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[–]sloppyjoes7 -118ポイント-117ポイント-116ポイント 1ヶ月前 (74子コメント)
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
[–]snot_boogie1122 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Yep and hoping on Reddit as a blind stranger to poop on somebody is going to help them understand Christ's love.
[+]Nezaus スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18ポイント-17ポイント-16ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
those dumbass voyeuristic fuckheads at subredditdrama just shared this shitty post
[–]siccoblue 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
voyeuristic
Wew lad, I can promise you it's not a fetish
[–]evadcobra1 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 1ヶ月前 (8子コメント)
"Marriage is between people of the same race, that's the universal truth according to me & it will never change!"
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1ヶ月前 (7子コメント)
Marriage is between people of the same race
Completely unbiblical and unchristian. It was Christians like the Quakers who opposed poor treatment of blacks in the US. It was a Christian, William Wilberforce, who fought for equality in England. It was a Christian Reverend Martin Luther King Jr who fought for equal treatment under the law in the US. On and on it goes.
And as a multi-racial person myself, who knows that the Bible not only accepts multi-racial marriages, but explicitly allows it, I don't know why you'd bring that up. You're just throwing that accusation out, and hoping it sticks.
[–]OfTheAzureSky 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
Christians also founded the KKK. Big fucking deal.
[–]sloppyjoes7 -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 1ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
The KKK was founded by racists to promote white superiority, commit murder, and oppose Republicans who had just elected two black congressman. They were not Christians. It makes as much sense as saying that ISIS is Buddhist.
[–]OfTheAzureSky 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Nevermind that the KKK drew the majority of their "congregation" from the Protestant community and claimed to defend Christian values, especially during their heyday...
[–]Mughi 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
They were not Christians
Those darn true Scotsmen sure are pesky, aren't they?
[–]dreamstretch 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
The Quakers also championed gay marriage.
[–]Eieidl 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It was Christians like the Quakers who opposed poor treatment of blacks in the US. It was a Christian, William Wilberforce, who fought for equality in England.
The Quakers also campaigned for same-sex marriage in England. I remember one particularly odious Evangelical MP reacting by trying to smear them by talking about their pacifism during the Second World War.
Anyway, you're talking about stuff that happened in overwhelmingly Christian societies. Most things that happened in those societies were carried out by Christians, good and bad. Christians led the campaign to abolish slavery in the British Empire, but they also led the campaign to keep it - the Church of England actively supported and participated in slavery, for example.
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[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-36ポイント-35ポイント-34ポイント 1ヶ月前 (8子コメント)
My side can't lose.
For there is no one so great or mighty that he can avoid the misery that will rise up against him when he resists and strives against God
[–]ListenToTheStooges 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 1ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
Nobody cares about your invisible sky fairy, douche bag.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
There is no knowing that does not begin with knowing God.
― John Calvin
[–]ListenToTheStooges 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
[–]SocketPhys 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
And on towel day too!
[–]Lynx_Rufus 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Neat.
Maybe go be an asshole somewhere else though? Spewing your bronze-age hate isn't really wanted here, regardless of what a 16th-century French lawyer had to say about it.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
I've said nothing hateful.
regardless of what a 16th-century French lawyer had to say about it.
That's John Calvin, a very famous and respected theologian, who Calvin (& Hobbes) is named after. To dismiss him as a "French lawyer" just makes you seem superficial.
[–]dpiston 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前* (0子コメント)
"Sky eat mobek"
I can quote nonsense like you too!
[+]AlwaysBamboozled スコアが基準値未満のコメント-35ポイント-34ポイント-33ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
yeah but not really. in the end, they're still gay:-)
[–]ListenToTheStooges 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
And they're also married. And you're still a bigoted fucktard.
[–]Mic_Check_One_Two 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1ヶ月前* (2子コメント)
What about Romans 13:1-7?
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience...
Or Matthew 22:21's "Render unto Caesar" teaching?
These basically say "Man made the laws, and I made man. Therefore, I made the laws." And of course there are more opposing passages you can throw at me, but that's my entire point - The good book is FULL of opposing passages, and it's unethical to cherry-pick the ones that fit the worldview you already hold, while totally dismissing the others. Being a good christian is all about changing your daily life and views to fit the book; Not the other way around...
It's easy to try and force your personal beliefs on others when your beliefs are consistent... But when it's full of inconsistencies, it is simply wrong to try and force others to fit your mold of what a "good" person is, because that mold changes shape depending on who is looking at it. There are certain things that are constant throughout - Don't murder, don't steal, etc... But aside from that, nearly everything is up in the air.
[–]sloppyjoes7 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
The funny thing is the context of your question: The Pharisees asked Jesus that question as a trap. If he said to pay taxes, the Jews would hate him, and if he said don't pay taxes, the Romans would consider him their enemy. They tried to put Jesus in a no-win situation.
And now you asked me the same question.
I'll just say that by speaking out against the redefining of marriage, I am breaking no law.
