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[–]NameSmurfHere[S] 1734ポイント1735ポイント  (935子コメント)

Ham tweet is in response to this ridiculous article- PC Gaming Is Still Way Too Hard

Here's Motherboard's super simple guide to building your first gaming PC:

  • Step 1: Have an unreasonable amount of disposable income.

  • Step 2: Have an unreasonable amount of time to research, shop around, and assemble parts for your computer.

  • Step 3: Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

[–]Sayakaii5 6600k/GTX960/8GB DDR4 842ポイント843ポイント  (229子コメント)

  • Step 1: Have an unreasonable amount of disposable income.

Builds over-the-top high end PC

Complains about price

  • Step 3: Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

Wants to keep getting the newest stuff

Complains he has to pay for it and research it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]Messipus 657ポイント658ポイント  (118子コメント)

Complains about price.

"I recommend Apple for most people."

[–]Pro_Scrubi7 4770k | GTX760 4GB | 16GB RAM Artstation 159ポイント160ポイント  (74子コメント)

Did he change it? It says "I recommend Apple to people who aren't tech-savvy" now. (Which I feel is a fair recommendation for people as dumb as the writer)

[–]bloodstainerIntel i7 4790K, MSI GTX 980 4Gb, 16GB 1600MHz DDR3, Asus Z97-A 238ポイント239ポイント  (70子コメント)

No, it doesn't matter, even recommending it to anyone is wrong. If you're not "tech-savvy" enough to use a fucking computer, don't buy one from Apple, because you're still going to be too stupid to use it.

Can we stop using the term "tech-savvy" to anyone that can open the god damn control panel and troubleshoot a wifi issue?

[–]evilroots 126ポイント127ポイント  (17子コメント)

tech-savvy

Aka Knows how to google and ask others questions

[–]deamon59 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or even just read

[–]Willy-FRZX-81 CP/M-86 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's not get overboard here, expecting users to read isn't realistic.

[–]TheRufmeisterGeneralsysadmin 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

To be fair, I'm a sysadmin and what you've just described is my most useful tool (besides experience)

[–]Stingray88 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is why people buy from Apple. It designs everything from the trackpad to the box the computer comes in, which unfolds neatly to reveal everything you need. Apple reduces friction to the point where even my mom could upgrade the RAM on her iMac, and it can do this because it controls everything that goes in that box.

Dell and HP don't design the box the computer comes in? And it doesn't reveal everything you need when you open the box?

wat

Apple makes it easy to upgrade the RAM on a Mac? And they can do that because they control what goes in the box... unlike Dell and HP?

wat

I don't even... This guy is a fucking disgrace of a tech writer.

[–]DiaDeLosMuertos 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Apple makes it easy to upgrade the RAM on a Mac? And they can do that because they control what goes in the box... unlike Dell and HP?

wat

Didn't they switch to embedded memory? So His mom can solder?

[–]Stingray88 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

All current Mac models use soldered RAM except the 27" iMac and Mac Pro. And I will admit... it is pretty easy to upgrade the RAM on an iMac or Mac Pro. It's even completely tool-less on both. But it's not like its hard any prebuilt PC, most of them are tool-less these days too.

[–]gilbes 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was making a few decent points, but once he got to that part the “article” was complete shit.

This “article” was just lazy “journalism”. He doesn’t even attempt to answer the question of why bringing together a disparate collection parts to make a unified PC build has these frustrations. You know, the kind of basic thing an actual journalist would do.

Instead it just reads like a hipster blog post about why choosing bike gears is so hard and his fixie does everything he needs.

Oh, it’s VICE. That explains it.

[–]Kyrond750 Ti, Phenom X4 960 102ポイント103ポイント  (100子コメント)

recommended specifications range

R9 290 - launch price $400 Q1 2014. Meets recommended specs for Witcher 3, GTA 5, and runs FO4 at over 70 fps at max settings (Bethesda recommended 290X).
R9 390 for $300 launched last year and now RX 480 launched for $200. All pretty similar in performance, ideal for max settings for 1080/60.

But better to buy overpriced just-released GPU (which is huge overkill for 1080/60) that is not is stock and so prices suffer, just to complain about it.

[–]Dopplegangr1 168ポイント169ポイント  (74子コメント)

The gpu is the least of his errors. He bought a $200+ motherboard, a 1TB ssd, an i7 and a $180 case which he didn't even like or care about. He could have saved at least $500 just by making smarter choices without losing any performance.

[–]apaksl 156ポイント157ポイント  (44子コメント)

Ugh, but that would have taken sooo much research...

[–]Dopplegangr1 60ポイント61ポイント  (36子コメント)

He could give me $100 to spend 5 mins on pcpartpicker for him and save tons of money. I'm sure he knows someone he could pay a few bucks to do the research for him instead of just buying shit blind

[–]ArcaneZorrohttp://pcpartpicker.com/user/ArcaneZorro/saved/MHFQzy 62ポイント63ポイント  (32子コメント)

He could have literally copied someone's completed build. This it too easy for people to complain now.

I say this while my friend just broke a $150 motherboard and an i5 4690k because he put the cpu in the wrong way...

[–]dcrypterSpecs/Imgur here 52ポイント53ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't understand... it works the same way as those little "put the shape in the hole" games that you give to toddlers. How do you fuck that up?

[–]Vancedrayton 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

Same way as that one person who fucks up their phone by forcing the USB charger in upside-down.

[–]Sayakaii5 6600k/GTX960/8GB DDR4 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

He could have literally copied someone's completed build. This it too easy for people to complain now.

Like... he even links here. He could've asked us.

[–]HexezWorkGTX 970 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just walk into a Microcenter and say "I want to build a PC with this GPU and CPU".

Literally what I did and they picked all the other parts for me.

[–]L-SM 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

All PC cases are ugly according to the writer after all

So clearly that means better buy an expensive one.

[–]n3onfx 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

For someone like him who apparently has a hard-on for Apple, how can he find something like this ugly?

[–]Mr_s3rius 52ポイント53ポイント  (13子コメント)

And that's not everything.

A CPU for gaming? Let's get one of them expensive 6700Ks!

Hmm, how much RAM would you need? I know: 32Gigs!

Geez, this is all so expensive.

[–]Torchedini6700K/R9 290X / 4K 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

And noo you don't take cheap ram. You need the fancy heatsinks and the massive MHz you won't really need.

The dude is an idiot

[–]Tzic 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hell I can play Witcher 3 with my FX-6300 and R9 280. This is not a high-end expensive computer, and I save money in the long run with the better game sales we get and that it's not a single-purpose device.

[–]Kyrond750 Ti, Phenom X4 960 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have a prebuilt pc from 2012 for 450 EUR (inc. VAT), with a GPU for 130 EUR bought 1,5 years ago.
(I also bought SSD, case and quieter fans last christmas, not relevant to performance)

I have completed Witcher 3 at 30fps at 1080p, and now when I played around with settings I got 40-45 fps with medium level settings.

DAE have to buy $1000 GPU every year just to play Minesweeper?

