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[–]LarsArcana 61ポイント62ポイント  (102子コメント)

I have a friend who is one of those pit bull crusaders and is adamant that pits are no different than any other dog. This friend's prize pit bull has now mauled and killed four animals that I know of, including fellow pets that lived and slept with the dog, just like this toddler.

This image makes me cringe, is what I'm saying.

Edit: You can downvote me all you want, it's not going to make me a liar, or bring back to life the animals that the dog has killed.

[–]thesixthamethyst 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

This makes me nervous too, but then it would with any large breed dogs. That's a lot of big dogs and one little baby. I'll admit, the pit bulls make me especially nervous too. I've done a ton of research on dog breeds, and looked at it from both point of views, and the bottom line is pit bulls are inherently more aggressive. Breed behavior has a lot to do with character traits that stem from their original breeding purpose - which was for bull baiting. I always find it interesting (and rather ignorant) that people say it's the owner, not the breed, when pit bulls display aggressive behavior. When I bought my collie, I read that they will sometimes herd children though they've never been trained or even used on a farm. Of course, when it's not a undesirable behavior, it's okay to point towards the nature of the breed, but if it's an aggressive pit bull it must be the owner. I'm not saying people shouldn't have such breeds, but at least be educated and in the know about what you're dealing with - and take proper safety precautions with any breed.

[–]PoopInMyBottom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes me more nervous to see a pit bull with a child because they account for something like 60% of all dog attacks.

[–]moeburn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

always find it interesting (and rather ignorant) that people say it's the owner, not the breed, when pit bulls display aggressive behavior.

I guess the ASPCA is just full of ignorant people, then:

http://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-breed-specific-legislation

[–]Pan_troglodytes -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do a bit of digging about their origins, mate. You might find it interesting. Being docile with people is deep in their lines. (I'm not being snarky btw, just making a suggestion)

[–]thesixthamethyst 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been a while, but I have researched their origins. What I wrote is the information I found regarding origins specifically, but I'd be interested to see where you found your information. Regardless, I really researched this from both view points and there are too many statistics to dispute. When I looked at information available defending pit bull attack statistics, the biggest defense was that the dog breed was misidentified. However, the offending breed was usually still a bully breed or bully breed mix. Another thing to note, was that most bully breed attacks resulted in death or maiming, whereas most other breeds resulted in only a bite. Most of the attacks were on infants or the elderly, which I also found fascinating (implying they are smart enough to know a weak target). Like I said, I researched this about 5 years ago when I got my dog, so I don't know how statistics have changed, but that was the information available at the time and it has led me to have a huge distrust for pit bulls and other bully breeds. I think it's fair to say I've looked into this far enough to warrant my opinion.

[–]Pan_troglodytes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A "bully breed mix"? That's basically a mongrel. Are we at the stage now where we pin all bites or aggression from unknown breeds or mongrels on bull breeds?

It's unhelpful to think that way IMO.

Also, would you mind sharing your irrefutable statistics, please? Because the CDC has stated that usable data is virtually impossible to compile (for multiple reasons), and they have plenty of resources. Which leads me to believe that blogs and other sites who claim to have data are either lying or using ridiculous parameters.

[–]kalimashookdeday 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

This friend's prize pit bull has now mauled and killed four animals that I know of, including fellow pets that lived and slept with the dog, just like this toddler.

Interesting enough, after 4 maulings not a single authority has been called???

[–]rory2013 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because OP is full of shit

[–]tritis 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

My cousin's pit shredded the family cat after living with it for years, ever since she was a puppy. The cat was just walking past in the kitchen one day and the pit attacked. So long kitty. Despite what the "Bad owner; bad training" people will have you believe, you don't have much time to retrain a bad behavior out of a dog when that behavior is mauling something to pulp in 20 seconds.

[–]divisibleby5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe they live in a rural area? i recall kids in my small twn growing up getting mauled and the local deputy deg being like 'i didn't see it happen s i can't d anything'

[–]cloud_watcher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt it. Many pits, even when they're nice to people, are aggressive to other animals. Many of them were bred to be.

[–]SmarchHare 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why call the authorities when you can post about it on Reddit?

[–]LarsArcana 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three of them were fellow pets in the house, and she's not going to rat on her own pride and joy.

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    [–]gauderio 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You would expect that they would protect you, but sometimes they get confused. This woman was robbed and her pitbull killed her.

    [–]TotallyNotHitler 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy SHIT.

    [–]Ahhuatl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for this. Dogs are animals and just like any animal they can be dangerous. To simply forget this and put your child in a pile of dogs that could easily tear it to shreds is extremely irresponsible. I hope these people get a visit from Child Services.

