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[–]TheMalkWeeaboo [スコア非表示]  (46子コメント)

Checkpoints are understandable in certain situations. Setting up a checkpoint when a fugitive is in the area, or when a child has been kidnapped, that's cool. Feel free to check my car for missing children. Hope you find the bastard.

But don't stop me just to ask if my license is expired.

NOTE: Due to the "reasonable suspicion" laws, if you do get stopped at a checkpoint you are within your rights to say "Am I being detained? I refuse to answer your questions. May I leave?" Sure you come off as an asshole, but it's your right to do so.

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"Am I being detained officer?"

[–]TheMalkWeeaboo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I was in law enforcement for several years and you'd be surprised how many people act just like this. I'd share more information but the downvoting tells me it's probably not wanted.

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I always love when people act like this. I mean, I've had some run-ins with law enforcement, but I was always civil and respectful and got off with warnings WAY more than I should have. Once I got a ticket for doing 120 when I got caught doing 150 (I'd have straight up lost my license on the spot for 140).

Any time someone's acting like this, I'm just expecting the officer to be like "Well, I was gonna let you off with a warning, but you're the kinda person that deserves this shit."

[–]TheMalkWeeaboo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As long as the officer and the driver are both civil, things should be fine. But if the officer tries abusing their power, asking to search your vehicle, asking you questions they have no business asking etc. Then by all means be an asshole and use your rights.

If an officer ever asks to search your vehicle you should ask them why they want to search it. If they can't come up with a good reason then tell them no.

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If an officer ever asks to search your vehicle you should ask them why they want to search it.

Never had an officer ask before, but I agree. It's not being an asshole to when the officer attempts to abuse his power. It's being an asshole when the officer has not expressed any intention of abusing his power and you simply assume the officer is going to try.

[–]ShoutJunction [スコア非表示]  (40子コメント)

We've got DUI checkpoints around here because the entire state is drunk as fuck. They help because drunk driving is a huge problem. You're free to take an alternate route and you know when there is going to be one because social media lets you know.

But people still complain and act like they're getting a finger up the butt.

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (35子コメント)

You're free to take an alternate route and you know when there is going to be one because social media lets you know.

So in other words, they're completely ineffective. Also not all checkpoints are for DWI, some of them are literally just to check your insurance and registration.

[–]gillandgolly [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Well, no, they are not completely ineffective.

We can probably all agree that a drunk driver is a danger to everyone else on the road. And that the drunker the driver, the more of a danger he is.

Some people are habitual drunk drivers, and they might have their wits about them enough to check social media for warnings about checkpoints. But some people just fuck up by underestimating their intoxication versus the limit, or by being emotional and "not giving a fuck about anything anymore" and getting behind the wheel even though they can barely stand up straight. Those people can be, and probably often are, caught in DWI checkpoints.

The "fuck everything, I don't care anymore" drunk driver is probably the most dangerous variant. And so the checkpoints might actually weed out some of the most dangerous drivers. Possibly. It's feasible, at least.

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

You're assigning a lot of planning to drunk driving and their responsiveness to a deterrent. Also not all checkpoints are for drunk drivers. Also drunk drivers that are the most dangerous are the ones who are already piss drunk by the time school lets out, that a checkpoint will never catch.

At this point I'm going to have to ask for some kind of numbers. You're just making logical conclusions based on presumptions, and we could go around all day like that loading presumptions into conclusions.

As I've said there are good arguments on both sides, if you really want to push your case, you're going to have to come up with some kind of hard fact.

[–]gillandgolly [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Sorry brah, I'm not gonna put any more effort in to this than you did. You've given your entirely idle speculation. I gave my entirely idle speculation. Good enough for me.

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Let me ask you one question

Do you think that insulin resistance comes from eating meat (which is not vegan) or sugar (which is vegan)?

[–]gillandgolly [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

I think that it comes from eating sugar. Why on earth do you ask?

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Because the guy I was arguing with claimed it came from eating meat, which is idiotic and was a cornerstone of the foundation of his argument of how a vegan diet is better.

[–]gillandgolly [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Are you sure you are in the right thread? We were talking about police checkpoints, not veganism and diet...

