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Discussion on Sky Sports' reliability (self.reddevils)

D1794Viva Ronaldo[M] が 投稿

Currently they're marked at Tier 3, previously Tier 2, and transfer rumours from them get removed.

I do think, however, that 'Sky Sources' seem to differ in reliability, sometimes Sky break stories without mentioning their 'sources' at all. They do have credibility, in my mind. And its kinda shitty removing big news.

What do we all think? Should Sky remain as Tier 3, and rumours from them get removed? Should only 'Sky Sources' get removed?

For example:

No Sky Sources

Sky Sources

'Sources' dominates their posts. Most of what they report is from 'Sources'. Our problem is, their 'sources' could be either Balague, or Di Marzio.

Thoughts?

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[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S,M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

Poll on back to Tier 2, vs keeping at Tier 3 and removing stories.

If you have any other suggestions just let me know...

http://www.strawpoll.me/10712627

[–]axftw 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sky Sources shouldn't have a tier.

Just State the reporter in this case Andy Burton http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10497605/real-madrid-out-of-race-to-sign-paul-pogba-8211-sky-sources

Andy Burton is now our guy from Sky Sports due to his connection with Mourinho. Andy Burton has his sources which become "Sky Sports" Sources.

Gullieme Balague has sources he reports to sky. SS report them as "Sky Sports" sources.

Sky Sources aren't a single entity. Base it on the reporter/Journalist.

[–]tocitusMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree with this! If the reporter is reliable (such as Burton) then it should be allowed, otherwise it goes into the transfer rumour thread.

[–]8_Pixels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like this Idea. Very good.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I agree isnt Burtons link Mendes not Jose? I know he knows Jose but these articles hes writing are quite clearly coming from Mendes.

Edit: I wrote this a few weeks back which is relevant to your point

I mentioned the other day that Sky seem to be moving away from James Cooper doing United news and more to Andy Burton

Cooper hates reporting on rumors and usually only writes about what hes told from official sources at the club, meaning Sky ended up writing a lot about things officials were telling him which were trying to keep the peace ("No deal to sign Jose", "LVG not leaving" ect ect)

I also mentioned it before but Burton is another journalist who Mendes seems to like to use to push stuff into the media, hence the story on Monday about Mata and Blind not being in Joses plans. This part of the article is probably the most telling point that its Mendes talking to Sky

However, Sky sources have learned there are no plans in place to make any such appointment at Manchester United, with Mourinho and Woodward set to conduct the club's business in the transfer market together - with the considerable support of Mendes behind them.

Sounds like the club thinks that if Jose works closely with Ed in sorting transfers out that they can do some good work this summer and with Mendes working close to them they probably think Mendes will help them move some big names.

[–]TomKellJose Mourinho 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly I think Sky should just be moved to Tier 2.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with you. I think their flaw is that they feel the need to have 'Breaking' news like 20 times an hour.

This results in them trying to push so many minor details about a transfer and transform them into different news stories.

As I said in another thread, they got Zlatan's move spot on. However, they also tried to add in the details of when it would be finalized, when his medical would be...etc. And fucked it up, tarnishing their reliability.

[–]parton9020 times, 20 times, Man United 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They seem to have got particularly bad this season for whatever reason, maybe they're being pushed a bit to have more "breaking" like you previously mentioned.

[–]manutd19De Gea 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both links you posted are by Andy Burton who seems to be quite close to the club.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

True, however, if he references 'sources', he's been given the information from someone else.

If there's no mention of sources, surely that entails that Sky have been given the information directly.

[–]quimbies_in_camo_PJs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where'd sky get the info then? Sky sources. I think it's purely they when they use "sky sources" in their articles, they've usually been fed info for an agenda or their going for some clicks, versus whatever source they have providing them with actually newsworthy info

[–]leonardowmd 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Like the other person said, Andy Burton has probably got a close if not direct line to Mourinho and/or Mendes or someone similar. There's no doubt about it, he's basically Mendes mouthpiece on ssn. So it should be taken a bit more serious imo, simply for the access he has.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10497605/real-madrid-out-of-race-to-sign-paul-pogba-8211-sky-sources

This is by Burton, but info from 'sources'. Would you consider this Tier 2 reliable?

[–]leonardowmd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anything from him is basically from the horses mouth. He basically says what Mendes/Mourinho are thinking/doing. From Ibra only joining if LVG left to when Jose would sign.

[–]TheFanboyDreams 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh man! Sorry for posting the Sky thread, still fairly new to this sub and rarely post. My bad!

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No worries man, just trying to sort out whether or not it should be kept first.

