイント  (549子コメント)

                        It totally is though. The only people who can afford to say #NeverHillary are people who wouldn't actually be affected by a Trump presidency. They are putting the preservation of their own ideological purity over actually doing good.

                        [–]DragonPup 75ポイント76ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        Let's also not forget that the GOP is adopting a platform in favor of gay conversion therapy which is barbaric and drastically raises the suicide rate of children forced to go through it. It's crazy that people who complained that Clinton was not pro-LGBT enough (which I disagree with strongly) would even consider letting a GOP candidate win.

                        [–]RutherfordBHayes[this space for rent] 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        oh god it's awful

                        Beyond gay conversion therapy it has parts about how we should teach the Bible in schools, use religion to make laws, treat coal as a clean resource, and discriminate against trans people. Also, the fucking wall.

                        [–]eongeTHE BUTTER MUST FLOW. [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        I think they removed any reference to Palestine as well.

                        [–]RutherfordBHayes[this space for rent] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        I'm more surprised that there even was one before

                        [–]MicrosizeMehasn't gotten around to getting banned from /r/TheDonald [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        Holy shit, I thought this was just idle Trump rumblings. The party itself is doing this?

                        [–]YungSnuggiethe jews cancelled firefly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        trump's success is a reflection of the party. he won by a landslide, fair and square. trump won because he accurately reflects the wishes of the party. he didn't take over or change anything. this is your current day GOP. moderate republicans sold their soul for votes and now the wards have taken over the asylum

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                          [–]kurin 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          I was arguing with someone in r/bestofoutrageculture whose position was basically that Trump and Clinton were going to fuck everyone, including minorities, equally. If you honestly believe that, I could see wanting to her campaign to fail, and not from privilege.

                          I'd think you'd overdosed on the Kool Aid, but it wouldn't be privilege.

                          [–]bashar_al_assadSexual Fascist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          I think there's a fair bit of privilege involved to think that minorities would be fucked over equally by both candidates.

                          [–]YungSnuggiethe jews cancelled firefly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          i dont even know if its thats privilege. just sounds like straight up delusion.

                          [–]barbadosslim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          -- a devout capitalist

                          [–]UncleSlippyFistFighting the struggle of an oppressed white male 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I would rather have Hillary than Trump, but I wanted to point out that some of us are in a position where we can vote for a third party without impacting Hillarys chances of winning. For example, I live in Illinois which is solidly blue, no risk. Due to that, I'm going to vote third party because my vote actually has more impact in pushing up Jill Stein's numbers than it really does with Hillarys.

                          [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Okay, I can give people like you a pass. I can't really give people in my state a pass, because we're rumored to be a swing this time around, for the first time since 1992.

                          Please at least tell me you're voting for downticket candidates that need it though.

                          [–]UncleSlippyFistFighting the struggle of an oppressed white male 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Of course, there's no reason to skip voting down ballet if you're already there to vote.

                          [–]eongeTHE BUTTER MUST FLOW. [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          which state

                          [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Arizona

                          [–]TotesMessengerMessenger for Totes 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

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                          [–]TheLadyEve 24ポイント25ポイント  (14子コメント)

                          I wish you had written the comment, because you're distilling what I think that person intended to say (but did a piss-poor job of explaining it IMO). I wouldn't necessarily use the term "white privilege" to describe the phenomenon, but you've hit the nail on the head--some of these people are throwing a fit because they can afford to throw a fit. A Trump presidency won't hit them as hard as it will low SES minorities and low SES women, for example.

                          [–]michaelisnotgingerIRONIC SHITPOSTING IS STILL SHITPOSTING 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          I think there's a big intersection here of race and class in terms of who would be worse affected by Trump

                          [–]TheLadyEve 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Absolutely, that's the point I was trying to make. And we can throw gender in there, too.

