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Charlie Kaufman's BAFTA speech, 2011 (self.TrueFilm)
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[–]Gobblignash -28ポイント-27ポイント-26ポイント 10時間前 (18子コメント)
Another American whining about the big evil gubment, I'll pass...
But in more seriousness, uh, ok? I don't really know how I'm supposed to react to this other than he's complaining abotu hos big dumb movies are big and dumb, and this makes us in turn big and dumb, because apparently everyone need to have the same vested interest in movies as Mr. Kaufman.
To this I can only assume he only reads literary fiction (and absolutely NO genre pleb shit), never listens to pop or Rn'B but only classical music, alternative rock and ballads, actively only seeks out the most intelligent art and the most brilliant sculptures (of course having an experts knowledge so he's familiar with what makes a sculpture great and what doesn't) and only spends his money on the finest culinary dishes and wine.
What's this, you read Dan Brown that one time?! You're contributing to the problem Kaufman!
In short, don't people like this ever tire of getting annoyed at big, dumb and accessible being what's selling the most tickets? "Waahhh, you don't have the same vested interest in film as me and thus doesn't appreciate the more complex completly non-marketed works of the medium, how dare you!".
Yeah I know there was a bunch of other stuff in there, but that's what he chose to end on and I really can't be arsed to read the rest.
[–]SamisSimas 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 8時間前 (6子コメント)
I think you are incredibly over simplifying a very long and complex argument into a very obvious straw man here. I don't think Kaufman every said anything along the lines of what you suggest he does. He was preaching individualism and conscious evaluation of what you consume and do, not just trashing big, popular things.
[+]Gobblignash スコアが基準値未満のコメント-26ポイント-25ポイント-24ポイント 8時間前 (5子コメント)
Well yes, I don't think Kaufman is an idiot, but copypasting an incredibly long speech without any summary of what it's about or any bullet points isn't really a great conversation starter, thus I just comment the out-of-context bits that did read towards the end, because there's fuck all else to do unless you read every copypasted speech you come across to the fullest.
[–]Cicjsjkgl 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 7時間前 (4子コメント)
because there's fuck all else to do ... unless you read it
Not post?
[+]Gobblignash スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Then why put up the speech at all if you don't want people commenting on it.
Here’s a recent quote that I found: ‘We do not talk, we bludgeon one another with facts and theories gleaned from cursory readings of newspapers, magazines and digests.’ That was actually written in 1945 by Henry Miller and I think it’s timely. I think what it says is that the world has been on its present course for a long time. People all over the world spend countless hours of their lives every week being fed entertainment in the form of movies, TV shows, newspapers, YouTube videos and the internet. And it’s ludicrous to believe that this stuff doesn’t alter our brains. It’s also equally ludicrous to believe that – at the very least – this mass distraction and manipulation is not convenient for the people who are in charge. People are starving. They may not know it because they’re being fed mass produced garbage. The packaging is colourful and loud, but it’s produced in the same factories that make Pop Tarts and iPads, by people sitting around thinking, ‘What can we do to get people to buy more of these?’ And they’re very good at their jobs. But that’s what it is you’re getting, because that’s what they’re making. They’re selling you something. And the world is built on this now. Politics and government are built on this, corporations are built on this. Interpersonal relationships are built on this. And we’re starving, all of us, and we’re killing each other, and we’re hating each other, and we’re calling each other liars and evil because it’s all become marketing and we want to win because we’re lonely and empty and scared and we’re led to believe winning will change all that. But there is no winning.
Here’s a recent quote that I found: ‘We do not talk, we bludgeon one another with facts and theories gleaned from cursory readings of newspapers, magazines and digests.’ That was actually written in 1945 by Henry Miller and I think it’s timely. I think what it says is that the world has been on its present course for a long time. People all over the world spend countless hours of their lives every week being fed entertainment in the form of movies, TV shows, newspapers, YouTube videos and the internet. And it’s ludicrous to believe that this stuff doesn’t alter our brains.
It’s also equally ludicrous to believe that – at the very least – this mass distraction and manipulation is not convenient for the people who are in charge. People are starving. They may not know it because they’re being fed mass produced garbage. The packaging is colourful and loud, but it’s produced in the same factories that make Pop Tarts and iPads, by people sitting around thinking, ‘What can we do to get people to buy more of these?’
And they’re very good at their jobs. But that’s what it is you’re getting, because that’s what they’re making. They’re selling you something. And the world is built on this now. Politics and government are built on this, corporations are built on this. Interpersonal relationships are built on this. And we’re starving, all of us, and we’re killing each other, and we’re hating each other, and we’re calling each other liars and evil because it’s all become marketing and we want to win because we’re lonely and empty and scared and we’re led to believe winning will change all that. But there is no winning.
