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[–]Gobblignash -28ポイント-27ポイント  (18子コメント)

Another American whining about the big evil gubment, I'll pass...

But in more seriousness, uh, ok? I don't really know how I'm supposed to react to this other than he's complaining abotu hos big dumb movies are big and dumb, and this makes us in turn big and dumb, because apparently everyone need to have the same vested interest in movies as Mr. Kaufman.

To this I can only assume he only reads literary fiction (and absolutely NO genre pleb shit), never listens to pop or Rn'B but only classical music, alternative rock and ballads, actively only seeks out the most intelligent art and the most brilliant sculptures (of course having an experts knowledge so he's familiar with what makes a sculpture great and what doesn't) and only spends his money on the finest culinary dishes and wine.

What's this, you read Dan Brown that one time?! You're contributing to the problem Kaufman!

In short, don't people like this ever tire of getting annoyed at big, dumb and accessible being what's selling the most tickets? "Waahhh, you don't have the same vested interest in film as me and thus doesn't appreciate the more complex completly non-marketed works of the medium, how dare you!".

Yeah I know there was a bunch of other stuff in there, but that's what he chose to end on and I really can't be arsed to read the rest.

[–]SamisSimas 34ポイント35ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you are incredibly over simplifying a very long and complex argument into a very obvious straw man here. I don't think Kaufman every said anything along the lines of what you suggest he does. He was preaching individualism and conscious evaluation of what you consume and do, not just trashing big, popular things.

[–]forwardmarsh 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sure do write a lot for someone who hasn't read the thing they're commenting on.

[–]youpostyoudie 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think you might have looked at /lit/ for too long.

[–]Gobblignash -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Only went there to shitpost once, but that still doesn't mean whining about "sheeple watching crap tv turning them into mindless drones" isn't being incredibly hypocritical.

I really didn't expect this sub to be so pretentious an opinion like that would be lauded, but life's full of surprises I guess...

[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah I kind of agree with that but stop calling people pleb.

[–]Gobblignash 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I haven't, I was exaggerating the role of someone who has the mindset of "fucking plebs watch crap tv, now they're dumb". Hell, I've probably read less than five actual pieces literary fiction, in fact I barely read at all sicne movies are my primary interest.

Guess it didn't come across in the tone, but whatevs.

[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's ur beef with literary fiction?

[–]Gobblignash 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now you're just intentionally misreading what I'm saying, sod off.

[–]youpostyoudie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah I just misread it I guess, my b.

[–]ionlyeatburgers -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

If that's all you managed to come out of reading that speech with, I'd suggest you maybe should read it again. I don't imagine you will, but I really think you missed every one of his points, none of which were that.

[–]Gobblignash 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If only you'd bother to read the comments where I'd actually talk about his speech, maybe you'd get a better understanding of what I make of it, instead of jumping directly into a conversation that's about something else.

[–]ionlyeatburgers -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read, and read again, all your comments in this thread, because I really didn't understand them. The general theme does seem to be that you think Kaufman has done nothing more than vilify pop-art, which I disagree was one of the main or peripheral points of his argument. I don't think anyone he asks to listener or reader to stick their nose up at any art or have the same "vested-interest" in movies as he does. To me, he is asking that we be curious and critical of what we consume and question the intentions of ourselves and the producers of the content we consume. I don't see how anyone could really think that's a bad idea.