                          [–]michaelisnotgingerIRONIC SHITPOSTING IS STILL SHITPOSTING 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I used to mock people for writing about intersectionality all the time; I've found since that it's a really useful way of looking at complex and difficult reactions to varying situations. Shows what 21 year old me knew

                          [–]IAmAN00bie 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          It's a shame that Internet discourse has become so tainted that the same point has to be made without using the term "privilege". I understand that people see it as an attack on their person but that's thanks to toxic Internet social discourse

                          [–]TheLadyEve 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          I get the criticism because I think the term "white privilege" is too specific here--we're talking about privilege but it is a broader spectrum type at this point. It's true that "privilege" has become a bit tainted (on the Internet, anyway) so I typically avoid using it in Internet discussions. Then again, I should really just stay out of political discussions online anyway, since I'm a full-on Clinton supporter (not just voting for her to avoid the alternative).

                          [–]PathofViktory [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                          That's a pretty good point; sometimes even if one uses privilege in the purely academic sense it comes off a bit aggressive. Do you think it would be best to (even if it becomes a bit flowery in language) try to avoid that?

                          Also, interesting to see a full-on supporter around! What parts of her policies/past successes do you like the most? What parts do you think are regretful?

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                            [–]majere616 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Yeah, white privilege is only one of the cocktail of privileges that contribute to someone not being worried about a Trump presidency.

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                              [–]nuclearseraph☭ destroying the internet with gay communism ☭ 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

                              Have you gone out and organized in your community around principles and issues that matter to you? Or is your political activity confined to writing smug, condescending things on the Internet? Perhaps I'm being too confrontational, but I only ever see this attitude from people who are all talk no action.

                              [–]indigo_voodoo_child 21ポイント22ポイント  (160子コメント)

                              I'd get fucked over by a Trump presidency but I'm voting Stein because Hillary has an easy win in my state. A vote for Hillary wouldn't actually accomplish anything, so I may as well use my vote to empower a third party.

                              [–]Ikkinn 97ポイント98ポイント  (70子コメント)

                              The Green Party is basically the worst parts of the Republicans and the Dems rolled into one.

                              Anti-science check

                              Anti free trade (aka we only care about poor people from the US) check

                              Wants high wages for low skilled labor while easing immigration (you can only have one) check

                              [–]faet 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Anti free trade (aka we only care about poor people from the US) check

                              Yet poor people would be overwhelmingly screwed from repealing our free trade agreements.

                              This is how much in real wages the 10th, 50th, and 90th percentiles would lose if trade was cut. In the USA, the poor would lose 69% of their real wages - the rich would only lose 4%. The reason why? Cheap consumable goods.

                              Source: PDF WARNING Measuring the Unequal Gains from Trade (2015) by Fajgelbaum and Khandelwal.

                              [–]Ikkinn 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              You're agreeing with me

                              [–]faet 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Yes. Adding some stats to show that those 'anti free trade people who care about us poor' are really anti-free trade which helps the US poor.

                              [–]SvenHudson 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              It's just, starting with the word "yet" makes it sound like a rebuttal.

                              [–]Puggpu 43ポイント44ポイント  (15子コメント)

                              Not to mention their candidate's only political experience is as a town hall member.

                              [–]voldewort 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              She's not even the official candidate yet, right?

                              edit: The Green Party convention is in August, when Stein will become the official nominee. Right now it appears she's presumptive, much like Trump and Clinton. Sorry for any confusion. I've seen comments of people hoping that Cherney guy gets picked instead of Stein, but that's unlikely to happen.

                              [–]PrettyNeatPerson 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              CherneyOrBust

                              [–]978897465312986415 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I'm an experience memer.

                              I've written countless memes.

                              I've read ten times more memes.

                              I've appreciated many more.

                              CherneyOrBust is my favorite meme.

                              [–]Sepik121YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              #FEELTHECHERN

                              [–]SchoolboyKyubeyshoe recommendation man. gimme some price points and your style 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              WOOOOOO FEEL THE CHERN

                              [–]Puggpu 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I have no idea. Does the Green Party even have a nomination process? I assumed they read tea leaves and let the alignment of the stars choose their nominee.

                              [–]voldewort 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              As long as the tea leaves are non-GMO, I think you might be right.