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      [–]Throwawaymyheart01 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pitbulls are not bad but they are incredibly strong and tenacious. As with all terriers, they can be wary of strangers, humans and dogs alike, and this can lead to aggression if not well trained, no different than a bitey yappy yorkie terrier. Except a pitbull is much stronger than a yorkie.

      Fewer people should own pitbulls. You have to be committed to the dog's mental and physical need for training and exercise and the average family is better suited for retrievers or basset hounds or something rather than pitbulls. I know a lot of excellent pitbull owners but I know a lot of bad ones.

      Dogs are not all the same. A dog is not a dog equivalently. Some breeds require more work than others.

      [–]alflup 45ポイント46ポイント  (21子コメント)

      It's almost as if you can have good dogs and bad dogs no matter the breed.

      [–]TeamLiveBadass_ 30ポイント31ポイント  (10子コメント)

      100% true, the difference is one bite on the toddlers skull will probably kill it with a pit, and a smaller dog will maim/disfigure/eventually kill the toddler.

      I'm a big dog owner and I definitely believe training mitigates these types of things but to dispute the raw power is idiotic.

      [–]PoopInMyBottom 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Why are people evading the obvious point that pits are more likely to have the temperament to do it too? It's not just how strong they are.

      [–]DaneGleesac 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Actually not true. According to this temperament study pitbulls are ranked very high.

      86.8% http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

      Higher than Collies at 80% http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page3/

      Look at dachshunds, ranging from 67-90% Standard poodles at 86.6%

      So no, they have a better temperament than the average through these tests - 83%

      [–]KevinUxbridge 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're not allowed to recognise that besides having a look (more or less) specific to the breed, dog breeds also exhibit behaviours (more or less) specific to the breed.

      [–]koko4kaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because it's the same people who think a dog is a fashion/lifestyle accessory, and want to have it both ways; they want the looks of the breed, without having to go through the trouble of regarding the reality of the breed.

      [–]AskMeToCallYouABitch 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Exactly. I don't try to debate that a pit bull or a rottweiler doesn't possess the tools to do more harm than a retriever or a terrier, but if it has been properly trained/socialised the dog it should never even become a factor since the dog won't be prone to attacking anyone. Some of the friendliest, most harmless dogs I've ever met have been properly trained bigger dogs who wouldn't hurt a fly.

      [–]TeamLiveBadass_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The key aspect is mitigation though, they are still and always will be animals who can be triggered. We can reduce it through training, but should never ignore what they are.

      [–]Cocklikeacokecan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      In my experience of dogs and their owners, big dog owners tend to take their dogs behaviour more seriously and as a result the dog becomes calmer and less inclined to attacking people.

      For example when someone has a chihuahua even if their otherwise responsible owner will laugh at or encourage any angry or aggressive behaviour because it's not intimidating or they think it's cute that their dog "thinks hes a rottweiler".

      When you have an actual rottweiler your very aware that the exact same behaviour seen in the chihuahua is suddenly terrifying and potential for danger is exponentially increased. As a result the bigger the dog the more likely the owner is to shut down any potential aggression before the dog starts thinking it's acceptable.

      Obviously that's anecdotal and there are exceptions, but I think that sort of subconsciously behaviour results in big dogs generally being more passive even if the owners are shitty.

      [–]TeamLiveBadass_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have seen this multiple times with small dog owners as well, so I can anecdotally confirm your anecdote.

      [–]LackofGravitaz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There you go - this is the comment I would have made, but you got there first.

      [–]wiscowonder 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Yea, remember when that golden retriever mauled those people in Brooklyn?

      Yea, neither do i..

      [–]PacificNW0119 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

      That is because it happened in South Carolina....

      [–]vdubyoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Article says it was a mix. Look up golden retriever pitbull mix, looks pretty similar

      [–]Roughcaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      "The baby was in a swing when Lucky, a golden retriever-Labrador mix, bit the child several times and tore off his legs"

      holy fuck

      [–]roundaboot_ca 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      LIES! We all know it's only French Bulldogs in Brooklyn.

      [–]Aedalas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I refuse to believe this, there just simply is no such thing as a good Chihuahua. If those evil bastards were any bigger they'd have conquered earth by now.

      [–]Boroj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't think anyone is disputing that, however, some breeds are bound to have a larger share of bad dogs. Also, there's a big difference between a bad 40 kg dog and a bad 5 kg dog in terms of the damage they can do.

      [–]rushur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      all dogs bite. some don't let go.

      [–]IDKSomeFuckingGuy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Impossible!

      [–]PoopInMyBottom -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I see people who are those "white tigers are pretty likely to kill you, regardless of how they were raised" crusaders and are adamant they're pure, concentrated evil.

      Insert smartass response about how because some pits never flip, we shouldn't be wary.