[–]Mic_Check_One_Two 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It's not a no-win situation, really. He knew they would get taxed either way. Jesus simply said "By using Roman currency, we agree to Roman rule. Therefore, the Romans aren't wrong to tax us. There's no issue as long as God gets what belongs to Him as well." The Jews still got taxed - He simply gave them a reason to agree to it.
[–]raspberrykoolaid 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 1ヶ月前 (20子コメント)
Obviously not. Get over it already.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-42ポイント-41ポイント-40ポイント 1ヶ月前 (19子コメント)
Legislations don't trump universal truths.
[–]raspberrykoolaid 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 1ヶ月前 (14子コメント)
"Truth is considered to be universal if it is valid in all times and places".
Considering 55% of the US population and close to 70% of Canadians support same sex marriage, your statement is incorrect.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18ポイント-17ポイント-16ポイント 1ヶ月前 (13子コメント)
Truth doesn't bend to the wills of people. They're universal whether everybody or nobody believes it.
[–]raspberrykoolaid 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 1ヶ月前 (6子コメント)
That statement can be used against your argument just as much as for it. Live your life however you want, but don't impose it in others. Your bigotry is hateful, and should be kept to yourself.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 1ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
don't impose it in others.
I'm not the side who sought to redefine a cultural and religious institution using the force of law, thereby imposing my morality on others through the government.
[–]raspberrykoolaid 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 1ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Don't be ridiculous, nobody is being forced to get gay married.
[–]sloppyjoes7 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
I never said they were. I said they redefined a cultural and religious institution using the force of law.
[–]j8stereo 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Good.
[–]mwilke 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Were you just as pissed off when society redefined marriage to make women not the legal property of their husbands?
If a man rapes a woman these days, he can't just pay her dad fifty silver and marry her. That's definitely a redefinition of traditional marriage, as that rule came straight from the bible. Where's your outrage on that?
[–]ListenToTheStooges 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Oh, I'm sorry...are you being forced to marry a dude?
No?
Then shut the fuck up, you bigoted fucking cunt.
[–]sedef122 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 1ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
The only universal truth is death, marriage is some bullshit we came up with so we can decide to change the rules. If people want to spend their lives together who gives a fuck what gender they are? we should care because some old bullshit rules tell us to? we are not here for very long in the grand scheme of things so honestly as long as everyone is a consenting adult they should be able to do what they like and be happy, or are you against people being happy?
[–]Yoxiz 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Finally ! Thank you !
[–]sloppyjoes7 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 1ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
we should care because some old bullshit rules tell us to?
"This is why Paul upholds the teaching of the gospel in such a forceful way ... Seeing such an example and such a picture of man’s great weakness and fickleness, Paul states that the truth of the gospel must supersede anything that we may devise … he is showing us that we ought to know the substance of the doctrine which is brought to us in the name of God, so that our faith can be fully grounded upon it. Then we will not be tossed about with every wind, nor will we wander about aimlessly, changing our opinions a hundred times a day; we will persist in this doctrine until the end. This, in brief, is what we must remember."
[–]ListenToTheStooges 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Again...nobody cares about your invisible sky wizard. So fuck off.
[–]sedef122 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
So yes you are against people being happy, thanks
[–]ListenToTheStooges 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
The only "universal truth" I see around here is that you're a bigoted cunt.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Were the judgments of mankind correct, custom would be regulated by the good. But it is often far otherwise in point of fact; for, whatever the many are seen to do, forthwith obtains the force of custom. But human affairs have scarcely ever been so happily constituted as that the better course pleased the greater number. Hence the private vices of the multitude have generally resulted in public error, or rather that common consent in vice which these worthy men would have to be law.
-John Calvin
[–]ListenToTheStooges 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
TL:DR, you bigoted fucking cunt.
[–]mwilke 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1ヶ月前* (0子コメント)
If it's so universally true, why does God need you to go around telling everyone?
Isn't this all part of His plan? Doesn't He have a handle on it? Do you suppose that you will find someone who is unfamiliar with this universal truth, has never been informed that God Hates Fags (and how!) and will be transformed by seeing your dinky comment on an Internet message board?
What is your desired outcome from posting these comments?
[–]GeoGoddess 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
I thought nk you're confusing marriage with holy matrimony. Not the same at all.
[–]sloppyjoes7 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Different words to describe the same thing. There's this fad on reddit to try and pretend like they're different, and I remember when it became popular some time ago, but it's a silly argument. It's just a word game.
The reality is that marriage is a Judeo-Christian practice that goes back to the beginning of mankind. And sure, people with other beliefs practice it. And many governments codify it and make laws about it. But those are just as much "fads" as anything else because they cannot change or modify the truth.
[–]GeoGoddess 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
The truth is many people of the same sex ARE married in reality. Your opinions are not truth or reality and have no impact on the fact of these marriages, even though you dismiss them as fads. BTW, judeo-Christianity does not go back to the beginning of mankind. Anthropologically speaking, it's a relativey new fad.
[–]sloppyjoes7 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
BTW, judeo-Christianity does not go back to the beginning of mankind. Anthropologically speaking, it's a relativey new fad.