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                                    [–]dIoIIoIb 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Anti free trade (aka we only care about poor people from the US) check

                                    "we only care about poor people from the US during elections time and will forget they exist right after"

                                    [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    Their anti-GMO anti-nuclear stance alone gives me hives. How on earth do you plan to get to sustainable energy if you're not willing to demolish coal plants for safer methods like fracking and nuclear? Not every place in America can support hydroelectric, solar, or wind you dorks. Or we can just move all our energy acquirement offshore and fuck up the oceans, or fuck up other countries. Or import it from Saudi Arabia and Russia and have to not condemn their human rights violations.

                                    And let's just not genetically modify food anymore. Okay, so now all our fruit crops are tiny, susceptible to rot and disease, and people in the third world are starving again. But hey, you got your organic free trade no-GMO quinoa, so it's okay!

                                    Epitome of privilege, right there. And nasty nationalism, as well. No fucking thank you.

                                    [–]LefaidWill Shill for food! [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                    Bernie is in favor of GMO labels on Vermont and also does not support nuclear energy.

                                    [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                                    Yeah, I don't like his populist anti-science nationalism either. It's gross.

                                    [–]ld987I want off Mr. Yishan's Wild Ride [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                    Is Bernie Sanders seriously too nationalist for you?

                                    [–]thestrangestick [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                    Can you provide me with a source for how GMO foods are fighting poverty in poorer countries? I have nothing specifically against GMO crops, but from what I've read it seems like a way for farmers to maximise profits, and pay the company that developed the technology for the privilege. It's not exactly like everyone was starving before GMO.

                                    [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Here's a link I posted in another thread.

                                    [–]JJFO 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    And let's just not genetically modify food anymore. Okay, so now all our fruit crops are tiny, susceptible to rot and disease, and people in the third world are starving again.

                                    You are severely overstating the effect of GMO crops today. Only a handful of crops have any prevalent genetically modified varieties and they have minor changes like herbicide tolerance and pest/disease resistance. I think there's great potential for the technology but it has not had a major effect yet.

                                    [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                    Uh, that's not what the WaPo said about Tanzania in 2013.

                                    [–]Khiva [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                    Good lord this article was infuriating.

                                    "Science makes me feel bad so better African children starve."

                                    [–]ev149B) [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

                                    The Green Party is basically the worst parts of the Republicans and the Dems rolled into one.

                                    ???

                                    Anti-science check

                                    How so? Stein has probably given more attention to global warming than any other candidate. She isn't an anti-vaxxer and she isn't pro-homeopathy. Being anti-nuclear is one thing I'll give you, however Stein has said she wants to replace aging nuclear plants with alternatives such as geothermal and solar, not outright close all nuclear plants immediately.

                                    Anti free trade (aka we only care about poor people from the US) check

                                    Anti-free trade AKA we care about poor people in our own country as well as poor people in the countries we have free trade with who are being exploited through extremely low wages, reduced rights, land takeovers, murders, etc.

                                    Wants high wages for low skilled labor while easing immigration (you can only have one) check

                                    God forbid people be able make a living wage.

                                    The worst parts about the dems and reps are their warmongering for profit, proliferation of exploitative capitalism, racism and other bigotry, and general antidemocratic nature, not really things you'll find in the Green Party

                                    [–]ItsBabySheep"Lamb" is butchered English. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    The greatest irony is how Hillary Clinton is usually scrutinized based on half truths, poor perceptions, misinformation, or flat out lies.

                                    And now the same is happening to Jill Stein. But not their male counterparts, even though Johnson actively does not believe climate change is a priority (yet she gets hated on for "supporting anti-vax stances" from the same crowd despite her literally being a doctor, and stating that western medicine is important), and the Donald... well, it should be obvious.

                                    FYI I don't like Stein but it's still pathetic.

                                    [–]marpool [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

                                    poor people in the countries we have free trade with who are being exploited through extremely low wages, reduced rights, land takeovers, murders, etc.

                                    Poor people in poor countries have low wages and bad working conditions yes. Are they lower in "sweatshops" no. http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/53_sweatshop.pdf . Sweatshop wages are only low when viewed from a Western perspective, if you intentionally don't buy clothes from sweatshops then these people lose their jobs and up in jobs with worse pay/conditions.