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Every checkpoint I've ever gone through has been civil. Effectively, if you're driving without insurance or registration that is a serious problem.

If you have no insurance and get in a car accident, you are FUCKED. Not even including what could happen to the other person. If you get rear ended, 100% the other guys fault, but you don't have insurance? You're the fucked one, not him. That's how that shit works.

I'd rather get a ticket or a "Your registration/license is going to expire soon, make sure you get that updated" rather than completely fucked over because I forgot.

If you're driving without a license it's possible you forgot to update, but it's also 100% possible it's someone who has had a bunch of DUI's and lost their license because they drive drunk all the time. Fuck those people.

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

The issue is more complex than just "Were the cops dicks". Of course they weren't dicks, they probably don't want to be there either.

They question is are they legal, should they be legal, and are the productive. Like I said, there are arguments on both sides, so being against checkpoints doesn't automatically disqualify someone as a rational player.

[–]attacker3Trump 2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think there was a supreme court ruling saying that they were legal...

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Fair enough, but I also only really see checkpoints during holiday weekends where I'm from. There's literally fifteen days of serious checkpoints. Other than that, I never hear about them other than one or two outside some of the club areas.

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

What constitutes "probable cause" likely varies alot depending on who is in charge of prosecution at the time.

In my hometown they were doing them for seatbelts and paperwork running warrants and other bullshit. That didn't last long. People got really mad really fast. Also they were putting them guess where to catch guess who.

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

running warrants and other bullshit.

How else you gonna find someone with warrants for their arrest?

[–]ClintHammerSmart Guy [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Let's put it this way. If you're playing an ends justifies the means card, why not do like we did in Iraq and lock down a whole block and go house to house checking for bad guys? Where does the line get drawn? I'm ambivalent about checkpoints, but mostly because while they do get guys with warrants, it feels a lot like the whole "If you don't have anything to hide..." argument.

[–]imissFPH [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

If you're playing an ends justifies the means card, why not do like we did in Iraq and lock down a whole block and go house to house checking for bad guys?

Because then you're going into peoples private property. That's the difference. If you're driving on a public roadway, you're already in public. You can roll up your tinted windows and expect the same privacy laws that exist for your home when you close the blinds. However, you are legally required to provide proof that you have a license and registration. They can do with that information as they please.

[–]TheMalkWeeaboo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's making everyone wait in line and waste their time on the off chance someone in the line might be drunk. I understand the need for checkpoints, but I also understand why it pisses people off.

It's the same deal with TSA. Everyone hates the strip search, the pat down, the questioning. But how many times have you been blown up in a plane? Must be working.

[–]ShoutJunction [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But how many times have you been blown up in a plane? Must be working.

At least for bombs, tons of other stuff gets past ALL the time like knives, drugs, and other items.

[–]TheMalkWeeaboo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Shhhh. The American people think they're safe. Don't discourage them.

[–]amphetaminesfailure [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We've got DUI checkpoints around here because the entire state is drunk as fuck. They help because drunk driving is a huge problem.

They don't help.

DUI checkpoints didn't really start becoming popular until after the 2000 federal law that set .08 as the national standard (down from .10). They were used, but not to the same extent they are today.

When your BAC is around .08 you're definitely impaired, but usually not impaired enough that that you'll be driving erratically enough to be noticed by police. So, law enforcement started utilizing sobriety checkpoints more often.

What happened though, is DUI related fatalities began to RISE after the year 2000 even though they had been on a steady decline for the 20 years prior.

Every cop who is manning a checkpoint is one less cop who is out doing rolling patrols and looking for seriously impaired drivers.

At the time the law was passed the average BAC in a DUI related fatality was .17. Two thirds were .14 or higher.

Drivers with a BAC of .01 to .03 are actually involved in more fatal accidents than drivers with a BAC of .08 to .10.

Checkpoints are completely ineffective at catching drunk drivers.

What they are effective at though is catching people with expired registrations, inspection stickers, licenses, etc.

Great way to increase revenue for the state, not a great way to keep the public safe.

Even if a politician wanted to make a change though most of the public isn't interested in understanding the facts when it comes to matters like this, and would vote him out office while screaming at him to "think of the children."