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[–]spoofexKing Cantona 99ポイント100ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ronaldo lived, breathed and kicked every ball from that touchline. Was like watching Fergie, including the wrist tap for time wasting.

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 35ポイント36ポイント  (7子コメント)

Nani was fucking amazing too to be fair.

Impressed with Joao Mario and Carvalho too, as well as the whole of Portugal's defence.

[–]TheJoshider10De Gea 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hate Pepe so much due to his diving antics, but he is an absolutely quality defender. It's like this style of defensive play matches perfectly for him.

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely, especially considering the fullbacks Portugal use are hardly defensive.

Pepe/Fonte/Patricio deserve huge credit.

[–]rdzzlPowell 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My feelings exactly. I've build up (perhaps an) irrational hate for both Pepe and Ramos for how they play really rough and dirty but fall over like little girls whenever touched in order to get someone sent off. That said, I can't deny Pepe being one of the best players of the tournament, and especially in the final. He was outstanding.

[–]ThermoLogic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he's no Ragnar Sigurðsson, but he's ok I guess....

[–]thenewsdidthis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

very impressive during this tournament

[–]lazyassedartistTier -1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Joao Mario was fucking amazing, work rate through the roof and most people have been calling him overrated but he's better through the middle not out wide. Same with Pogba, who the fuck in their right mind plays one of the most talented attacking midfielders in the world as a pivot? Fucking ridiculous

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Joao Mario was absolutely everywhere.

Hugely impressed by him, it's a shame (but not surprising) that Sporting want so much for him. He seems right up Mourinho's street.

[–]zxLvDavid Beckham 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Love his passion. Can see him being a great manager in the future.

[–]unitedfeverSchweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not wrong, passion means something. However, showing passion on the touchline for the final 10 minutes of a game doesn't necessarily point towards him being a great manager.

[–]thenewsdidthis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the passion he has is exactly whats missing from the England team

[–]pcaming 52ポイント53ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nani was very good this tournament.

[–]FURyannnnScholes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Put in a good shift tonight too. Looked very positive and worked his ass off defending.

[–]peduxeAnder Free Herrera Agüera 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nani renegaded himself for this tournament, hats off to him.

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 40ポイント41ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fuck Deschamps. He has Pogba playing too deep also.

[–]RedDevilAndy 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah wtf, Pogba was playing DM.

[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, Pogba didn't do much today, but he really was sitting deep.

[–]Mayo4SamHard to believe its not Scholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Completely shackled him making him play 6/DM. Sissoko was good but Kante should of been ahead of him and let pogba play his game at 8. Also not bring Martial on till so late was rediculous.

[–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also why was Sissoko playing instead of Kante? They look much better in the midfield with Kante playing behind Pogba and Matuidi, which explains why Pogba was dropping deep.

Wasting Pogba's attacking talents when you ask him to defend more and trust Sissoko of all players to take his role.

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

tbf Sissoko was an absolute machine in the first half. I think he didn't know how to fit Kante into the team. Even though he started the tournament with him.

[–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the issue is that they originally wanted to play Diarra behind and since he got injured they replaced him with Kante instead. However Kante didn't really fit like Diarra did so he got dropped and instead of playing with a DM like Schneiderlin or Cabye, they played a flat 3 midfield with Pogba and Matuidi dropping deep to cover the CB's.

The only problem with that is while Pogba/Matuidi can defend, they are much better further forward as box-to-box midfielders with a DM behind or paired with a DM. Since France were not playing with a DM, it meant Pogba dropped deeper which doesn't really utilize his talents properly. Matuidi didn't drop deep enough which meant Pogba had to, when I think Matuidi should of been the one to go deep more.

[–]syedwajeeehRASHFORD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that Sissoko had a great game. But surely if you play Kante where Pogba was playing and then Pogba where Sissoko was playing a player of Pogbas talents would've had a greater impact on the game than Sissoko

[–]weeb2k1Manchester United 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sissoko was one of the better players for France tonight.

edit: drunk me didn't comprehend your post. Yes, Sissoko played ok, but that doesn't mean it was the best tactical decision.

[–]badgarok725SAF -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They definitely did not look better when Kante was there. Every pundit seemed in agreement with it too, and Sissoko always put in a good shift when he played. He honestly was better than Pogba or Matuidi at times

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pogba was more or less invisible the entire game.

[–]zxLvDavid Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The entire tournament to be honest. Good thing is it would make our €120m offer to Juventus the all more enticing.

[–]devilgroveMartial 139ポイント140ポイント  (38子コメント)

Fuck Deschamps for not putting Martial in until it was too late. But I'm glad Ronaldo and Nani finally got the international title they deserve.

[–]WaxTaxMax 42ポイント43ポイント  (10子コメント)

Fucking cunt is what he is. Should have put Martial way early, what is he going to do in 10 minutes when you've barely given him a chance this tournament? Ridiculous.

[–]HollowAtso 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Martial was France's poster boy as well and he barley even played.

[–]MyWholeTeamsDeadDavid de Wall 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nah, that was mainly Griezzman.