                                    [–]MuffasaThere's no 'I' in meme [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                    I think this is the worst kind of argument in existence. It pops up whenever someone complains about aspects of trade or global capitalism, and what it says is that no matter how horrendous or unethical something is it should continue because it is better than some alternative. It's an argument that says people are powerless to change things, and apathy is the best attitude. It's not right, and its the same type of argument that people used to defend slavery in the US.

                                    [–]barbadosslim [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                    Right, capitalism is exploitive as fuck. Quit spinning this as a positive and accept that we need to move on to a less evil system.

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                                        [–]Pteryx 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Healing crystals check

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                                          [–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 5ポイント6ポイント  (66子コメント)

                                          That one's easier to understand, and I don't really have a problem with it.

                                          However, I have to ask: do you really think anyone cares about third party vote totals in a safe state?

                                          [–]indigo_voodoo_child 14ポイント15ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                          As long as they get above 5 percent nationally they get more funding and can start fielding more downballot candidates in 2018.

                                          [–]selfimprovementorbus 44ポイント45ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                          Yeah and why do you want the Green party to get that? The Greens are a shit protest vote because they don't have a single core message, just a hodge-podge of random fringe ideas. For all anyone knows you're voting Green because you just love homeopathy. Or hate nuclear energy. Or maybe want someone whose not remotely qualified in the least to be president. Green is the lazy ego vote for progressives chosen due solely to name recognition, you'd be better off writing in a random candidate you actually love instead of that nutter Stein.

                                          [–]indigo_voodoo_child 14ポイント15ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                          They attract all the "fringe nutters" because they're a fringe party. I'd love to vote for a reasonable social Democrat or democratic socialist party, but we don't have a good one, and so we need to build one. That will take time, money, and local effort, all of which will be helped by gaining more national recognition. Since the greens have officially declared themselves to be anti-capitalist and they're already one of the largest national third parties, I think they'll be the easiest party to turn into a somewhat strong voice for democratic socialism. I'm not voting for 2016, I'm voting for 2018 and the years ahead. Does that make sense?

                                          [–]ProbablyStalin 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          As long as the United States has first past the post, it is incredibly impossible to actually build a democratic socialist party that will ever hold any sway over any politics whatsoever. The only way you can have third parties like that emerge is when regionalism is also at play, the best example of which is Canada (see: the Bloc Québécois and the CCF/NDP). In a two party system, you can only ever have a center-left and a center-right big tent party.

                                          [–]indigo_voodoo_child 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Or you could start building a socialist movement at the local level, which is something I want to do with the Green-Rainbow party in my state after the election, or possibly Socialist Alternative. I could technically try to start my own party if I could get 43,000 members (or whatever 1% of the population of my state will be in 2020) if I wanted to, but I'd rather work with existing organizations.

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                                            [–]TheGreatRoh 13ポイント14ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                            People are tying to guilt trip real progressives because it poses a threat to the Democrat party. Maybe even certain records.

                                            [–]Ikkinn 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            "Real progressives"

                                            Somehow I don't think FDR would be in the Green Party.

                                            [–]nuclearseraph☭ destroying the internet with gay communism ☭ 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            This has happened for a long time now. Progressives and workers get scapegoated by Democrats for every right-wing victory, but Dems have nobody to blame but themselves for pulling "at least we're not those dumb republicans" and failing workers for decades. The Employee Free Choice Act is one clear and recent example for those curious.

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                                              [–]PandaLover42 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                              Wait, but why not vote for democratic socialists instead? There may not be one in the presidential race, but there are some in down ballot races. That'd be much more feasible than trying to build up a new party in a FPTP system.

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                                                  [–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, I can understand supporting for the sake of downballot candidates. Third parties may not have a chance at the presidency, but they might have a chance at a few senate/house seats.

                                                  [–]lockeitupPopcorn flavored kisses 3ポイント4ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                  If Stein gets a certain percentage of the national vote she will get federal funding for the next election, which is a huge deal in terms of future campaigns

                                                  [–]TEDDY_FROZEVELT 20ポイント21ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                  But Stein is really stupid. She has almost no experience and believes vaccines cause autism, Brexit was good, etc. It would be more worthwhile to vote Gary Johnson so he can have the chance to get in debates and see what happened with a third party.

