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[UK] Car driver deliberately runs over motorcyclists foot (youtu.be)

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[–]philmoskowitz -73ポイント-72ポイント  (92子コメント)

Lane splitting does more to make people hate bikers than any other act. It should never be legal anywhere in any country. That said, that guy is a lunatic and deserves a visit from the police.

[–]Robospanker 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've always been under the impression that filtering is safer for a motorcyclist than risking getting rear ended and helps to minimise traffic congestion. The fact that some people can't control their emotions adequately shouldn't have any bearing on the legality of it.

[–]chillyfeets 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're correct. It's much safer for them to filter through. It's legal where I live (only in low speed) and I'll always leave a little room if I see someone filtering. I have no issue with a motorcyclist being in the front of the queue if it means they're in front of me and safe.

Unfortunately you have twats like the one in the video who get super offended when the mean motorcyclists "push in".

[–]enceladus7 19ポイント20ポイント  (72子コメント)

Lane splitting does more to make people hate bikers than any other act.

Can you elaborate on that. Like seriously what about it fills people with hate? That they get ahead of you?

Lane splitting is such a normal part of driving in my city, and it's such a non issue. It's just bikes moving up unused space? I don't think I've ever had a close call with a bike but I've had several with entitled car drivers.

[–]StetsonG 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

That they get ahead of you?

Probably. The stuff I see people do on the road to get one more car ahead is almost unbelievable. People put so much value on getting ahead just to end up next to each other again at the next traffic light.

[–]enceladus7 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

To me it's more of a 'those lucky bastards' feeling. I do tend to pull away quickly when driving but because it's fun and not necessarily to get ahead, in traffic I usually leave big gaps and whatnot. People who weave end up like 2 spots in front.

[–]Melvar_10 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

those lucky bastards

I feel this way all the time. I envy their filtering, and to make one less person miserable in traffic, I move out of the way.

[–]kryb 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And then you think about how it is for bikers in bad weather and their chances in case of accident, and remember that you're just fine in your car.

Both type of vehicle have their perk, that's just how it is.

[–]Melvar_10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True! Too bad there is no such thing as rain in SoCal :(

[–]dirtymonkey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you elaborate on that. Like seriously what about it fills people with hate? That they get ahead of you?

I spent many years driving in California. I think there are different breeds of people who hate lane splitters. Some are the ones that don't want you to get ahead of them for some bizarre selfish reason.

You've got the other folks who generally just dislike bikers to begin with, and them coming within inches of their car door / windshield feels like an invasion of their space.

I think you've also have old folks who don't like that bikes sort of just pop up into your blind spot, with loud exhaust popping. If seen folks get startled from it.

Then there are safety nuts and folks who are super outside their comfort zone because the bikes get really close. They don't want to be part of an accident, or worse someones death because they didn't expect to find a biker hidden between two cars.

I personally never had a problem with lane splitters, but I did witness a pretty scary series of events on the Grapvine in California. There was lots of traffic being the day after 4th of July. Occasionally a motorcycle or two would come passing through the sea of cars.

I'm watching some bikers come through and see one of them clip the passenger mirror of a girls car. The motorcycle wobbles, almost hits another car, but somehow gets back under control and just keeps moving along like he didn't just take out a rear view mirror.

To my horror, I notice the girl puts her car in park and starts getting out to go retrieve this mangled mirror. Several people scream at her to get back in her car before she get's run over.

Anyway, there are a lot of bad drivers on the road, and people with no sense about them. I totally see the benefits in lane splitting, but I can also understand why some places don't allow it. California has the kind of traffic where the benefits clearly outweigh the risk / anger towards lane splitting.

[–]stongerlongerdonger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, some people people go absolutley insane, try to run you over, get out their car with a tire iron on a motorway slip road, follow you home.

One guy tried to have a scrap with the Military Provost Guard Staff when I turned into camp and they wouldn't let him follow me in to 'give me a hiding '

[–]GUE57 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's because they are dumb and see driving like a queue at the bank or whatever, and you are pushing in.

How congestion works and the fact that you are not going to the same place so it is irrelevant, eludes them.

[–]humanystaIt's the car brand's fault! 2ポイント3ポイント  (59子コメント)

I hate it because they don't maintain safe distance between themselves and the cars. Lane splitting should be called an attempt at a sideswipe.

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[–]enceladus7 0ポイント1ポイント  (57子コメント)

I don't see it. Sure in small roads maybe, but most roads have ample space to fit bikes between cars with plenty of room and when cars are stationary or moving slowly so long as the biker isn't flying there's pretty much no risk.

[–]humanystaIt's the car brand's fault! 0ポイント1ポイント  (56子コメント)

In this video it is super obvious. The way he sits behind those cars? Like he is annoyed they don't make room for his royal ass? He almost squeezes through!

[–]enceladus7 0ポイント1ポイント  (55子コメント)

I'd assume he's annoyed mostly because the car on the right is leaving more that a cars worth of space in front of them to block him intentionally.

I don't see how him sitting there is a problem.

And of course he's going to see if he can fit, why wait if you don't have to?

[–]humanystaIt's the car brand's fault! 0ポイント1ポイント  (54子コメント)

You don't have to be glued to the bumper of the car in front of you. If the biker is so keen on filtering he should've gone around the car.

Him sitting there is not a problem. I never said that. I only pointed out he is acting like a spoiled princess who owns the road.

Common courtesy? Not risking sideswiping the car just because he is impatient. That's all the biker is - impatient. If he waited in line just like everybody else there would be no issue.

[–]enceladus7 1ポイント2ポイント  (53子コメント)

You don't have to be glued to the bumper of the car in front of you.

