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[–]pacjaxAP4LP 2020 295ポイント296ポイント  (147子コメント)

CAN'T fucking believe bernie endorsed hillary

Edit: how the fuck do I have so many upvotes if there's like 100 people who disagree with me

[–]LargeDan 177ポイント178ポイント  (27子コメント)

Didn't he repeatedly say he would?

[–]xBigChillinx 20ポイント21ポイント  (13子コメント)

Just as he repeatedly said he would take this to the convention.

[–]FrostyGrass 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

Or how he said she wasn't qualified.

[–]eskamobob1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

someone doesnt have to be qualified to get an endorsement, just a better option (in the endorsers mind) than the other option.

[–]FrostyGrass 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm just showing how he is hypocritical, you don't endorse someone you say is unqualified and has poor judgement.

[–]LuckyIrish73 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's still going.

[–]steve-d 161ポイント162ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yes. He has never said anything to the contrary. If anything, he stuck to his promise. Nobody should be surprised.

[–]hypernova2121 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

no, i'm pretty sure hillary personally kidnapped his grandchildren. that is a much more logical possible scenario than the outlandish idea that he has said he will endorse her since the beginning

[–]Anarchilli 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bernie Sanders is and has always been a pragmatist. Is he a man of ideals and principles? Yes. But he is willing to compromise. I wish he would have stayed a thorn in her side or endorsed Johnson as a big fuck you to the democratic establishment, but I think he decided he can push his position better from inside the tent than outside. That's all there is to it.

[–]steve-d 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, I can't dispute what you're saying so it's got to be true.

[–]i_am_soooo_screwed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, she did specifically mention his wife and son at the beginning of her speech. SPECIFICALLY

[–]VioletWinters 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is misleading. He said he would hold out until convention (repeatedly). That is where much of the anger comes from.

[–]steve-d -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/pacjax said he couldn't believe Bernie endorsed Clinton. Whether it's now or in two weeks, he said all along he would if she won.

[–]DiamondPup 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to mention he is helping to take down Trump, which, if he accomplishes nothing else, would be right up there with all his civil rights' stances, progressive views and political accomplishments.

He's compromising with the reality he's got instead of jeopardizing the welfare of his country on political maneuvering (Brexit anyone?). Of course he's going to back Hillary. It makes sense that he would do so in service of all the voices he's tried to stand for.

Too bad the same can't be said for his followers who'd rather throw tantrums and, rather than compromise, want a panacea or nothing at all.

It's easier for Ron Paul to not endorse the Establishment because he wasn't up against Trump.

Hillary is shit but Bernie is doing the best he can with what he's got; why don't his followers seem to understand this? Are they so heavily deluded?

[–]I_met_John_Stamosvoluntaryist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you think it would have made a difference if Paul were in an analogous position to Bernie? He still hasn't endorsed Trump despite his disdain for Clinton. Romney could have been running against the devil himself and I don't think Paul would have endorsed him.

[–]rocker5743 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont think Bernie is doing it only because shes the nominee. They have almost the exact same voting record and share many, many views. If Bernie truly disagreed with most of her positions, and she wasn't running against Trump I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't endorse her.

[–]GTI-Mk6 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sanders fans are delusional.

[–]SenorBeef 86ポイント87ポイント  (4子コメント)

So after telling the democratic party he'd endorse the eventual nominee if they let him use the party apparatus to run and spread his message, and was publically open about that position for many months, it's a complete shock to you that he did what he said he'd do all along?

[–]rivermandan 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

CAN'T fucking believe bernie endorsed hillary

why, have you not been paying attention to him saying he would do that from the moment he announced his run?

[–]OneMe2RuleUAlldowhateverthehellyouwant -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also said she wasn't qualified to be president. So essentially he is endorsing someone he doesn't think should be president. The democratic party is essentially giving hand jobs for the promise of future hand jobs.

[–]lolnopound 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

CAN'T fucking believe bernie endorsed hillary

Yea why would somebody vote for the candidate they identify with the most?

[–]FF7Cid[S] 44ポイント45ポイント  (37子コメント)

I can't either as someone who identified himself as an independent I'm really surprised he's okay with the two party hold on politics

[–]DugtrioTheFinest 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

Maybe he isn't but he knows how the system works and doesn't want Trump as president, or maybe he doesn't like the third party candidates more than Hillary.

[–]DiamondPup 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

The only sensible answer in this echo chamber of bullshit.