[–]ArcaneZorrohttp://pcpartpicker.com/user/ArcaneZorro/saved/MHFQzy 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you saw minesweeper on max then you might put the money down.

[–]Rev_Up_Those_Reposts 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I don't want to get caught up in that fast-pace, PC life."

It's such a bullshit, console-peasent line of thinking.

[–]zugyyes 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't even research that hard. He never even once mentions AMD, except as an article tag. He choose his graphics card based on "oh this one is second most expensive, let's go with that". The whole article is just cringe.

[–]scorcher24AMD Fanboi 1093ポイント1094ポイント  (423子コメント)

LOL, what noobs.

No seriously, everyone can build a PC nowadays with minimum knowledge. It ain't that hard. Only place where you can fuck up is when you put the CPU in and the cooler on it, but just double check what you are doing and use the wasteland you call brain just this once.

I am a stupid motherfucker and even I can do it...

[–]NameSmurfHere[S] 614ポイント615ポイント  (169子コメント)

I've seen complete novices manage it- it's almost like there are a zillion fucking Youtubers with tutorials in a dozen languages.

Fine, you have a hard time, that's understandable for an individual. But to whine, make it appear hard and discourage readers? Jackassery.

[–]TheGayslamicQueeran 175ポイント176ポイント  (112子コメント)

Computer Science kiddie here, I can assure you building one has used nothing I've learned in school to do it.

There's some parts compatibility site out there somewhere too.

[–]specfreqThat scatterplot guy 202ポイント203ポイント  (78子コメント)

I'm a systems administrator for Intel.

The amount of CS eggheads way above my pay grade that are building prototype hardware for testing who didn't connect the network cable and need help is shocking.

[–]turingincompleteMore PCs than I can count 189ポイント190ポイント  (28子コメント)

To be fair, computer science is mathematical discipline, and can be done entirely on paper. Engineering is another thing, and systems administration another thing entirely.

Of course, how someone takes an interest in one, and then ignores the others defeats me, but I ain't surprised!

[–]Neaux_Fappe 67ポイント68ポイント  (22子コメント)

We live in an age where specialization to the extreme is the way to get ahead. Nobody wants to hire the guy who has some idea how the whole widget works, but doesn't know exactly how subpart 106(b) articulates with the whozeewhatsit.

[–]tehnodAMD A8-6500/GTX 970 GPU/16GB R 34ポイント35ポイント  (16子コメント)

but doesn't know exactly how subpart 106(b) articulates with the whozeewhatsit

OMG. What idiot doesn't know that the whozeewhatsit goes through the whatchamacallit to interface with the thingamajig?

[–]unamphoWindows, Linux, Tower, Laptop 47ポイント48ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, actually I have a doctorate in part 106 and I gotta say that recent theories suggest that while the general practice of interfacing the whozeewhatsit with the thingamajib by going through the whachamacallit has the desired functional performance, you don't actually need to go through the whachamacallit. It turns out the whachamacallit just creates the right articulation.

I mean, there is still further testing and this was based on a preliminary study without a good control, but they are already following up without the use of whatchamacallits and just doing the articulation directly. It should drive production costs down in about 20 years* when the process can be automated. *if it works out.

Edit: Thanks for correcting me -- This only applies to part 106 when placed on the left side, not the right. (My dissertation was on a few specific left side applications of part 106.) Still, though.

[–]Rex_Marksley 42ポイント43ポイント  (45子コメント)

I worked IT for a CS department, can confirm, CS people don't know more about computers than anyone else.

[–]Doctor_Insano_MD 167ポイント168ポイント  (19子コメント)

I have a CS degree. I know as much about hardware as a chef will know about refrigerators.

[–]tk42967 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

Taking a class on PC Building was part of the coursework for my CS degree.

The whole course was on PC hardware, and the final was being handed a pile of parts and given 2 hours to build it and install Windows.

[–]Doctor_Insano_MD 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's actually pretty interesting. My CS degree was mostly math. I had to write an interpreter for a regex based language, a brainfuck interpreter in assembly, a game AI, some graphics stuff, but nothing to do with hardware.

[–]Yuzumi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

My CS degree required me to take a course on architecture that taught how the hardware was built and how it all worked together.

[–]FluxriflexDrHeavy 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a very good analogy.

[–]Kyrluckechucki7-6700K@4.2Ghz | GTX 460 | 16GB DDR4@2666 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

**Having the CS degree doesn't specify that they'll know more, but more in this field than any other do know what to do/more

[–]CEO_of_GamerGate 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Having a CS degree doesn't mean you can anymore build a computer than having a civil engineering degree means you can build a bridge or than having a degree in architecture means you can build a house.

You might be able to draw up plans for a house or a bridge. You might be able to explain them. But that doesn't mean you can build them.

Of course, if you have the interest in computer science then you probably also have the interest to know how to build a computer... but it is actually surprising how many computer science students graduate and go into the work world and never have any clue how to do anything other than the few exact specific things they were taught in school.

Of course, "Computer Science" is also a very different thing from, you know, applicable day to day things. It's called "computer science" not "applicable day to day computer stuff".

[–]willtron30002500k/770gtx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an engineer: anyone can build a bridge, it takes an engineer to make a bridge just stand up.

[–]suprsam75820K @ 4.2Ghz - GTX960 - 16GB RAM 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think It depends on what you consider as "computer knowledge".

I know people in CS who understand computer architecture well and are fairly efficient in assembly coding, yet they have absolutely no interest or knowledge about actual hardware. I think these people know way more about computers than the average pc gamer.

That's just one example, but I think "knowing about computers" and "knowing how to build a computer" are two different things.

[–]testbug0 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

My childhood spent playing with legos taught me more about building computers than anything else.

[–]MegmcaMegMcA 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you can't get the pieces apart with your hands then use your teeth?

[–]Gahvynni7-4790K | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X| 16 GB RAM | 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I built my first PC at 16 before Youtube even existed so... yeah, not that hard.

[–]Michael8888CPU: AMD FX 4.3GHz GPU: EVGA GTX 780 RAM 16Gb Storage: 6Tb HDD 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

I literally haven't even opened my Case in two yaers and I'm not even close to needing an upgrade everything is running Super smooth and I'll probably upgrade in Two to three years unless I get a ridicilous income boost which would have Me buy vive and New GPU.

[–]VengefulCaptain3570K & 290x 290 CF 49ポイント50ポイント  (10子コメント)

Probably wouldn't hurt to clean the dust out once a year though.

[–]Draki1903 6ポイント7ポイント  (17子コメント)

Okay, so tl;dr I need a motherboard, a CPU, a GPU, a power supply unit and... what else?

[–]sestep2 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Newegg tutorial on YouTube is what I used to learn, It doesn't get much simpler than that.

[–]everypostepic 50ポイント51ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am a stupid motherfucker and even I can do it...

PS4 ,Greatness Awaits.

Xbox One, Jump Ahead.

PC, Even stupid motherfuckers can do this shit.