Bloody hell, have you read this garbage? "The evil THEM are feeding us crap TV turning us into mindless drones!". Attention needs to be earned, and this is trash. If a 15 year old said this I'd say "it's good you're getting interested in politics, but everything's not that simple", if it's coming out the mouth of a 58 year old, not only is it incredibly worrying, it also just pathetic.
The rest of the text, his feeling towards screenwriting and storytelling being a sort of exploration is infinitely more interesting, but rather than being the crux of the speech, it just seems to be afiller out for his pathetic conspiratorial ramblings.
I'm very sorry for fans of Kaufman, and he is a great director and screenwriter, but this speech is filled with nonsense. It's the worldview of a teenager, not wanting to acknowledge the complexities of the world but instead seek a great big "other" to blame all his problems on.
Shame on you /r/truefilm for upvoting this garbage, what the hell is this?
[–]Pistasei 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I watched this a couple of days ago. I didn't really connect with what he was saying. I've seen his films without knowing how he looks like. I've heard he's the best screenwriter of our time, and I would agree to an extent. But, I was evaluating him rather than what he was putting forth. I was mirroring my idea of him vs. what I was actually seeing.
oh, the irony.
Reading it as a transcript was great for me to get to the bottom - if there is one - of what he was trying to say.
And that really connected with me.
You say the world is more complex than what he makes it out to be. Have you read/watched his speech?
He argues for individuality, exploring yourself as you write and how you should seek to find your own voice. He does so in great length while reflecting on his own life and career.
That's refreshing to me.
Most screenwriting lectures/speeches I've seen or heard - whether in school, online or via my job - always revolve around what's established i.e. structure.
Kaufmann argues that a writer should embrace the unknown, within oneself primarily. He calls for writers to be "naked," in a sense, so that the truth becomes more apparent. That takes guts.
More so, and in the same vein, I think it took a lot of guts for Kaufmann to articulate himself and his ideas the way he did, and in the forum he did it in. Ku-fucking-dos. You wouldn't see Aaaron Sorkin do that.
Good on you /r/truefilm for upvoting this. I found it helpful, inspiring.
Sorry for the poor grammar.
[–]merdada -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
It's amazing how he uses a quote as a cursorily gleaned bludgeon in an argument for "quoting is for sheeple". Am I missing some sharp self-aware sarcasm, or does he really think it's okay to do so as long your 'facts and theories' come from famous intellectual writers? Oh, apparently Serpico is also a-okay. Can a pleb get a list in here?
[–]forwardmarsh 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You sure do write a lot for someone who hasn't read the thing they're commenting on.
[–]youpostyoudie 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (9子コメント)
I think you might have looked at /lit/ for too long.
[–]Gobblignash -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
Only went there to shitpost once, but that still doesn't mean whining about "sheeple watching crap tv turning them into mindless drones" isn't being incredibly hypocritical.
I really didn't expect this sub to be so pretentious an opinion like that would be lauded, but life's full of surprises I guess...
[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
Yeah I kind of agree with that but stop calling people pleb.
[–]Gobblignash 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
I haven't, I was exaggerating the role of someone who has the mindset of "fucking plebs watch crap tv, now they're dumb". Hell, I've probably read less than five actual pieces literary fiction, in fact I barely read at all sicne movies are my primary interest.
Guess it didn't come across in the tone, but whatevs.
[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
What's ur beef with literary fiction?
[–]Gobblignash 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Now you're just intentionally misreading what I'm saying, sod off.
[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Nah I just misread it I guess, my b.
[–]ionlyeatburgers -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
If that's all you managed to come out of reading that speech with, I'd suggest you maybe should read it again. I don't imagine you will, but I really think you missed every one of his points, none of which were that.
If only you'd bother to read the comments where I'd actually talk about his speech, maybe you'd get a better understanding of what I make of it, instead of jumping directly into a conversation that's about something else.
[–]ionlyeatburgers -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 41分前 (0子コメント)
I read, and read again, all your comments in this thread, because I really didn't understand them. The general theme does seem to be that you think Kaufman has done nothing more than vilify pop-art, which I disagree was one of the main or peripheral points of his argument. I don't think anyone he asks to listener or reader to stick their nose up at any art or have the same "vested-interest" in movies as he does. To me, he is asking that we be curious and critical of what we consume and question the intentions of ourselves and the producers of the content we consume. I don't see how anyone could really think that's a bad idea.
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