[–]In_a_stem_cell 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And pogba

[–]TudoorsScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who was the worst player on the pitch this game. After he missed that header he was completely useless, and even before then he was quite ineffective. Really, really disappointing display by him.

[–]MyWholeTeamsDeadDavid de Wall -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. He didn't seem threatening at all.

[–]badgarok725SAF 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Admittedly he was poor in his first game, but it was crazy that he didn't really see any time after that. Granted, it did work for them until today, but I thought it was strange that he always brought on Gignac instead

[–]IchDienMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Martial was taken as a LW, not a CF and not both considering Gignac was there. he was rather poor in both his regular appearances at the tournament and has not yet scored despite having 7(?) 11 senior caps. It's a month to forget for him.

[–]unitedfeverSchweinsteiger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least he made good beer.

[–]lordmaximus92Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Don't know what Dechamps was thinking with Gignac, he's proven in every game he played that he's a fucking donkey, and they bring him on and, WHAT A SURPRISE! He's a fucking donkey. Awful first touch. Martial doesn't have the height but he still would have made a far better lone forward.

[–]PenPaperShotgun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A little over the top reaction to a man that just got his team to the finals

[–]tothecatmobile 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Left it until the last minutes to put Martial on, and kept Pogba playing a deep role for pretty much all of the match.

A terrible match from Deschamps.

[–]play365123Jose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Played Pogba too deep for this tournament, Matuidi offered nothing to their attack. What a waste of talent

[–]arnm7890De Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This game proved why Matuidi should definitely NOT be our backup if we don't get Pogba

[–]HillClimbRacer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stuff Matuidi, develop Morgan.

[–]tothecatmobile 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First couple of games he wasn't as deep as he was tonight, but Deschamps seemed to want to play a midfield made entirely of box-to-box players.

Obviously didn't work.

[–]ironmakesusplay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

he was clearly outcoached

[–]amishbr07 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The knobhead only had like three planned subs he would always make. Coman then Gignac and maybe Martial late. Absolute idiot and should bear the full blame for that loss.

[–]shtzkriegMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I really thought he was going to put that volley into the back of the net. Coman was pretty bad especially considering deschamps took out France's best player to get him on. Coman doesn't know how to pass and doesn't bring much besides pace, at least at this point in his career. If there are fingers to point in France, deschamps should be target number one.

[–]scholeszzSchweinsteiger 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Coman looked much more threatening than Payet. Let's not have the narrative blind us, Payet had a pretty dull game.

[–]AnIntoxicatedRodent 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Coman was absolutely awful. Not that Payet was good, but Coman lost the ball so many times I stopped keeping track after the 90 minutes.

[–]scholeszzSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying Coman was great, but he created 2-3 good chances including Griezmann's header. He was much better than Payet in this game.

[–]shtzkriegMartial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's less about what he did than the fact of what it does to the team. Deschamps tried to push griezemann back into more of a 10 role which is just a waste of talent, but it didn't matter because he drifted forward anyways leaving France with a 424 with coman gignac and sissoko being the primary outlets. Not only that, it left France's midfield exposed. You can't ask pogba and matuidi to hold a midfield of Portugal's quality in check.

As for coman specifically, the kid has talent, but I think it's pretty apparent he wasn't ready for a stage quite this large. He provided a nice spark when he came on, but after about 15 minutes Portugal adapted and Coman didn't have an answer. The number of times he opted to take on a defender instead of passing was ridiculous. He would be surrounded by 3 defenders and still ignore others making runs in front of him. I think coman has a lot of potential, but way too many people don't realize there's a difference between potential and production.

[–]scholeszzSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do people downvote everything here?

Having said that, I disagree with most of what you said. The french didn't have problems in dominating midfield, it was the wide areas and the final third where they were lacking. And Griezmann has been playing in and around the striker for the second half of the tournament. The same system worked pretty well before, so not sure what your point is.

Your second paragraph makes very little sense. Sure Coman is young and not proven, but so is Martial, there's no evidence that one is better than the other based on these tournament's performances.

Would I have liked seeing Martial? Sure, but only because I'm a biased United supporter. It's easy to criticize a national team coach for his selection after a loss. To be fair to him, it was a tight game, France created a few really good chances, just didn't finish them. I don't blame Deschamps at all.

[–]shtzkriegMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The french didn't have problems in dominating midfield

Really? You'll notice sissoko gignac and griezzman are in their own half pressing portugal's midfield as pogba sits there putting in his trademark defensive effort. I would ask, where is matuidi in a situation like this, but the answer is he's covering half the field because france only have two midfielders. On top of that, look how far out kosc has to come to meet eder. If payet is on he can cover wide and matuidi could drift in to stop eder with ease.

Now if you're talking before coman came on, yes, france was dominant in the midfield and portugal struggled to hold onto the ball, but after that portugal started to get more and more time on the ball because you simply can't expect two midfielders, no matter how talented, to have the endurance to hold the midfield that long. Deschamps gambled by going for a goal, france didn't get it and portugal pounced when france was tired. I understand the risk, but it's not like the french players weren't putting in the effort. Responsibility needs to fall almost entirely on deschamps.

The same system worked pretty well before, so not sure what your point is.