[–]MightyTeaRexGlorious! 77ポイント78ポイント  (84子コメント)

When I build my first PC, I was nervous as fuck. Booted the first time, I realized it's easier to build a damn PC than assemble a LEGO set.

[–]grtkbrandon 46ポイント47ポイント  (56子コメント)

It seriously is. It's not like you can accidentally stick your GPU in the CPU socket. Plus, if you use something like PCPartPicker, which I always recommend to first-time builders, it'll even point out parts that are incompatible. Let's not even jump into resources like /r/buildapc where you can literally just copy someone's build and be done with the whole thing.

[–]StrawRedditorSpecs/Imgur here 22ポイント23ポイント  (43子コメント)

The only somewhat complicated part of building a PC is what to do if for some reason something doesn't work right. The troubleshooting and narrowing down the problem aspect of it can definitely benefit from some experience... but other then that, if it boots up the first time, it really is easy.

Like honestly, what are the steps?

1) Buy parts, minor research required for socket compatibility.

2) Screw in motherboard.

3) Clamp down CPU

4) Stick Ram in slots

5) Stick GPU in slots

6) Mount HD/SSD

7) Mount PSU

8) Apply Thermal paste and mount cooler.

9) Plug in the two MB power cords

10) Plug in the GPU power cords

11) Plug in your HD Power cord

12) Connect the SATA cable to your HD/SSD

13) Connect any fans you might have to your MB.

And I'm pretty sure that's it.

13 steps to build a computer.

[–]unamphoWindows, Linux, Tower, Laptop 39ポイント40ポイント  (26子コメント)

I say this as a hobbyist that enjoys building and programming and the whole nerdy biz. That's a little dishonest when you're talking to your friend that plays xbox.

1 - gotta know which parts. gotta know that there is such a thing as incompatibility, gotta learn about sockets (Delay building for 2 months because everyone is hype about the 480 and it took that long to actually be able to buy it.)

2 - gotta have a family member or mentor that made you generally familiar with tools, screwdrivers, etc. so that you don't panic thinking about it

3 - don't bend any pins. Did you know that's a concern? Do you know which way to orient it? How do you know if it fits?

4 - You know how the cpu shouldn't really offer resistance and there's only 1 way it goes in? (you googled for 5 minutes before building enough confidence in an answer.) Well, RAM requries you to fucking sit on your god damn motherboard until it breaks in half under your bodyweight. Yeah, you had to google that for 10 minutes before you believed it wasn't an internet prank and you really do need to fucking get a shop clamp just to insert the RAM. (it really is criminal how much force is needed to install ram.)

5 - yay, after you figured out to remove the back plate stuff from the case, the gpu worked pretty easily. cool.

6 - pretty painless.

7 - not bad. feeling confident now.

8 - How much paste? (google) okay, pea-sized. Cool.

9 - Shit, some of these cords look the same, okay, they only fit one way. Good. phew. moment of panic, but it worked out.

10 - Ah, so I have to combine the 6+2 to make the 8. That's weird, but it's fine I guess.

11 - cool.

12 - Shit, everything is technically compatible, but I wanted to plug in 3 things, not just 2 and one of the sata connections is under my graphics card. (google for 10-20 minutes) cool, there are low-profile sata connectors. Well, i'll order one and just leave out my dvd tray.

13 - cool.

14 - install OS. Shit, my dvd doesn't work. (google and transfer files for 15 minutes) Alright, I'll install via usb. cool.

Friend just walks into a store and gets jipped, but doesn't have to deal with crap.

Edit: Here's my real issue - There's a lot of reasons to go PC, but we shouldn't ignore the trade-offs. For someone who is going to be uncomfortable doing this process or who wants an assurance/guarantee (for what is a large chunk of money for most people either way), they'll pretty much have to go prebuilt or literally follow a build guide that applies to the exact parts they actually ordered*. If they go prebuilt, most places they would think to get one from will have a shitty and overpriced offering. They basically have to already be in the know to reap the benefits. We can only really hope to continue growing our community and being helpful so that one day the generally anti-consumer console practices** will be washed away by glorious pc revolution. In the mean time, if you really look from a console user's POV, they aren't always unreasonable. If their experiences had exposed them to the right information and it all clicked and then they tribally insisted on console out of some weird fanboy/sunk-cost combo, then they are being a peasant. But that's probably not the case.

* None of them even know that's a resource to think about using.

** stuff like nvidia's pricing of FE cards or microsoft's windows 10 forced installation policies. oh wait.

[–]ram-romhttp://i.imgur.com/AhwpNx6.jpg 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can build a PC, resolder capacitors, fix most hardware issues just based off the sounds the computer makes..

Can't complete a puzzle to save my life.

[–]Enerith 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

Complete trash clickbait. If this guy is serious, I can't imagine how hard normal life is for him. Fucking grocery shopping is probably like taking medical boards. The fact is, these companies have made it INSANELY EASY to have customization within insanely complex tech. The fact that I can pick out a processor and place it within a motherboard of my choosing nearly as easy as putting that little square block in the hole when I wasn't even able to walk or talk blows my mind. FUCKING FIRE THIS GUY MOTHERBOARD.

[–]KommodoreAUPC Master Race 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

And thanks to outdated consoles, PC obsolescence takes way longer than it used to with no one pushing graphics or new engines. I am still using an i5-2500K from 2011 (gonna last longer than a console generation) and I can run every new game on high at 1440p, no plans to upgrade. The days of having to upgrade your GPU/CPU etc. every few years when a new game comes out are over, and that was always optional, what you downgrade to medium settings instead and still have better quality than a console.

[–]MrToolBeltSet yourself free 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

VR is going to extend it longer (if your not playing VR games).

Everyone is throwing power at engines etc to get games looking the same, but rendered 2x @ 90 fps.

We should see non-VR games running better too (on older hw).

[–]primitiveTypeWE WANT PAID MODS 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is partially true, but most of the work being done to improve performance for VR won't really affect non-vr users. A lot of it isn't so much "Man, we have to render things twice? Let's just improve performance then". It's more like "Let's figure out ways to 'shortcut' so we only have to render things... 1.5 times". So a lot of it is about VR-specific improvements. I also expect that improvements to hardware will be VR-specific as well at some point.

[–]SgtExoSgtExo 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

And if you do not want to do it yourself, your local computer shop will be happy to put it together for you for a small fee, and it will still come out costing less than a boutique store).

[–]pepe_le_shoe 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or just buy a prebuilt, most places don't overcharge, there's no shame in it

[–]QscfrR9 270 | I5 4590 | 8gb DDR3 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

I just upgraded after like what, 5 years?

Also people are going to buy a console and a $500 pc regardless, why not just make a gaming pc for ~$600 or a high end one for $900.

[–]ram-romhttp://i.imgur.com/AhwpNx6.jpg 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know so many people that have (1) Xbox one, (1) PS4, (1) personal PC - normally a MAC book. And tell me to my face PC gaming is to expensive.

Motherfucker, you have over $2,000 in shit right there. I consolidated it into one device and spent half the money and get better performance.