      [–]A_Turkey_Named_Jive -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep, just misunderstood.

      Here's a 'misunderstood' dog brutally mauling a man, leaving him dying in a massive pool of his own blood: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=69f_1327285704

      Here's another 'misunderstood' dog doing the same to a 58 year old woman: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1382129917

      Here's another 'misunderstood' dog brutalising 9 people at a gas station: http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/05/24/crazed-pit-bull-attacks-and-injures-9-people-in-thessaloniki-video/

      Here's a 'misunderstood' dog brutalising another dog while a group of people kick the shit out of it and fail to remove it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBCSLWIeexU

      Here's a 'misunderstood' dog mauling a child:

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dfb_1409100560&comments=1

      Here's a 'misunderstood' dog mauling a cat to death:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znUBNtHrJnY

      Here's a 'misunderstood' dog mauling a 4 year old boy:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmW4BBdi1s

      Here's two 'misunderstood' dogs mauling a 6 year old girl:

      http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/westwood/pit-bulls-mauling-6-year-old-girl-caught-on-cruiser-cam-video

      "Family Pit Bull kills child" http://www.cbs46.com/story/22066382/toddler-dies-after-pit-bull-attack

      http://www.daxtonsfriends.com/kara-hartrich-bloomington-illinois-pit-bull/

      http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/baby-killed-by-familys-pit-bull-in-red-bird.html/

      http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/parents-charged-in-dog-attack-that-killed-st-charles-county/article_1c5954bc-95a5-5464-81d4-9fa3e793549b.html

      www.gainesville.com/article/20140808/ARTICLES/140809579?Title=Levy-officials-release-name-of-boy-killed-in-dog-attack

      http://www.wafb.com/story/25123147/pit-bull-kills-3-year-old

      http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/local/2014/04/11/no-steroids-found-in-second-dog-at-fatal-attack-police-say/7601473/

      http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/02/27/braelynn-coulter-mauled-death-pit-bull

      http://abc7news.com/archive/9146468/

      http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/father-toddler-killed-familys-pit-bull-offers-warn/nXzwd/

      http://www.bryancountynews.com/archives/26454/

      http://hamptonroads.com/2012/09/dog-killed-nc-boy-euthanized-charges-possible

      http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2012/jun/19/mother-grieves-after-babys-fatal-dog-bite/

      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YLdZGzviUFQJ:www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/05/18/Infant-dies-after-attack-from-family-dog.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

      http://www.kvia.com/news/Only-On-ABC-7-Family-Of-Baby-Killed-Speaks-From-The-Scene-Of-Pit-Bull-Attack/15242478

      Dog Attack Fatalities in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2015 American Kennel club recognises 157 dog breeds

      2015 - 5 reported U.S. fatalities 2 by Pit Bulls: The man died after suffering bites to his head and left arm from his son's dog. He was taking down a Christmas tree when the dog attacked him.

      This man was killed while trying to resuscitate the dog's owner from a heart attack. The pit bull was not registered with the city, despite ordinance requiring all pit bulls in the city be registered. Both men were pronounced dead at a local hospital

      1 by Rottweiler, 1 by 'Pack of wild dogs', and 1 unknown. 2014 – 32 reported U.S. fatalities – 20 (62%) were Pit Bulls – all other by 6 breeds

      2013 – 32 Reported – 26 (81%) were Pit Bulls – all other by 5 breeds

      2012 – 35 reported – 19 (54%) were Pit Bulls – all other by 5 breeds

      2011 – 33 reported – 20 (60%) were Pit bulls – all other by 4 breeds

      A nine-year (1979–88) study of fatal dog attacks in the United States found that dogs characterized as pit bulls were implicated in 42 of the 101 attacks where the breed was known

      A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds. A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.

      Pit Bull Legal Status

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation#Worldwide

      Australia: ban against importation

      Brazil: Banned for importation, commercialization, breeding and unauthorized creation

      Bermuda: Banned

      Denmark: Banned

      Ecuador: Banned

      France: Restricted, non-pure breeds must be spayed/neutured

      Germany: Restricted importation

      ROI: Restricted - must be muzzled in public, can be destroyed if not controlled by owner

      Malaysia: Pure PB Banned/some breeds allowed

      Malta: Banned from importation

      New Zealand: It is illegal to import them alive or as semen, ova, or embryos, must be chipped and spayed, must be muzzled in public

      Norway: Banned Poland: restricted (must display clear signs of ownership at home)

      [–]Krellous 9ポイント10ポイント  (20子コメント)

      Your friend clearly doesn't know how to raise animals. Every pit bull I've met has been friendly and good natured. But like any other domesticated animal, they need to be in the care of people who know what they're doing.

