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Update on RHG Actions on the DAO (self.ethereum)

LefterisJP が 投稿

You may have noticed that the DAO is empty again. This was part of the Robin Hood Group actions. The RHG essentially did 3 things:

  1. Split with more tokens into Dark Dao #98 (0x4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a - https://live.ether.camp/account/4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a) The RHG now has a majority of tokens in that DAO.
  2. Split with more tokens into Dark DAO #101 (0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c - https://live.ether.camp/account/0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c) getting a little bit larger percentage than it previously had.
  3. Drained the rest of the ETH balance in The Main DAO in the most secure whitehat DAO, DAO #99 (0x84ef4b2357079cd7a7c69fd7a37cd0609a679106 - https://live.ether.camp/account/0x84ef4b2357079cd7a7c69fd7a37cd0609a679106)

This was part of the plan in case someone did try to attack the main DAO again, something which happened last night as you can see here: http://etherscan.io/tx/0x76389238ec21ced3679c052eb55b9fd8ab583eb5adb35f9406c27ddb331bbf47#internal

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[–]latetot 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

Nice work- can you comment on where things stand overall for RHG? I assume that the best outcome without a hardfork is that all funds remain in a stalemate with the attackers and no ETH is returned. Is there any indication that any of the ETH could be returned without a hardfork?

[–]LefterisJP[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think that a stalemate is the best outcome without a HF, yes.

[–]aakilfernandes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems that the whitehats have an incentive to maintain a stalemate (prevent the eth from going on the market) while the blackhat does not. Game theoretically, shouldn't the white hats be favored to win?

You could also use a commitment device, like a contract locked with 5k ether which could only be used for whitehat funds. That way any blackhat knows they'll have to burn 5k eth before even getting a chance of winning.

[–]BeastmodeBisky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indefinite stalemate with no fork would be a tremendous outcome for Ethereum imo.

Although I think it's safe to say much damage has been done already since it's been demonstrated that the community as a whole doesn't consider immutability a fundamental aspect of what gives Ethereum value as a technology. I'd still be very curious to see the long term market reaction to the hard fork that is likely to go through though. Short and long term market reactions will give us a lot of valuable information.

[–]smartbrowsering 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was part of the plan in case someone did try to attack the main DAO again, something which happened last night as you can see here: http://etherscan.io/tx/0x76389238ec21ced3679c052eb55b9fd8ab583eb5adb35f9406c27ddb331bbf47#internal

forgive my ignorance, how do I read that webpage to see the main DAO was attacked again? and how do you come to that evidence in the first place?

[–]x_ETHeREAL_x 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

A stalemate is the best case scenario when both sides act ideally for their interests. One side could concede or ether side could make a mistake and lose outright though.

[–]latetot 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good point and arguably attacker has much stronger incentive to win the splitting contests.

[–]wil611 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not sure that's true, the DTH whales who may be behind the Whitehats have a significant amount of ether on the line so also a strong incentive.

[–]symeof 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

A stalemate means they still cannot get it back without HF.

[–]textrapper 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

In a drawn out stalemate where the white hats can only prevent theft and the black hats could make multi-millions, it is possible that the black hats could eventually bribe the white hats to fail.

[–]therealtimcoulter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bribery could mean a technical ruin of the whole network. i.e., say the attacker uses that Ether to spam the network with transactions for years. Essentially it'd cause a DoS which, if the RHG has any stake in Ethereum itself, would make it against their best interest to be bribed or fail.

[–]BeastmodeBisky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can the black hats make multi-millions? Unless you mean they make the millions by bribing the white hats. But I think that's pretty unlikely seeing as how the white hats were perfectly capable of going black hat and taking money for themselves but didn't.

I guess things may change if the price of ETH reaches astronomical levels in the future or something like that though.

[–]therealtimcoulter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not in anyone's best interest for the Robin Hood group (or Ethereum as a whole) to concede as it allows the attacker a serious attack vector if they use that Ether to fill up the network with spam transactions. It may or may not be in the best interest of the attacker to concede in that there may be legal risks, etc., and who knows - the motivations of the attacker may have been an attempt to point out a flaw.

In any case, it's unlikely the RHG/Foundation will ever back down, and but it's possible the attacker might. So there's at least some solace there.

[–]smartbrowsering 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been out the loop how can I get the low down on all these groups and their actions, does the RHG have have like a message board or something. I'm clueless but curious

[–]nightcare 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no. Just when I shorted Ethereum on the market.

JK. Nice work. Yet, we are all waiting for the hard fork code prediction date. If the devs think they might not be able to deploy it in time (and that is fine - you tried and that was a really difficult job), I'd like to request they let the community know in advance. It would be the right thing to do.

[–]dallyshalla 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/im-not-a-criminal-daiwa-rogue-trader-who-lost-1-billion.html

Some words of wisdom I think people could benefit from, Thanks to whoever post it its very interest, even a book written.

[–]hermanmaas 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Interesting story, but what is the wisdom learned? cover your trading losses? Don't let anyone find out you have lost their investments because it's not criminal? Traders' mentality can turn into a sick mentality? Greed is bad?

[–]dallyshalla 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it has to do with when you go rogue, it's like quick sand. Once you're in it's hard to get out. This DAO thing is a quick sand and you can see every angle of tricks trying to be pulled off and you just hope the ends justify the means.

[–]GrifffGreeen 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

In the end hopefully none of it matters because there is a hard fork, the robin hood attacks seem more like a safety net in case there are issues implementing the hard fork protocol changes. But everything seems to be progressing well on that front.

[–]dallyshalla -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Some philosophical thought, what if the split maker has a good intentions. What if they are to make very positive projects with the funds they split off into their DAO?

Has this been considered or discussed? and perhaps reach out to see what their plans are as well?

[–]huntingisland 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pass the bong...

[–]goatonastik 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't this basically the concept behind free market? Assume the people with tons of money will do the right thing?

[–]BeastmodeBisky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess speaking in economic terms yes one might expect that given the amount of ETH they hold(and the interesting fact that they stopped well short of taking an amount that would be devastating), the rational thing to do might be to use it in a way to make the price of ETH grow and maximize the value of their holdings.

One only needs to look around them to see that humans are far from rational economic creatures for the most part.

[–]dallyshalla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

kind of like the dao?

[–]REPHolder 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

More drama.. top kek

[–]baddogesgotoheaven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keeps the crowds coming back for more :)

[–]busygin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you still need proposals #254 and #255 passed? If yes, it may need another gentle reminder for DTH to vote as they have less than 24 hrs left.

[–]Rhymeswithx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't followed the DAO War closely. How can we distinguish sub daos between Robin Hood vs dark?

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