[–]shazarakkShazarakk - 4770k 4.4ghz 770 4gb SLI - 76561198040949024 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

When I was fixing my waterloop, I forgot to plug one of my SSDs in.....

No joke.

[–]scorcher24AMD Fanboi 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Harmless. I once destroyed a CPU when putting the fan on. Was back in the days when the die would be unprotected on top of it. Think it was one of the first AMD Dual Cores.

[–]simonhezi72700k/32Gddr3/r9290x4g 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Athlon !!! :D had one too and I had actually forgot the cooling altogether... the magic smoke left the chip :(

[–]CoolBeer 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is a video somewhere showing what happens when you remove the cooler from both AMD and Intel processors (old video mind you), while both AMD and Intel had throttling based on temperature, the AMD one was way to slow to catch the sudden spike in temp that naturally happens when you remove said cooler. Cue magic smoke.

[–]Remmes-i5-2500K@4.6 / GTX 970 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

My internet went down, took cable going from modem to router and plugged it into laptop to see if it was router or modem fault.

Reset both, checked connection and it worked... Unplug cable... No wifi.. Uhg wtf, plug cable back in to laptop. Watched a show that was online.

Checked wifi again after 20 minutes. Still nothing.

Then realized I would have to plug in the damn cable into my router to get wifi working.

No matter how good you are there will sometimes be these stupid mistakes.

[–]treblah3i5 2500k still going strong! 146ポイント147ポイント  (37子コメント)

"all PC cases are ugly anyway."

Stopped reading at that point. The Motherboard article is clearly written by a console troll. It's written in the style of an entitled child that was given a homework assignment he didn't like.

Also, do people forget that PCs do other things besides run games?

[–]atchman25Totally underused GTX980 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

I just bought a new Corsair Obsidian 750D case for my PC because I thought it looked pretty.

[–]BossOfCourseImWorkin 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

He's an apple fan boy. It's gotta look pretty and stylish instead of being functional.

[–]treblah3i5 2500k still going strong! 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

pretty and stylish

I guess he considers cheap plastic white pretty and stylish.

[–]Bobby_Marks2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow that's just ignorant and insulting.

They also make perfectly pretty and stylish little black garbage cans.

[–]Gandeh 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

That was my thoughts, Another note on the "Pc do other things", They also play games better than consoles, What I mean by that is I was playing Overwatch with friends the other night and they wanted to have 5 mins to go smoke, I dont smoke so sure, off they go, I decided in that 5 mins I could crank out some path of exile daily quests and watch a youtube video, I did all of that without closing overwatch or leaving the party, Fairly sure that isnt possible on consoles?

And my case isnt a nice pc case, but its nicer than a console!

[–]dstaller 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

The cutting edge part I can understand, but that goes for cutting edge technology in every field. If I wanted to the newest model of a particular car with all the bells and whistles I would have to buy a brand new car every single year that the new model releases in. If I wanted the latest and greatest smartphone I would need to also buy a new one every 6 months to a year just to make sure I have all the latest features.

But do I need any of those? Of course not. I can buy a new car or smartphone and it's going to do everything I need for a few years (car for longer, but it's also much more expensive). Sure, I might not get next years new popular feature, but it's not going to hinder my ability to use that product.

The only benefit of consoles in that regard is that the "nextgen" consoles released a piece of shit and has stayed a piece of shit since then because you can't polish a turd. 100% guaranteed that had Microsoft or Sony released an upgraded console at any given point in time after the original release then console users would've went out and bought the new one immediately just because they were told it was more powerful.

[–]yakri 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

The computer science of what makes a video card great ...

Just wait till I tell my friend in ECE apparently I do his job now this is going to be great.

Edit:

I also got a MasterCase Maker 5 Mid-Tower Case instead of a Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 because that's what was readily available on Amazon and all PC cases are ugly anyway.

U FUCKIN' WOT M8? I'LL FUCKIN FIND YOU MOTHERFUCKER.

Edit:

That's why I recommend Apple products

!!!

[–]CToxin4790k + 290x 1440p 144hz freesync 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

All case are ugly?

Someone hasn't seen a Lian Li or InWin.

[–]TheForgeMasteri5 4690k | 8GB DDR3 | GTX 770 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

A large amount of disposable income

Buys an i7

[–]pepe_le_shoe 83ポイント84ポイント  (75子コメント)

Because poor people dropping $500 on a console and $60 per game isn't financially irresponsible

[–]ixiduffixi 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget to factor in subscription costs to play games online that pc can do for free.

[–]CEO_of_GamerGate 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Before I was even old enough to get into a PG-13 movie and before the web existed and when I had no adults around me who knew anything about computers and who didn't support or encourage me in anything, I built my first computer.

To get the money, I mowed a lot of yards over the summer.

Then I used that money to buy a cheap computer out of the classified ads.

Then, I "added" some software to the computer and put it up for sale again in the same classified ads, for a chunk more money.

Then I sold it.

Then I repeated this with a better computer using the funds from that.

Then I used the funds from the even better one to go to a local computer shop and buy the parts I needed.

Then, I put it together. The only thing I didn't do was seat the CPU into the socket, because I thought it was more difficult than it was. The guy at the counter happily did it for me. I did everything else.

If a kid in like fifth grade with no money no allowance no mentor and no web can put a computer together, then a fucking teenager or adult in an age where everyone has fuckcing disposable income and iPhones and Xboxes and internet access and the vastness of the internet and youtube as educational tools right down to the point of having literal step by step videos on assembling your computer sure as fuck can.

[–]Beowulf891i7 4970k; 16GB RAM; GTX980 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

I managed to read most of the article but I cringed at how stupid it was. PC building is not difficult. It's not arcane wizardry or dark magic. The fact that there's no ability to comment... that author knows damn well he's an idiot and should not be making a statement about the "ease or difficulty" of PC gaming.

[–]Mitosis 38ポイント39ポイント  (11子コメント)

If we accept the premise as it is, the first red flag is the $2000 cost. I just overbuilt my new system with an i7 6700k and EVGA GTX 1080 SC as a treat to myself, had to buy Windows for $120, and the final total was $1700 after 10% sales tax. I have no idea what he did to save $250 on the graphics card and still come out $300 more expensive.

It only got worse from there. The motherboard manual doesn't explain where to plug stuff in? It's by far the most helpful manual for every part because it does exactly that!

[–]linkinstreeti7 4960X - 16GB Corsair DDR3 - 128GB Intel SSD - GTX1070 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember the time where motherboard does not tag nor colour code their JP1 for the front panel? While some motherboards would use the same shape (HDD LED top, Power LED bottom, Reset Middle Top, Power Middle Bottom, Buzzer Right most), some like Asrock and DFi (now that's a name I long forgotten) would jumble up theirs and we had to rely on the manuals to plug in those

Nowadays 90% of all mobos have them colour coded and clearly labelled.