                                                  [–]lockeitupPopcorn flavored kisses 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I mean, I'm not voting for either of them, just explaining why voting for them in a non-swing state can still accomplish something.

                                                  Edit: and 1) it would only be more worthwhile to vote Johnson if you want the third party to be libertarians; 2) entry into the debates is tied to current national polling, not votes from previous elections

                                                  [–]madmax_410^ↀᴥↀ^ C A T B O Y S ^ↀᴥↀ^ 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                  and believes vaccines cause autism,

                                                  what? who even told you that? googling comes up with nothing.

                                                  she's also stated she does not agree with the green party's stance on medicine.

                                                  [–]Chairboy 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                  In her AMA here on Reddit, she expressed a problem with mandatory vaccination and spent a bunch of time criticizing the 'profit motive' behind them. This is dogwhistle language for antivaxxers.

                                                  [–]waspyasfuckShillbo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                  Here you go. She didn't explicitly come out and say 'doctors are Nazis testing your pure little babies with poison,' but she didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement that proved the Greens have moved beyond their white girl with dreads and spirit crystals base. When she says, vaccines are great but need to be tested more, she is intentionally appealing to the type of person who would allow their child to become patient-zero in a nursery school. Vaccines are among the most rigorously tested products in medicine, she either knows that or is ignorant.

                                                  Likewise, the final paragraph about homeopathy should raise the bullshit signals, especially since it is a enormously hypocritical position to take after saying what she said about vaccines.

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                                                    [–]snotbowst 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    You say Johnson like he's more sane. The man is against drivers licenses for God's sake.

                                                    [–]AtheismTooStronk 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    To address the vaccine point, she's Harvard medical, and the only vaccine-type thing in the platform of the GP is stricter review of vaccines given to the Military. Just had to look this up. I'm starting to believe Clinton supporters are lying about her to garner more votes.

                                                    [–]SchoolboyKyubeyshoe recommendation man. gimme some price points and your style 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    To be fair, you don't really need to steal votes from someone who's going to get 0.5% nationally if she's lucky.

                                                    [–]Ikkinn 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Her AMA disagrees with you. Although it could have been an undercover Clinton shill posing as her, right?

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                                                          [–]LegendRebornI don't care what you and your seven ducks did. 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          You aren't #NeverHillary then. It sounds like you'd vote for Clinton if you were in a swing state or a state that is becoming purple as time goes on.

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                                                            [–]AL_DENTE_OR_NOTHING 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                            Eh I'm LATINA and I'll never vote Hillary. The guilt tripping makes me even less inclined to vote for her.

                                                            Edit: To clarify, I'm half Dominican, so I'm never mistaken for "white."

                                                            [–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 13ポイント14ポイント  (275子コメント)

                                                            "Support my candidate or it's white privilege."

                                                            It wasn't that long ago that you people tried to win over voters by actually convincing them with your candidate's positions and record. Now it's just guilting people. Well as a Pakistani American who doesn't support Clinton, good luck trying to find my white privilege.

                                                            [–]PWNY_EVEREADY3 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Oh I'm gonna find it pal! Just you wait!

                                                            [–]quantumtrollening 98ポイント99ポイント  (219子コメント)

                                                            And /r/asablackman, I whole-heartedly believe that someone aware of the huge target Trump is painting on their back doesn't care about the outcome of the election.

                                                            /s

                                                            It's really pretty straightforward dude. People of color are aware that with a Trump presidency, we'd be super ultra fucked. Possibly through direct violent assault by his xenophobic "Real American" base, or (if we're lucky) just through second-class citizen status (like that judge who Trump tried to discredit because he was an American citizen with Mexican parents). A world where Trump wins is terrifying, and one where I would seriously investigate the possibility of emigrating to protect myself and my race-traitor partner. By contrast, a world where Clinton wins is the status quo: far from ideal, but not exactly apocalyptic either.

                                                            A Trump presidency isn't terrifying only if you're white. That's why having the luxury of putting principle over pragmatic considerations of personal safety in this election is a privilege reserved for white people. It is a white privilege.