Well if you're unsure if you'll fit, you're going to have to get closer to see no?

If the biker is so keen on filtering he should've gone around the car.

Filtering is legal between cars, only in a small amount of places and on certain roads is it legal on the outsides because you're then blocking oncoming or pedestrian traffic.

Common courtesy? Not risking sideswiping the car just because he is impatient.

Oh please you're making this a bigger deal than it actually is.

There's also more to it than patience, being in this subreddit I'm sure you know well enough how common it is being rear-ended. No biker wants to be that poor soul who gets pinned between two cars and has his guts fall out when unpinned.

[–]humanystaIt's the car brand's fault! 0ポイント1ポイント  (52子コメント)

By driving a bike he is agreeing to the risk of being rear-ended. That is a known danger. He has no right to prevent it by risking sideswiping other cars.

[–]enceladus7 1ポイント2ポイント  (51子コメント)

By driving a bike he is agreeing to the risk of being rear-ended.

And by wearing a short skirt a girl would be agreeing to the risk of being targeted by a predator. But you're not going to blame her for being attacked.

He has no right to prevent it by risking sideswiping other cars.

He's legally within his right to do exactly that. If sideswiping was such a big issue, you'd think it would be otherwise?

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[–]DarthSnoopyFish 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate them because they are getting to their destination faster than I am :(

[–]naamah- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't because they are also covered in hot gear and have no A/C

[–]CryHav0c 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Lane splitting does more to make people hate bikers than any other act.

Ah yes, because something that has no impact on you and does not affect your person is just cause to hate someone.

Have you ever stopped to examine the logic behind that?

[–]changlorious_basterd 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'll say that I do hate lane-splitters but this comes from the fact that where I'm from no one does it safely. "Lane-splitting" in the DC area is mostly black guys on Kawasaki Ninjas blazing down the middle of the lane at 100 mph, scaring the everloving shit out of everyone they pass.

I think this is why a lot of people are against lane-splitting. I rarely, if ever, see it done safely.

[–]CryHav0c 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's not lame splitting, that's idiocy.

I still fail to see why you'd use that to justify hating bikers who are doing it safely and cautiously (I know you're not op). It's just baffling to me that you can hate someone who has no effect on your life.

[–]changlorious_basterd -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

What I'm saying is that I rarely, if ever, see it actually done safely. And when it's not done safely, it has a very real effect on my life.

[–]CryHav0c -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is almost 0 chance a motorcyclist could seriously injure you, let alone kill you, especially from lane splitting. They are about a thousand times less dangerous to you and your person than someone in a car doing something stupid. Do you rage at them too? Do you threaten them? Attempt to assault them with your vehicle? Do you hate all other motorists because of the actions of the idiots?

Or is it just a simple matter of the people on motorcycles are extremely vulnerable and thus less easy to face consequences when you bully them?

[–]Fatmanhobo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should I sit in traffic for 4 hours because an idiot decided that 'filtering' at 120mph was safe and spread his brains down the tarmac?

Yes it can affect us when its done stupidly.

[–]CryHav0c 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's completely idiotic and uncalled for.

Still typically isn't a threat to your life like someone acting the fool in a car is, yet you don't ever see the rage against "all motorists" because of it.

[–]changlorious_basterd -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Jesus christ, calm the fuck down. I'm not against safe lane splitting. I am very much against unsafe lane splitting and where i'm from, pretty much all lane splitting is done unsafely. And when you are flying through traffic between lanes, you could very easily cause an accident which would have a very real and very bad effect on my life.

And you acting like an unbelievable asshole about lane splitting only makes me hate it even more. I'd call you a typical asshole motorcyclist but that's just an oxymoron at this point.

[–]CryHav0c 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus christ, calm the fuck down.

And you acting like an unbelievable asshole about lane splitting only makes me hate it even more.

Lol. Follow your own advice. I mean, it's not like I pointed out that it was idiocy in my very first response to you.

That's not lame splitting, that's idiocy.

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I'd call you a typical asshole motorcyclist but that's just an oxymoron at this point.

I've never gotten on a motorcycle in my adult life. Mostly because idiots behind the wheel that make it an inherently dangerous place to be. Quite the assumption on your part.

[–]changlorious_basterd -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quite the assumption on your part.

Why else would you be crapping your pants about this?

[–]CryHav0c -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why else would you be crapping your pants about this?

Because I don't have to be a motorcycle rider to see how ridiculous unwarranted hate is? Because rage at other living things on the road is inherently dangerous for everyone involved? Because the unending contempt for all two wheeled vehicles on this subreddit is palpable and tiresome?

[–]GUE57 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I filter past people, hazards and distracted drivers are on my mind.

I assure you, when I filter one thing that is not on my mind, is your hurt fucking feelings about the matter.

[–]AtomicRocketShoes 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Filtering isn't legal in my state (most of US as well), but I would be OK with filtering if the cyclist can maintain a 3ft gap between itself and any cars. Similarly in my state cars can pass cyclists if they allow 3ft. As a cyclist though I can tell you most drivers around here don't respect the 3ft law. Cars fly by inches from my handlebars.

[–]TotalCuntofaHuman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this is one reason why I quit cycling on most public roads, even the rare ones with a bike lane (that always ends up suddenly ending, and thrusting you into traffic).

I stick to the mountains now hehe

[–]immoralatheist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three feet from either car still effectively disallows lane splitting. That would require about a 8-9 foot gap between cars (3 on either side, then 2-3 of the actual bike). That doesn't really exist.

[–]BPKrieg -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope, i "hate" them for the excessive noise pollution they cause.

[–]skeletor3000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lane splitters specifically? Because that's what we're talking about here.