[–]GaderaelAMD FX6300/Gigabyte R9 390 8GB/2x4GB Samsung "magic" RAM 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus if you're still not sure, one quick google search and you'll have the diagram in front of you. Had to do that with an old oem board. Took all of 2 minutes to find it.

[–]Doctor_Insano_MD 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hell, you don't even need that.

"Hm, my fan has a 3 prong connector. I wonder where it plugs in at?"

"Ah, this plug coming from the power supply is really long with a clip on it. It must fit in the only place it can."

[–]threemages 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's written to be inflammatory to get our eyes/clicks. I doubt he even believes what he's written, hell he might just have taken a few stock pictures from elsewhere and made up some story. That's where this type of journalism is at these days. I'm glad OP didn't link to the actual article.

[–]Vote_Subataii5-4690k | R9 380 4GB 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. I'm a novice builder and that's cringe-inducing to even me.

[–]nicolass1101i5 3330|8GB|660Ti http://goo.gl/AjjcQK 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I looked at the author's twitter. Goddamn. So ignorant it burns

[–]NoAstronomer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge ...

just wanted wanted to point out that this is true for EVERY aspect of human society.

[–]PM_ME_PIN_UP_ART 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's fucking snapping Legos together for adults at this point

[–]bingleshminki7-4770k @ 4.2 Ghz, GTX 980 Ti, 16gb @1866 Mhz 659ポイント660ポイント  (116子コメント)

There were some things about my build that were different from the guide, like my CPU Corsair Hydro Series H100i water cooling system, which, unlike a standard heatsink, doesn't require applying thermal paste.

Please, please someone tell me I'm reading this wrong.

[–]mindaz3 337ポイント338ポイント  (64子コメント)

I think he wanted to say, that heatsink comes with pre-applied thermal paste.

[–]PasteeyFan420LoL 167ポイント168ポイント  (48子コメント)

Shitty intel stock coolers have pre applied paste. I don't trust it, but it's still there.

[–]fabreeze 176ポイント177ポイント  (32子コメント)

Nothing wrong with stock coolers with pre-applied

[–]longgammaLenovo Y50 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

I never understand the hate for stock coolers. Are Intel folks that dumb to ship inferior shit that will damage their product and cause massive RMA and bad press ? Some people just like to spend money lol.

[–]forsubbingonlyFuck you. 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

It comes with a cooler because it needs one, it comes with a mediocre example of a cooler because anyone who needs more is going to buy their own.

[–]autobahn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

i mean, the intel coolers work great for non-overclocking purposes.

[–]EeLitareti5-4460 | GTX960 FTW 4GB | 250GB SSD | 8GB 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

My Temps are great with stock cooler. IMO case airflow is more important than aftermarket cooler.

[–]Delthyri7 3770 | GTX 770 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, stock coolers aren't as bad as people say, but they can get noisy af.

[–]Iamienhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/Iamien1 51ポイント52ポイント  (13子コメント)

I don't get why this beginner deviated from the beginner guide and went with water cooling, arguably the most complicated aspect of PC building, and then proceeded to compare the experience to Apple, whose computers simply do not have water-cooled options.

[–]bingleshminki7-4770k @ 4.2 Ghz, GTX 980 Ti, 16gb @1866 Mhz 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yea, his decision, especially as a newcomer, to go for a AIO watercooler instead of just the stock cooler makes absolutely no sense. There's no point in going for a water cooler if you aren't going to overclock, especially an h100i. Based of this article I don't think he even knows what overclocking is. You can't complain about PC gaming being too expensive when you are buying expensive parts that you don't even need.

[–]LOLZebra 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hell im pretty experienced and work in IT and even I dont have a water cooler for my personal computer. I just don't want to deal with that shit.

[–]SuperSheep3000PC Master Race 26ポイント27ポイント  (17子コメント)

Erm. Even standard heatsinks usually come with thermal paste. Unless Intel have changed in the last generation.

[–]Sunscorcher 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

I built a pc 5 years ago with an i7 sandy bridge, the stock cooler didn't have paste pre-applied but it did come with a tube

[–]SirPanicsi3 6100 / GTX 950 / 8GB 2133mhz / B150M Bazooka / Air 240 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really hope he's talking about the pre-applied thermal compound.

[–]bigmaguro 108ポイント109ポイント  (31子コメント)

Step 3: Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

r9 290 released Oct 2013

[–]nameless9124770k/980SC 55ポイント56ポイント  (16子コメント)

780ti was released in, like, the stone age? And it can still play all modern games.

[–]moonerdooder 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

My g3258 and amd HD7870 plays the Witcher 3 admirably. It's not perfect but I'm glad it runs at all. Total build cost was around five hundred. Whoever wrote this article is a twat with an anti pc agenda.

[–]poorlytaxidermiedfox 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have a HD7870. 2016 will be the year I have to let it retire; I can't even hit 20 fps on Doom. So how much is the upgrade I'm shooting for? About 200 bucks. Half the price of a PS4.

[–]nicket 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Step 3: Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

What on earth does this guy think "cutting edge" means? Of course you're not going to have the best and newest stuff unless you pay attention to what is best at the time and don't mind paying for it. If he doesn't want to spend time or money he could get himself a console that wasn't cutting edge when it came out over 2 years ago and certainly isn't cutting edge today.

[–]Remmes-i5-2500K@4.6 / GTX 970 324ポイント325ポイント  (49子コメント)

"because that's what was readily available on Amazon and all PC cases are ugly anyway"

Lol. That whole article is ridiculous. Seems written by someone that never seen a computer.

[–]gustsof1000winds 162ポイント163ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just take a brief look at his twitter, it's all about mobile games.

On second thought, don't go there. 'tis a silly place.

[–]cjbr 87ポイント88ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's mostly him talking shit on Pokemon Go, then screens of him playing Pokemon Go "ironically". What a contrarian tool.

[–]caessa_i7-4790, GTX 960, MSI 797 Gaming 5, 750W GQ 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, the parent company is vice... aka hipster homeplanet.

[–]OJFrost 45ポイント46ポイント  (35子コメント)

There are some seriously sleek pc cases out there if you aren't into the "gamer" pc. I'm not convinced he browsed amazon for even 5 minutes.

[–]Remmes-i5-2500K@4.6 / GTX 970 21ポイント22ポイント  (26子コメント)

Exactly. Phanteks, NZXT, and my own favorite Fractal Design have some good looking cases that don't scream for attention.

[–]Sir_ClyphClyph | i5 2500k/OC'd R9 280/8GB RAM/250GB 840EVO/1TB HDD/350D 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Corsair 350D comes to my mind.

What? No, I'm not biased. >.>

[–]QuietLittleVoice... 81ポイント82ポイント  (2子コメント)

all PC cases are ugly anyway.

oh god

That's why I recommend Apple products to people who aren't tech savvy. They just work. When I'm pushing a water cooler down on the CPU while twisting its radiator into place and screwing it into place at the same time, it becomes clear that PCs don't just work.

kill me, this guy just complains that PC parts are too expensive and his remedy is to buy apple products.