                                                            [–]rsynnott2 94ポイント95ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                            A Trump presidency isn't terrifying only if you're white.

                                                            Even then, probably kinda terrifying if you're a woman, LGBT, Jewish, or poor.

                                                            [–]solastsummer 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            I'm a straight white male and his idea of dismantling NATO is pretty terrifying to me.

                                                            [–]quantumtrollening 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            Sure, but I was trying to keep my comment short. I get accused of being too verbose sometimes, so I'm trying to cut back on that a bit.

                                                            But yes, a Trump presidency feels like an existential threat to pretty much anyone who isn't a cis-het white male. Or (possibly) someone so well off that they forget how recently racial violence was commonplace in this country, and how easily things could return to that if we elect someone explicitly promising a return to those violent days.

                                                            [–]Enginerd 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            cis-het while male here. Trump presidency feels like an existential threat to me too, based on his comments regarding killing civilians, nuclear proliferation, and global warming being a chinese conspiracy. (not that the racism doesn't bother me and isn't reason enough alone to disqualify him, it just has less of an effect on me personally)

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                                                              [–]Stirner_is_SpooksShitposting Enthusiast 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Given Trumps track record I'd throw intellectuals in there too.

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                                                                [–]TotesMessengerMessenger for Totes 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

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                                                                [–]quantumtrollening 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                OMG, TotesMessenger senpai noticed me!

                                                                [–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 18ポイント19ポイント  (115子コメント)

                                                                I'm getting sick of people saying asablackman everytime a minority disagrees with you. It s silencing of our opinions.

                                                                [–]quantumtrollening 10ポイント11ポイント  (111子コメント)

                                                                No, it's just me saying: I don't believe you. You can have your opinion all you want, but there's a reason that subreddit exists. It's too easy for someone to claim whatever heritage they want in order to make an internet point, and I find it hard to believe that someone whose life would be endangered by a Trump presidency would still prefer a protest vote over protecting themselves.

                                                                [–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                You don't believe that i'm pakistani? How can j prove it to you?

                                                                [–]fuckthepolis2You have no respect for the indigenous people of where you live 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Say something mean about India.

                                                                [–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                India? More like...indiass?

                                                                [–]fuckthepolis2You have no respect for the indigenous people of where you live 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                All right, we got what we came for.

                                                                Pack it up boys, mission accomplished.

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                                                                  [–]Ross5512 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Show him your membership card!

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                                                                    [–]Roflllobster 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    His entire post history is littered with mentions of Pakistan and coming from a Muslim culture. If you're willing to believe that he is just a super elaborate liar over just being from Pakistan you're just being willfully ignorant.

                                                                    [–]itsaboyffxiv 37ポイント38ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                                    Is this the ol' SRD favorite of "minorities can only think one way and if you disagree you aren't a minority"?

                                                                    I disagree with /u/PhysicsIsMyMistress on virtually every political point I've seen them make. But on this we're in complete agreement: it's not sexist or racist or white privilege or whatever to not want to vote for Hillary Clinton and it's downright retarded that that sentence even had to be typed here.

                                                                    Repeat:

                                                                    it's not sexist or racist or white privilege or whatever to not want to vote for Hillary Clinton

                                                                    [–]quantumtrollening 31ポイント32ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                                    I don't think you're paying attention. This isn't about Hillary Clinton. Hell, I don't support Clinton either, I would've preferred Sanders. But the Presidential election isn't about who you like best, it's about damage control.

                                                                    One candidate is courting a xenophobic nationalist base, which has historically turned out poorly for ethnic-minority immigrants. The other candidate is running on a broadly-centrist platform of "status quo, but also like me pls". The only people who can view these two possible outcomes as equivalent are the people who aren't among the xenophobes' targets. So when someone says "they're both equally bad", or when they say "I prefer the xenophobe because it's anti-establishment", they've revealed that they are not among the xenophobes' targets.

                                                                    None of this has anything to do with Clinton. She's just not-Trump. But being indifferent to or eager for a Trump presidency is absolutely a product of white privilege (among many other kinds of privilege). Those of us who lack those privileges, don't have the luxury of being indifferent to the possibility of our being lynched in or expelled from our chosen country.