I'm really surprised by the immature tantrums being thrown by other Bernie supporters. Of course he has to endorse Hillary; he knows she's shit, we all know she's shit. But she's miles and leagues better than Trump and if Sanders can't be the panacea to the current political issues, then this decision is, at the very least, a compromise with that reality. You work towards a progression and build towards it, step by step. Is it the leap we all wanted? No. But it's a step. The alternative is Trump.

Bernie is doing what he's always done; making the necessary compromises to get shit done to build towards the country he wants America to be. And the shit to get done is making sure Trump doesn't become President.

This pissy we-hate-Hillary-so-we-aren't-voting or we're-going-to-vote-for-a-third-party-so-there-! nonsense is going to land the United States with one of the stupidest, bigoted, self-serving presidents in history. You are splitting votes with a third party candidate; Hillary will lose votes, Trump won't be affected at all and no third party will get enough to win.

I mean seriously America, did you learn nothing form Brexit? Are you determined to out stupid the U.K. here?

[–]underco5erpope 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, seriously. I just unsubbed from S4p, not that I had visited there recently, but I just got fed up.

[–]hammy3000 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Compromise, compromise, compromise, wait how did we get here?

At some point, you have to stop voting for the lesser of two evils.

[–]tanoid -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not if you want your vote to count.

[–]hammy3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the insanity of selection our voting process has given us the past 50+ years, I have no idea how people can still argue to make "your vote count."

[–]Flagellum_Dei -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your italics are cunty as fuck.

[–]war_on_words 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

How can you be surprised? He's the guy who has all the answers, "if only you'd just do what he fucking tells you to do, idiot!"

To a guy like Bernie, the only problem with authoritarianism is that he's not [yet] the authority.

[–]FF7Cid[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (16子コメント)

Sounds like you're being sarcastic, but I had respect for him for identifying as independent for all these years and for appearing to stand for what he believed in.

That's all gone with the endorsement to Clinton, yeah I know it's politics - just like the way Rand Paul endorsed Romney - but this election cycle Rand had absolutely no steam, there is a reason for that. People care about endorsements, maybe in "their" circles it means nothing, but to us integrity and honesty means everything.

[–]war_on_words 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

There is no virtue in standing up for a terrible set of beliefs.

[–]FF7Cid[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

I disagree, standing up against the two party system shows virture, not anymore though.

[–]Obliviouschkn 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

He didn't stand up against the 2 party system though. He joined one of the sides and stayed loyal to that side when he lost.

[–]ReadyThor 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

He gave his word he would do so from the start. He probably did so so that his political affiliation would not be placed in doubt as that would have undermined his strategy to use the two party system for his ends. Joining a major political party was the only way he foresaw would give him a chance to effect significant change.

[–]Obliviouschkn -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

I understand all that, but he still doesn't deserve the praise he gets now that he joined forces with Hillary. He literally spent the last several months categorizing how untrust worthy she is as a candidate only to turn around and endorse her. He's a sell out and is now forever branded as such.

[–]Teslnikl 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's not a fucking sell out. He was pretty straight with everyone on this issue from the beginning and he has clearly explained his reasoning behind his actions. This is getting ridiculous.

[–]ReadyThor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll wait and see what he's sold himself for before. I'm in no particular hurry to judge.

[–]goofygoobr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

its a shitty move for bernie to endorse hillary but i dont want a trump presidency so i guess hillary was an ok move.. vote johnson.

[–]FF7Cid[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's the problem.

[–]braindamage05 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

But Bernie is still a realist I think. He KNOWS that his whole movement has a shelf life. The history of liberal movements in late 20th century US is a pattern of hyper optimistic movements that peter out. And his support is nearly completely from the White college student, that notoriously fickle and unreliable voter. The huge liberal student movement of the 60s didn't lead to a progressive future: it pissed off middle America that they voted in Nixon and Reagan in by landslides. Sanders knows this because he was at the forefront of that movement 50 years ago. So when he had the chance to take concessions for rewriting the Democratic Party platform, as a guy who wasn't even a Democrat until 18mo ago of course he's going to take it. Even if it amounts to writing the party's mission statement, it's by far the best option to making a lasting change. Because when midterms roll around in 2 years his support will have moved on, same as they did for Obamas hope and change in the '10 and '14 midterms.

[–]AmericasElegy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hasn't the platform recently become "Yay TPP, Yay Fracking, and Fuck Palestine?"

I just don't see how there can be any net benefit gain in progressivism when Hillary is far right on a lot of issues. Like maybe he steers the course back center but shit.

[–]war_on_words 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've been having private chats with Bernie, eh?