[–]Galiron49 212ポイント213ポイント  (33子コメント)

RIP motherboard

[–]Mad-Eye-Ryani5 6600k @ 3.5GHz | G1 GAMING GTX970 | 8GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz 86ポイント87ポイント  (27子コメント)

They even said the variety of pc components is a bad thing. This has to be some sort of high level troll.

[–]Big_Cumshttps://i.imgur.com/KY3toB3.png 50ポイント51ポイント  (23子コメント)

This is why people buy from Apple.

That's a quote from the article.

If this was anywhere else I'd say it's trolling. But it's Vice. The magazine that invented the modern day hipster.

Edit: For anyone who doesn't know about modern day hipsters and their origin -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes

McInnes co-founded Vice in 1994 with Shane Smith and Suroosh Alvi.[6] His role as an editor at Vice led to him being referred to as "the Godfather of hipsterdom"[7] and one of the "primary architects of hipsterdom".[8]

[–]saikronfuck off steam spamming parasites 23ポイント24ポイント  (18子コメント)

I just checked his tweets and I'm like 85% sure he is mentally handicapped and/or an internet troll.

Also, "Vice, the magazine that invented the modern day hipster" is nonsense. That's like saying Boy's Life invented the modern day boy scouts. The magazines were made for an existing audience, and at the most generous we could say they influenced that audience. But invented? lol

[–]DarkElfBard 450ポイント451ポイント  (30子コメント)

She literally put that she didn't want to buy a pre-built computer because of markup, and then says everyone should buy an apple

[–]theDashingFoxWorkingGTX 960 4GB // i3-6100 // 16GB DDR4 145ポイント146ポイント  (10子コメント)

And also purchased higher priced items all from one place for "convenience."

[–]RocketPoweredPope 72ポイント73ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep, paid $100 bucks extra simply because she didn't want to use a service like pcpartpicker, and then actually had the balls to complain about price.

[–]AnanymousGamerSpecs/Imgur here 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apple computer

PC Gaming

Wut... It has to be a massive troll. Please be a massive troll...

[–]BrunoVonUno 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

She

article by Emanuel Maiberg

can't tell if flinging mad fire or misunderstanding. Siding with fire.

[–]Gingeverei5-6600K / asus strix 1080 OC 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

*he

[–]whitetrashpanda 193ポイント194ポイント  (13子コメント)

That's why I recommend Apple products to people who aren't tech savvy.

A mention of Apple has no place in a discussion about gaming, ffs.

[–]brok3nh3lix 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

?That's why I recommend Apple products to people who aren't tech savvy. They just work. When I'm pushing a water cooler down on the CPU while twisting its radiator into place and screwing it into place at the same time, it becomes clear that PCs don't just work."

the difference is one will play high end games, the other will not. Macs game library is also abysmal compared to PCs

you also dont need watercooling for PC gaming, stock coolers work just fine if you are not overclocking. and if you only doing a little bit of overlcocking a aftermarket air cooler works just fine as well.

[–]HerbertGWellsi5 3570K, GTX 980 SC, 32GB DDR3, 2 x 256GB SSD's. 457ポイント458ポイント  (41子コメント)

It made me laugh that the cowardly twat doesn't allow comments on his ill informed, poorly written "article".

EDIT: Just to be clear, I am talking about the article John is referencing, and not Johns Tweet.

/u/bredmor wrote a fantastic rebuttal, to be found here https://medium.com/@bredmor/pc-gaming-is-only-for-rich-obsessed-engineers-with-way-too-much-time-on-their-hands-2efa603ff1ed#.gwhs88ava

[–]arcalythi7-6700k, 16GB DDR4-2666, EVGA GTX1070 SC 91ポイント92ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's better to write your own counter-blog-post anyway, then backlink. Nobody takes comments seriously but a counter-blog can almost be respectable commentary.

[–]HerbertGWellsi5 3570K, GTX 980 SC, 32GB DDR3, 2 x 256GB SSD's. 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

That is true. Of course, getting that published and seen could prove difficult.

[–]arcalythi7-6700k, 16GB DDR4-2666, EVGA GTX1070 SC 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Such is the nature of blogging. If I wasn't at work right now I might be inspired enough to publish my own article just as a rebuttal.

[–]Mad-Eye-Ryani5 6600k @ 3.5GHz | G1 GAMING GTX970 | 8GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz 38ポイント39ポイント  (10子コメント)

Its like being at school and making fun of someone for being smart.

Yes building a PC requires a small amount of thinking. Why do we think thats a bad thing? When did we turn into idiots that can only plug in cables.

I feel like the authors of shit like this are selling themselves and their readers short.

[–]KaySquay 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

Later on in the article the author criticizes PC builders even more by saying they don't technically build, they just plug things in. And apparently that's still too hard lol

[–]FogeltheVogelAMD 162ポイント163ポイント  (24子コメント)

Apple reduces friction to the point where even my mom could upgrade the RAM on her iMac

Since when can you upgrade an Apple?

[–]Slims 117ポイント118ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ah, yes, my computer illiterate mother would have no trouble removing soldered ram components from a motherboard, and resoldering on new, higher capacity components.

Seriously though, this might be the most idiotic thing I've read...this week at least.

[–]DigitalCatcher 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

And since when since 2013 had Apple made a Mac where the RAM was not soldered to the Mobo?

[–]CapncorkyWho wants to play King's Quest III with me? 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's pretty much the one thing you can upgrade on a Mac. There's a little panel on the bottom that you can unscrew to add more RAM. Everything else is hidden away so that you have to purchase a whole new iMac when you want to upgrade to make it easier for the consumer to not have to think about it.

[–]ravenouscravingFX8350/16GB RAM/HD Radeon 7970x2 77ポイント78ポイント  (2子コメント)

motherboard.vice.com

Oh, well that explains it.

[–]AHeartOfGoal 71ポイント72ポイント  (11子コメント)

This may be blasphemy, but honestly, if he was having that hard of a time putting the thing together you can have it assembled at Fry's or wherever for like 80 bucks. Whole thing assembled, cable management done and pretty (my favorite part) and a 90 day warranty that puts any screw ups on them. I had this done earlier this year as I constantly travel for work and don't really have the time to sit and make everything just the way I want it. Of course, moving forward, I will do all of my own upgrades.

He shouldn't be spiting all this hate just because it was hard FOR HIM. I mean, I paid of the convenience of it, but if he is struggling so hard with something so simple maybe he should just eat the extra 80 >_>

[–]nameless9124770k/980SC 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

I can see the Fry's assembly service making sense if it's your first PC ever and you're buying way expensive parts and don't want to fuck anything up. I think it's a little overpriced for what it is, but if that's the safety tax for some people than so be it.

Now, should everyone who owns a high end PC learn how to maintain it? Sure. But I think it's reasonable to pay the 80 bucks the first time so that you know that out the door it's done right.

The other thing is, let's say you work full time and you're buying this thing for your kid. A few hours googling around and watching build guides and putting the thing together might legitimately be worth 80 bucks for you, and I think there's no shame in that.