                                                                    [–]itsaboyffxiv 18ポイント19ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                    Hell, I don't support Clinton either,

                                                                    I DO support Clinton. I'm just saying that not supporting her is NOT racist or sexist.

                                                                    I understand that on the internet, that's a difficult circle to square ("wait, you're saying that people that disagree with you aren't evil? what?") but that's the fact of the matter.

                                                                    [–]quantumtrollening 25ポイント26ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                    And I'm saying that voting against Trump has very little to do with supporting Clinton.

                                                                    I agree with you! There's nothing racist or sexist about not supporting Clinton. But not opposing Trump is almost always going to be a product of white privilege, simply because of who his presidency would harm the most (and who it'd harm the least).

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                                                                      [–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                      But the Presidential election isn't about who you like best, it's about damage control.

                                                                      1) so you would vote for whomever the democrat candidate is, regardless of policies?

                                                                      2) you don't get to decide that people aren't allowed to vote for the reasons they prioritize and must use your reasons.

                                                                      [–]quantumtrollening 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                      1) so you would vote for whomever the democrat candidate is, regardless of policies?

                                                                      I'll vote for whomever's policies are less likely to destroy the country, regardless of party.

                                                                      2) you don't get to decide that people aren't allowed to vote for the reasons they prioritize and must use your reasons.

                                                                      Good thing I'm not doing that then. Don't worry, your freeze peach is safe from me. However, I will draw some conclusions about you based on what you prioritize in your decision-making. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings to have me think less of you for your political choices, but hey, welcome to political discussion.

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                                                                          [–]nancyfuqindrew 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          It can still play a part in your decision though. It's kind of hard to hear suburban white kids saying "Burn it down" when you know the fire won't be anywhere near them.

                                                                          [–]itsaboyffxiv 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          That would just be another case of literally anything being white privilege, then. But no, the fire would be near them, so the assumption you're making to make it about white privilege is wrong.

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                                                                            [–]VeeronSRDD is watching you 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            You're justifying racism with tinfoil paranoia. Black people are either left-wing liberals, or they're false-flagging whites, right?

                                                                            [–]Chairboy 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                            Newsflash: not everyone who chooses to vote for someone other than Clinton is exercising a "protest vote". It may feel like that to you but for some folks, their hot button issues are served by voting elsewhere. Is #clintonnormative a hashtag yet? Because it seems like you assume that's the ONLY acceptable vote from people who aren't "the enemy".

                                                                            Also, you're literally calling someone a liar for claiming they aren't white. Sweet Jesus.

                                                                            [–]roadtoanna 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            I mean, as a Clinton-supporter, I think you're putting them into a kind of insulting bind here. Basically, the accusation made was that not voting for Clinton is white privilege. This makes his response that he isn't white relevant to the conversation. I don't agree with him, and I do agree that by-and-large the people who want Trump to win to "cause a revolution" don't really get what they're asking for, but it's also pretty naive to think that that's the only reason someone who not back Clinton.

                                                                            [–]Chairboy 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            Sure, but quantumtrollening explicitly says the following in response to someone asserting they're not caucasion:

                                                                            No, it's just me saying: I don't believe you. You can have your opinion all you want, but there's a reason that subreddit exists. It's too easy for someone to claim whatever heritage they want in order to make an internet point,

                                                                            That's literally calling them a liar about their heritage/background/genetics whatever because it's not politically expedient. Heck, folks make bad decisions ALL THE TIME, but suddenly QuantumTrollening doesn't believe that's possible because it contradicts something he/she said?

                                                                            [–]quantumtrollening 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            In US Presidential elections, we are only given two choices with any chance of winning. To vote for a candidate that has zero chance of winning in order to make a point is definitionally what a protest vote is.

                                                                            [–]Chairboy 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            The purpose of voting for a third party candidate that's polling third is to try and hit election thresholds that will trigger the availability of election funding and the other benefits that come with that in future elections.

                                                                            If you're happy with the current two parties and believe you're being represented fully by one or the other, I recognize why you'd be comfortable in continuing it. I think we can do better and believe we saw one way for that in this week's changes to the Democratic platform. Do you think the various Sanders-sourced changes would have definitely happened if the pressure didn't exist?