      [–]pipboy_warrior 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your personal experience alone doesn't mean that every dog's behavior can be determined solely by good training. It's definitely a factor but there are exceptions to every rule, just like with how a person can be an asshole even if they've had good parents that did everything right.

      [–]laurenpizza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have seen 'friendly and good natured' pit bulls who snap, completely unprovoked. For instance, one docile, sweet family pit bull that suddenly snapped at a toddler minding her own business by picking her up by the neck and trying to kill her. Just because your pit bull is sweet 99% of the time, it is ignorant to ignore aggression in their breeding because lots of 'sweet' pit bulls can snap and they often give less warning than other large breeds.

      [–]ncopp 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I do wonder if these are rescued fighting dogs due to their clipped ears. Because if so, they could be dangerous if they were raised in that environment, if they aren't ex-fighting dogs, then they would have the same tendency as any other dog to snap one day. Shit happens that we can't predict. Our neigbors lab bit a girl and that dog was normally the sweetest dog. But none the less, anyone who says all pits are killing machines might as well say all black people are criminals... its just simply not true

      [–]Grampa_Magee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well....Pit Bulls were originally bred to demolish their opponents while being docile with people. However, the docility with people has been bred out, now you have a bunch of unstable animals.

      Just like a Collie will want to herd, a Pit will be tenacious. Being blind to that fact isn't helping the breed, which is why soft hearted morons keep letting their dogs hurt people.

      [–]gm918 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      When I was growing up we lived in the country and had a small chipping area over a pond. I was probably 12 outside with my dad and our yellow lab buddy practicing my short game. The neighbors house was probably 250 yards away and they had a 10 month old pit who had been outside tied up since day one. Somehow that day the pit got out ran straight at us and latched on to my lab and went to town. My dad hit the pit on the head multiple times with a 9 iron and the dog didn't release till the owners grabbed it. Pretty horrifying for a kid. I've had friends with shitty pits and some good ones. I own a GSD and she grew up on our ranch so she's pretty wild loves dogs but will just go crazy and try to eat cats. She grew up chasing critters all over the place so I feel bad for the kitties. Sorry for the ramble.

      Edit: forgot to add turns out neighbors dog was being trained to fight they ended up in trouble with the law.

      [–]gotBooched -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      apparently you've never met a pit that was raised to kill / fight

      [–]AskMeToCallYouABitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That what be classified under the "doesn't know how to raise animals" category that the person you responded to was talking about. Shitty owner = shitty dog. Properly train and socialise a pitbull and it will likely be better behaved and safer than any untrained dogs that are normally considered "friendly" breeds.

      [–]MetalKeirSolid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is why they're banned in the UK.

      [–]loblollyboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dude you're too late - the thread about stats nobody wants to hear was yesterday

      [–]MBrebis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      A lot of pit bulls have strong prey drives, no matter how they're raised, like many other breeds. That doesn't make them any more or less likely to be aggressive to humans though. You can train a dog to not act on it's instincts, to an extent, but letting that dog have free access to other animals is moronic. You also shouldn't leave your greyhound with your pet rabbits, or your terrier with your pet rats.

      [–]vdubyoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A lot of pit bulls have strong prey drives, no matter how they're raised, like many other breeds. That doesn't make them any more or less likely to be aggressive to humans though.

      Wrong. A small child such as this running by the dog, screeching like how children do, triggers the prey drive in the pitbull to attack. Then we always hear "it was the family dog, it's never done anything like this before!"

      [–]Korith_Eaglecry -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm willing to bet your friend is imaginary.

      [–]FFX01 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Every pit bull I've met has been a total wuss. I don't know where all these aggressive pitbulls are coming from.

      [–]fanamana -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Working with a kennel once a week for 13 years has led me to believe that it is a problem specific to Pit Bull owners.

      Why do Pitties fill up the shelters in such numbers.

      Why is it that when the Sheriff Dpt remands a dog to the shelter because the owner is in the clink, it's usually a pitbull.

      Shitheads get Pitbulls.

      If you are a well adjusted, responsible Pit owner, I'm not talking about you, but likely your dogs 1st owner before you rescued it.

      [–]AskMeToCallYouABitch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your friend must be a fucking terrible dog owner then. I've met plenty of shitty pitbulls/rottweilers with shitty owners to match them, and I've met lots with great owners that when properly trained can be some of the friendliest dogs you'll ever meet. My family used to own a rottweiler that was the sweetest dog you'll ever meet since he was properly trained by my stepdad who trained dogs for the military, and that dog wouldn't hurt a fly even if you actively tried to provoke him. The same goes for the reverse, I've seen many dogs of what are generally considered "friendly" breeds that won't hesitate to flip out and attack another dog/person. It really comes down to learning how to properly train and socialise your pet.