[–]sonnytroni5-4690k | Sapphire 290x + H55/G10 | S340 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is that overpriced or not, even people who think they're going to blow up their apartment, fry their expensive $300 GPU or get viruses from improper installation can STILL have someone build it cheaper than a prebuilt.

[–]Kedani5 960 | GTX 960 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus christ...

Step 1: Have an unreasonable amount of disposable income.

Used a 'high end' parts list on PC Gamer. i7 CPU. AIO CPU cooler. Expensive unnecessary ROG motherboard. 850W PSU for single GPU system (1070 is rated at 150W). 32GB RAM. Upgraded to a 1TB SSD.

Step 2: Have an unreasonable amount of time to research, shop around, and assemble parts for your computer.

Did no research, used a parts list. Did not shop around, ordered everything from Amazon so it would all arrive quickly. Spent a whole five hours putting the thing together which I think is pretty reasonable for a novice.

Step 3: Get used to the idea that this is something you're going to have to keep investing time and money in as long as you want to stay at the cutting edge or recommended specifications range for new PC games.

Just plain bullshit rhetoric that is repeated over and over again. He has a $2000 system here that will easily keep him over the 'recommended specs' for 3+ years, longer if he's at 1080p (which I guess he is, already had a monitor).

Praises everything about the build. Performance. Guides on the internet and YouTube videos. /r/buildapc, /r/pcgamer and the PC community. Then slates the whole process, calling it ("with some authority") a nightmare! It's like one guy started the article, then someone else looked at it and said "Why the fuck would you want to do that?" and wrote a completely different contradictory conclusion.

Poor. Really poor.

[–]xIcarus2272600k @ 4.9GHz / GTX 970 Phantom / 16GB DDR3 62ポイント63ポイント  (7子コメント)

Pure savagery.

[–]GarbageBAGGR9 380 --i7 2600 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Total biscuits roast people like there is no tomorrow....

[–]HerbertGWellsi5 3570K, GTX 980 SC, 32GB DDR3, 2 x 256GB SSD's. 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

His video about the CS:GO lotto thing was one of the single best videos I've seen of his in a very long time.

[–]kuddlesworth9419 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

And you really don't need the highest end components to play games at max settings. Graphical fidelity hasn't changed at all in like 6 fuckign years. Crysis 1 still looks better then most current games and Crysis 3 still looks better then well everything.

I play everything I own at 2560x1440 with a 680 Classified just fine and that card is nearly 4 years old now. And when I built my PC I think i did the whole thing in 2 hours. That was removing the 680 from my old pc into my new case with new mobo and CPU. And it;s not like you can fuck anything up because things only fit if they are compatible. Don't force anything in to slots or connectors everything should just go in nicely. If you have a brain use it. Do a little research and ask some questions on Reddit. Anyone will help you out and give you good advice on here and no one will be a dick to you.

[–]THEfogVAULT5930k/X99-G5/TitanX/16GB 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I recommend Witcher 3 if you are looking for a high graphical fidelity title. Not sure if it has "better graphics" than Crysis 3, but it certainly is the best looking game in it's genre at this time.

[–]kuddlesworth9419 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

yea it's a good looker for sure but it's still not what I expected from games at his point. I mean we still don't have much tessellation in games. Things like brick walls still are all flat. It seems we are focusing on lighting effects at the moment instead of texture detail and resolution.

[–]real_misterkidding...i5-4690K@4.6GHz|GTX970@1506Mhz/4001Mhz|16Gibas@2000Mhz 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

TB is freakkin savage. Doesn't forgive. Doesn't forget.

[–]nelly676 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

despite being a lifelong gamer i had no idea hwo to build my gaming computer.

All i did was find a check list for basic ingredients, made sure they were compatible with informations on the fucking box, and put it together. Took me maybe 2 hours?

[–]WTBMoney 143ポイント144ポイント  (61子コメント)

Wow, who the fuck is brigading these comments with downvotes?

[–]NameSmurfHere[S] 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

No idea, there seems to be an anti-fan or something.

[–]HerbertGWellsi5 3570K, GTX 980 SC, 32GB DDR3, 2 x 256GB SSD's. 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or one person with multiple accounts, which happens more frequently than many people realise.

[–]HerbertGWellsi5 3570K, GTX 980 SC, 32GB DDR3, 2 x 256GB SSD's. 150ポイント151ポイント  (51子コメント)

People who do not like John Bain, it would seem, given that any positive comment about him gets hit.

[–]Boustanyi7 4790K | GTX 970 | 32GB RAM 177ポイント178ポイント  (40子コメント)

TotalBiscuit is one of the best personalities in the industry. He is outspoken but consistently an advocate for consumers and the greater good of PC gaming. It's difficult for me to fathom why people would dislike him.

[–]UrbanToiletShrimpSpecs/Imgur Here 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love TB, been a big fan for years, love his opinions and cutting commentary on things and for the most part I agree with what he is saying. He does sometimes come across as a bit vindictive and childish, and hes said and done some embarrassing shit in the past (who hasn't?). Overall I respect and admire the guy, but hes flawed and human too.

[–]Bric3dSpecs/Imgur here 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think this video of LinusTechTip having his 3 years old build a PC is just the best to show how this is stupid.

[–]Zeichner 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why didn't this Emanuel just ask a friend or coworker to walk him through it? EVERYTHING is hard when you do it yourself for the first time.

Just ask a friend to sit down with you and walk you through the steps when putting the thing together. As soon as you've done it just once you'll realize that FEAR IS THE MINDKILLER and there's nothing actually hard or scary about about building a PC.

Which is why this article is singularly unhelpful: it tells people, who are already afraid to try, even more scary stories... fuck you, Emanuel.

[–]Jealyi5 6600K / GTX 980Ti / 16GB DDR4 / PG278Q 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

EVERYTHING is hard when you do it yourself for the first time.

I have to disagree, about a decade ago it might have been, I mean my Dad showed me how to build PCs when I was younger. But this day & age (which the article loved to point out that it's 2016) you have access to the internet and especially YouTube. Which is jam packed full of how-to guides and tutorials for pretty much everything, including building a PC.

[–]oskar669 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is infuriating. He complains about the price, but he has a fucking macbook. He orders separate parts instead of a complete system and then complains that he has to assemble the parts. And then he complains about the difficulty of assembling it, which is literally easier than Lego since with a PC every part only fits in the correct slot. And then he installs the OS on a physical harddrive in a "$2000" system in 2016!

[–]Danny350i7-4790k | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 980 Ti 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fear this guy was one of the kids with the shape matching puzzle who could never figure out why the circle couldn't fit into the triangle slot..

[–]beericane 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll play devil's advocate here, (I love PC gaming, for the record).

Simply put, building a PC isn't "nothing" like buying a console is "nothing".

Buying and building a PC is easy. Deciding what to buy and build can be a nightmare for people.

Research is usually a requirement unless you trust a "just buy this" kind of guide (which there are some fantastic ones out there, absolutely). Maybe some people are cool with that, but most people dropping good money on something they don't know much about usually likes looking into things a bit deeper first.