This is like telling an atheist "by the way, atheism is wrong, because God created the universe."
[–]j8stereo 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
The reality is that marriage is a Hindu practice that goes back to the beginning of mankind. And sure, people with other beliefs practice it. And many governments codify it and make laws about it. But those are just as much "fads" as anything else because they cannot change or modify the truth.
[–]GoogleRapperViperNow 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Obviously not, because there are plenty of men getting married to men this year. You're welcome to move to Saudi Arabia if you're not cool with that though.
[–]jambispot 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 1ヶ月前 (16子コメント)
It makes my heart hurt to think that you've procreated and are sharing your narrow minded views with your child/ren. I hope that one of them is gay and that you'll learn to love them still.
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 1ヶ月前 (15子コメント)
My children are being raised to believe in truth and love. Not to make up their own morality.
[–]ListenToTheStooges 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Your children are being raised to be bigoted cunts like you. How sad.
[–]skoolhouserock 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 1ヶ月前 (12子コメント)
The truth is that sometimes men love and want to marry other men.
Where does your morality come from?
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 1ヶ月前* (11子コメント)
Anybody can love whomever they want, but not all actions are moral.
Edit: I agree with John Calvin on most points, including where morality comes from.
[–]skoolhouserock 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 1ヶ月前 (10子コメント)
The OP seems to be really excited about starting a new part of his life with a person who seems to have the same interests. The image they chose for the invitation implies that they share a genuinely loving partnership.
What exactly is immoral about that? And since you don't make up your own morals, I'll ask again where you get these morals of yours?
[+]sloppyjoes7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1ヶ月前 (9子コメント)
Our true wisdom is to embrace with meek docility, and without reservation, whatever the holy scriptures have delivered.
- John Calvin
[–]skoolhouserock 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
If your morality comes from the bible, you are going to have a hard time convincing me that you are actually a moral person at all.
Anyway, the bible is a collection of books written by people. People existed before the bible existed, so how can you say that morality comes from the bible?
[–]sloppyjoes7 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Quite the opposite, in fact. "Without the fear of God, men do not even observe justice and charity among themselves." ― John Calvin
"Any man then who would profit by the Scriptures, must hold first of all and firmly that the teaching of the law and the prophets came to us not by the will of man, but as dictated by the Holy Spirit." ― John Calvin
[–]skoolhouserock 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Another Calvin quote. Great. If that meant anything to me, or if it stood up to even a basic questioning of its premis, or if you were John Calvin, it would be helpful in this discussion.
[–]jambispot 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
The bible also says not to eat seafood or pork. You're also not supposed to touch pork, so football is out. You're not supposed to wear any jewelry or clothing of different fabrics on top of one another, so a cotton shirt and leather vest is a ticket to hell. Women aren't supposed to speak in church... ever. If you over eat you're supposed to put a knife to your throat. You can't eat fat or blood, so cheeseburgers are out. You can't have a bowl shaped haircut. You can't work on Saturday. You can't trim your beard. You can't masturbate. You can't even think about anyone besides you spouse sexually. You can't dress sexy. You can't consult a psychic. You cant watch porn. You can't wear pearls. You can't gossip. If a man has sex with a women on her period, you're supposed to be chastised from the community. You can't have ripped jeans. You can't eat certain birds. You can't hold a grudge. You can't pet a dirty animal. You can't plant different types of seeds in the same garden. Are you getting the picture? If you're going to be so hellbent on following the scriptures, maybe you should be following all of them instead of what you pick and choose is bad. So what you're teaching your children is your own bigotry and not what the scriptures are teaching. Open your eyes and warm your heart. I'm sure God didn't put gay people on this earth for you to judge nor did he do it as a test of some kind. Love is love. The sooner you learn that the happier you will be.
I always find it interesting when a non Christian tries telling a Christian what Christians believe...
Just ignore the Abrahamic covenant, the coming of Jesus, his death on the cross, and his teachings, and your comment would start to make sense. I'd just have to ignore most of the Bible. It's as though you only read a list of things on /r/atheism and think that gives you the whole picture.
I mean, some stuff you mentioned (like seafood and pork) are explicitly allowed in the Bible, and you ignore it, and then pretend like I've never heard of these things. It's downright weird.
However you did get some parts right, like not gossiping or holding grudges. So I'll give you credit there. And Christians are called to love. But there's a difference between "love" and "doing what feels right to you."
[–]jambispot 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
If you'd like all the references from the bible I can provide them. They're all paraphrased quotes. I grew up Christian. I'm not an atheist. I just don't believe people should pick and choose their "morals" from an antiquated belief structure and then say it's from God. It's as if gods word can adapt and change on some issues but not on any other. I also don't appreciate when Christians dictate how I live my life and who I can and cannot marry because of their outdated beliefs.
[–]jambispot 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Love through the filter of an antiquated and selfish view of what the definition of love truly is. I pray if one of your children is gay that you will learn to love them for what they are and not for what you want then to be.
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