[–]IwanJones10Ander Herrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tier 2 or 3 and keep

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should be tier 2 imo. They just really messed up the van gaal/Jose thing. But they have been fairly reliable.

[–]ballsywallsyBerbalove 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they have any reports that are sourced from reliable outlets, we could assess them and label the posts accordingly. Till then I would very much prefer it to be classified as Tier 3. They have become far too click-baity of late and have more often than not acted like an aggregator.

I vote remain.

[–]ibaRRaVzLaVenezuela's Nº1 United Fan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always thought they were pretty reliable. Apart from the '48 hour' fiasco, their sources are pretty much spot on and they've gained alot of hate for whatever reason that escapes my grasp. The only thing I recall from them not being true was that Benatia flight to Manchester one or two summers ago. Apart from that, they always get things right. IMHO I would place them on Tier 2, and L'Equipe on Tier 3, I don't get why people say they're so reliable, they often talk shit and they've only broke one or two stories that were true, it's unreal that they're Tier 1 and Sky are Tier 3, the latter has gotten way more accurate reports.

[–]Launch_a_poo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sky have went downhill a bit but are still good, I'd say keep them where they are. I still get excited when Sky report something more so than tier 2 or 3 journalists depsite the drop

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sky Sources are bullshit. They're usually just something they've seen on twitter reported by someone else.

[–]mufcirclejerk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yup. They're spectacularly unreliable.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The other thing they do is interview someone like Ballague on TV and then report on their website under the guise of "Sky Sources".

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have noticed they do that.

[–]mufcirclejerk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whatever they do it'll be posted here 5-6 times with varying degrees of editorialisation.

[–]8_Pixels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say T2 personally. They're wrong sometimes of course, so is everyone but I'd say they're right more than they're wrong.

My biggest problem with them lately is all their news and transfer rumours feel very click bait-y and it's very off putting. Or else their info is good but the reporting is something you'd see in a school newspaper. Eg. 48 hours or the 48 after that.

[–]Shifter99Carrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Return to Tier 2. Highlight that they have frequent ups and downs where ever you can.

[–]eddytheblackHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think anything by Andy Burton is something that should be considered in Tier 2.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even this?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10497605/real-madrid-out-of-race-to-sign-paul-pogba-8211-sky-sources

Written by Burton, but the story is from 'sources'.

[–]eddytheblackHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say so.

It's just that Sky are so ambiguous when they mention 'sources' we really don't know what that means. Even if they don't mention 'sources' I don't think it makes the report more/less credible.

Hard to say really. What I will say is that Andy Burton was present throughout the entire ordeal when Jose was about to be appointed. I assume that he maybe has some decent ties to Mourinho's camp in some way.

[–]jmn_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think they are toxic, down there with The Mirror and The Daily Mail. Wild stabs in the dark, using sources such as "a ficticious scenario we talked about with a mate in the pub last night."

Tier 3 for me.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think they're that bad. I'd put them at about 3/4 reliable. They're right more than they're wrong, IMO.

[–]itsandercontrolJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still think Sky has somewhat reliability and that Balague is pulling them down. I don't think they should be on Tier 3 just yet.

Also, their reliability decreases when every tweet and article starts with BREAKING.

[–]paul155 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are a 24 hour news channel so they have to fill it with nonsense. The breaking news is to keep those sitting on dole happy that something is going on in the real world. I think they get a bad rep.

[–]d0mth0ma5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they say "Sky Sources" then it's rumours, if they don't then it's (in my mind) much more likely to happen. So i'd agree with the tier split.

[–]Crusty_Gammon_Flaps 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should probably be back at Tier 2 but a lot of the time they do just release every possible outcome as a breaking news tweet.

[–]idratherwalkalone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surely it depends on who has written the post?

[–]Yo_where_r_my_ticket -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why not use your own intelligence and question who has written the piece plus the perspective it is from and what it is trying to achieve and make up your own mind rather than relying on 'tiers'

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because dependant on what Tier you're linking it might get removed by the mods.

[–]Shifter99Carrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't need to have one over the other, in fact having tiers aids in what you suggest.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We get enough abuse from people claiming things are unfair, and we run the subreddit based on what we want, rather than what the sub wants. Keeping Tiers, which are easily changed by talking with everyone (as we're doing now), keeps people from claiming we are being unfair.

If we keep this Pogba story, but remove others from Sky, and people PM us complaining cause the Pogba one got left up, they do have a right to be annoyed. With a list of what stays up and what doesn't, nobody can get pissed off.

[–]IngebrigtsenScholes -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, "Sky Sources" should be banned while not mentioning sources should be allowed

[–]sunny1993s -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely tier 2, they tend to be right more often than not