And the problem with PC's has and always be that the rabbit hole of research is HUGE if you allow yourself to fall down it. You think you are looking up processor reviews and next thing you know you are knee-deep in clocks and cores and threading and versions and comparisons.

I built a few PC's for friends and family recently and I must have spent a few hours on each one in just research - and I used to build the damn things for a living.

The sheer number of processors out there, for example, is nuts and comparing one to another can be ridiculous: "this one is newer but slower, this one is older but faster, these two were released at about the same time and score about the same except in special applications, etc..". Put two wildly differently priced units on a comparison site and you see there is like a .2 point difference in overall score. Then you read the descriptions and they appear identical. It doesn't make sense unless you are "in the know" on processor tech.

Then there's all the other components with a gigantic array of prices and purposes. Is $20 RAM good enough or should I spring for $150 RAM? This hard drive gets good reviews but a hell of a lot of people complain about it dying on them. Which motherboard do I need? What case do I want? Will they fit together? Will my parts all fit into that sized mobo?

So you get your big list of parts and..... half of them are out of stock (I'm in Canada, Amazon sucks here and the best local stores have spotty and ever-changing inventory levels). Back to the drawing board. It's enough to drive a person to drink.

Don't get me wrong - PC gaming is awesome and you really can't buy better than a PC when it comes to flexibility and performance but it's by no mean "easy" unless you just throw your hands in the air and trust a PC gaming build guide (and can find the parts).

[–]deefop 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahahahah what a whiny little bullshit article

[–]fogeltanz 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

I give zero respect to an article that has spelling mistakes in the first paragraph.

despite why the awfully self-titled "PC Master Race" might tell you.

What a joke of an article on a site called Motherboard

[–]Get-ADUser 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Weird, I'm apparently blocked by him even though I've never interacted with him at all on Twitter.

[–]OldTimePCGamer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

SHHH! We don't want people to know how easy it actually is. Once they do, we can't make any money doing it. It's one of the easiest things I do for money because people think I'm a genius when I build one. I don't fleece people, but if they knew they could probably do it, I'd get fuck all. On the down-low people.

[–]Aii_Geei5 3570, GTX660 Ti 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ok by looking at how many upvotes this got I'm going to state an opinion that's probably unpopular.

Motherboard basically said (The part Totalbiscuit is probably referencing):

Step 2: Have an unreasonable amount of time to research, shop around, and assemble parts for your computer.

While unreasonable is probably not the right word, building a PC is still exactly not easy. How many of you could tell your siblings or parents to build a PC and they could? Most people are interested enough to play video games, but not many people are interested enough to build a PC. Hence why consoles are popular. People here think building PCs are easy because they know how to build one lol, if you know how to do it of course it's easy! That's like a carpenter saying renovating a house is easy, why are you hiring a professional? Just buy the tools and do the damn thing yourself! (yes I know being a skilled carpenter takes more skill than building a PC, but it's basically the same idea)

Building a PC is more then just assembling the parts. Assembling the parts is the easiest part, in fact. Becoming informed enough on the matter in order to know what parts are right for you is the most difficult one. Most people don't have the time or interest to make themselves informed on PC building, even if they have interest in video games.

When building a PC buying an i5 seems like a brain dead choice, but it's not a brain dead for your average person. Why not an i7? Why not an i3? Why not AMD, they are eight cores, higher GHz and cheaper!? What's the difference between the i5 6600k and the i5 6500?
Should I buy a more expensive CPU or GPU? Which part is more important?
Which brand of PSUs are the best? Are they safe? Is 500W enough? Is it compatible with the motherboard?
Which motherboard should I buy? What's the difference between the B150 the H170 and the Z170? H170s are cheaper, can I overclock my 6500 on a H170 motherboard?
What about those motherboard sizes, ATX, mATX, mITX? Will my ITX motherboard go into an ATX case? How will the ports of the motherboard even align with the case? Is there a standard for that?
Hey what about that RAM? How many MHz is enough? Is CL11 better than CL13? What does CL even mean? What does DDR even mean?
Hey will my motherboard bottleneck my SSD?

These questions only scratch the surface of the road to building a PC. I probably researched building a PC for a month or two before feeling comfortable with my knowledge of PC parts. But I was interested enough to building a PC that I took my time to learn it, hence why we can call ourselves enthusiasts. But there are people here who seem to trivialize building a PC, it's just putting together legos maaan.... everyone can do it, you should do it too But that's not the case, it never was. You're average person is not going to have the time or interest into learning out to build a PC, and you shouldn't reasonably expect so either. Hence why a lot of people will stick to consoles and hence why consoles will still stay popular for time to come.

I'm not saying I agree with that Motherboard article, I mostly disagree with it, but I don't agree with people who's trying to get even their grandmas to build a PC 'because it's so easy'.

[–]The1WhoCsAll 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Knowing computers is easy with the proper education. And educating one's self is easy given (1) internet access (2) free time (3) an interest in learning about it.

Anyone who pretends that building a computer makes you a genius either lacks one of the aforementioned three things OR is a cretin you shouldn't be speaking to anyway.

[–]uncle_jessieSpecs/Imgur here 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

My brother works construction. One of the most computer illiterate people I know. He just built his first gaming computer a year ago. It's not that hard. If you can put the square peg in the square hole...you can build a computer.

[–]NewMaxx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of my best friends, who is possibly one of the most computer illiterate people in existence, decided to build a gaming computer last year. I always let him game on my secondary machine when we lived close but I had since moved far away and he missed the experience. I offered to build and ship it to him but he wanted to do it himself.

I helped him pick out the parts and organized all of the literature (e.g., manuals) and then sent him step-by-step photos of a build I had recently done. He printed all of that out and made a binder and then got to work. He managed to get it all together in one night but was wary about the wiring and such. We skyped for a few hours and I helped him get his cabling so nice you'd think he was an expert builder.

We turned it on and...perfection. No problems since, plenty of gaming under our belts with it. The only part of the process he really needed my help with was hardware selection, but I had showed him PCPartPicker and it automatically checks compatibility for you and he was able to just go down the list and with a budget managed to actually put together a machine that way (I then went through and made suggestions). I jokingly now say that PC building is "so easy a his name can do it."

tl;dr My friend who could barely install WinAMP built a bad-ass gaming machine with one site, some research, and a bit of patience.

[–]lolly_lolightlyZ170A| 6600(4.4)| R9 Fury(1125/500)| 4*4GB| 53:9| K70| G500s 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Forget prebuilts, a webstore like NCIX will assemble your purchased parts for $50CAD.

[–]soratoyukii7 860, R9 380, 8GB, http://steamcommunity.com/id/soratoyuki 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just read the article and the only three pieces of information I got were "Building a PC is expensive, because I decided not to shop around, researching what parts is hard, except I got other people to happily do it for me, and building a PC is difficult, except it was actually really easy and with a ton of free resources."

So, um... +1 for PCMR?