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discussionFlat Earth (self.evolution)

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There are people who still believe the earth is flat despite proof. However, I don't see huge forums, videos, debates, or organizations that fight for the Flat Earth idea.

It's a done deal. The earth isn't flat and we can prove it in many ways.

Evolution isn't like this. It hasn't risen to that level. The proof of that are the videos, organizations, forums, and recorded college debates between evolution proponents, and those against evolution.

Regardless of which position you take in the evolution is right or wrong debate I don't think we should marginalize people. We shouldn't stereotype them as stupid, Christian Fundamentalist, uneducated, Godless Heathen, atheist, etc.

Both sides make good points.

However, I find that when I take a position against evolution I get attacked hard. I'm stupid, uneducated, a Christian Loon, etc.

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[–]astroNerfEvolution Enthusiast 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, I don't see huge forums, videos, debates, or organizations that fight for the Flat Earth idea.

These people do exist. Here's one prolific youtuber who does a lot of videos promoting a flat Earth. This video in particular. It surprises me how many commenters he gets applauding him. Some are trolls, but many aren't.

It's a done deal. The earth isn't flat and we can prove it in many ways.

Evolution isn't like this. It hasn't risen to that level.

Actually, it has. It was biologist Stephen Jay Gould who once remarked,

In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

In this sense, evolution is a fact. It would be perverse, given the overwhelming evidence, to think that the general picture of populations changing over time in response to selection pressure etc, is wrong.

The proof of that are the videos, organizations, forums, and recorded college debates between evolution proponents, and those against evolution.

In science, we don't talk about proof. Proof is something encountered in math, or logic, or on a liquor bottle.

No, the support is in the evidence that the scientific community has gathered, as well as the testable predictions that the theory makes which are confirmed on a daily basis through the use of practical applications, including the development of drugs and solutions to ecological problems. Evolution is the foundation of modern biology.

I find that when I take a position against evolution I get attacked hard. I'm stupid, uneducated, a Christian Loon, etc.

Overwhelmingly, those who argue against evolution do not understand it. There are many common misconceptions about modern biology that make it hard for laypersons to wrap their head about evolution.

Realise that in a Gallup poll, some 40% of Americans hold the view that humans were created more or less in their current form within the last 10,000 years. Forty percent. A further 30% believe that evolution is guided in some way by a supernatural entity, despite any credible evidence to support this idea. This leaves 1 in 5 Americans who accept evolution as described by scientists. So, statistically, there's an 80% chance that any given American does not accept evolution in part due to religious beliefs.

I doubt you're stupid, but if you are ignorant, the good thing is that ignorance can be corrected. If you're willing, check out the short videos in the recommended viewing links, or peruse the book titles in the recommended reading links. If you still have questions about the evidence in support of evolution, folks here are more than happy to discuss things. Generally, however, folks here aren't interested in arguing about the evidence for evolution. If you want to argue, there's /r/DebateEvolution.

[–]0hypothesis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alas both sides do not make good points. Evolution is a fact and it has over 150 years of solid science and evidence backing it. It's a fascinating area of study. If you want to keep the religion out of it as you suggest and just talk about the science, happy to supply this.

[–]Smeghead333 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evolution isn't like this. It hasn't risen to that level.

That is false.

[–]emZi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evolution is as true as the earth isn't flat, and we have plenty of proof for it.

[–]blacksheep998 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, I find that when I take a position against evolution I get attacked hard. I'm stupid, uneducated, a Christian Loon, etc.

That's probably because the VAST majority of people who argue against evolution are those who don't understand it because they're ignorant of the facts, often willfully so.

The remainder are those who are getting paid to push their agenda, like the professional liars from the discovery institute.

[–]mooncrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you argue against evolution as fact and for origin stories based on biblical teachings, you are basing your ideas not on centuries of scientific research, but instead upon received stories passed down from bronze-age farmers and herders. No offense, but they were simply making stuff up, writing down an origin idea that made a certain amount of sense if you didn't look too closely at the world, and which satisfied the political needs of a social order that wanted a omnipotent deity at the top of their patriarchal hierarchy.

[–]CapercaillieVertebrate Zoology 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both sides make good points.

Nope. There are two sides to every controversy, but to say that both make "good points" is a false equivalency. There is no objective evidence for creationism. None.

[–]BioRicky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both sides make good points.

Nope, just no. Scientifically, this debate has been settled 100-150 years ago and it continues to be a settled topic for all of these decades.

Socially, it may still be controversial because of lots of different reasons, religion being a big part of it, but the scientific community doesn't divide on two "sides" on this issue.

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