                                                                            [–]VelvetElvisMake SRD Great Again 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I can't apologize enough for that.

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                                                                              [–]MarkOfSadism 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              you're not a real minority cause you don't think the way I want you to!

                                                                              [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended[M] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                              You're edging close to personal attacks/flamebait, dial it back.

                                                                              [–]quantum_titties 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              If you think that Trump will actually be able to enact policies that calls for mass deportation of muslims (or not allowing them back in) or building a wall along the mexican border you are retarded. All of these policies you think he'll be able to just do are wildly unconstitutional, requires congress to be behind him (which isn't going to happen) or both.

                                                                              You know what will actually happen if Trump gets elected? Lower taxes on corporations and a push for policies like a lower minimum wage and higher tariffs. Plus a fat lot of nothing.

                                                                              [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Lower minimum wage and higher tariffs would destroy the purchasing power of the middle and lower classes. That's a "lot of nothing" for someone who doesn't care about economics, I guess.

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                                                                                      [–]MarkOfSadism 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      dumb as hell. I guess my Indian friend has white privilege too.

                                                                                      [–]grungebot5000 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      It wasn't that long ago that you people tried to win over voters by actually convincing them with your candidate's positions and record.

                                                                                      lol when did this happen, 1680?

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                                                                                          [–]papermarioguy02shill for big gravity 30ポイント31ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                          what happened to this thread?

                                                                                          EDIT: I like how this comment was interpreted by both sides as favoring them. I'm very much on the side of BernieorTrump=white privilege. But I don't think srd is the place to have that argument. It's to talk about the people having it.

                                                                                          [–]Imwe 75ポイント76ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                          Someone mentioned white privilige and people are really sensitive about that term. Which means people started fighting over the term, instead of what the poster was trying to say; that one of the greatest feats of Donald Trump has been to convince both his supporters and his opponents that what he says doesn't matter. That he panders to his base when he says something you disagree with, but fully supports the things you agree with. That is why people who supported Sanders are able to say that Hillary will be just as bad or even worse than Trump. They've fallen for Trump's charm.

                                                                                          [–]walkthisway34 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I think it was more the leaping to conclusions.

                                                                                          And while I know this is anecdotal, but I know a lot of Sanders supporters of various races (mostly white and Hispanic, but some black and Asian too - almost all young) and the ones who aren't white don't seem to like Hillary any more than the white ones. And I haven't seen any switch to Trump. Regardless of race, I've seen about half say they'll never vote for her, and half say that they'll reluctantly vote for her.

                                                                                          I do live in California, which is guaranteed to go Democratic, so maybe it would be different if I lived in a swing state. I just think that people are quick to conflate the feelings of minorities as a whole (who preferred Clinton) with the feelings of minority Sanders supporters (by assuming that they're on board with Clinton, but not the white ones).

                                                                                          [–]Not_for_consumption 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          instead of what the poster was trying to say; that one of the greatest feats of Donald Trump has been to convince both his supporters and his opponents that what he says doesn't matter.

                                                                                          I don't think we read the same thread or part of the thread. Where was the mention of Trump?

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                                                                                            [–]Ikkinn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Trump has been to convince both his supporters and his opponEnts that what he says doesn't matter.

                                                                                            Got to respect his bullshit game though, it's world class.

                                                                                            [–]shemperdoodleonce it pops, the fun don't stop 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            Looks like the combination of an /r/The_Donald brigade and the fact that the mere mention of white privilege makes people lose their fucking minds.

                                                                                            [–]PopcornPisserSnitchWoop. Woop. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            /r/circlebroke's closed so they all came here, and /r/The_Donald is brigading because it mentions Trump.

                                                                                            [–]Hikki_Hibiki 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            srd is still reddit

                                                                                            [–]BucksnBengals 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            This thread just isn't even fun to read. Where's the jokes people?

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                                                                                              [–]voldewort 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              Not to get all malefashionadvice in here, but the guy in the original video... as he walks away it looks like his pants are rolled up past his ankles. It looks weird to me. That's all. Carry on.

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