[–]AlisherUsmanov 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

the two party is a natural occurence. The acceptable and popular ideas of outsiders will be absorbed by the two strongest. Its science.

[–]Galgus 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's only inevitable in the first past the post voting system we use, where people vote for what they see as the lesser of two evils rather than their true preference due to the spoiler effect.

[–]ReadyThor -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, still happens with other systems such as single transferable vote.

[–]Galgus 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It allows third parties to gain support without the spoiler effect, giving them room to grow and people a choice other than hoping one of two major parties cares enough to change for them.

The current system is completely inferior.

[–]AlisherUsmanov -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. And it is how the most peoples views are represented in the most efficient manner. Sorry you want some candidate that 26 percent of people passionately support while alienating the rest of the country. Good one.

[–]Galgus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many people do you think only vote for one of two major parties because they simply don't want the other to win, not because it is their true preference?

I'd wager there are enough of them to change the political landscape without the spoiler effect.

There is nothing efficient about a system of voting that keeps people from expressing their true preferences due to the spoiler effect.

[–]AlisherUsmanov -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this all presumes you want proportional representation then, right? Because even if we all have our own party, it will still end up at 2.

[–]werftedstite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he was being sarcastic, pretty much everyone saw it coming

[–]MPFuzz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, it's really only about making sure Trump is not president. That's why he endorsed her.

[–]howescj82 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't you? I imagine he's going to help her win rather than help Trump win.

[–]DugtrioTheFinest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he doesn't like Trump so it makes sense

[–]xsited1hayekian 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

Bernie didn't want to be included in the Clinton body count.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bernie wants to be the VP.

[–]GoatAllu 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think all he wants is some influence on the platform. He probably doesn't want VP Because he would be WAY too old to run for president after an 8 year Clinton presidency.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a former Vermonter that's been following Bernie for 20 years. I gave to his campaign when he was less than 1% in the polls. I knew that he's endorse if he loss. He said he would since the beginning of the campaign. Get over it and keep fighting the fight. The presidency is over. The down ballot candidates matter more anyway.

[–]Cheese85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is that so hard to believe? He's a politician.

[–]AP3Brain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said he would though from the beginning..

[–]Teslnikl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously? He was very clear about whether he would endorse Hillary from the beginning of his campaign. Why would you ever be surprised by this?

[–]doesitannoyou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honest man does what he said he would do from day 1 big fucking surprise I know

[–]Touchmethere9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bernie has said from DAY 1 that he would endorse Hillary if it came down to it. I really don't understand where this surprise comes from. I'm all for not agreeing with his decision but to act surprised? Lmao cmon kiddies.

[–]reddit_aol_com 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So many bernie supporters went trump and trump is going to put in conservative justices when the time comes. I am solely voting for hillary as she would place left leaning justices. A vote for trump could seriously overturn some shit that should never be overturned.

Not a correct the record piece of shit, but trump wants to appeal to the trash of the USA, and that involves getting shit justices who think women are shit.

[–]IspankdADarthOnce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its funny.. And most idiots think socialist democratic or no (LOL I know right?) are for the "people"..

[–]NoMoreNicksLeftleave-me-the-fuck-alone-ist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

CAN'T fucking believe bernie endorsed hillary

What's unbelievable about it? Some used car salesmen talk you up, telling you what a hell of a deal they're about to give you, it's the most awesome thing ever. Others are humdrum "hey look buddy, I know it's not a Maserati, but it's not too horrible, I just want to be honest with ya".

Both are selling the same thing. Bernie's the same. He just has a different marketing strategy.

[–]riptide747 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? He's smart enough to know that Trump is worse than Hillary and by getting on her good side he can have more power to enact policies everyone who supports him want.

[–]ClockworkOnion -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

CAN'T fucking believe bernie endorsed hillary

REALLY? Sanders has been a Senator for over 30 years, anyone who thought he wasn't part of the establishment was rather dense to start with.

[–]fyeah11 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

he's a fucktard, isn't he?

[–]CoolSteveBrule 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope your summer reading is coming along nicely.

[–]NDIrish27Practicing None-Of-Your-Damn-Businessian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't? At the end of the day, job security is going to trump ideals for the vast majority of people. It's not like Vermont is ever going Republican, so as long as he keeps the DNC happy he's got a job for as long as he wants it.

[–]ReasonReaderHard Line Libertarian -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What in the world made you imagine that he wouldn't? Bernie is an apparatchik, first and foremost.

[–]urPenguinsRbelong2us -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

she must have paid the commie to do so.