The point is it didn't work. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about that. Griezmann couldn't fill the hole payet left, and it took him farther from goal. It's a tactical collapse, and once again, deschamps is responsible.

As for Martial, I didn't suggest he needed to come on. I don't think he or coman did. France was fine and deschamps completely changed the formation in an attempt to take control of the game and put it to bed before extra time. They didn't. And yet again, I'm looking at deschamps.

[–]Takley 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truly awful by Deschamps not to play Martial until that late

But Ronaldo has a soft spot for me so i'm happy fore him

[–]BigCheeserKeano 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

Feel bad for Evra. Four CL final losses and now and Now a Euro final loss

[–]MyWholeTeamsDeadDavid de Wall 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much rules out an international trophy for him :(

[–]Sabu113Nani 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

TBF he's gone to an insane number of finals.

[–]wallpaper_01Giggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he has won the CL with us so don't really feel bad for him.

[–]rajathagasthyaScholes 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Euro and champions league victories for Ronaldo. What a great year he's had!

[–]QuicktimeSamRojo 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so happy for Ronaldo. I'll always love the man and seeing him lift the trophy will spark memories of Moscow. We miss you, Ronnie!

[–]HillClimbRacer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a lock for the Ballon dor after winning the 2 biggest trophies this year.

[–]XixakMartial 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Serves France right for putting King Martial on the bench for the entire tournament basically.

[–]mu_37 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

smh can't believe you forgot to congratulate the manager lads

[–]cursetYoung -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He wasn't involved though...

[–]TheReplacerUnited We Stand 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Deschamps sounds like shit manger to me.

[–]drivinganindievanScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a shit manager indeed

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is. His substitutions were so predictable throughout the tournament. His man management is terrible.

[–]OldTimePCGamer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck Deschamps. AM got slated for the way he played in his last match and Deschamps dropped him since. As soon as Portugal score, he throws Tony on to be seen as some kind of hero in the last 8 minutes, which is never going to happen as the rest of the French team were fucked. He set him up again for another slating the prick. His man management is wank. I'm with King Eric, Deschamp is a shit manager.

[–]HillClimbRacer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giroud and his sub were horseshit, would it really have been that hard to bring Benzema along?

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

CAMPEÕES CAMPEÕES, NÓS SOMOS CAMPEÕES!!!!!

Portuguese red devil, absolutely over the moon right now!!

[–]arron77 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

VIVA RONALDO

[–]girth_worm_jim 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reckon that loss could wipe £10m off Pogzie. Joking but at the same time curious if he'd have gone up in value if France won??

[–]peduxeAnder Free Herrera Agüera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course it would.

[–]Bacon_BoobiesSmoked Rashers 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So thrilled for Ronnie, from crying after the injury to urging his team on on the sidelines to tears of joy at the end, what a rollercoaster of emotions.

[–]F90Giggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get motivated, Mourinho.

[–]selotipkusutMartial 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gutted for Tony & Evra, delighted for Ronnie & Nani.

Fuck off Payet you scum.

[–]DP112Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deschamps' teeth though, as strong as his tactics

[–]BlueArtisteShaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evra crying at the end got me. Standing still with tears flowing. Is this his last tournament? France and him really deserved a title.

[–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

*Annoyed that Martial didn't get more playing time, even though he hasn't been great, it is hard to impress with 5/10 minute cameos. Similar to Hodgson and not playing Rashford. Not saying Martial would of won the game or whatever, but he has stepped up multiple times for us this season so no reason why he can't do the same for France if he was given the chance.

Also, congrats to Nani and especially Ronaldo. I was upset that he had to come off and seeing him cry but I am so happy he has won. I think the Ballon D'or is his for sure this year and thoroughly deserved.

*edit - got pissed off with /r/soccer and Martial not getting enough time on the pitch.

[–]fakeplasticairbag -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ronaldo didn't play well at all this tournament though. Portugal looked better and more balanced without him in some ways

[–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I agree that he hasn't been at his best, but not through a lack of trying. He could of easily had 5/6 goals this tournament as well. I think they look more balanced as most of their plays go through Ronaldo when he's on, otherwise their plays vary.

But he still did his part as captain and has stepped up during the many penalty shootouts they had, which is still no easy feet.

[–]wakey87433Mata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is them playing Ronaldo and Nani as Strikers. The balance would have been better with one either side of Eder as Eder is strong, occupies defenders and can bring others into play which is ideal for both of those two players

[–]Sabu113Nani 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very Happy for both.

Any thoughts on Pogba's influence? Or praise for discipline?

[–]_Mayama_Teitoku 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was wasted at defensive midfield.

[–]cptainvimesDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking happy for Nani. I love this guy so much more than Ronaldo.

[–]drivinganindievanScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking Deschamps, gutless manager.

[–]Old_man_Trafford 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

also Juve, Pogba is now 75% off.

[–]qdatk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last seen speeding away from the stadium ...

[–]FrenchMancMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wake me up inside

[–]mufcirclejerk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks mate. We're delighted.

[–]TheAnxiousCommunist -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Carvalho played a great game at halfback. His off the ball movement was fucking fantastic.

[–]xLoafery -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boooooooo